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Skokeh
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Posted - 2003.10.01 13:39:00 -
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I was podded in a 1.0 system (luminaire) by a -4.6 pirate (red corsairs)
can someone explain how this is possible?
is this s cheat>?
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.10.01 13:42:00 -
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if you shoot back the cops come... LOL
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Skokeh
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Posted - 2003.10.01 13:47:00 -
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so - what, this is a bug or cheat?
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Chai N'Dorr
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Posted - 2003.10.01 13:48:00 -
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'Easy', just do massive amounts of damage before the cops show up, then you can pod someone.
Don't think you'd survive for long tho'.
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2003.10.01 13:50:00 -
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Did he do it with missiles?
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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jello
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Posted - 2003.10.01 13:50:00 -
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As far as I can gather this is a bug, anyone with a -4 + secuirty status should be challenged by concord, but obviously they are not.
However, some players with security status as low as 0.8 have been podded by concord.
This seems a little unfait to pirates and neutral players alike. I suggest you do as I and petition ccp.
In the meantime watch your arse, anyone in a bigger ship with security status at -4+ is not going to invite you for a cup of tea and a biscuit.
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2003.10.01 13:55:00 -
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What were you flying, what was he flying, and how long did the battle last?
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Skokeh
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Posted - 2003.10.01 13:55:00 -
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Edited by: Skokeh on 01/10/2003 13:57:25
no - just sat there and killed me
quickly mind, but the police failed to do anything....
shall we consider 1.0 space as threatening now CCP?
An Indy, so probably not very long
I was hauling for a friend and went to make a cup of tea, came back to my pod....
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.10.01 14:01:00 -
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As far as I can gather this is a bug, anyone with a -4 + secuirty status should be challenged by concord, but obviously they are not.
However, some players with security status as low as 0.8 have been podded by concord.
This seems a little unfait to pirates and neutral players alike. I suggest you do as I and petition ccp.
In the meantime watch your arse, anyone in a bigger ship with security status at -4+ is not going to invite you for a cup of tea and a biscuit.
-5.0 is KoS for Concord/Sentry guns
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
jello
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Posted - 2003.10.01 14:01:00 -
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Was flying a rifter, attacked laser cannons only at gate surrounded with concord, the player was not even approached.
I know of other players with security status of 0.8, who were attacked as soon as they entered the gate.
This has got to be bug/cheat.
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jello
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Posted - 2003.10.01 14:02:00 -
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Edited by: jello on 01/10/2003 14:02:50
"-5.0 is KoS for Concord/Sentry guns"
How come players of status 0.8 are being attacked??
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.10.01 14:03:00 -
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it is a bug. players in the 'gray zone' -.1 to -4.9 are not attacked it seems.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.10.01 14:07:00 -
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Edited by: jello on 01/10/2003 14:02:50
"-5.0 is KoS for Concord/Sentry guns"
How come players of status 0.8 are being attacked??
Because they're the ones experiencing a bug. -5.0 has always been the breakpoint for KoS to Concord.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.10.01 14:12:00 -
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Personally, I feel that you *should* be able to gank someone in 1.0. As long as you leave immediately.
But I don't think you should be able to gank *everyone*.
Of course, this rules out 'real' pirating, toll demands, etc., as the second you jam someone, the cops will fry you.
I think the speed at which concord can assemble and warp a fleet is far, far too quick.
Concord commander: OMG! someone turned on a webifier! SCRAMBLE!
<5 seconds later>
Concord Cheif: k, we killed him.
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not right.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.10.01 14:12:00 -
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"it is a bug. players in the 'gray zone' -.1 to -4.9 are not attacked it seems."
... Oh my; harvest time.... :s
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Serge
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Posted - 2003.10.01 14:18:00 -
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Skokeh - got any response from CCP? would be interesting to know how this will be handled
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Skokeh
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Posted - 2003.10.01 14:19:00 -
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Edited by: Skokeh on 01/10/2003 14:20:16
erm, surely the point of a 1.0 is that it is entirely safe (the real reason being it is for n00bs and if they could be killed the ever-dwindling player-base will get even lower very quickly...)
I agreee that Concord should not be UBER and unplayable - but, IMO 1.0 space should be SAFE
if its not and something changed, i'd like to know....
Serge - i am awaiting a GM to get back to me after being told it has been escalated to their queue
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Ashton Black
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Posted - 2003.10.01 14:22:00 -
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And what was the result of your petition then? Interested to hear that one.
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NymphoGrrrl
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Posted - 2003.10.01 14:59:00 -
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Quote:
Personally, I feel that you *should* be able to gank someone in 1.0. As long as you leave immediately.
