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Goldiiee Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies 1151	Posted - 2014.08.01 17:15:00 - [91] - Quote Ginger Barbarella wrote: So basically, completely unrealistic. Gotcha... I don't get it, first he didn't ask what the fit was for, or what you would use it for, he just wanted to know where the numbers came from for the, with/without boost comment. And second, is everyone that trolls the forums poor bastards? How hard is it to save up a couple billion ISK? With the fairly easy availability of ten clones you can have one set up with cheap throw away implants or None, and 9 set up with any derivation you can think of. Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
James Baboli Ferrous Infernum 55	Posted - 2014.08.01 17:26:00 - [92] - Quote Goldiiee wrote: Ginger Barbarella wrote: So basically, completely unrealistic. Gotcha... I don't get it, first he didn't ask what the fit was for, or what you would use it for, he just wanted to know where the numbers came from for the, with/without boost comment. And second, is everyone that trolls the forums poor bastards? How hard is it to save up a couple billion ISK? With the fairly easy availability of ten clones you can have one set up with cheap throw away implants or None, and 9 set up with any derivation you can think of. Most forum trolls are addicted to flying exactly what they can afford to replace, and aren't that great at the activities that bring in isk. Thus the amount of patience needed to build up 10-15B and bling out every pod they can jump to is considered unrealistic. That crazy bag FC with the silly things on the hull that shouldn't but just did.
Serendipity Lost Repo Industries 338	Posted - 2014.08.01 17:54:00 - [93] - Quote Actually I have billions. I also have several jump clones. I also live in a wh, so clone jumping isn't an option. There is actually quite a bit of whining in the wh section to be able to swap clones in wh. Personally I'm against that, but meh. I'm not a troll, I'm just tired of EFTtards linking rediculous fits that don't really apply to anything. Just because I agree with the unicorn comment doesn't make me a troll. Think of me more as a voice of reason amongst a sea of EFTtards.
NIFTYGetAtMe State Protectorate Caldari State 2	Posted - 2014.08.01 18:20:00 - [94] - Quote Serendipity Lost wrote: Actually I have billions. I also have several jump clones. I also live in a wh, so clone jumping isn't an option. There is actually quite a bit of whining in the wh section to be able to swap clones in wh. Personally I'm against that, but meh. I'm not a troll, I'm just tired of EFTtards linking rediculous fits that don't really apply to anything. Just because I agree with the unicorn comment doesn't make me a troll. Think of me more as a voice of reason amongst a sea of EFTtards. None of the fits here are ridiculous. If someone wants to bling their ship, why shouldn't they? Aside from the measly RF Amp and Tech 1 MWD, that Sleipnir fit is really good. Because you wouldn't fly a ship like that, it's automatically an EFTard fit? If you want the right to call an excellent blinged fit "EFTard", please start paying the sub fees of those you wish to target.
Serendipity Lost Repo Industries 338	Posted - 2014.08.01 18:31:00 - [95] - Quote That's my point. Folks don't fly those ships. They just link them. So, some guy comes on here looking for some advice on command ships. Just basic information. And of course at some point and EFTtard can't help but link a unicorn. The guys just looking for advice, and his question wasn't "Could someone please link the most expensive whacked out CS fit to include an outrageous set of implants" I'm just saying folks should resist the urge to link that crap. I've scanned a lot of mission ships. No command ships fit like that. To be honest, most sleipners are used in pvp. The mission crowd likes their BS. The incursion crowd likes their bling BS. That fit just doesn't exist out of EFTtard land. Prove me wrong. Link me a loss mail of such a command ship. You come off like there are 3 in every mission system in eve. Link or you agree with me.
James Baboli Ferrous Infernum 55	Posted - 2014.08.01 18:32:00 - [96] - Quote Serendipity Lost wrote: That's my point. Folks don't fly those ships. They just link them. So, some guy comes on here looking for some advice on command ships. Just basic information. And of course at some point and EFTtard can't help but link a unicorn. The guys just looking for advice, and his question wasn't "Could someone please link the most expensive whacked out CS fit to include an outrageous set of implants" I'm just saying folks should resist the urge to link that crap. I've scanned a lot of mission ships. No command ships fit like that. To be honest, most sleipners are used in pvp. The mission crowd likes their BS. The incursion crowd likes their bling BS. That fit just doesn't exist out of EFTtard land. Prove me wrong. Link me a loss mail of such a command ship. You come off like there are 3 in every mission system in eve. Link or you agree with me. And if we don't lose such ships, but rather kill and make i back to dockup safely? That crazy bag FC with the silly things on the hull that shouldn't but just did.
