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Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
Vertical.
675
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Posted - 2014.07.27 11:04:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:CSes provide better fleet boosts but they don't cloak, don't scan and don't pull their weight in a fight. 3x stratios + 1x Legion is the way to go tbh imo. Sorry if I hurt anyone's feelings.
That's quite true. The reason to go CS over boosting T3s in wormholes though is the fact that you usually don't warp off a camped hole to set up alive, spawning in decloakrange of the hole surrounded by 10-20 cruisers with mild dictorsupport/instalegions.
"I honestly thought I was in lowsec"
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James Baboli
Ferrous Infernum
45
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Posted - 2014.07.27 12:01:00 -
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O'nira wrote:some of the numbers in this thread seem to be exaggerated just a tad.
I can show you a 1500 DPS astarte. Not one I'd field, but 1500 DPS, with a tank fitted, and tackle, and maybe a link or 2.
Or grid-stretching sniper vultures. Call out what you think is BS and I'll go break it with a hammer until the numbers work.
That crazy bag FC with the silly things on the hull that shouldn't but just did. |
Carniflex
StarHunt
Mordus Angels
259
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Posted - 2014.07.27 20:23:00 -
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About Nighthawk .. unless you want it for links it's not quite as good as Tengu in L4 missions. There are some PvE activities where it makes sense, but not solo and not in hi sec as far as I'm aware.
Tengu vs Nighthawk. Nighthawk has more buffer, less agility (and warp speed), one less rig slot. Damage wise Tengu wins unless you take into account drones so it really depends if what you are doing really benefits from flight of light drones. Tengu has less wasted volleys and substantially better range with missiles because of missile speed bonus. Both are confined to doing only kin damage most of the time. Tengu more so.
Tengu problem is that if you load it with 4x CN BCU's it's a bit too fragile to get away with it if someone takes note.
For links in shield PvE I personally would prefer usually Minmatar commands. Information warfare is not that useful for PvE usually.
I can and do fly both.
Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... *THWONK!*
GOT the bastard. |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction
The Pursuit of Happiness
1441
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Posted - 2014.07.28 11:52:00 -
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They all need more CPU. If ccp wants peopel to use on grid links then fielding the links should not hamper the fitting capabilities of the ship. Now, to use thelink slots you have to make CPU usage sacrifices. Give each one around 30 tf more.
Also all of them could gain some warp speed boost, so that they can keep along a fleet. RIght now t3 are plain superior because of that.
"If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction
The Pursuit of Happiness
1441
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Posted - 2014.07.28 11:54:00 -
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Xequecal wrote:Command ships are borderline overpowered right now, the drawback is that regular T1 battlecruisers are garbage ATM so you'll be training skills for a long time before you see any benefit.
If they were overpowered you would see them being used a lot more on small scale combat. But they are very rare on that because T3 are better most of the time and cost just a tad more.
"If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Cydelle Abraham
Aurora Armaments
The Bastion
41
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Posted - 2014.07.28 11:59:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:
Also all of them could gain some warp speed boost, so that they can keep along a fleet. RIght now t3 are plain superior because of that.
This is their biggest drawback if you ask me.
In the current meta most doctrines are kept to cruiser size and below in order to be somewhat agile and fast (in and outside of warp). If you want to bring an ongrid boosting CS with your fleet you will be slowed down because of that choice. |
Carniflex
StarHunt
Mordus Angels
261
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Posted - 2014.07.28 13:28:00 -
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Cydelle Abraham wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote:
Also all of them could gain some warp speed boost, so that they can keep along a fleet. RIght now t3 are plain superior because of that.
This is their biggest drawback if you ask me. In the current meta most doctrines are kept to cruiser size and below in order to be somewhat agile and fast (in and outside of warp). If you want to bring an ongrid boosting CS with your fleet you will be slowed down because of that choice.
You can rig it / fit it to keep up with cruisers. But that is not without it's issues (like the CPU hit from rigs, for example) and most definitely is not a "solo" concept which OP seemed to be asking for.
Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... *THWONK!*
GOT the bastard. |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
323
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Posted - 2014.07.28 16:05:00 -
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Numbers are exagerated. Please, if you've poasted bloated numbers feel free to back them up w/ a fit or screenshot.
The OP clearly stated other than pvp. Most of you ninnies are off topic.
Now that I have my rude out of the way:
I haven't flown the claymore. All the rest have been pretty awesome. My likes for pve
Nighthawk
Sleipner
Astarte
Vulture
Absolution
You have to read some of the above post carefully - they are a bit screwy.
