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Xisco Brute	Posted - 2006.07.04 13:27:00 - [1] Just wandering does anyone know if its gonna be for rails or missiles as i got rubbish gunnery and dont know whether to train it up. Holey Moley, that was HUGE! Please resize your signature to be within 120 pixels high. Jacques' OK i will when i can be arsed......

CCP Hammer	Posted - 2006.07.04 13:30:00 - [2] Rails

Hugh Ruka	Posted - 2006.07.04 13:30:00 - [3] 1. it should be a gunboat 2. I would train cald bs to 4 at least :-) ------------------------------ if you want peace, prepare for war ... ------------------------------ Removed due to offensive content - Laqum I realy liked my signature. Oh well
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.07.04 13:33:00 - [4] Edited by: Sarmaul on 04/07/2006 13:33:03 Originally by: CCP Hammer Rails What about Minmatar - autos, arti or missile based? TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust - Suvetar, care to confirm these rumours about you being an unstoppable sex machine? LOL -Suvetar
Tiuwaz	Posted - 2006.07.04 13:34:00 - [5] Originally by: Sarmaul Edited by: Sarmaul on 04/07/2006 13:33:03 Originally by: CCP Hammer Rails What about Minmatar - autos, arti or missile based? Boobies + Targetpainter Originally by: Oveur This is not the conspiracy you are looking for.
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.07.04 13:36:00 - [6] Originally by: Tiuwaz Originally by: Sarmaul Edited by: Sarmaul on 04/07/2006 13:33:03 Originally by: CCP Hammer Rails What about Minmatar - autos, arti or missile based? Boobies + Targetpainter Now if I say I don't want boobies I'll sound *** :/ TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust - Suvetar, care to confirm these rumours about you being an unstoppable sex machine? LOL -Suvetar
elFarto	Posted - 2006.07.04 13:54:00 - [7] Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Tiuwaz Boobies + Targetpainter Now if I say I don't want boobies I'll sound * :/ Quoting Omgrawr: Originally by:** omgrawr.net * HuDDy waves Sarmaul > looo Sarmaul > come join the * miners Sarmaul > fine. warp out then Lea Grass > * ? Sarmaul > I don't know about you but I'm as bent as a right angled triangle Regards elFarto npc.elfarto.com > Ingame NPC database Mal: If anyone gets nosy, you know, justà shoot 'em. Zoe: Shoot 'em? Mal: Politely.
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.07.04 13:55:00 - [8] Originally by: elFarto Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Tiuwaz Boobies + Targetpainter Now if I say I don't want boobies I'll sound * :/ Quoting Omgrawr: Originally by:** omgrawr.net * HuDDy waves Sarmaul > looo Sarmaul > come join the * miners Sarmaul > fine. warp out then Lea Grass > * ? Sarmaul > I don't know about you but I'm as bent as a right angled triangle Regards elFarto motherf... TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust - Suvetar, care to confirm these rumours about you being an unstoppable sex machine? LOL -Suvetar
wierchas noobhunter	Posted - 2006.07.04 13:55:00 - [9] Originally by: elFarto Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Tiuwaz Boobies + Targetpainter Now if I say I don't want boobies I'll sound * :/ Quoting Omgrawr: Originally by:** omgrawr.net * HuDDy waves Sarmaul > looo Sarmaul > come join the * miners Sarmaul > fine. warp out then Lea Grass > * ? Sarmaul > I don't know about you but I'm as bent as a right angled triangle Regards elFarto join col ! now
Tiuwaz	Posted - 2006.07.04 13:55:00 - [10] Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Tiuwaz Originally by: Sarmaul Edited by: Sarmaul on 04/07/2006 13:33:03 Originally by: CCP Hammer Rails What about Minmatar - autos, arti or missile based? Boobies + Targetpainter Now if I say I don't want boobies I'll sound * :/ I love it when a plan comes together, Yarrr! Originally by:** Oveur This is not the conspiracy you are looking for.

elFarto	Posted - 2006.07.04 13:56:00 - [11] Originally by: Sarmaul motherf... Glad I could help Regards elFarto npc.elfarto.com > Ingame NPC database Mal: If anyone gets nosy, you know, justà shoot 'em. Zoe: Shoot 'em? Mal: Politely.
Alazais	Posted - 2006.07.04 14:07:00 - [12] According to the data i read which could be entirely incorrect or out of date, the Minnie tier 3 has 8 turret slots.
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.07.04 14:08:00 - [13] Originally by: Alazais According to the data i read which could be entirely incorrect or out of date, the Minnie tier 3 has 8 turret slots. Yep I've seen the data, but it's been there since I can remember :/ TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust - Suvetar, care to confirm these rumours about you being an unstoppable sex machine? LOL -Suvetar
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.07.04 18:22:00 - [14] Edited by: Nikolai Nuvolari on 04/07/2006 18:22:49 Originally by: CCP Hammer Rails Hooray for one-word dev posts! Originally by: Tiuwaz Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: CCP Hammer Rails What about Minmatar - autos, arti or missile based? Boobies + Targetpainter If Minmatar get a booby-based ship, I demand a Caldari chin-based ship. Chin attack incoming! EDIT: Damn formatting. -------- Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Tiuwaz	Posted - 2006.07.04 18:41:00 - [15] boobies > chins solution? nerf boobies Originally by: Oveur This is not the conspiracy you are looking for.