Serendipity Lost Repo Industries 338	Posted - 2014.08.01 18:37:00 - [97] - Quote Is that the weakest counter point ever or an actual question? (this is an acutal question)
NIFTYGetAtMe State Protectorate Caldari State 2	Posted - 2014.08.01 18:40:00 - [98] - Quote Serendipity Lost wrote: That's my point. Folks don't fly those ships. They just link them. So, some guy comes on here looking for some advice on command ships. Just basic information. And of course at some point and EFTtard can't help but link a unicorn. The guys just looking for advice, and his question wasn't "Could someone please link the most expensive whacked out CS fit to include an outrageous set of implants" I'm just saying folks should resist the urge to link that crap. I've scanned a lot of mission ships. No command ships fit like that. To be honest, most sleipners are used in pvp. The mission crowd likes their BS. The incursion crowd likes their bling BS. That fit just doesn't exist out of EFTtard land. Prove me wrong. Link me a loss mail of such a command ship. You come off like there are 3 in every mission system in eve. Link or you agree with me. No, I come off like thinking some people like to fly blinged PvP ships. Thinking I come off like everyone flys them like that is a real stretch. A troll stretch if you ask me. What do loss-mails have to do with this anyway?
Goldiiee Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies 1152	Posted - 2014.08.01 20:36:00 - [99] - Quote Serendipity Lost wrote: .. I fly 4 of them, slightly different setup for each but essentially the same 3k to 6k tank, one on each account. As you said, you found one loss mail (got away from the gate and couldn't get back and lost it in a 7 to 1 fight with them having logi support). After I broke the 100bil mark I started setting up pirate clones for each account (Slave and Crystal to start) and of course a Min-Max for Incursions, Missions and Epic Arcs, and of course the reliable blank clone for Roams and risky work. The fact that I haven't lost a ship or pod on this toon in several years has little to do with me not Risking and more to do with Me not being stupid. But I am sure you still think 'no KB, no Love', you don't play the same game I do, if you did you would cry yourself to sleep at night for being so bad at it. I check my wallet for changes of billions each day, and I look for my fights with care and planning so as to always know the outcome before the first step. So the idea that they don't exist and couldn't happen is simply a delusion or lack of imagination on your part, perhaps you shouldn't restrict the dreams and aspirations of new pilots with your own limitations. Edited; Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Maeltstome Twisted Insanity. The Kadeshi 548	Posted - 2014.08.02 00:06:00 - [100] - Quote James Baboli wrote: O'nira wrote: James Baboli wrote: O'nira wrote: some of the numbers in this thread seem to be exaggerated just a tad. I can show you a 1500 DPS astarte. Not one I'd field, but 1500 DPS, with a tank fitted, and tackle, and maybe a link or 2. Or grid-stretching sniper vultures. Call out what you think is BS and I'll go break it with a hammer until the numbers work. please do, what does a tank fitted mean btw? does it mean it has some tank mods slapped on there or it has a realistic tank? are you gonna link me a shield astarte maybe? may as well go talos in that case. sorry for the late post I mean apparently 110k EHP, 1514 DPS, MWD's stably as long as you have cap charges and a low resist of 79.2. Linky link Sure. lets spend 3.3 BILLION ISK on a command ship. P.s. that price doesn't include the implants - its over 5.5 Billion with implants. EFT Warriors need to start using PYFA - nice features include: MODULE COSTS.