The ASB sleipner that doesn't use cap? I'm pretty sure cap boosters are cap, and even if they aren't, when you are reloading they sure do. When you run out of boosters all together then you deplete your cap pretty quickly. PVP most fights are over before this comes up, but PVE it will come up. If you nerf your resists enough to fit 2 ASB then you'll burn through charges all the faster. Just saying some of the above advice is pretty sketchy - possibly borderline bad. |
Xequecal
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
252
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Posted - 2014.07.28 18:13:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:Xequecal wrote:Command ships are borderline overpowered right now, the drawback is that regular T1 battlecruisers are garbage ATM so you'll be training skills for a long time before you see any benefit. If they were overpowered you would see them being used a lot more on small scale combat. But they are very rare on that because T3 are better most of the time and cost just a tad more.
Can't put a MMJD on a T3.
I'm still maintaining the non-use of Command Ships is because of the skill training time, and because all of the CS prerequisite skills are pretty much worthless on their own. You can get into a T3 in like a third of the time. In addition, Cruiser V is very useful as Eve is pretty much Cruisers Online right now, BC V doesn't do **** for your character on its own as the T1 battlecruisers are pretty much relegated to suicide ganking duty and nothing else. The Sleipnir and Eos are absolutely nuts in small gang combat, T3s don't even come close. |
Alexa Coates
Space Wolves ind.
New Eden's Misfits Alliance
737
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Posted - 2014.07.28 23:27:00 -
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Goldiiee wrote:Redwyne Vyruk wrote:i misswrote what i was asking, my bad, i was asking about the boosts mainly as my boosting toons doens't have combat skills so i wont' bring him in PVP The boosts are standard and what they give you depends on what your boosting, so here's an example of the difference between a no-link ship and an linked ship. (Linked ''Boosted'' with a Vulture with T2 command links and a mindlinked clone) Without a Booster [Statistics - Goldiiee] Effective HP: 50,932 (Eve: 40,301) Tank Ability: 3,126.22 DPS Shield Resists - EM: 87.70%, Ex: 75.39%, Ki: 79.45%, Th: 80.31% Armor Resists - EM: 91.50%, Ex: 23.50%, Ki: 36.25%, Th: 72.38% Capacitor (Stable at 88.99%) Targeting range - 87,500 m Scan Res - 275.00 mm Sensor strength -23.20 Warp Align Time - 8.43s Volley Damage: 3,213.30 DPS: 1,044.15 With a Vulture T2 Links Booster, with Caldari Navy Mindlink. [Statistics - Goldiiee] Effective HP: 64,939 (Eve: 51,945) Tank Ability: 5,283.07 DPS Shield Resists - EM: 90.46%, Ex: 80.92%, Ki: 82.49%, Th: 84.74% Armor Resists - EM: 91.50%, Ex: 23.50%, Ki: 36.25%, Th: 72.38% Targeting range - 152,698 m Scan Res - 302.50 mm Sensor strength -35.21 Warp Align Time - 7.59s Capacitor (Stable at 88.99%) Volley Damage: 3,213.30 DPS: 1,044.15 So yes your Vulture pilot will add effectiveness to your other pilot, as long as it is not in warp or getting killed by the scanning toon your aggressors brought to find it. It might be good to note that the ISK spent on training and shipping and implants for a Command Links toon it could be cheaper to put top end deadspace mods on your PVP toon's frigates 
those stats, jesus christ.
post fits for the love of spooge.
That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers. |
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Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
1148
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Posted - 2014.07.28 23:40:00 -
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Alexa Coates wrote:
those stats, jesus christ.
post fits for the love of spooge.