Samirol	Posted - 2006.07.04 19:05:00 - [16] /me looks at the thorax I already know what the gallente are going to get Originally by: Tekka Originally by: ISD "Can I have your stuff?" isn't constructive neither is 95% of the internet
Shinnen	Posted - 2006.07.04 19:18:00 - [17] Originally by: Samirol /me looks at the thorax I already know what the gallente are going to get an exequror version of a BS ? :D yay! Shinnen ------------------ I support macros, and make drugs legal in gallente space
Kaylana Syi	Posted - 2006.07.04 19:38:00 - [18] Hell... I might be wrong but I think its going to be a Celestis Sr. Team Minmatar
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.07.04 19:42:00 - [19] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 04/07/2006 19:42:34 Originally by: CCP Hammer Rails Finalized the slot layout yet? Ah, you have, but want to keep it a surprise. Ok. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
DeadRow	Posted - 2006.07.04 19:44:00 - [20] Originally by: Shinnen Originally by: Samirol /me looks at the thorax I already know what the gallente are going to get an exequror version of a BS ? :D yay! Dont give them Ideas! CCP nerfed my sig: For the cool sig see here

Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.07.04 19:48:00 - [21] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: CCP Hammer Rails Finalized the slot layout yet? I swear to god the one and only vital thing about this ship is EIGHT TURRET SLOTS! -------- Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.07.04 19:56:00 - [22] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 04/07/2006 19:57:16 Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari I swear to god the one and only vital thing about this ship is EIGHT TURRET SLOTS! I dont know, the raven only has 6 launchers and 2 turrets. Maybe this one will be the inverse of that...hopefully not though. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
cflux	Posted - 2006.07.04 20:06:00 - [23] Originally by: CCP Hammer Rails Thank you! Best confirmation to rumors I have heard in ages. Finally we get an instant damage BS for caldari. Can I have your babies? -- Guns? Where we are going, we don't need no guns.
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.07.04 20:11:00 - [24] Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: CCP Hammer Rails Finalized the slot layout yet? I swear to god the one and only vital thing about this ship is EIGHT TURRET SLOTS! Somehow I Doubt That
Tido Maliyu	Posted - 2006.07.04 20:14:00 - [25] Originally by: cflux Originally by: CCP Hammer Rails Thank you! Best confirmation to rumors I have heard in ages. Finally we get an instant damage BS for caldari. Can I have your babies? FFS now i have to train up my hybrid skills... AAARRRGGHHH!!! Originally by: Raem Civrie Minmatar comes from the icelandic term "minni mßttar", which means underdog (or in the context of EVE, "lesser people").
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.07.04 20:48:00 - [26] Originally by: Tido Maliyu FFS now i have to train up my hybrid skills... AAARRRGGHHH!!! You were expecting Raven 2, eh? --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.07.04 20:50:00 - [27] It's been dev confirmed as a railboat for months TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust - Suvetar, care to confirm these rumours about you being an unstoppable sex machine? LOL -Suvetar
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.07.04 21:29:00 - [28] Originally by: Sarmaul It's been dev confirmed as a railboat for months Any info on the minnie one? Will it have a split weapon system with strange bonuses and errors in the description? Will it have more shield than armor despite being best at armor tanking? Then its truly Minmatar. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.07.04 21:39:00 - [29] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 04/07/2006 21:39:50 Originally by: Sarmaul no idea - itemdb currently says 8/6/6, 8 turrets and a single -10% bonus (which everyone hopes will be rate of fire, although it could be a resistance bonus). I kind of feel resistance would suit the caldari better... projectiles need rof bonuses to be scary. Minnie already have good snipers, so maybe this one will be even better than AC Tempest for close combat. +10% rof would be pretty damn good... --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Bob Niac	Posted - 2006.07.04 22:43:00 - [30] /me wonders if its a HYBRID bonus... not a rail like most ppl say

Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.07.05 00:17:00 - [31] Originally by: Bob Niac /me wonders if its a HYBRID bonus... not a rail like most ppl say Huh? Ships haven't had separate rail/blaster bonuses for YEARS...I don't think anybody's suggested that it'll have exclusively rail bonuses. -------- Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.07.05 08:23:00 - [32] Originally by: Bob Niac /me wonders if its a HYBRID bonus... not a rail like most ppl say If it's a Caldari railship, it will have a 50% optimal range bonus and 25% shield resistance bonus, just like every other T1 caldari railship. Yes you can use blasters on it, but you'll end up with poor damage and tracking compared to the mega. TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust - Suvetar, care to confirm these rumours about you being an unstoppable sex machine? LOL -Suvetar
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.07.05 08:31:00 - [33] Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari I swear to god the one and only vital thing about this ship is EIGHT TURRET SLOTS! Somehow I Doubt That I don't really care what you doubt. The Tier 3 battleships are apparently going to be specifically designed to be highly specialized, whereas those ships aren't. What you care about doesn't really matter. I just don't give credence to the idea that the least turret specialised race in eve will be given a ship with 8 turret hardpoints, despite having no other ship that has a full rack. Traditionally, only Amarr ships have full racks of turrets (with occaisional gallente ships too). I just can't see them giving a caldari ship more turrets than the megathron.
