Conclusion: Troll

Not a very good troll, yeah.

Figured you would pop in here with some sort of smartass remark. You positively did not fail to disappoint. Noted.

You aren't very good at trolling.

Well if you will make completely obviously slanted comments, then respond to people calling your BS with this what do you expect?

The first thing you said you "tested" (and thats giving you the benefit of the doubt and sayin you actually DID do it) is something that people who complain High Sec is nerfed are AGAINST.

Even by the standards of what you are trying to test, the first thing that you claim to have done would naturally have the opposite effect than the one you claim to be testing.

But dont worry, Im sure Tippia will be a long shortly to bite and have the pointless argument you so desperately crave.

OK this has already been mentioned..... IDGAFF

And it shows.

Up your game. I think we deserve better.

All of these high sec nerfs also happened in every other area of space.

buh bye

Attempt: I got a Harby.... lets go do some lvl 3 missions. The ship bounties arent great but its something to do and the salvage can net some good isk.

Result: Man these MTU's are a boon for salvaging. They pull everything in and I got a destroyer with 8 salvagers. Missions are easy with a Harbinger. Making a little bit of isk. After about 2 storylines I'm getting sleepy.

...

Kinda glad I didnt subscribe and still on a trial account. Game doesnt seem to have much going for it.
Discuss

Skill at operating Amarr battlecruisers. Can not be trained on Trial Accounts.

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Note for trolls.


If I say buh bye, that means I no longer pay attention to you... so keep posting links that I wont click and whining that I wont read. If you want to talk about the topic of hi-sec buffs. I'm right there for you.

That's okay

Its not possible for us to have a discussion with a liar either

I sense that Dinsdale will be here shortly to support you completly and outline exactly how all these nerfs are because Goons control CCP...

In leu of that I suggest you try station trading... in Tinfoil

Evidently folks are scared to talk about the topic of hisec buffs.

Tennej, the plural of anecdote is not evidence. It's just several cool stories.

Evidently you are scared to address the obvious lie in your post (not inclusive of the point I have already made that you have ignored in favour of callign anyone who points either out a troll)

Dont care what the plural of blah bloopity bue blah

Wait, wait, I know that one. I heard it on of my daughter's brain damaged TV shows.

Probably Dora.

Buh bye

Interesting experiments. I'll comment on the items I have tried out.

-Explo in hisec. You didn't try it, but I'm not sure you'll be excited by the results. The UI has changed but that's for explo everywhere. The loot is dismal if you happen to find anything that hasn't already been cleared.

-Mining. The cure to multiboxing fleets in your belt is an alt gank. Er, I mean anticompetitive violence is very uncool, and I like bunnies.

-Ice mining multiboxers. These guys clean house effectively and quickly. I haven't had any success ganking to clear the belt for myself (too slow). Null (I've gotten lucky) and WH (haven't tried) would be better in my opinion.

-Salvaging. The MTU is quite interesting. I like dessie salvager with multi MTU looting setup when doing some work for Pro Synergy. I don't have standings for L4, but people generally recommend blitzing and not wasting time to salvage/loot.

I don't have enough experience in EVE to comment on your over-arching point.

I dont think this means what you think it means

Are you going to explain how you were flying a Harb on a trial account or not?

Given that you wont, we can only assume the rest of your "facts" are also lies.

What, I remembered what it's from.

A "Blooper" is what they call those squid guys in Mario!

http://www.mariowiki.com/Blooper

Somebody isnt reading.... just whining..... might want to go back to page one and start over. I cant see the forest because the trees are in the way....

Hello again Salvos

POS standings requirement dropped, industry slots dropped (no more conjestion), POCOs can now be player owned.

I am in complete agreement that Hi-sec needed a nerf. I can see you posted just a few examples where this change was necessary.

So where is the issue?

OK page 3 now and No Hi-sec buffs as of yet... C'Mon tolls I know there has to be some somewhere. Its always mentioned It the nerf hi-sec threads.....

If this would cause you to drop it (kinda doubt it)... here:
- Average and Large deposits of Hedbergite, Hemorphite and Jaspet are not common, but they can be found easily. Open Dotlan and look for systems where the amount of jumps is very low. Oh, and by the way, these "hidden belts" are not so hidden any more, because you don't actually need to scan them down any more. Old Gravimetric sites are now available in the on-bard scanner;

- You have highsec incursions - almost all the benefits of the incursion with a safety of higsec;

- You have Ghost Sites in highsec now - all the benefits of the Ghost Sites with a safety of highsec;

- Highsec hass seen an increase in Level4 SoE agents across all empires. You can now farm Sisters Probes, launchers, implants and ships (Astero, Stratios, Nestor) as much as you like by doing plain old level 4 missions;

- Standing requirements for anchoring a POS have been removed. You can anchor a tower without having to grind for faction standing;

- You can now anchor towers pretty much anywhere, including 1.0 security systems (except in highly congested systems like Jita). Combined with removal of faction standing requirements, that's a huge boost right there;

- Industry slots are removed from the game. Highsec stations can now support unlimited amount of industrial activity in them;

- 4 highsec faction epic arcs were added which pay considerably more than regular level 4 missions. The best part is, they are not one-time feature, like COSMOS, but can be farmed every 3 months. Not a major buff, but it's a buff anyway;

- ship changes, especifically the agility changes for large ships, have boosted the demand for Nomad implants. You can safely farm them in highsec part of Molden Heath region in Minmatar space (Thukker agents)

I think that should be enough.

This thread reminds me thinking of creationist christians.