[Sleipnir, Pain and suffering]
5x 425mm AutoCannon II (Hail M)
2x Medium Energy Neutralizer II
Gistum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
2x Large Ancillary Shield Booster (Navy Cap Booster 150)
Republic Fleet Shield Boost Amplifier
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Damage Control II
4x Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Projectile Locus Coordinator II
5x Warrior II
[Statistics - Goldiiee]
Effective HP: 68,201 (Eve: 54,339)
Tank Ability: 6,645.48 DPS
Damage Profile - (EM: 25.00%, Ex: 25.00%, Ki: 25.00%, Th: 25.00%)
Shield Resists - EM: 91.48%, Ex: 82.96%, Ki: 84.70%, Th: 86.37%
Armor Resists - EM: 91.50%, Ex: 23.50%, Ki: 36.25%, Th: 72.38%
Capacitor (Lasts 1m 36s); 4m 12s with MWD off; 9m 0s MWD on Neuts off; 90% stable of course with Neuts and MWD off
Volley Damage: 3,213.30
DPS: 1,044.15
[Implants - Missions]
Slot 1: High-grade Crystal Alpha
Slot 2: High-grade Crystal Beta
Slot 3: High-grade Crystal Gamma
Slot 4: High-grade Crystal Delta
Slot 5: High-grade Crystal Epsilon
Slot 6: High-grade Crystal Omega
Slot 7: Eifyr and Co. 'Gunslinger' Motion Prediction MR-706
Slot 8: Eifyr and Co. 'Gunslinger' Medium Projectile Turret MP-806
Slot 9: Eifyr and Co. 'Gunslinger' Surgical Strike SS-906
Slot 10: Eifyr and Co. 'Gunslinger' Large Projectile Turret LP-1006
Take into account I made a small fortune doing Incursions, then made another small fortune investing the first one in the market, this is not something you want to lose in PVP unless you have a fleet of them waiting to be boarded in Amarr.
Late Edit; these stats are with my perfect booster toon in fleet with a mindlink, without it the stats are a bit less but still impressive nonetheless.
Things that keep me up at night;-á
Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs?
Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another. |
Danny John-Peter
Snuff Box
455
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Posted - 2014.07.29 07:36:00 -
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Not gonna lie that thats a pretty bad fit.
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ChromeStriker
0ne Percent.
Odin's Call
748
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Posted - 2014.07.29 08:08:00 -
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Troll fit is troll lol
PvP... yet no point....?
Considering everything short of a battledship will be able to kite the majority of your dmg thats just a glorious killmail waiting to happen....
Small gang... its a bit slow, links would be more useful, and tbh what exactly do you expect it to do?
PvE....
A torp Phoon would prob have better application 
....And you dont need that last implant, or the neuts...
No Worries |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3400
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Posted - 2014.07.29 08:13:00 -
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ChromeStriker wrote:tbh what exactly do you expect it to do?
Sniping of course, it's obvious by the rigs.
Oh god. |
ChromeStriker
0ne Percent.
Odin's Call
748
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Posted - 2014.07.29 08:19:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:ChromeStriker wrote:tbh what exactly do you expect it to do? Sniping of course, it's obvious by the rigs.
... Max range with that fit would be... 30km... ish? Its hard in eve sometimes to figure out if someones being serious 
I was just messing around with it myself and i like an arti fit more....
No Worries |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3400
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Posted - 2014.07.29 08:20:00 -
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It adds about 0.6km optimal, I believe. lol.
Edit: I mean the rig, sorry. Ugh, sarcasm w/e.
Oh god. |
Danny John-Peter
Snuff Box
456
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Posted - 2014.07.29 08:25:00 -
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As an Aside CS are very effective, SnuffBox obviously makes a lot of use out of the Abso (TIII Tank but with added Gank), the Sleipnir and Claymore are good solo options as well, there are a lot CS can do while also looking more engagable than a TIII gang and generally having more gank than a TIII gang. |
ChromeStriker
0ne Percent.
Odin's Call
748
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Posted - 2014.07.29 08:26:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:It adds about 0.6km optimal, I believe. lol.
Edit: I mean the rig, sorry. Ugh, sarcasm w/e.
Its still quite early, and ive just been through the science and industry section... no worries...
No Worries |
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
1148
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Posted - 2014.07.29 08:52:00 -
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Yeah, My bad posted just before heading to bed. I put the wrong rig on in EVE-HQ Fitter, my bad. But you get the idea.
I sure would hope you don't attempt take this on a solo kill, as it works so much better with a Rapier partner and would just be useless alone. You guys are supposed to be the smart ones here right?
FYI, we used a T1-Rigged Version with great effect in the NEO Tournament so if you need to see how it works look up those videos.
To early to post with Quotes, but I think that covers everone's questions and comments.
Things that keep me up at night;-á
Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs?
Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another. |
Maeltstome
Twisted Insanity.
The Kadeshi
540
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Posted - 2014.07.29 09:28:00 -
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Sleipnir
That's a sort of basic brawler fit that costs nothing. At that point you can do 2 things:
Spend a few hundre million on Faction mods, or buy a set of Low/Mid-Grade Crystals - it will cost < 700mil for the full set (and half of that is the Omega). Swallow a standard Blue Pill and you're tanking >2k dps on 1 overheated XLASB.
