So that's everyone who plays eve then?

grind standings

However, most of us commenting here are NOT "casual" players, we're players who have build businesses over the years into full-time or near-full-time in-game careers. Just up and moving several FREIGHTERS full of materials to another constellation or region really isn't an option every month when Teams move and indexes (massively broken right now) change. That's a key point that you're not seeing: moving and setting up all over again takes time and money, and during that time we're not making new money: we're spending more of it.

Look at the bigger picture here: onesy-twosey isn't what most of us are discussing. Large businesses that are trying to stay afloat *is* what we're discussing.

Why are you grinding standings?

From a serious industry side, the only thing they effect is market fees.

You'll be refining at a POS, so no standings needed.

you still have to grind standings with the faction to put up a POS.

There are no standings required for putting up a POS, i think you didn't read the patch notes.

Foot in mouth. HOW DID I MISS THAT ONE!


A major pain in the arse removed. That said, it's still a pain in the arse chasing system cost index, and teams.

Not to mention the cost of running a large POS these days. 300-400 million isk for fuel per month.

OH and you have costs for running a job in the POS your already paying to fuel. This even used to be a modest income for a corp to charge some install and running fees to offset fuel costs.

A corp can't charge additional fees on top of what is being imposed now. That would take the advantage away from corp members.

You can take each individual point of the changes and put it in some kind of good light. Put it all together though... You have a system that is not friendly to the new industrialist, small/med industrialist, let alone those that spent great amounts of time researching BP's and doing capitol construction.

I had a specific niche in the market that was literally ripped out of the game. I was creating high quality BPOs, like 250/250 for shorter ones and 100/100 for anything else. People paid big money for these, so they could jump into the manufacturing business right away instead of starting with a 0/0 BPO. They would sell for 75m+ each. And don't even try to tell me that anything above 10ME or 20PE is a waste, or I will call you an ignoramus. Besides, I wasn't even the ones using them, the 250/250 just made them stand out in the market as high-quality. Someone else put it nicely - a signature. A signature of high quality product that has just been ripped out of the game.

Now my POS is offline, my office is closed, my 10 research labs have been sold, fuel sold, 4B worth of BPOs sold. Alt accounts cancelled. Training queues set to random stuff until i figure out what to do next. Next i'll probably unanchor and sell the rest of my structures.

my 10ME / 20TE look just like everyone elses now, for the same low-cost as everyone else now...

also i didn't say i was going anywhere... just yet..

and yes i did, but like i said, i just sold them for mad profit, not actually used them.

So rework your strategy and approach. You are basically upset because you can't make terrible blueprints look amazing to the uninformed. (careface)

OK, so they capped at ME 40, so it was quite literally a waste of time. They gained 0% for 60 levels of research. You could just have easily sold them at 40 explaining that they were the best they can possible be.

Wow you must have forgotten what its like to be new. The new player now has 0% chance of getting into the industry field with any expectations on success. They now have to either buy a POS (lets be honest, the cost of running a POS is way outside of the range of new players, most players get into industry so they can make enough isk to run a POS) or they now have to use station slots that are WAY over priced (have you looked at the quotes people have been given? 440mil+ to set up a ME job...new players are never going to pay that) so now the only players that can do industry are the ones already in possession of good BPOs.

Your feeble attempt to place this broken in a positive light Edsel that is called Crius is both disingenuous and misleading. There is NO ADVANTAGE whatsoever in having to move around to "chase lower fees" its a waste of time and effort as well as an extremely poorly thought out mechanic. The UI is possibly the worst in any game that I have ever played, IM sure they will fix it, but whoever green lit this should be fired, they have failed the community, CCP, and themselves, they should be ashamed! The teams idea, Wow! What drunken fool decided to put this into the game? must have been the idiot who designed the UI...

Overall this expansion will do ALOT more damage to the game than anything else. The prices of ships is going to go up costing the PvPers more and more isk. There will be, and already has started to happen, less and less miners out in high sec fueling everyone else's PvP fun (where do you think you get those ships and mods that you use?) which in turn will decrease the amount of PvP in high sec. The increased cost of ships and mods will eventually spread into Pve, FW and Nul sec, (you think things in nul sec are stagnant now wait until the prices of your Ishtar triples)

You cant destroy the foundation of the house and call it adding on a room, CCP you have failed the community and unfortunately it doesn't look like you care, you keep loosing subscriptions, the average concurrent users is WAY down, you keep loosing players and moves like this do not help bring faith back to the community that things are going to get better, both new and old players should be concerned about terrible moves like this that are perfect examples the short sided thought process that is killing our game.

I won't be selling ships/modules on my Trade toons until I can figure out what the recent changes mean for my entire 'mining to delivered ship' chain. It appears nullsec is going to get shook up which is good. It appears a lot of time I spent on skills and bp's was nullified without compensation... which I consider bad, very bad. I wasn't sitting on a bevy of legacy T2 BPs or in the well heeled company of a lax veteran org. Solo, I was earning money on things I mined, building from BPOs I'd paid for and paid both money and time to improve. The value I added with all that time and work appears to be gone. Poof.

Shifting over to ratting, missioning, or exploring would be the logical turn for someone like me but those have apparently been nerfed too; (specially since missioning reward used to be based largely on salvage and reprocessing for me and supposedly explorer loot has been nerfed as well... guess I'll have to see).

Right now I'm holding off on using the plex I'd been burning on 6 toons for the past year or so (effectively paying for 6 accounts) because I'm not really sure where this game is going or if I want to go there too. Trade alt profits used to pay for my pvp losses but trade can't do that for me anymore. I'm waiting to see if trade can even cover the manufacturing of my pvp ships - to see if I can break even anymore.

Guess half of me is very disappointed and half of me is like "right, so we adapt how?" And my third half is saying "Is it even worth adapting?"

lol, you have to love these "the end is nigh!" parts of posts. If you can't figure out how to make more isk than before the changes and see this as a positive change, then you clearly were terrible at industry. There's so many more opportunities to increase your profit margins i's unreal. I'm already up billions on my highsec industry chain compared with where I would have been under the old system, because I've take the time to work out how to capitalise on the changes. Sure, if all you ever did was stare at EVE IPH, and make whatever that told you, then you are going to lose out, but that's not a fault of the system, it's your fault for not knowing your trade.

Obligatory: Can I have your stuff?
Just drop those "useless" blueprints in a item contract and I'll give them a good home.


Seriously? Basically this all boils down to "I don't wanna change", right?
We can rebalance every ship under a thousand suns, but if CCP dares to change the industry clickfest...