the situation of the average joe, who previously was at the mercy of criminals.

Unless I-RED provides information that demonstrates otherwise, it would appear that they actually still are.

That point where Kim and Thiesant are on the same side.

You must be doing something right Oniseki-haan.

That point where Kim and Thiesant are on the same side.

My specific issue with the "freedom and liberty" bit really wasn't so much that you were disrespecting the "great and mighty and unflappable pillars of Federation virtue", but moreso that it seemed oddly out of place and snippy in an otherwise very professionally worded document. That's why I thought it might have just been a joke.

From the report, it looks the the "civilizing" was done by the Amarrians. That excuse hasn't ended well for the people being "civilized" in the past.

As you wrote that in response to an Amarrian, it should come with little surprise that I'm not agreeing at all. Especially for those that converted freely it ended quite well. Take, for example, the Khanid.

Well, I suppose since I'm home and in my nightgown, I can address the important concerns of the IGS. This is, after all, my favorite part of the day.


First of all, the contract. Technically we had no real legal authority over the colonies under SCC law. By we, I mean the capsuleer outfit known as Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive. However, the contracts were not signed under I-RED. They were signed under what could best be described as a shell company that simply represented us in a manner that was legal. Could we, the capsuleers, bomb them into submission with our ships? No. Did we? Also, no. I'll get to that part later. See, the reality is that as a capsuleer you can't really do much of anything under your own name. You can't even buy a dress at a store with that ISK... unless it's that NEX thing.

So, I-RED did on a larger scale what we all do on smaller scales. We use a shell company - whether it be our own or somebody else's - to make the transactions for us in a legal manner that bypasses the SCC. It's a legal grey-area depending on where you are, and fortunately for those colonies - "grey area" in the Syndicate with no government to represent you usually ends up meaning "legal". Would that shell be legal in the Federation or State? Probably not, because it wasn't registered or drafted according to those legal intricacies.

Now on to the word "Sterilized". I must apologize for my affection toward that particular word. I like the way it sounds. It leaves the results feeling 'clean' and 'sanitary for business'. Did we kill anybody who wasn't already shooting at us? I don't think so, no. Certainly not intentionally. Did we kill people at all? Yes. The total lethal-response count stands at 65 cases confirmed and 12 still under investigation. We do actually take it quite seriously. Of those 65, 44 were confirmed or strongly suspected Serpentis operatives while the remaining were violent crimes.

As for my ill manners about "freedom" and "liberty", you must understand I've been working for several years in a place where those two words have meant very little good. They may be bastions and safeguards of civilization in Federal highsec, but they are NOT seen so ideally here. I'm also not Gallentean. I'm Caldari, and I don't run a business of idealism. Freedom and Liberty are idealist philosophies put to law, which I find to be a dangerous and ineffective means of life. Nonetheless, most of the planning was not handled by myself - but by a panel of other Caldari who are equally uninterested in holding up Federal ideals in a completely unrelated region and situation.

As for a guided tour of these locations, I suppose we can work with that, yes. I'll even throw in a tour of the sterilized colony, just to lay these mass murder concerns to rest.

The only thing that struck me as particularly sketchy in the announcement was the fact that I-RED was aware that the contracts they were having signed were not actually valid, and that they withheld that information from the signers.

As for Kimmy, the Intaki are part of the Federation. A portion of them did support the Caldari when they ceded from the Federation, but they as a people remain citizens. A Galnet search can verify this if you don't believe me. As for comparing them to the syndicate and Mordu's legion, those are both privately owned corps, not comparable to a race of people.

That point where Kim and Thiesant are on the same side.

You must be doing something right Oniseki-haan.

First of all, the contract. Technically we had no real legal authority over the colonies under SCC law. By we, I mean the capsuleer outfit known as Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive. However, the contracts were not signed under I-RED. They were signed under what could best be described as a shell company that simply represented us in a manner that was legal. Could we, the capsuleers, bomb them into submission with our ships? No. Did we? Also, no. I'll get to that part later. See, the reality is that as a capsuleer you can't really do much of anything under your own name. You can't even buy a dress at a store with that ISK... unless it's that NEX thing.

So, I-RED did on a larger scale what we all do on smaller scales. We use a shell company - whether it be our own or somebody else's - to make the transactions for us in a legal manner that bypasses the SCC. It's a legal grey-area depending on where you are, and fortunately for those colonies - "grey area" in the Syndicate with no government to represent you usually ends up meaning "legal". Would that shell be legal in the Federation or State? Probably not, because it wasn't registered or drafted according to those legal intricacies.

Now on to the word "Sterilized". I must apologize for my affection toward that particular word. I like the way it sounds. It leaves the results feeling 'clean' and 'sanitary for business'. Did we kill anybody who wasn't already shooting at us? I don't think so, no. Certainly not intentionally. Did we kill people at all? Yes. The total lethal-response count stands at 65 cases confirmed and 12 still under investigation. We do actually take it quite seriously. Of those 65, 44 were confirmed or strongly suspected Serpentis operatives while the remaining were violent crimes.

As for my ill manners about "freedom" and "liberty", you must understand I've been working for several years in a place where those two words have meant very little good. They may be bastions and safeguards of civilization in Federal highsec, but they are NOT seen so ideally here. I'm also not Gallentean. I'm Caldari, and I don't run a business of idealism. Freedom and Liberty are idealist philosophies put to law, which I find to be a dangerous and ineffective means of life. Nonetheless, most of the planning was not handled by myself - but by a panel of other Caldari who are equally uninterested in holding up Federal ideals in a completely unrelated region and situation.

As for a guided tour of these locations, I suppose we can work with that, yes. I'll even throw in a tour of the sterilized colony, just to lay these mass murder concerns to rest.

As you wrote that in response to an Amarrian, it should come with little surprise that I'm not agreeing at all. Especially for those that converted freely it ended quite well. Take, for example, the Khanid.

The Intaki are part of the Federation, so warring with the Feds means warring with the Intaki.

Emphasis mine.

That's the key word here, "freely". Anyone that did not do it freely had a bad time. That said, we should probably have this conversation another time if you wish. I already know where this is going to go and this thread isn't the place for it I'm afraid.

I'm sure ms. en Diabel would find this rather humorous.

The point is, noone was forced to convert in this specific case: In fact, there were colonies refusing to take in missionaries at all and whose refusal was respected. Only the colony that directly expressed their refusal through violence was excised from the program - not for their refusal, but for that violent reaction.

I suppose you're correct. Forgive me though, for I'm still not completely confident in this.

*whispers* Racism!

Be honest, you saw a Deteis, heard the word 'sterilise' and a lot of you made your minds up right then and there...

Please tell me you aren't serious.

Don't call me 'Shirley'.... Oh... wow... Way to screw up the joke, Fred...

Lies and anti-Caldari propaganda.
I would never stay on his side, I'd better kill myself!

My primary concern with this comes from a rather textbook imperialistic takeover of these colonies. Normally the State is quite opposed to such ventures. While I-RED does not represent the whole State, they have been known to uphold traditional State values. As a result I have to ask, were these forced conversions and influx of State and Amarrian culture truly necessary for this project's success if it is the humanitarian operation you claim it to be?

You say this.....