NIFTYGetAtMe State Protectorate Caldari State 2	Posted - 2014.08.02 00:10:00 - [101] - Quote Maeltstome wrote: James Baboli wrote: O'nira wrote: James Baboli wrote: O'nira wrote: some of the numbers in this thread seem to be exaggerated just a tad. I can show you a 1500 DPS astarte. Not one I'd field, but 1500 DPS, with a tank fitted, and tackle, and maybe a link or 2. Or grid-stretching sniper vultures. Call out what you think is BS and I'll go break it with a hammer until the numbers work. please do, what does a tank fitted mean btw? does it mean it has some tank mods slapped on there or it has a realistic tank? are you gonna link me a shield astarte maybe? may as well go talos in that case. sorry for the late post I mean apparently 110k EHP, 1514 DPS, MWD's stably as long as you have cap charges and a low resist of 79.2. Linky link Sure. lets spend 3.3 BILLION ISK on a command ship. P.s. that price doesn't include the implants - its over 5.5 Billion with implants. EFT Warriors need to start using PYFA - nice features include: MODULE COSTS. Yeah dude totally. I recently put together a Phantasm and had no idea how much it cost. I used NeoCom on iPhone to calculate the total cost. It came to over 1.3 billion and my reaction was.... wait, I didn't give a flying ****. I spend the ISK I earn if I so desire, and so should anyone else.
Anonymously Toasting Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2014.08.02 01:19:00 - [102] - Quote Ok first. Yes post unicorn fits please! As someone else already posted "post fit for ***** please" cause yea, eve thanks. Second. I run missions and if I enjoy flying a ship in them I will trick it out. Coming back to eve my favorite ship is easily the Sleipnir, so look what ship instantly got pith x xl booster and boost amp. I'd gladly drop the isk for gistum ab's rep fleet gyros, pith shield hardeners and dn I'd even buy an officer web for it too (I don't even need a web, like ever, but I like using it!). I may not have a hg crystal set but you can bet I'd happily buy one if I didn't have other dumb/wasteful stuff my sweet care bear tuckus wanted first. I haven't run with my Sleipnir in low or null sec. But I have run mael's and mach's that easily cost around the 3b mark in low sec before. Would I pvp in them? Heck no I'm ** at pvp! If I could pvp and had good group to run with I would fly something stupid expensive. But don't tell me mission runners don't use stupid expensive fits on less than ideal ships cause yea, I do (and as stated, said ships invariably get put in positions they have the potential to be expensive loss mails). It is a game, and tricked out deadspace fit t2 ships are fun (besides it's a freakin 'cane hull! That's smexy!) Keep posting crazy fits, I love me some eve **! And g'damn it's fun to fantasize about some of em.
Valleria Darkmoon Convicts and Savages Shadow Cartel 291	Posted - 2014.08.02 06:05:00 - [103] - Quote Maeltstome wrote: Jonas Staal wrote: Hi all, Thanks again for the many opinions and different angles! I have another question: Since CS's are BC sized, they also have BC speed, agility and warp speed. I read somewhere that there are implants that make them able to keep up with cruiser/hac/T3's. When I looked at the warp-speed, it appears both cruiser and BC sized ships have warp speed of 1au. Are there any "cheapish" implants that make it somewhat more "like a cruiser"? EDIT: Ofcourse this speed / agility difference would be a + for T3 boosters. Nomads gives you agility - Snakes give you speed. You can use warp speed rigs as well to keep up with the fleet. Remember this though, you may arrive late to a fight with a gang of cruisers - but they will love it when a wrecking balls arrives on grid instead of another squishy cruiser. Some people fit ranged weapons (Arty's etc.) on CS's so they can hit like a truck without chasing nano-ships around and not catching them. Remember Ascendancy implants launched with ghost sites in Rubicon. A mid-grade ascendancy set would leave a Command ship waiting for his buddies in HACs to catch up out of warp. 3.8 AU/s warp speed and in fact you could even leave the omega off and replace it with the WORST available warp drive speed implant (5%) and still make 3.7 AU/s to keep up with HACs while minimizing cost, alternatively if you're able to get a hold of the top end warp speed implant (18%), you can combine it and one low slot warp speed upgrade to reach 3.6 AU/s, (no idea what the 18% costs, probably a lot). On a Damnation for example you could do that while still having over 205k EHP running 3 links with an entirely reasonable fit (free of any faction or deadspace mods and I even put 4 launchers on it). Additionally you could have both a MWD and MMJD on that fit making you pretty mobile and not so much of a liability to prevent your fleet warping out. Slaves obviously grant you a better tank but if you're concerned about your warp speed you don't give up too much for it there, the tank is still excellent. If you went the 18% warp speed implant and slaves without the omega and a 5% armor HP hardwiring (warp speed implant is slot 6) you'd push the tank over 275k. It can be done people, imagination is all that's required. EDIT: Ok, So I used a Damnation so the tank is obviously going to be fantastic anyway, sure, an Eos working to the same philosophy comes out 163k EHP, substantially worse than a Damnation but not horrible and still able to keep pace with HACs in warp. This is however, why I used the Damnation for armor linking on grid (assuming that ever happens). Reality has an almost infinite capacity to resist oversimplification.