Erik Pathfinder	Posted - 2006.07.05 08:33:00 - [34] No finer time to break tradition for the sake of symmetry then... ---------------
vyperpit	Posted - 2006.07.05 08:41:00 - [35] Originally by: Sarmaul no idea - itemdb currently says 8/6/6, 8 turrets and a single -10% bonus (which everyone hopes will be rate of fire, although it could be a resistance bonus). 8 turret and 10% ROF, yeh right a BS that gets more than 50% more dps than a blasterthron with all the advantages of AC and thats assuming its got zero drone bay, somehow i think ur gona have to do a lot of hoping for that
The Wizz117	Posted - 2006.07.05 08:43:00 - [36] Edited by: The Wizz117 on 05/07/2006 08:44:50 the tier 3 caldari bs should be specialized on shield tanking. we olrady got a high damage ship: the raven the moa is a shield tanking ship to with some railguns to do damage. but the caracal still outdamages the moa. this way it should also be with battle ships. a big fat shield tank with liddle railguns. if its a ship with alot of railguns and it can outdamage a raven evry one will fly that ship, not only caldari pilots but also from other races. (gallante mostly) since there are now olrady people whining that there are to many ravens, just wait and see all the new caldari tier 3 bs's ------------------------------------------- That ccp created a universe doesen't mean they'r gods
vyperpit	Posted - 2006.07.05 08:49:00 - [37] i hope you get a cap bonous rather than a resistance bonous, or change the dam apocs useless cap bonous, for pvp its a total wast!!!!!!!!!
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.07.05 08:51:00 - [38] Originally by: vyperpit i hope you get a cap bonous rather than a resistance bonous, or change the dam apocs useless cap bonous, for pvp its a total wast!!!!!!!!! OMG NOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry, what were you saying?
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.07.05 08:56:00 - [39] Originally by: HippoKing I just can't see them giving a caldari ship more turrets than the megathron. According to the devs, the Tier 3 battleships are supposed to be more specialized. According to the devs, the Roc is a railship. If it's a specialized railship, it makes sense to have a full rack of rails. Merlin, Moa, and Ferox AREN'T specifically specialized as railships. -------- Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.07.05 08:57:00 - [40] There are arguments all around, but I'm standing by my opinion that I severely doubt it will have 8 turrets.

Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.07.05 08:58:00 - [41] Originally by: The Wizz117 Edited by: The Wizz117 on 05/07/2006 08:46:45 Edited by: The Wizz117 on 05/07/2006 08:44:50 the tier 3 caldari bs should be specialized on shield tanking. we olrady got a high damage ship: the raven the moa is a shield tanking ship to with some railguns to do damage. but the caracal still outdamages the moa. this way it should also be with battle ships. a big fat shield tank with liddle railguns. if its a ship with alot of railguns and it can outdamage a raven evry one will fly that ship, not only caldari pilots but also from other races. (gallante mostly) since there are now olrady people whining that there are to many ravens, just wait and see all the new caldari tier 3 bs's i think that my option is so obviously the right one, and that ccp is just not looking further, like a kid who set his mind to 1 piece of toy. and becouse they like olrady announced it. (wich is just dumb they let all the other ships being discussed on the forums exept caldari tier 3) I think you are ignoring lots of stuff here. Even with a good railboat, you would need to have high turret skills to make it really effective. It would not be able to pick damage type, so Raven and its missiles will still be one of the best mission runners. Gallente players will have little reason to fly it since they already have the uber damage megathron and the Dominix with drone bonuses. No reason at all to jump into the caldari battleship, except maybe if its a really good sniper. But I think the minmatar ships might be better at alpha strikes anyway. There WILL be a role for the third tier caldari battleship and it will NOT replace the raven. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
James Lyrus	Posted - 2006.07.05 09:11:00 - [42] Originally by: HippoKing There are arguments all around, but I'm standing by my opinion that I severely doubt it will have 8 turrets. I would agree. No caldari ship has a full rack of turrets. Not even the destroyer. Personally I'd be happy with a 6/4 turrets/missiles layout, and 8 highslots (Someone mentioned that the raven has 6/2, its not quite, technically you can fit 4 turrets on your raven if you really want to) - for long range, 6 turrets + cruise missiles (or javelin torps) would suffice. Although a decent sensor suite (locking range) and dronebay (ha, as if) would be cool too. I'd also be more than happy with +10% optimal, and +5% shield resists. Whist, as a caldari pilot, I'd enjoy flying a ship that was OMG uber, which could both out tank and out gank a megathron, I'm not convinced that it's necessary. The Merlin/Moa/Ferox model of combined arms I think would do quite nicely. That said, the biggest grumble about split slot layouts is that weapon bonuses don't apply to all of them (especially the 'phoon). So personally I'd like to see some minor missile bonus. Missile precision, explosion velocity or missile velocity for example.