But I don't think you should be able to gank *everyone*.
Of course, this rules out 'real' pirating, toll demands, etc., as the second you jam someone, the cops will fry you.
I think the speed at which concord can assemble and warp a fleet is far, far too quick.
Concord commander: OMG! someone turned on a webifier! SCRAMBLE!
<5 seconds later>
Concord Cheif: k, we killed him.
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not right.
griefers always whine when they can't grief
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Skokeh
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Posted - 2003.10.01 15:00:00 -
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Response was as follows:
It was a Legitimate hit -
He was killed soon after killing me by concord, so they were just not quick enough
so - is there now nowhere safe for an indy to be?
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.10.01 15:11:00 -
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Quote:
Quote:
Personally, I feel that you *should* be able to gank someone in 1.0. As long as you leave immediately.
But I don't think you should be able to gank *everyone*.
Of course, this rules out 'real' pirating, toll demands, etc., as the second you jam someone, the cops will fry you.
I think the speed at which concord can assemble and warp a fleet is far, far too quick.
Concord commander: OMG! someone turned on a webifier! SCRAMBLE!
<5 seconds later>
Concord Cheif: k, we killed him.
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not right.
griefers always whine when they can't grief
idiots always post when they don't know what the hell they're talking about...
Find me someone I have griefed. I challenge you.
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Erty
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Posted - 2003.10.01 15:11:00 -
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Edited by: jello on 01/10/2003 14:02:50
"-5.0 is KoS for Concord/Sentry guns"
How come players of status 0.8 are being attacked??
Probably -5.0 with the sentry guns' faction.
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.10.01 15:12:00 -
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you probably 'griefed' him by pointing out his stupidity.
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Redan Chulipa
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Posted - 2003.10.01 15:12:00 -
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It's just like in life, if someone wants to kill you he pretty much can regardless, he just can't expect to get away with it.
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agrizla
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Posted - 2003.10.01 15:21:00 -
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Quote:
Response was as follows:
It was a Legitimate hit -
He was killed soon after killing me by concord, so they were just not quick enough
so - is there now nowhere safe for an indy to be?
No. Nor should there be. Find me one, just one multiplayer PvP game where it is safe to wander off and make a cup of tea.
1.0 should be almost 100% safe (which it is), but it should be possible to kill anyone, anywhere. Escaping is another matter entirely.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.10.01 15:24:00 -
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1.0 should be almost 100% safe (which it is), but it should be possible to kill anyone, anywhere. Escaping is another matter entirely.
This is pretty much what I meant.
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agrizla
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Posted - 2003.10.01 15:31:00 -
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Quote:
This is pretty much what I meant.
I know  Sometimes these things need to be spelled out though.
To everyone : Seriously people this is a multiplayer PvP game! You can't just wander off and expect your ship to still be there unless it's docked. You can do it with almost 100% certainty that it will be there when you return - and to be honest that is pretty much about the best you can hope for - but for God's sake stop complaining when it isn't.
It's a game for heaven's sake - not real life 
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Cao Cao
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Posted - 2003.10.01 15:52:00 -
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-5.0 is not the breaking point for CONCORD. You can't enter 1.0 space with a -2.0 rating without CONCORD blowing you to bits, unless there is a bug or exploit involved.
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WhiteDwarf
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Posted - 2003.10.01 16:09:00 -
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"Personally, I feel that you *should* be able to gank someone in 1.0. As long as you leave immediately"
Typical griefer mentality, #1 reason why this game is failing...
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.10.01 16:32:00 -
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Typical griefer mentality, #1 reason why this game is failing...
I'd ask you to stop being such a loser. But you can't change a person's nature.
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Mars Mar
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Posted - 2003.10.01 16:37:00 -
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Okey it sure sucks to get killed in a 1.0 system, but relly how often does it happen?
i think it's like it is with everything else, nothing in the world is completely safe.
I mean if the pirate gets into a 1.0 system he obviously takes a great risk, it's his problem. Well let em' gamble damnit, sometimes even pirates get lucky
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Skokeh
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Posted - 2003.10.01 16:39:00 -
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 as to my original post then - i agree i died, big deal, get over it skokeh - ill make a comeback
But the concept:
-4.8 pirate in a 1.0 system? and he killed me before cops could show?
was it a donut break?
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Needo
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Posted - 2003.10.01 16:54:00 -
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Suiciding Alts and Hauling 1st's are lame... Just an opinion.