Jonas Staal The Echo Initiative 67	Posted - 2014.08.02 07:27:00 - [104] - Quote As mentioned I was not looking for billion isk fits. I think this post served its purpose and should be locked. Probably should've been two pages ago. Thanks for the advice though!
Valleria Darkmoon Convicts and Savages Shadow Cartel 291	Posted - 2014.08.02 09:34:00 - [105] - Quote I just looked the Ascendancy mid grades are around 100 mil each in dodixie, the 5% warp speed implant isn't even 1 mil and the fit for the Damnation I was talking about is sub 300 mil including the hull. So total you're looking at about 800 mil to go that option, max. Couldn't check the price of the 18% implant didn't have one available but the 15% was only 177 mil, which is less than I had expected. Reality has an almost infinite capacity to resist oversimplification.
James Baboli Ferrous Infernum 57	Posted - 2014.08.02 10:08:00 - [106] - Quote Valleria Darkmoon wrote: I just looked the Ascendancy mid grades are around 100 mil each in dodixie, the 5% warp speed implant isn't even 1 mil and the fit for the Damnation I was talking about is sub 300 mil including the hull. So total you're looking at about 800 mil to go that option, max. Couldn't check the price of the 18% implant didn't have one available but the 15% was only 177 mil, which is less than I had expected. tthe 18% implant bottoms out at about .5B as it costs 250k concord LP and 250m isk to buy from concord. That crazy bag FC with the silly things on the hull that shouldn't but just did.
Maeltstome Twisted Insanity. The Kadeshi 549	Posted - 2014.08.04 08:59:00 - [107] - Quote NIFTYGetAtMe wrote: Maeltstome wrote: James Baboli wrote: O'nira wrote: [quote=James Baboli]please do, what does a tank fitted mean btw? does it mean it has some tank mods slapped on there or it has a realistic tank? are you gonna link me a shield astarte maybe? may as well go talos in that case. sorry for the late post I mean apparently 110k EHP, 1514 DPS, MWD's stably as long as you have cap charges and a low resist of 79.2. Linky link Sure. lets spend 3.3 BILLION ISK on a command ship. P.s. that price doesn't include the implants - its over 5.5 Billion with implants. EFT Warriors need to start using PYFA - nice features include: MODULE COSTS. Yeah dude totally. I recently put together a Phantasm and had no idea how much it cost. I used NeoCom on iPhone to calculate the total cost. It came to over 1.3 billion and my reaction was.... wait, I didn't give a flying ****. I spend the ISK I earn if I so desire, and so should anyone else. That's fine - except you're completely wasting isk. You've spend almost 3 billion on 3 tanking modules that are trash in terms of EHP gained. You should probably L2P and spend that isk on stuff that make's you an unkillable monster. With the Astarte command ship bonus you can dead-space tank it with active reps to an insane level. And you quoted numbers with implants/gang links which really make active fits shine over passive fits. But of course having all this isk to burn, you'd know that right? EFT Warriors...
