I don't know, you tell me. Look at the market, figure out how much you'll get from selling refined mineral vs compressing ores.

The market has not had time to adjust I am wondering if it will become more profitable.

Depends on how null sec responds to all of this. Not much need to use compressed ore in high sec. Will null sec production increase beyond Null's improved mining and refining ability? Time will tell.

With the new changes to refining will it be more profitable to compress ore to sell rather than refine?

Null sec builders will be seeking replacement for compression modules such as 425mm rails. It doesn't necessarily follow that they will want compressed ore. Instead I would think they will buy ore and compress it themselves. It depends if the price of compressed ore from the market is cheaper than compressing ore in a compression array.

This doesn't make sense. Where exactly would one buy a supercarriers worth of uncompressed ore in order to compress it? Ore is too big to practically move, you either compress it to comp ore or you refine it on the spot to minerals, both of which are smaller than the ore.

Null sec builders will be seeking replacement for compression modules such as 425mm rails. It doesn't necessarily follow that they will want compressed ore. Instead I would think they will buy ore and compress it themselves. It depends if the price of compressed ore from the market is cheaper than compressing ore in a compression array.

If we assume ore mining is dispersed around all of eve, that super builders aren't especially into doing a shitton of freighter work, that random highsec mining corps don't typically mine and hoard tens of billions of ore at a time and that people are not inclined to haul unprocessed ore to Jita then the problem remains "who the **** do you buy a titan worth of ore off of?". If you buy it off of 30 different groups in 30 different areas then you'll be moving your POS around to compress it in each area.

There is not a central market system for raw ore because raw ore is a ***** to move. There is not a local market system for enough raw ore because super manufacturers need a shitton of it.

excluding any short term variance compressed ore will always be worth more, it has the same innate value and massively greater utility

True, but you need to move the ore to a POS before you can compress it, and AFAIK the compressing facility has a very limited volume. And moving uncompressed ore is difficult as it's so bulky.

Now, if it becomes possible to compress ore in a station... Party time, man!!!

True, but you need to move the ore to a POS before you can compress it, and AFAIK the compressing facility has a very limited volume. And moving uncompressed ore is difficult as it's so bulky.

Now, if it becomes possible to compress ore in a station... Party time, man!!!

...you need to move the ore to a POS before you can compress it, and AFAIK the compressing facility has a very limited volume. And moving uncompressed ore is difficult as it's so bulky.

I've spent 200m on research fees on about 4 BPO, and I've saved at least 20m of NPC tax so far, and I'm not in full-research mode yet.

Whether a POS is useful to you, is up to you to decide: do the math.

I have a large to myself, mostly for research, a corp-mate is using my second large mostly for manufacturing, and my third large is offline. I'm willing to pay for large towers because I'm also paranoid.

Fine, good on you.

But i'm talking about Compressing and Refining, nothing else.

I'm sure most players on here are better at the math than I ever will be btw.

So is it worth the expense of a one man corp, with all Reprocessing skills at 5 to invest in a POS? For the sake of a couple of % points?

I'm not sure it is really, considering the sheer time it'll take to get the isk back.

That's not even considering the hassle factor of maintaining it either.

I bought a small tower, compression array and refine array. I haul it in my freighter when I go to get ore. When it's time I put the tower online to do my refine/compression. When I am finished I unachor and scoop it and move on. This takes less than an hour or 1 star base charter plus 10 fuel blocks. Rinse and repeat as required.

How many loads can you manage to get into the array in the one hour it's online?

I compressed one full freighter load of compressed ore. It took over 60 freighter loads of uncompressed ore. The ore was luckily all sitting in one station. Even more luckily, my POS was anchored at a moon on a perfect (insta) undock vector from the station (saving freighter align time in one direction). It took a long time to haul the ore. Long enough that I gave up my dream of becoming an ore compressor.

Hauling ore is wasteful of time. I recommend doing it as little as possible. That means once, directly from the asteroid belt to the compression array, without ever dropping it at a station. I realize the likelihood of getting most miners to do anything other than mine is low, and the likelihood of getting haulers or traders to mine is probably even lower. But my gut tells me that's the right way to do it.

The system relies on miners thinking critically about their actions and seeking to optimise their isk per hour WHILE STILL REMAINING HIGHSEC MINERS. In short the system doesn't work. Those of us who predicted this moved a colossal stockpile of minerals to null while they still could. Those of us who did not, well I guess they work at CCP as part of the "good ideas" team.

At those prices, one might even be able to buy ore, compress it and sell it at a profit.

Yup, averaging 20 million isk profit per load...
I made over 500 million isk profits in a 3 hour session last night alone. That's profit, not volume moved...
No point in keeping it a secret any more...
The secret is out...

There is more than one "secret". Some of them involve easier and faster ways to make 500m.
But if ore compression is your thing, I suspect you'll manage to obtain plenty of raw ore to keep it going.

Thank you for doing what efficient markets should be doing. The "slack" from ore market is rapidly gone.

But there is still money to be made. You just need to move to buy orders.

The price disparity between ore and compressed ore is always going to be around. Whoever can be bothered by the :effort: of compressing it will make ISK. Not a huge load of it, but reasonable considering this is risk-free high sec stuff that can be done by anyone with a Freighter and an alt corp, plus some POS equipment.

Just pick a central system with miners around you, plop down your POS, buy ore from the nearby systems 2-3 jumps in every direction, compress, haul to Jita. Profit.

With the new changes to refining will it be more profitable to compress ore to sell rather than refine?