I'd say the main reason CS's aren't used is due to how slow they are - combined with eve's tendancy to blob and hot drop anything bigger than a cruisers it makes them an easy loss-mail. |
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Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction
The Pursuit of Happiness
1443
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Posted - 2014.07.29 10:26:00 -
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Maeltstome wrote:SleipnirThat's a sort of basic brawler fit that costs nothing. At that point you can do 2 things: Spend a few hundre million on Faction mods, or buy a set of Low/Mid-Grade Crystals - it will cost < 700mil for the full set (and half of that is the Omega). Swallow a standard Blue Pill and you're tanking >2k dps on 1 overheated XLASB. I'd say the main reason CS's aren't used is due to how slow they are - combined with eve's tendancy to blob and hot drop anything bigger than a cruisers it makes them an easy loss-mail.
And what you gonna kill with that? So much tank.. so much fitting wasted on that. And your dps and cap are nothing amazing.. you are slow. At end any Hac or T3 will escape you.. and any battleship with a neut (And properly pvp fit) will defeat you.
Over tanking is a waste. Tyis ships cannot succeed (usually) in a fight that will deploy so much DPS on them anyway (because that means too many enemies tackling you and probably having logis). If you need to face so much incoming dps, then you wil be in a small gang with a logistic, otherwise your best bet is on a nano ship to try to separate enemies.
If you want to try the brute force Banzai approach, with low mobility and waste isk, then use a Hyperion. It is far better for the job.
"If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
324
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Posted - 2014.07.29 11:48:00 -
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Goldiiee wrote:Alexa Coates wrote:
those stats, jesus christ.
post fits for the love of spooge.
[Sleipnir, Pain and suffering] 5x 425mm AutoCannon II (Hail M) 2x Medium Energy Neutralizer II Gistum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field 2x Large Ancillary Shield Booster (Navy Cap Booster 150) Republic Fleet Shield Boost Amplifier Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Damage Control II 4x Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II Medium Projectile Locus Coordinator II 5x Warrior II [Statistics - Goldiiee] Effective HP: 68,201 (Eve: 54,339) Tank Ability: 6,645.48 DPS Damage Profile - (EM: 25.00%, Ex: 25.00%, Ki: 25.00%, Th: 25.00%) Shield Resists - EM: 91.48%, Ex: 82.96%, Ki: 84.70%, Th: 86.37% Armor Resists - EM: 91.50%, Ex: 23.50%, Ki: 36.25%, Th: 72.38% Capacitor (Lasts 1m 36s); 4m 12s with MWD off; 9m 0s MWD on Neuts off; 90% stable of course with Neuts and MWD off Volley Damage: 3,213.30 DPS: 1,044.15 [Implants - Missions] Slot 1: High-grade Crystal Alpha Slot 2: High-grade Crystal Beta Slot 3: High-grade Crystal Gamma Slot 4: High-grade Crystal Delta Slot 5: High-grade Crystal Epsilon Slot 6: High-grade Crystal Omega Slot 7: Eifyr and Co. 'Gunslinger' Motion Prediction MR-706 Slot 8: Eifyr and Co. 'Gunslinger' Medium Projectile Turret MP-806 Slot 9: Eifyr and Co. 'Gunslinger' Surgical Strike SS-906 Slot 10: Eifyr and Co. 'Gunslinger' Large Projectile Turret LP-1006 Take into account I made a small fortune doing Incursions, then made another small fortune investing the first one in the market, this is not something you want to lose in PVP unless you have a fleet of them waiting to be boarded in Amarr. Late Edit; these stats are with my perfect booster toon in fleet with a mindlink, without it the stats are a bit less but still impressive nonetheless.
This has nothing to do w/ the pve question that was asked and everything to do with how awesome you are. I'm over you, please do the same. |
Maeltstome
Twisted Insanity.
The Kadeshi
540
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Posted - 2014.07.29 12:08:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:Maeltstome wrote:SleipnirThat's a sort of basic brawler fit that costs nothing. At that point you can do 2 things: Spend a few hundre million on Faction mods, or buy a set of Low/Mid-Grade Crystals - it will cost < 700mil for the full set (and half of that is the Omega). Swallow a standard Blue Pill and you're tanking >2k dps on 1 overheated XLASB. I'd say the main reason CS's aren't used is due to how slow they are - combined with eve's tendancy to blob and hot drop anything bigger than a cruisers it makes them an easy loss-mail. And what you gonna kill with that? So much tank.. so much fitting wasted on that. And your dps and cap are nothing amazing.. you are slow. At end any Hac or T3 will escape you.. and any battleship with a neut (And properly pvp fit) will defeat you. Over tanking is a waste. Tyis ships cannot succeed (usually) in a fight that will deploy so much DPS on them anyway (because that means too many enemies tackling you and probably having logis). If you need to face so much incoming dps, then you wil be in a small gang with a logistic, otherwise your best bet is on a nano ship to try to separate enemies. If you want to try the brute force Banzai approach, with low mobility and waste isk, then use a Hyperion. It is far better for the job.