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pooti
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Posted - 2003.10.01 17:47:00 -
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Edited by: pooti on 01/10/2003 17:52:30
Edited by: pooti on 01/10/2003 17:49:07
Edited by: pooti on 01/10/2003 17:48:33
Quote:
I was podded in a 1.0 system (luminaire) by a -4.6 pirate (red corsairs)
can someone explain how this is possible?
is this s cheat>?
I didn't pod you. I tried, but I only had light missiles left and Concord got me. I did pod someone elses alt in Luminaire last night, though (paul, ppaul, and pppaul were all afk mining there).
I guess I should give some background before everyone gets on me for mindless griefing.
I haven't always been a pirate. Generally, I'm an extremely friendly pilot and many people will vouch for that. I regularly donate fully equipped Rifters and money for skills to noobs (even now) and have helped with ore thiefs and donated isk to people short on cash (w/o expectations of repayment). Sadly, some of the ore thief hunting left me with a mild negative security status, something like -.4. I soon found myself a frequent target in systems like Luminaire; generally without any warning or interest in why my security status was negative. I accepted this, and found much nice loot from ships owned by Concord, but it was still rather annoying. A little over a week ago, I was attacked *three* times while AFK mining in Luminaire. Twice, I lost Hoarders.
It was the final attack that really got to me. A guy in local (named Woodward) was asking for 100isk to send a message. I gladly sent him 10x that. Soon after a corp of alts began asking about ore thiefs in local. Apparently they were all suited up in Kestrels and prepared to take them out. Whatever; I had nothing to worry about, I was always friendly and had helped take down ore thiefs in the past.
Well, one of their guys came across me and took out my indy because of my SS. Woodward applauded them and denied I had donated the isk.
And so my personal war with Luminaire began. I'm sick of the whining, of the self-righteous pilots who claim to be there to help but are only motivated by want of destruction and ego-stroking. Last night, I took action.
Armed only with a Kestrel and heavy missiles, I set out for AFK miners, with goals of both profit and disruption in Luminaire. My first target was ppaul and it went flawlessly. I was able to destroy his Bestower and warp away before Concord showed up. After consulting a group of friends, it was decided that with all the alts mining he was probably hoarding ISK for ebay. He was podded. This time Concord showed up, but I managed to warp before I was jammed.
Next up was our friend Skokeh. Same thing, except this time I scored over 10m isk in cargo expanders. I tried to pod, but I only had light missiles left and Concord warped in and jammed me before I could finish. Probably a good thing, since my SS would have dipped below -5. Sad, but a profitable night.
I do not regret my attacks or my shift of alliance from miner-friendly to pirate. I still do hold morals - I will never attack a noob or fellow Minmatar. I hope others will follow my path and bring Luminaire to chaos; I salute Shockandawe for his consistently entertaining (and effective) efforts.
As the first pilot to attack me said, "space is a dangerous place."
Do not be fooled by system security ratings - you are vulnerable at any and every asteroid belt and it is unwise to equip expensive mods while afk for long periods of time. Stay vigilant, as I, and hopefully others, will soon be back.
Regards,
Pooti
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pooti
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Posted - 2003.10.01 17:54:00 -
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Edited by: pooti on 01/10/2003 17:57:08
Also, it should be noted that I got most of the ideas from my tactics from those vigilantes that patrol Luminaire for ore thiefs and other riff-raff. Thanks guys, you've really made thinks better there!
Also, I was able to get into and Luminaire and equip my ship because I started the night at -.7.
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pooti
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Posted - 2003.10.01 18:01:00 -
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Suiciding Alts and Hauling 1st's are lame... Just an opinion.
I agree, this is why I used my main character, unlike the cowardly ore thief patrol.
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NoHawker
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Posted - 2003.10.01 18:14:00 -
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Sorry there Skokeh but me and the boys where busy stuffing our faces with delicious jelly filled chocolate covered donuts. That same day we also had an appointment with some shady individuals to pick up our ahem... "bonuses"
Tell you what, fill out a report and lets see if me and the boys can find this ***** and break his knee caps for you.
Pats Skokeh on his shoulder before leaving
What are you going to do?
