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master bates
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Posted - 2006.07.05 23:50:00 -
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hi guys , i was under the impression that npc scrammers /jammers dont stack , i clear the first room of the mission no problem warp into the second room and get warp jammed even tho i have a stabiliser on, has the stacking changed so they do stack ? i.e. if three npcs try to warp scram me i get scrammed if this isnt meant to happen can i petition since i lost my apoc to this.
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mimik
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Posted - 2006.07.05 23:59:00 -
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afaik npc scrambling does stack and its meant to do so.
the repors that npcs only ever scramble for one point is one of many "eve myths".
any drones with the "strain" prefix are capable of warp scrambling and should be taken out asap.
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master bates
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Posted - 2006.07.06 00:01:00 -
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/emote cries at his ship loss goes and kicks the **** outta his agent then goes back to lvl3 missions...
cheers dude thanks for quick answer
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xh'duality
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Posted - 2006.07.06 05:19:00 -
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You will find mission's where they have up to 3 scramblers so just dont worry about stab's use that slot for a mod to help your tank. I wouldnt stab my ship doing lvl 4's cause it weaken's the tank alot.
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Father Weebles
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Posted - 2006.07.06 06:17:00 -
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 Originally by: xh'duality
You will find mission's where they have up to 3 scramblers so just dont worry about stab's use that slot for a mod to help your tank. I wouldnt stab my ship doing lvl 4's cause it weaken's the tank alot.
I'd have to agree.
BTW did u happen to die in the second stage with the drone controllers?
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xh'duality
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Posted - 2006.07.06 06:39:00 -
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Edited by: xh''duality on 06/07/2006 06:40:31
I never lost a BS in my eve history yet. The mish itself isent even that hard at even with old setup instead of a gisti b xlarge just a t2 sb. me setup for that mish is
high:
6 siege
2 heavy nos
med:
1 t2 sb (now a gisti b xlarge)
3 t2 hardener's (em/therm/inv)
1 sb amp
1 t2 cap recharger
low:
4 t2 pds
1 cpr (cuts down 10% sb boost but sb amp compensates for that)
se only t2 ammo most frigs will die before they get to ya and use em hitting med drones cut em up hard. watch your ship for the blue stuff from scrammer's and kill the scramming drone. i had 2 warp once out of that mish was the first time i did that mish and didnt know what to expect.
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MrRookie
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Posted - 2006.07.06 07:25:00 -
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Originally by: xh'duality
Edited by: xh''duality on 06/07/2006 06:40:31
I never lost a BS in my eve history yet. The mish itself isent even that hard at even with old setup instead of a gisti b xlarge just a t2 sb. me setup for that mish is
high:
6 siege
2 heavy nos
med:
1 t2 sb (now a gisti b xlarge)
3 t2 hardener's (em/therm/inv)
1 sb amp
1 t2 cap recharger
low:
4 t2 pds
1 cpr (cuts down 10% sb boost but sb amp compensates for that)
se only t2 ammo most frigs will die before they get to ya and use em hitting med drones cut em up hard. watch your ship for the blue stuff from scrammer's and kill the scramming drone. i had 2 warp once out of that mish was the first time i did that mish and didnt know what to expect.
Thats a good setup. Personally I use cruise missiles as they work wonders on the drones, incase you haven't tried that 
Anyway I find these drone mission quite easy. Use the right hardeners and the right ammo (EM) and it's a walk in the park.
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xh'duality
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Posted - 2006.07.06 09:09:00 -
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Well yea Cruise + painter = lots of dmg to small target's but im to lazy to switch too many mod's lol
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Sylaan
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Posted - 2006.07.06 09:17:00 -
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I am not so conviced about the fact that NPC scramblers stack but it's worth noting that there are certain "Strain" type of drones that scramble for +2.
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Mike Yagon
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Posted - 2006.07.06 09:27:00 -
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Huh? You lost a ship on the second pocket of rogue drone harassment? To what? Those Drone Controllers are so slow you could outfly them backwards while 2-point webbed. 
My Tempest has a weak tank compared to an Apoc, but at 80km and only the mediocre drones on me (which my drones dispatched) I could passive tank the whole bunch of them. You just need to get out of the 20km range of those Drone Controllers and they become totally docile.
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Toy
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Posted - 2006.07.06 11:13:00 -
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I enjoy fighting those when I get the chance, but the best set up is a geddon or apoc with megapulse lasers at 10km...
It's a bit dicey on the infiltrated outposts, but goes very fast on the A game.
One key is to blow away the strain drones very very very fast...use drones and dual web on them as the warp scrambling does stack. |
Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2006.07.06 13:42:00 -
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Originally by: Sylaan
I am not so conviced about the fact that NPC scramblers stack ...
...but the people who wrote the game, are. It's up to the OP whether he believes you or them.
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Sylaan
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Posted - 2006.07.06 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Originally by: Sylaan
I am not so conviced about the fact that NPC scramblers stack ...