The Wizz117	Posted - 2006.07.05 09:25:00 - [43] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: The Wizz117 Edited by: The Wizz117 on 05/07/2006 08:46:45 Edited by: The Wizz117 on 05/07/2006 08:44:50 the tier 3 caldari bs should be specialized on shield tanking. we olrady got a high damage ship: the raven the moa is a shield tanking ship to with some railguns to do damage. but the caracal still outdamages the moa. this way it should also be with battle ships. a big fat shield tank with liddle railguns. if its a ship with alot of railguns and it can outdamage a raven evry one will fly that ship, not only caldari pilots but also from other races. (gallante mostly) since there are now olrady people whining that there are to many ravens, just wait and see all the new caldari tier 3 bs's i think that my option is so obviously the right one, and that ccp is just not looking further, like a kid who set his mind to 1 piece of toy. and becouse they like olrady announced it. (wich is just dumb they let all the other ships being discussed on the forums exept caldari tier 3) I think you are ignoring lots of stuff here. Even with a good railboat, you would need to have high turret skills to make it really effective. It would not be able to pick damage type, so Raven and its missiles will still be one of the best mission runners. Gallente players will have little reason to fly it since they already have the uber damage megathron and the Dominix with drone bonuses. No reason at all to jump into the caldari battleship, except maybe if its a really good sniper. But I think the minmatar ships might be better at alpha strikes anyway. There WILL be a role for the third tier caldari battleship and it will NOT replace the raven. how aboud a full rack of turrets med slots full of EW maybe some cap stuff and lowslots a medium armor tank. THE ultimate pvp turret ship ------------------------------------------- That ccp created a universe doesen't mean they'r gods
madaluap	Posted - 2006.07.05 09:27:00 - [44] Edited by: madaluap on 05/07/2006 09:29:29 Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: CCP Hammer Rails Finalized the slot layout yet? I swear to god the one and only vital thing about this ship is EIGHT TURRET SLOTS! Somehow I Doubt That I don't really care what you doubt. The Tier 3 battleships are apparently going to be specifically designed to be highly specialized, whereas those ships aren't. Yep 8 turret slots and 8000 pg and the lows filled with rcu 2, that will teach them caldari stab***s Originally by:** vyperpit i hope you get a cap bonous rather than a resistance bonous, or change the dam apocs useless cap bonous, for pvp its a total wast!!!!!!!!! ONOES!11!1 the sky its falling...go to the 40 page ammar whine thread please... _________________________________________________
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.07.05 09:41:00 - [45] Originally by: The Wizz117 how aboud a full rack of turrets med slots full of EW maybe some cap stuff and lowslots a medium armor tank. THE ultimate pvp turret ship You can do this with a Raven and missiles too. So the only thing changing is that you use rails instead of missiles to do your damage. You give up the possibility to change damage type for the advantage of doing the damage instantly. Also you give up all the other advantages of missiles, like no need for tracking, always hit for same damage etc. I think maybe the new Caldari BS will have 6 turrets, 2 launchers, 7 medium slots and 4 low slots. Sounds like a slightly improved pvp ship over the Raven if thats the case, but when you compare it to the other races, it will hopefully not be THE ship to use... --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Forsch	Posted - 2006.07.05 10:48:00 - [46] Originally by: Sarmaul no idea - itemdb currently says 8/6/6, 8 turrets and a single -10% bonus (which everyone hopes will be rate of fire, although it could be a resistance bonus). -10% per level? That's most certainly 10% cap use reduction for large projectile turrets! Forsch Defender of the empire More love for side factions!
Rexy	Posted - 2006.07.05 10:56:00 - [47] i'd say it's pretty certain that you wont get a 10% rof bonus
Wolverine PL	Posted - 2006.07.05 10:57:00 - [48] Originally by: Samirol /me looks at the thorax I already know what the gallente are going to get And what its that? If its that crappy celestis size BS then no point for me training BS to lvl5. We all know HOW CRAPPy is celestis, and for sure battleship wont be better.
bundy bear	Posted - 2006.07.05 15:02:00 - [49] Well if the gallente one is a specialised EW boat it better be better than the scorp. Would be ridiculous if caldari had the better Rail and EW ship.
Auman	Posted - 2006.07.05 15:22:00 - [50] What's the maximum optimal of a 425mm with spike L used by a pilot with maxed out skills? (Without tracking computers?)

Grimpak	Posted - 2006.07.05 16:06:00 - [51] Originally by: Auman What's the maximum optimal of a 425mm with spike L used by a pilot with maxed out skills? (Without tracking computers?) hmm.. if i'm not mistaken, 58km (base T2 425mm optimal) * 1,25 (sharpshooter at 5, wich is needed for the railgun anyways) = 72,5km range. double that with spike ammo (+ 100% range) and you get 145km range. and this is with just sharpshooter, the ammo and the gun itself. ------- Originally by: Abdalion Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant? Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
Nifel	Posted - 2006.07.05 16:12:00 - [52] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Auman What's the maximum optimal of a 425mm with spike L used by a pilot with maxed out skills? (Without tracking computers?) hmm.. if i'm not mistaken, 58km (base T2 425mm optimal) * 1,25 (sharpshooter at 5, wich is needed for the railgun anyways) = 72,5km range. double that with spike ammo (+ 100% range) and you get 145km range. and this is with just sharpshooter, the ammo and the gun itself. So 217.5 km with Spike L and caldari bs 5 assuming 10% range per level. Not bad o_O. Also something that I noticed regarding the old stats for tier3 bs. The caldari tier3 bs has 2 positive bonuses which most readily translates to 10% range and 5% damage. All tanking bonuses are negative. Some food for thought >_<. "When I die I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandpa. Not yelling and screaming like the passengers in his car." RKK Ranking: (MIN14)
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.07.05 16:13:00 - [53] Edited by: Nikolai Nuvolari on 05/07/2006 16:13:29 With 6 turrets, no damage bonus, and no RoF bonus, there's going to be truly no point in using the Roc, ever. The Megathron will outclass it as a sniper in every way. MAYBE if max targetting range weren't capped at 249km, seeing as it has the potential to hit pretty far beyond that, but since it is, the Roc will be totally useless. Think about it, a Megathron would do 46% more damage at nearly the same range. How is the Caldari ship a specialized sniper compared to that? EDIT: Missed one letter...just one little letter. Damn you, index finger. -------- Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.07.05 19:17:00 - [54] Originally by: Nifel Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Auman What's the maximum optimal of a 425mm with spike L used by a pilot with maxed out skills? (Without tracking computers?) hmm.. if i'm not mistaken, 58km (base T2 425mm optimal) * 1,25 (sharpshooter at 5, wich is needed for the railgun anyways) = 72,5km range. double that with spike ammo (+ 100% range) and you get 145km range. and this is with just sharpshooter, the ammo and the gun itself. So 217.5 km with Spike L and caldari bs 5 assuming 10% range per level. Not bad o_O. Also something that I noticed regarding the old stats for tier3 bs. The caldari tier3 bs has 2 positive bonuses which most readily translates to 10% range and 5% damage. All tanking bonuses are negative. Some food for thought >_<. I don't think they've been touched since the resistances were switched to negative. TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust - Suvetar, care to confirm these rumours about you being an unstoppable sex machine? LOL -Suvetar
nightstocker	Posted - 2006.07.07 18:38:00 - [55] question on these tier 3 are they going to have jump drives ?