Maeltstome Twisted Insanity. The Kadeshi 549	Posted - 2014.08.04 09:02:00 - [108] - Quote Jonas Staal wrote: As mentioned I was not looking for billion isk fits. I think this post served its purpose and should be locked. Probably should've been two pages ago. Thanks for the advice though! I'm afraid the forums are rife with people who have opinions on things that they have no expereince with - or have experience with things that are extremely uncommon and situational - they then use that experience and apply it in broad terms to all of Eve. You just have to live with it :(
Cydelle Abraham Aurora Armaments The Bastion 41	Posted - 2014.08.04 11:00:00 - [109] - Quote Anize Oramara wrote: Cydelle Abraham wrote: Anize Oramara wrote: An eos can have 2 gekos (and a heavy) that fly around at 4km/s (or more) and do 300+dps, each. makes for a great ratting boat as well as ive found out. Actually you would get more DPS out of your drones if you use 2 Geckos, 2 Hammerhead II's and 1 Hobgoblin II 50dps at all V with 4 damage amps between an ogre and hammers/hob. less in every other situation. considering the changes to drones you'd want to look at em or explosive to exploit resist holes in pvp and do rat specific damage in pve. then there's the bonuses to heavies from the hull as well. 50 dps that are applied faster (hammerheads are still faster than ogres and have comparable tracking even without bonuses). I don't get your argument about resists and damagetypes as ogres, hammerheads and hobgoblins all deal the same kind of damage (therm). + it's easier to get T2 medium and light drones rather than T2 heavies
Serendipity Lost Repo Industries 341	Posted - 2014.08.04 11:10:00 - [110] - Quote Jonas Staal wrote: As mentioned I was not looking for billion isk fits. I think this post served its purpose and should be locked. Probably should've been two pages ago. Thanks for the advice though! If you're ever looking to try wh, hit me up in game. We play eve, not EFT. Good luck in space!

Anize Oramara EVE Protection Agency Bloodline. 207	Posted - 2014.08.04 13:43:00 - [111] - Quote Cydelle Abraham wrote: Anize Oramara wrote: Cydelle Abraham wrote: Anize Oramara wrote: An eos can have 2 gekos (and a heavy) that fly around at 4km/s (or more) and do 300+dps, each. makes for a great ratting boat as well as ive found out. Actually you would get more DPS out of your drones if you use 2 Geckos, 2 Hammerhead II's and 1 Hobgoblin II 50dps at all V with 4 damage amps between an ogre and hammers/hob. less in every other situation. considering the changes to drones you'd want to look at em or explosive to exploit resist holes in pvp and do rat specific damage in pve. then there's the bonuses to heavies from the hull as well. 50 dps that are applied faster (hammerheads are still faster than ogres and have comparable tracking even without bonuses). I don't get your argument about resists and damagetypes as ogres, hammerheads and hobgoblins all deal the same kind of damage (therm). + it's easier to get T2 medium and light drones rather than T2 heavies dont misunderstand im not saying you are wrong, merely why I'd probably use a heavy rather than two med+light. the comment about resists/different damage types was just mentioning that if you went with em damage (generally good agains shield tankers and sansha/br) then the damage difference between a heavy and the med+light combo would be less than 50dps. also depending on what you are facing and they go after your drones a heavy might be prefered.
Pookoko Sigma Sagittarii Inc. 49	Posted - 2014.08.08 10:58:00 - [112] - Quote I will contribute from my own experience, and explain why in a small gang I fly with, I exclusively fly command ship over having an off-grid T3 booster, although I am max-skilled for all command ships and all T3s. The gang size I normally fly with has 5~6 pilots, and we compose our fleet like this 1. Command Ship (EOS or Absolution) = Boost + DPS 2. Recon (Rapier or Arazu) = Probe + Tackle + Scout + Field Control 3. 2 ships of any combination consisting of HACs/T3s Because we fly armor, the ships we use are; Deimos/Ishtar, Zealot/Sacrilege, Proteus/Legion/Loki - we pick two from any of these ships depending on mood When we have a less skilled pilot join our gang, then all armor BCs or cruisers are welcome in this section, although T2 resists really helps in a gang of this size with logi support. 