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Skokeh
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Posted - 2003.10.01 18:18:00 -
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pooti convo me ;)
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Cptn Stardust
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Posted - 2003.10.01 22:10:00 -
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it should be that ships can be damaged / destroyed even in 1.0 systems
(Concord should pursue and give extreme outlaw status to anyone pod-killing in 1.0 though - KOS status to the offender)
1.0 systems should be the safest system generally speaking, but the risk should always be there, or what? the 1.0 systems would fill up with those afk indy miners, and they would never venture out of 1.0
(ccp how about putting a slower respawn on scordite roids in 1.0 except for newb starter systems, just as little nudge to get some people to take some more risks)
It should be a requirement to have player's focus and attention, unless this is to become an afk mining auto-script simulator
Occasionaly either player or npc pirates should raid, even into 1.0 systems (perhaps for a short time) - glad to see things like that coming into the storyline recently |
Destruct
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Posted - 2003.10.01 22:49:00 -
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Edited by: Destruct on 01/10/2003 22:50:09
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1.0 systems should be the safest system generally speaking, but the risk should always be there, or what? the 1.0 systems would fill up with those afk indy miners, and they would never venture out of 1.0
(ccp how about putting a slower respawn on scordite roids in 1.0 except for newb starter systems, just as little nudge to get some people to take some more risks)
It should be a requirement to have player's focus and attention, unless this is to become an afk mining auto-script simulator
it's not afk-mining that stips belts in 1.0 systems. it's bs's stripmining in groups. i mean, how much does an afk-miner mine? best cargohold can take about 40k scord and that takes several hours to mine. that's nothing compared...
You can get more of what you want with a kind word and a gun than you can with just a kind word. - Al Capone
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Mister Case
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Posted - 2003.10.01 23:41:00 -
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http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=34317
I have been experimenting lately with Concord response times and reactions in high sec space and I've found that even in a 1.0 Concord doesn't always respond, even with a neg sec rating like -4.3. However, station guns ALWAYS fire on me now.
You simply cannot count on Concord for total protection in even a 1.0 system. I have isolated one behavior that seems to consistantly delay their appearance - I'm sure there are others (I will find them as well).
While I'm at it, I'll introduce you all to my new and more lethal counterpart - Muse. She's got a mind for murder and a body for sin, and she's ganking a character near you SOON. |
pooti
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Posted - 2003.10.02 00:03:00 -
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Concord responds faster when you attack a pod then when you attack a ship, from what I can tell.
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Ganja
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Posted - 2003.10.02 00:10:00 -
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Quote:
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Edited by: jello on 01/10/2003 14:02:50
"-5.0 is KoS for Concord/Sentry guns"
How come players of status 0.8 are being attacked??
Because they're the ones experiencing a bug. -5.0 has always been the breakpoint for KoS to Concord.
You guys are speaking out your ass..
-2.5 is KoS in a 1.0
-3 is KoS in a .9
etc
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.10.02 00:45:00 -
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Quote:
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Edited by: jello on 01/10/2003 14:02:50
"-5.0 is KoS for Concord/Sentry guns"
How come players of status 0.8 are being attacked??
Because they're the ones experiencing a bug. -5.0 has always been the breakpoint for KoS to Concord.
You guys are speaking out your ass..
-2.5 is KoS in a 1.0
-3 is KoS in a .9
etc
Sorry, haven't carried a neg sec rating in a while. But while it was lower than -2.5 (took a sec hit for assisting in the destruction of my attacker and took 5 Concord out in the escape attempt), I definately wasn't KoS anywhere.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.10.02 00:54:00 -
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I figure anyone who has the balls to open fire in 1.0 deserves at least a chance to win.
Veruna Caseti
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2003.10.02 08:01:00 -
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Any chance of a response from CCP on what 1.0 systems are supposed to be like, instead of worthless opinions from other players on what they're supposed to be like? As if it was up to us anyway
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Dufas
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Posted - 2003.10.02 08:18:00 -
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i was in a mammoth in a 1.0 system and had my ship attacked and destroyed then they player killed me (thank god for clones) and nothing happened to the guy...WTF!!!
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Estios
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Posted - 2003.10.02 09:11:00 -
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Quote 'Why was someone with 0.8 attacked by sentries?'
Well probably because they had low faction rating. Hitting convoys etc lowers your faction but not your sec thus sentries and faction police will attack you .....you'd really be wise to know about factions , especially as you seem to be a friend of Miso 
Quote 'I was podded'
But then you said you came back to see your pod sitting there ? Perhaps this is just my terminology but to me podded means killed and recloned ? His sec would have dropped below -5 from -4.6 if he podded you but not if he merely destroyed your Indy which you seem to suggest.
Quote ' Wouldnt Concord have killed him'
They certainly should have come to attack him but it is possible to survive this. I have been attacked by concord at a gate before and found them to be less Uber than I beleived and was able to survive for 60 secs and then jump out of system.
I dont see any bugs or issues or exploits at all but I do feel for you , 1.0 Space should be safe.
I think you have said he was killed by Concord so chances are that possibly he lost more from this than you.
If you did lose a valuable cargo I can only say that going afk when you are carrying something you dont want to lose isnt too wise.
So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
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