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.07.07 19:01:00 - [56] Originally by: nightstocker question on these tier 3 are they going to have jump drives ? T2 BS. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.07.07 19:03:00 - [57] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: nightstocker question on these tier 3 are they going to have jump drives ? T2 BS. we don't know that, but it might be nice (as long as they could jump gates too) Tier 3 will definetely not have jumpdrives, unless a LOT changes from now to kali.
El Yatta	Posted - 2006.07.07 19:41:00 - [58] Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari Edited by: Nikolai Nuvolari on 05/07/2006 16:13:29 With 6 turrets, no damage bonus, and no RoF bonus, there's going to be truly no point in using the Roc, ever. The Megathron will outclass it as a sniper in every way. MAYBE if max targetting range weren't capped at 249km, seeing as it has the potential to hit pretty far beyond that, but since it is, the Roc will be totally useless. Think about it, a Megathron would do 46% more damage at nearly the same range. How is the Caldari ship a specialized sniper compared to that? EDIT: Missed one letter...just one little letter. Damn you, index finger. I'm constantly irked by your insistance that it is already called the Roc (which would be so ridiculous its untrue, imagine the Teamspeak clashes with Rook), and that it MUST have 8 turrets. You also seem to have a determination to make sure it obsoletes the megathron - why, exactly? "Just because its tier 3" doesnt cut it, nor does "Tier 3 BS are going to be mega-mega-specialised" - because both are fictional. They'll be no more specialised than the current BS (which are already reasonably specialised and good in one-two roles only). The megathron should be a competent and excellent railboat, especially if the Gallente tier 3 turns out to be a blasterboat. 7 turrets, 10% range, 5% resistances please. ---\|\|---
Imode	Posted - 2006.07.07 19:59:00 - [59] Heh, did you know there's an entire family of bird species called the Rallidae... more commonly referred to as just Rails. ____________________________
Ithildin	Posted - 2006.07.07 20:01:00 - [60] Originally by: Imode Heh, did you know there's an entire family of bird species called the Rallidae... more commonly referred to as just Rails. I gathered all my knowledge on Wikipedia Funny stuff, really. New sig coming soonÖ By "soon" I do not necessarily mean "this year"

Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.07.07 20:17:00 - [61] Originally by: El Yatta [I'm constantly irked by your insistance that it is already called the Roc I like the name, I'm going to use it unless they officially give us a different name. Hell, maybe everybody will call it that and the devs will say "What the hell, it's already accepted, we'll just leave it at that!" Originally by: El Yatta imagine the Teamspeak clashes with Rook) Rook was a dumb name in the first place, and it's not THAT close anyway. Originally by: El Yatta and that it MUST have 8 turrets. You also seem to have a determination to make sure it obsoletes the megathron - why, exactly? [...] The megathron should be a competent and excellent railboat The Megathron should be a competent railboat, but NOT an excellent one. It's Gallente, therefore it shouldn't be the be-all and end-all of rails. The Megathron's bonus means it will STILL outdamage the Roc, and that's fine...but a tier 3 Caldari sniper shouldn't be completely out-done in rails by a Gallente tier 2. Originally by: El Yatta They'll be no more specialised than the current BS Dev said it, hence I believe it more than I believe you. -------- Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Chi Prime	Posted - 2006.07.08 15:39:00 - [62] Originally by: cflux Originally by: CCP Hammer Rails Thank you! Best confirmation to rumors I have heard in ages. Finally we get an instant damage BS for caldari. Can I have your babies? /signed Finally a fleet ship for Caldari.
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.07.08 15:41:00 - [63] Originally by: Chi Prime Finally a fleet ship for Caldari. We never had one of those before
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.07.08 15:42:00 - [64] Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari Originally by: El Yatta They'll be no more specialised than the current BS Dev said it, hence I believe it more than I believe you. Linkage?