4. Logi (Oneiros) : if we have 2 Logis, then Guardians can be good but we like Oneiros with its tracking links and ability to fit remote sebo+ECCM, so 2 x Oneiros is great too. If we have a Domi on the field, sometimes we cap chain the Guardian with Dominix (in this case Dominix also remote reps the Guardian as it can't use range control to stay out of fight due to having to stay within Dominix's cap transfer range) 5. Battleship (Armageddon/Tempest - for heavy neuts and DPS) or any other armor T3 or HAC (This is when we have one more pilot) I usually fly the command ship, and if I brought in an alt it would be another DPS or Recon instead of an off-grid booster. Probing can be done easily by Arazu or Rapier with great tackling ability as well as offering big advantage in field control during engagement. At the same time, a command ship offers much needed DPS and BETTER boost than T3 to boot. In a gang size of five or six, extra 600 DPS is huge. With logi support, in this size of a gang command ship will not be primaried normally because the other gang of 5 or 6, even if they are all DPS ships, will struggle to break down a command ship with logi support and links (and Slaves). EOS can have 4 links (3 armor links + 1 skirmish link) and still have drone bay full of DPS while sporting BS tank and T2 resists, and Abso with Information link (sensor integrity is what I use) can be great when the opposition has Falcon support. We can be all buffer fit, or we can even go all active as all Gallente and Amarr HACs and T3s active tank like beast. Add the links from the command ship itself + logi + drugs, you are looking at a 5 men gang that can take a gang double its size or even bigger depending on the opposition's fleet composition. Until the fleet size gets much bigger, I will not consider an off-grid booster that will sit idle somewhere while offering less boost than a command ship. PS: Yes, I LOVE Command Ships, lol. Side note: I also tried Sleipnir + shield gang with some success, and our gang members all have nice cross-trained skills for both shield and armor, but... 1) We love brawling 2) With exception of Tengu with HAMs, shield HACs and T3s have meh DPS compared to what Gallente line-up can offer (Deimos, Ishtar and Proteus), and Gallente ships are pretty mobile too even compared to shield ships when active tanked. 3) Shield recon is really flimsy in tank. This is often problematic because sometimes it's hard to survive and hang on to targets until the rest of gang arrives, especially if under sentry gun fire in low-sec or jumping into tackle a gang on its own (here, being armor tanked will let you fit multiple tackles too). T2 Trimarked and slaved armor recon on the other hand has surprisingly high EHP and great staying power on the field.
Lloyd Roses Artificial Memories Vertical. 678	Posted - 2014.08.08 13:32:00 - [113] - Quote Pookoko wrote: I will contribute from my own experience Why the npc posting :> "I honestly thought I was in lowsec"
Pookoko Sigma Sagittarii Inc. 49	Posted - 2014.08.08 15:57:00 - [114] - Quote Lloyd Roses wrote: Pookoko wrote: I will contribute from my own experience Why the npc posting :> I didn't get to where I am in eve by speaking out and showing myself in public. :p
James Baboli Ferrous Infernum 60	Posted - 2014.08.09 19:40:00 - [115] - Quote Maeltstome wrote: James Baboli wrote: O'nira wrote: James Baboli wrote: O'nira wrote: some of the numbers in this thread seem to be exaggerated just a tad. I can show you a 1500 DPS astarte. Not one I'd field, but 1500 DPS, with a tank fitted, and tackle, and maybe a link or 2. Or grid-stretching sniper vultures. Call out what you think is BS and I'll go break it with a hammer until the numbers work. please do, what does a tank fitted mean btw? does it mean it has some tank mods slapped on there or it has a realistic tank? are you gonna link me a shield astarte maybe? may as well go talos in that case. sorry for the late post I mean apparently 110k EHP, 1514 DPS, MWD's stably as long as you have cap charges and a low resist of 79.2. Linky link Sure. lets spend 3.3 BILLION ISK on a command ship. P.s. that price doesn't include the implants - its over 5.5 Billion with implants. EFT Warriors need to start using PYFA - nice features include: MODULE COSTS. Also, lets note that I am an incursion FC, with a VG box fleet or better tucked away somewhere. In a good week, I can easily make enough isk to whelp that without worrying about it. Many of the other commenters with similar fits are also quite spacerich and can actually afford to fly these. But as is so often the case, by being that space rich, and knowing how the game works at that level, they tend to win and win hard, so there aren't loss mails available. That crazy bag FC with the silly things on the hull that shouldn't but just did.