...but the people who wrote the game, are. It's up to the OP whether he believes you or them.
I am sure they are. I would love to see a quote of a dev stating that, though ;) Besides, the current example is irrelevant. The OP stated he had one WCS and the mission can have +2 scramblers.
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master bates
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Posted - 2006.07.06 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Mike Yagon
Huh? You lost a ship on the second pocket of rogue drone harassment? To what? Those Drone Controllers are so slow you could outfly them backwards while 2-point webbed.
My Tempest has a weak tank compared to an Apoc, but at 80km and only the mediocre drones on me (which my drones dispatched) I could passive tank the whole bunch of them. You just need to get out of the 20km range of those Drone Controllers and they become totally docile.
yes i lost my apoc i was getting battered in the second deadspace pocket, was webbed so i couldnt get outta anythings range, and when i needed to warp out i was scrammed so i got blew up
i dunno how to multi quote but someone was talking about a setup where they were using t2 stuff , i am only using t1 stuff in fact the only t2 thing i had was a large armor rep II
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master bates
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Posted - 2006.07.06 15:47:00 -
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as far as i can remember my setup was:
hi slots
5 x tachyon beam 1's with multifreqs, and radios
1xheavy missile launcher with thunderbolt heavies
1xsiege launcher with mjolnir torps
med slots
all cap rechargers as far as i can remember
low slots
1x warp stab
1x voltaic em hardener
1x voltaic themic hardener
1x f85 peripheral damage system I
2x 1600mm crystalline plates
as for the last slot ive forgot what was there 
was this not a good setup, now that i think about it large pulses may have been better but i am not sure
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Joshua Deakin
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Posted - 2006.07.06 16:33:00 -
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It's not a good setup in many ways. First I hope you had an armor rep, some missions you need two of em. Dont bother fitting plates for npcs. You want a tank that can replenish it as fast as possible with good cap recharge.
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master bates
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Posted - 2006.07.06 16:35:00 -
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oh yeah armor rep that was the other module
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White Ronin
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Posted - 2006.07.06 20:04:00 -
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Maybe I am wrong but it seemed that in all the drone series's that the controllers would drop drone AI.
They dont seem to do that in this mission (just finished) or in the Infestation mission either.
Is this just me?
I could have sworn the controllers dropped this item.
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Leandro Salazar
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Posted - 2006.07.07 01:55:00 -
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Elite drone parasites drop AI. Thats a different form of drone battleship fond in Silence the Informant.
And the OPs setup was indeed very very bad. For starters, you simply dont use plates for PvE. Resistance >>> HP in missions. And rogue drones are very easy to kite. I always kill them with a fast sniper setup and no tank at all. And you don't need one piece of T2 for that (Though a T2 afterburner is desireable).
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Rick Dentill
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Posted - 2006.07.07 07:27:00 -
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I love the fact that they put those drone controllers in the lvl 4. Also my tip for the day orbit the beacon, it seems npcs have real trouble hitting moving targets.
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master bates
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Posted - 2006.07.07 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: Leandro Salazar
And the OPs setup was indeed very very bad. For starters, you simply dont use plates for PvE. Resistance >>> HP in missions. And rogue drones are very easy to kite. I always kill them with a fast sniper setup and no tank at all. And you don't need one piece of T2 for that (Though a T2 afterburner is desireable).
ok dont use plates.... however my tank seems to last a lot longer with plates, however what would you recommend as an apoc setup for lvl4 missions please bear in mind i am still tech 1 cept for armor reps
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Leandro Salazar
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Posted - 2006.07.08 00:12:00 -
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Originally by: master bates
Originally by: Leandro Salazar
And the OPs setup was indeed very very bad. For starters, you simply dont use plates for PvE. Resistance >>> HP in missions. And rogue drones are very easy to kite. I always kill them with a fast sniper setup and no tank at all. And you don't need one piece of T2 for that (Though a T2 afterburner is desireable).
ok dont use plates.... however my tank seems to last a lot longer with plates, however what would you recommend as an apoc setup for lvl4 missions please bear in mind i am still tech 1 cept for armor reps
There is no 'setup for lvl4 missions' as different missions require different setups.
For rogue drones, I use an Apoc like this:
8 Best named Mega Beams with Standard & Xray
1 Best useable AB (T2 for me), 2 best Tracking comps, 1 best sensor booster
3 best Heat Sink, rest fitting mod(s) if you need them, CPR, 1 tracking enhancer and nano ints.
Warp in, turn around, turn on AB, kite them. Only start shooting once you are like 50km away and don't launch drones unless you are already webbed (never happened to me, the strains die REALLY fast)
Other lvl4s will require you to tank and use pulse lasers but I don't remember those setups as I have started using a Raven for any non-Rogue drone missions long ago.
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master bates
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Posted - 2006.07.09 00:11:00 -
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cheers that is extremely helpful dude, now all i gotta do is save up for an apoc again :(
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