Chi Prime	Posted - 2006.07.08 15:49:00 - [65] Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Chi Prime Finally a fleet ship for Caldari. We never had one of those before lol, ok, allow me to rephrase... Finally an instadamage fleet ship for Caldari
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.07.08 16:07:00 - [66] Originally by: Chi Prime Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Chi Prime Finally a fleet ship for Caldari. We never had one of those before lol, ok, allow me to rephrase... Finally an instadamage fleet ship for Caldari
El Yatta	Posted - 2006.07.08 16:30:00 - [67] Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari Originally by: El Yatta [I'm constantly irked by your insistance that it is already called the Roc I like the name, I'm going to use it unless they officially give us a different name. Hell, maybe everybody will call it that and the devs will say "What the hell, it's already accepted, we'll just leave it at that!" Fine, but it doesnt change the fact that it makes you sound really arrogant... Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari Originally by: El Yatta imagine the Teamspeak clashes with Rook) Rook was a dumb name in the first place, and it's not THAT close anyway. Right, you've got nobody who's not a native english speaker in your corp then? Nobody who puts a completely different stress on vowel sounds? Never heard Veeegils and slehp-neers, Dooomi's and day-mos's called in on TS? Roc and Rook are FAR too close to be even considered. I'm sorry you think Rook is a dumb name, despite the fact that it is a real bird and a Roc isnt, and the Rook has a reputation for being crafty, much like an EW boat should be, but it was in first, so Roc has to go. Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari Originally by: El Yatta and that it MUST have 8 turrets. You also seem to have a determination to make sure it obsoletes the megathron - why, exactly? [...] The megathron should be a competent and excellent railboat The Megathron should be a competent railboat, but NOT an excellent one. It's Gallente, therefore it shouldn't be the be-all and end-all of rails. The Megathron's bonus means it will STILL outdamage the Roc, and that's fine...but a tier 3 Caldari sniper shouldn't be completely out-done in rails by a Gallente tier 2. You're doing exactly what I asked you not to, and going on about tier's being important, when they're just not. You can easily kill any other BS of any tier with any other bs, domi can take a tempest, typhoon a raven, scorp an apoc, so what is the insistance that it should be better because its a tier 3? You dont explain what role the mega should fulfull if it is outclassed by the tier 3 caldari. Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari Originally by: El Yatta They'll be no more specialised than the current BS Dev said it, hence I believe it more than I believe you. Proof please. Besides, you TOTALLY missed the point there, all of the current BS except the typhoon are very specialised, and excellent in their role, and the typhoon fits in well as an all-round damage dealer with speed. The tier3s, with only 2 bonuses as all tech 1, dont need to be, in fact CANT be any more specialised than most of the current ones. ---\|\|---
Crellion	Posted - 2006.07.08 16:39:00 - [68] Edited by: Crellion on 08/07/2006 16:42:31 Edited by: Crellion on 08/07/2006 16:40:33 I dont wasnt to come across as an arse but I think having 6 rails and optimal and resist bonus would be retarded. Why? Optimal bonus useless at the BS class with current state of tech II ammo. Resistance bonus useless for fleet BS. Gank more important than tank... Will they really make a tier 3 BS that only good at snipping cruisers at 80km with antimatter when all other races get the uber BS of doom (at least minnie and probably gallente from the looks of it)? I cant see anybody using a slow BS with 6 turrets and no dmg boni. Second edit: If you HAVE to give it a split weapon system then 5% missle rof and 5% Hybrid dmg is better, same as the phoon... Tux just fixed the Phoon and he will give us a tier 3 BS that is as bad as the Phoon was pre-patch?
Stamm	Posted - 2006.07.08 16:50:00 - [69] Edited by: Stamm on 08/07/2006 16:50:38 Caldari BS. 8 highs (8 turrets, 2 launchers) 7 mids 5 lows 5% ROF to hybrids per level. 5% to shield resists per level. There we go, nice vanilla setup for Caldari. And I'd see a lot of people training for it, not least of all Gallente.
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.07.08 17:01:00 - [70] Originally by: Stamm Edited by: Stamm on 08/07/2006 16:50:38 Caldari BS. 8 highs (8 turrets, 2 launchers) 7 mids 5 lows 5% ROF to hybrids per level. 5% to shield resists per level. There we go, nice vanilla setup for Caldari. And I'd see a lot of people training for it, not least of all Gallente. A lot of people, not least of which: EVERYONE. 15% more DPS than a blasterthron from guns, excellent resists, amazing midslots for tanking/ECMs, enough lows for damage mods/PDUs/WCS.

Valea Silpha	Posted - 2006.07.08 17:03:00 - [71] If it gets the moa/ferox resistance bonus, then it needs to have correspondinly fewer mids. Otherwise its going to be a touch too crazy on the tank, or allowing it to doube as a scorpian and tanking pretty damn well too. Also i'd guess it'll only have 7 turrets, for the sake of not having much scope as a blaster platform. On the minmatar tier 3, i will hunt and kill anyone who says a target painter bonus is reasonable. <Hammerhead> TomB is doing the nerfing <Hammerhead> I just stand behind him, look at his monitor and shake my head
Stamm	Posted - 2006.07.08 17:06:00 - [72] Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Stamm Edited by: Stamm on 08/07/2006 16:50:38 Caldari BS. 8 highs (8 turrets, 2 launchers) 7 mids 5 lows 5% ROF to hybrids per level. 5% to shield resists per level. There we go, nice vanilla setup for Caldari. And I'd see a lot of people training for it, not least of all Gallente. A lot of people, not least of which: EVERYONE. 15% more DPS than a blasterthron from guns, excellent resists, amazing midslots for tanking/ECMs, enough lows for damage mods/PDUs/WCS. Well, to be fair unless you want to put more highslots than 8, it's going to have that amount of mids and lows. You could mix it up a little, but it's not going to be much different, and I think 7/6 is just the natural progression. I am assuming of course 20 slots for Tier 3 BSs. If you want to nerf it because that combination is too powerful then ensure it doesn't have the powergrid to fit 8 425mm T2s and any kind of tank. Or drop some turret points. But I think all of the Tier 3 ships are going to be bigger and better than the Tier 2s.
Stamm	Posted - 2006.07.08 17:09:00 - [73] Originally by: Valea Silpha If it gets the moa/ferox resistance bonus, then it needs to have correspondinly fewer mids. Otherwise its going to be a touch too crazy on the tank, or allowing it to doube as a scorpian and tanking pretty damn well too. Also i'd guess it'll only have 7 turrets, for the sake of not having much scope as a blaster platform. On the minmatar tier 3, i will hunt and kill anyone who says a target painter bonus is reasonable. I'm of three minds. One one hand I think target painters are perfectly reasonable, and Minmatar whiners need to go take anger management classes. On the other I don't think a Tier 3 Battleship is the best place for EW. And mind number three? It says give them an optimal range to TPs and a falloff to TPs, and that's their lot..... and sit back in my heavily tanked Tachyon Abaddon and laugh. Lots.