Maeltstome Twisted Insanity. The Kadeshi 566	Posted - 2014.08.11 13:07:00 - [116] - Quote James Baboli wrote: Also, lets note that I am an incursion FC, with a VG box fleet or better tucked away somewhere. In a good week, I can easily make enough isk to whelp that without worrying about it. Many of the other commenters with similar fits are also quite spacerich and can actually afford to fly these. But as is so often the case, by being that space rich, and knowing how the game works at that level, they tend to win and win hard, so there aren't loss mails available. You entirely missed the poin t - not teh cost but WHAT you spent it on. You get better performance for less isk - it's not a discussion, it's a fact. P.s. Incursions are watered down WoW raids. No one thinks running incursions makes you good at Eve. I'd be more inclined to say there aren't any loss mails from these fit's because: 90% of these fits: -Where never bought -Where never Fitted -Where never flown of the remaining 10% most of them: -May have been fitted, but never flown -Have never been used for anything but a few random missions, then mothballed and finally, of the 1% that have used them in PVP: -Most have been used in large scale ganks, probably a high-sec war (meaning enemies where unable to fight back) Final note: People who flew these wouldn't be PVP'ers (PVP'ers would spend money on effective ships instead of pointlessly shiny loss mails) - the PVE'ers who did lose them wouldn't own a Killboard or plug their API into a killboard for these to be shown.
Serendipity Lost Repo Industries 390	Posted - 2014.08.11 13:46:00 - [117] - Quote Don't dis an incursion FC.... He'll ban you from incursion chat channels and maybe even not let you in his fleet. Don't you see what is a risk here?? Tread carfully or eve will be ruined for you. No snobby shiny fleets. No leet FCs that spaz out over minor 'errors' when shooting little red plus signs.
James Baboli Ferrous Infernum 61	Posted - 2014.08.11 13:49:00 - [118] - Quote Serendipity Lost wrote: Don't dis an incursion FC.... He'll ban you from incursion chat channels and maybe even not let you in his fleet. Don't you see what is a risk here?? Tread carfully or eve will be ruined for you. No snobby shiny fleets. No leet FCs that spaz out over minor 'errors' when shooting little red plus signs. Being a bad is being a bad. Target order is target order. Both of those detract from my isk/hr and theirs and make me have to farm longer to fund the next piece of content or craziness. As for being worried about someone like that and banning him, WTF would I do that for. He won't ever try to get in, and thus won't ever find out, and so no tears. Why put in effort for no tears? That crazy bag FC with the silly things on the hull that shouldn't but just did.
Maeltstome Twisted Insanity. The Kadeshi 567	Posted - 2014.08.11 14:26:00 - [119] - Quote James Baboli wrote: Serendipity Lost wrote: Don't dis an incursion FC.... He'll ban you from incursion chat channels and maybe even not let you in his fleet. Don't you see what is a risk here?? Tread carfully or eve will be ruined for you. No snobby shiny fleets. No leet FCs that spaz out over minor 'errors' when shooting little red plus signs. Being a bad is being a bad. Target order is target order. Both of those detract from my isk/hr and theirs and make me have to farm longer to fund the next piece of content or craziness. As for being worried about someone like that and banning him, WTF would I do that for. He won't ever try to get in, and thus won't ever find out, and so no tears. Why put in effort for no tears? Incursions are a process - so you are correct: If people can't learn then get rid of them. But also remember: Incursions are a process - It's not a big achievement to be able to repeat the same actions countless times, nor is it skilled.
Goldiiee Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies 1155	Posted - 2014.08.11 14:53:00 - [120] - Quote Maeltstome wrote: James Baboli wrote: Serendipity Lost wrote: Don't dis an incursion FC.... He'll ban you from incursion chat channels and maybe even not let you in his fleet. Don't you see what is a risk here?? Tread carfully or eve will be ruined for you. No snobby shiny fleets. No leet FCs that spaz out over minor 'errors' when shooting little red plus signs. Being a bad is being a bad. Target order is target order. Both of those detract from my isk/hr and theirs and make me have to farm longer to fund the next piece of content or craziness. As for being worried about someone like that and banning him, WTF would I do that for. He won't ever try to get in, and thus won't ever find out, and so no tears. Why put in effort for no tears? Incursions are a process - so you are correct: If people can't learn then get rid of them. But also remember: Incursions are a process - It's not a big achievement to be able to repeat the same actions countless times, nor is it skilled. Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.



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