You are talking about text-book hi-sec war stuff. Hyperions are great for jumping into losec camps 1v10 but im afraid we don't all have stations we can sit on and de-aggress when the carebears get the numbers advantage. And that fit doesn't give a **** about neuts. 2 Small nos keeps hardeners and tackle running under neut pressure (small nos for the fast cycle time Vs heavy neuts... huehuehue?)
So while you spooge over the 700DPS your kiting cruiser does, please take into account this ship fights <5KM so it's effective damage is better than your applied damage 90% into falloff. |
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
1148
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Posted - 2014.07.29 12:09:00 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:
This has nothing to do w/ the pve question that was asked and everything to do with how awesome you are. I'm over you, please do the same.
Well thanks for thinking I am awesome, but really anyone with 5 minutes and a fitting tool can make extreme examples of Tank, DPS or Speed.
My post wasn't to make you or your wallet feel inferior it was an answer to Alexa Coates request for what fit I based those numbers on, I wasn't going to reply to your sarcastic remark at all hence why I didn't quote you in the post.
And as a final remark, when I do use this for PVE (Epic Arcs and LVL4's, with a slightly different setup) I might need one or two cycles from the ASB to complete most any mission. So for PVE it works very well if you like the 'get up close and brawl' or have spawns that land on top of you.
Things that keep me up at night;-á
Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs?
Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another. |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
325
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Posted - 2014.07.29 14:16:00 -
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Your ship fit is nutty. Your need for maxed out implants to fly your nutty ship is nutty.
If you actually built that mess and actually jump into that clone to fly said mess.... you remind me of an acorn.
Your personal recovery plan:
1. Delete EFT and don't re download it for 4 months (you will survive)
2. Run a few missions in a maelstrom (see.... you don't NEED all that crap)
3. Stop hanging out w/ the max/min ninnies that blitz incursions
4. Have some fun |
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
1148
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Posted - 2014.07.29 14:34:00 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:Your ship fit is nutty. Your need for maxed out implants to fly your nutty ship is nutty.
If you actually built that mess and actually jump into that clone to fly said mess.... you remind me of an acorn.
Your personal recovery plan:
1. Delete EFT and don't re download it for 4 months (you will survive)
2. Run a few missions in a maelstrom (see.... you don't NEED all that crap)
3. Stop hanging out w/ the max/min ninnies that blitz incursions
4. Have some fun
And again you missed the point, is it endemic, or just apathetic, it is a Theoretical fit to Demonstrate how you get 1000dps and a 6k tank as requested.
And your remarks strike me as someone that still struggles in the game, with an attitude of 'If I can't afford it then it must be a waste' but I digress.
key words here to help with your next post;
Theoretical
Demonstrate
Your prescription;
Uninstall EVE and go play Solitaire, then you can finally achieve your dream of being the smartest guy in the game.
Things that keep me up at night;-á
Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs?
Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another. |
Maeltstome
Twisted Insanity.
The Kadeshi
541
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Posted - 2014.07.29 15:28:00 -
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I believe the world you where looking for was demonstrable - don't try and use big words to make yourself look intelligent.
A better word would have been practical
And I'm forced to agree with some other posters - your fit isn't even theoretical, it's a unicorn. Find me one and we'll talk. |
Jonas Staal
The Echo Initiative
67
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Posted - 2014.07.29 15:36:00 -
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Thanks for all the comments, they are very helpfull!
As for the theory crafting, I'm glad to see how, and which numbers CS are able to reach.
I am looking to use it however, without putting a 1+invuln on it, or using a 500mil+ clone. |
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
1148
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Posted - 2014.07.29 16:03:00 -
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Maeltstome wrote:I believe the world you where looking for was demonstrable - don't try and use big words to make yourself look intelligent.
A better word would have been practical
And I'm forced to agree with some other posters - your fit isn't even theoretical, it's a unicorn. Find me one and we'll talk.
You thought those were big confusing words?
Things that keep me up at night;-á
Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs?
Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another. |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
325
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Posted - 2014.07.29 16:34:00 -
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ninny
nutty
acorn
these are words I understand |
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