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.07.08 17:10:00 - [74] ^^ Say no to cheap faction BSs for everyone! 19 slots is enough for anyone!
Shi Mun	Posted - 2006.07.08 17:18:00 - [75] Originally by: Stamm Edited by: Stamm on 08/07/2006 16:50:38 Caldari BS. 8 highs (8 turrets, 2 launchers) 7 mids 5 lows 5% ROF to hybrids per level. 5% to shield resists per level. There we go, nice vanilla setup for Caldari. And I'd see a lot of people training for it, not least of all Gallente. 7 turrets and 3 launchers, with not enough pg to fit all 7 turrets and not enough cpu to fit 6 turrets 2 launchers and a tank ------------------------------------------------------- Read my EW suggestions here:- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=304925&page=28
Stamm	Posted - 2006.07.08 17:23:00 - [76] Originally by: HippoKing ^^ Say no to cheap faction BSs for everyone! 19 slots is enough for anyone! You could easily swing me there. But since everybody is talking about 20 slots, that's what I've been basing it on. Simply the extra slot is going to mean 20% cap or 20% damage, or an extra WCS, etc etc. Look at your BS setups and ask yourself what would you fit, if you could put something on there without having to worry about fitting (be reasonable). That's a significant bit more powerful than things are already. Of course they're going to have more armour (who cares) and more shields (passive tanks) and all the other marginal things that compound to make significantly more powerful ships. So perhaps there's a very good reason to keep them to 19 slots.
Chi Prime	Posted - 2006.07.08 17:55:00 - [77] Edited by: Chi Prime on 08/07/2006 18:03:08 Originally by: El Yatta Right, you've got nobody who's not a native english speaker in your corp then? Nobody who puts a completely different stress on vowel sounds? Never heard Veeegils and slehp-neers, Dooomi's and day-mos's called in on TS? So true... made me laugh. Originally by: El Yatta Roc and Rook are FAR too close to be even considered. I very much agree. In fact, I think the "Huginn" is bad enough.. Scout: "we have hostile Tempest, Sleipnir, Huginn on the gate" FC: "ok guys, we have a Tempest and a Sleipnir hugging the gate, let's go"
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.07.08 17:57:00 - [78] Originally by: El Yatta Right, you've got nobody who's not a native english speaker in your corp then? Nobody who puts a completely different stress on vowel sounds? Never heard Veeegils and slehp-neers, Dooomi's and day-mos's called in on TS? Actually, day-mos is correct. I still say dee-mos though, because I like it more
Spuki	Posted - 2006.07.08 18:44:00 - [79] Originally by: El Yatta Right, you've got nobody who's not a native english speaker in your corp then? Nobody who puts a completely different stress on vowel sounds? Never heard Veeegils and slehp-neers, Dooomi's and day-mos's called in on TS? Roc and Rook are FAR too close to be even considered. /me feels caught. How do you pronounce it the right way?
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.07.08 18:49:00 - [80] Originally by: Spuki Originally by: El Yatta Right, you've got nobody who's not a native english speaker in your corp then? Nobody who puts a completely different stress on vowel sounds? Never heard Veeegils and slehp-neers, Dooomi's and day-mos's called in on TS? Roc and Rook are FAR too close to be even considered. /me feels caught. How do you pronounce it the right way? Roke afaik

Cadiz	Posted - 2006.07.08 20:50:00 - [81] Edited by: Cadiz on 08/07/2006 20:51:23 Roc = Pronounced exactly the same as "rock". Rook = just like it looks; extended "o" sound in the middle with a hard K ending. ------ Director, Blood Moon Horde "There is no problem that cannot be solved by the judicious application of violence."
Ithildin	Posted - 2006.07.08 21:38:00 - [82] Two things still remain that's bead about the Roc as name: * People don't care about proper pronounciation - they use what they think and feel is raight * Searching for Roc yields all too many results. An excellent, if RL-ladened, name would be Harrier, if it is birds of prey you are looking for. Other names in the Cerberus-and-Scropion category might be Viper, Gargoyle, or even Satyr. Who knows? Just not Roc, ok? New sig coming soonÖ By "soon" I do not necessarily mean "this year"
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.07.08 21:39:00 - [83] Originally by: Ithildin * Searching for Roc yields all too many results. yeah, a market search for it is totally infeasible.
Knoppaz	Posted - 2006.07.08 21:57:00 - [84] C'mon CCP.. make it a railboat with armor-tank and bonus to defender missiles..
Chi Prime	Posted - 2006.07.10 23:42:00 - [85] Originally by: Ithildin * Searching for Roc yields all too many results. Good point. Didn't consider that one.
Ryuki	Posted - 2006.07.11 16:15:00 - [86] Roc or Rukh... O.o
CrestoftheStars Deviance Inc SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.03 12:26:00 - [87] yer at least they gave the caldari a 1type weapon setup on a bs.... know they just need to redo the raven so its that nice missile boat, and can use 8missiles instead of only 6.. (besides a mwd typhoon would still own it, or a nice sniper setup, or the nice blaster killer ship:P so its not overpowered.
Twilight Moon Minmatar Malicious Intentions	Posted - 2006.10.03 12:31:00 - [88] Originally by: CrestoftheStars yer at least they gave the caldari a 1type weapon setup on a bs.... know they just need to redo the raven so its that nice missile boat, The Raven already is a nice missile boat. ---------------- ...on the other hand using a banana might be a viable alternative. Anyone Recruiting? 8m SP PvP Character looking for a new home, for a life as a pirate. Contact Via EVE-Mail.
Hornious1	Posted - 2006.10.03 14:49:00 - [89] I am a little disappointed with the Tier 3 Caldari BS being a turret ship. Most Caldari specialized characters are missile specialists and swithing to the new BS will require most to train up some very long gunnery skills. On the other hand the other three races will get Tier 3 BS's that most likely fit their current skill set.
Kunming Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.03 14:58:00 - [90] Originally by: Hornious1 I am a little disappointed with the Tier 3 Caldari BS being a turret ship. Most Caldari specialized characters are missile specialists and swithing to the new BS will require most to train up some very long gunnery skills. On the other hand the other three races will get Tier 3 BS's that most likely fit their current skill set. Caldari pilots asked for an insta dmg weapon syste, aka turrets. Rails have accompanied caldari over all the ship class', merlin, cormorant, moa, ferox.. Rokh (tier 3). Also you will recieve much flamage from minnie pilots and the rest of the non-caldari EVE community thats ****ed cause caldari are getting a 8-turret sniper-pwn-mobile, while Amarr, gallente and minmatar are the main turret using races.

stalker cain	Posted - 2006.10.03 17:05:00 - [91] i thought it was spelt rok no roc
marioman Caldari Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.03 19:04:00 - [92] its Rokh, Not Rok, not Roc and as for not giving it 8 turrets b/c it will do more damage than the mega, it wont. Gal BS 5 in a mega with 7 425mm IIs is the same as having 8.75 425mm IIs So I think 8 turrets on the Rokh would be more than fair as the Mega will still have the damage output of an extra 3/4ths of a gun.
Ath Amon	Posted - 2006.10.03 19:23:00 - [93] a bit necro :P the problem is not the damage itself, but that probably this ship will save 4+ slots over a mega due to its bonuses and base targetting range and will be veeery close in dps. so probably it will have good dps, and enought space to fit an huge passive tank and max damage mods... think of a mega with 23 slots and you see why so many turret users are upset about this ship. in close range it will be a viable ship too... its range bonus will permit it to use higher damage ammos at better range... and again big tank and damage mods to boost damage. imo 8 turrets are too much for this ship, dps should be lower to compensate utility/tankage, the only other way i think it could be balance is if it will have a poor PG/CPU so it will need too many modules to sustain uber gank/tank/sniper setups
Unemployed Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.10.03 19:43:00 - [94] Edited by: Unemployed on 03/10/2006 19:44:18 Originally by: Hornious1 I am a little disappointed with the Tier 3 Caldari BS being a turret ship. Most Caldari specialized characters are missile specialists and swithing to the new BS will require most to train up some very long gunnery skills. On the other hand the other three races will get Tier 3 BS's that most likely fit their current skill set. Agreed 11 Gunnery skills trained, for a total of 809,940 skillPoints. 14 Missile Launcher Operation skills trained, for a total of 7,348,108 skillPoints. =(
TimeKeepr No Quarter. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.03 19:56:00 - [95] caldari already have a powerful missle boat - the Raven. no one is forcing you to train for a rokh if you dont like turrets.
Ishina Fel Caldari Inversion Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.03 20:00:00 - [96] That's like whining to the Devs for a new support ship class, and then acting surprised that you can't use your existing battleship skill to pilot it. Seriously. If what you guys wanted was a ship on which missiles have zero flight time (coughcoughcough), then ask for that, not just for "an instant damage ship". Besides, a rail battleship was long overdue. Even if it means an addition to the game that gasp doesn't cater to your specific skillset!
Maeliko	Posted - 2006.10.03 20:47:00 - [97] From what i understood from the blog it will be like a ferrox, as much missile slots as turret slots but no bonus. If thats the case it would have more firepower whith missiles then the raven, slower missile velocity tho.
Max Hardcase Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.10.03 21:01:00 - [98] Originally by: Maeliko From what i understood from the blog it will be like a ferrox, as much missile slots as turret slots but no bonus. If thats the case it would have more firepower whith missiles then the raven, slower missile velocity tho. They said 8 turret slots !
Maeliko	Posted - 2006.10.03 21:35:00 - [99] Edited by: Maeliko on 03/10/2006 21:38:04 Originally by: Max Hardcase Originally by: Maeliko From what i understood from the blog it will be like a ferrox, as much missile slots as turret slots but no bonus. If thats the case it would have more firepower whith missiles then the raven, slower missile velocity tho. They said 8 turret slots ! Caldari favor missiles and hybrids as a primary weapon system. They usually get a range bonus for hybrids which is a lot more beneficial to railguns than it is to blasters. Their "railgun" ships however usually have fewer turret hardpoints than other races turret ships. The Rokh does not, its not really lacking in the missile hardpoint department but it does have 8 turret hardpoints as well. Read again!
Areconus Caldari Cereal Killerz Chimaera Pact	Posted - 2006.10.04 02:32:00 - [100] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Tido Maliyu FFS now i have to train up my hybrid skills... AAARRRGGHHH!!! You were expecting Raven 2, eh? Would of been yummy for ratting, WTB BS WITH 8 LAUNCHERS!! Gloria Stitz- "Try not to bring reality in to these forums Otherwise we might take the game seriously"

Ren Tales	Posted - 2006.10.04 04:03:00 - [101] The Devs have been saying Rohk, but hey...
Ubercado Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2006.10.04 05:29:00 - [102] Edited by: Ubercado on 04/10/2006 05:29:26 I don't mind the fact that the new ship will have 8 turrets. It gives me something new to train for. Besides, missles are getting a bit boring anyway...


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