Observation: i dont know how this happened

Conclusion: It was god

well it takes somebody like me to keep the forums interesting and fresh :)

Sure, I can get on board with that. Everyone has a place here.

So, when you gonna start?

OK this is what I'm talking about......somebody that actually freaking knows. I use the SoE one when I'm not pretending to be a new player :) ALL the POS/Industry crap I guess I need to play with and see if its worth a crap. Love the Nomad idea. If lvl 4's can farm those implants that would be golden.

Cant really get with you on the hidden belts because... well anoms really hidden? and werent they there before the exploration changes?


You are right on the money about one thing tho. I won't drop any of this because..... well it takes somebody like me to keep the forums interesting and fresh :) More importantly tho... I still have 11 jumps left.

OK this is what I'm talking about......somebody that actually freaking knows. I use the SoE one when I'm not pretending to be a new player :)

Industry is worth it if you want to put some effort in it... it's not a a passive income source. You'll need a bit of investment ISK to start the ball rolling, but it starts to pay off pretty quickly if you calculated your expenses and profit correctly.

Yes, level 4 agents are available for Thukker faction in highsec. Since it's a whole new faction (not directly connected to Minmatar empire), you'll need to get some standings with them by starting from lower level agents first. Luckily, the lower level agents are also located in Minmatar higsec space.

Before the exploration changes, the Gravimetric sites (which are Ore sites), were scanned down using probes because they were belonging to Cosmic Signatures. That has changed and they are now listed as Cosmic Anomalies and can be warped to directly by using only the on-board scanner. There are still many highsec systems where there are only 1-5 pilots in local (if any). Sure, they are a bit far from the trade hubs, but with the Compression Array as a POS module that can be anchored in highsec (you needed a Rorqual for that before), transporting huge amounts of ore isn't that demanding now. Basically, you can mine for a month, compress it and haul it in one run to a trade hub (my suggestion is to use PushX or Red Frog Freight hauling services for perfect safety).

To be fair the SOE agent thing is not really a buff to max income as such. The best you can get from SOE is about 2.0 ISK/LP whereas with market research and the right corp/LP you always could (and still can) do far better than that. I sold a few hundred mill of mining implants a few days ago and got 3.1 ISK/LP for example.

What SOE does do is make 2.0 ISK/LP reliable without any real need to research and setup sells. You can just dump sisters probes and Asteros on market buy at any hub except Hek and get consist good isk/lp . SOE is not top notch ISK/LP but its lazy and consistently reliable LP.

Antihrist Pripravnik made some good points and here's a few other buffs I've seen:

Salvaging: Like you said MTUs were a huge buff to salvagers and with the Noctis as a specialized ship for it salvaging is more like an actual profession than ever.

Exploration: NPCs have been removed from data and relic sites which makes it possible to do them in a t1 scanning frig now. In addition, the hacking minigame is fairly easy and it no longer sprays out a bunch of containers, just gives you a can of loot. Also, t3s are no longer able to do the 4/10 combat sites in high sec which makes it a lot easier for players without high skills to compete for those sites.

Mining: The move of gravimetric sites to cosmic anamolies was a huge buff for miners who didn't want to spend skillpoints in scanning just to find some ore. The availability of better quality ores in high sec is definitely a buff and their value accounts for their rarity. It's not something designed to be farmed but as a bonus for miners when moving to different ore belts.

Level 3 Missions: The rewards from these missions have always been awful and were never meant to be an isk maker, just a bridge to gain standings for level 4s. However, for gaining consistent faction standings there is no better way than running level 3 distribution missions with the changes to warp speed and to the first tier industrial bonuses. With the right agent you can get a level 3 storyline in an hour and that's with skills that take a day to train.

Overall, I don't see how any of what you experienced constitutes a nerf to highsec, and a lot of it I consider a buff instead.


As for trolls: don't respond to posts you consider trolling, I believe that's called troll food. If it bothers you flag them as trolling to ISD.

As for trolls: don't respond to posts you consider trolling, I believe that's called troll food. If it bothers you flag them as trolling to ISD.

ISD's would have an incredibly easy time moderating the 6 or so people left then.

conclusion: last iterations on hisec had Malcanis' Law aaaaalll over them.

Not totally sure what this means but I'm assuming its not great. Don't forget comrade I said at the beginning that I was pretending to be a new player in hi-sec. Maybe didn't do a good enough job of pretending. (was getting bored)

No, she editted it to say that after her lies were called out

This thread could go to places if the OP could bother to go more than 3 jumps out of Jita to gather evidence.

Dude I made you look like a complete ass and you still won't let it go.

POS standings requirement dropped, industry slots dropped (no more conjestion), POCOs can now be player owned.

I find interesting that you consider it a nerf that 1/10 complexes need to be scanned down now.
Yet you also consider it a nerf that some mining sites don't need to be scanned down anymore.

Both are income resources I don't have much, if any, experience with.
It seems to me that either making them harder to find is a nerf, or making them easier to find is a nerf, but you chose one for the first, and the other for the second.
Can you explain the difference to me, please?

Preventing the OP from stealing from a another highsec bear is not a nurf. Its a buff. They want to do their own looting and salvage.

None of the things you listed are nerfs or have anything to do with highsec. Also, the majority of what you listed has nothing to do with new players, so your experiment is pretty much a complete failure.

Now, let's look at the buffs to highsec:
Incursions, new LP stores, numerous security increases including crimewatch 2, mining and ice changes, mission ship buffs, multiple industry ship buffs, the mission agent revamp, pretty much every last detail of Crius, the spread of POCOs, just off the top of my head.

Where did you do that? All I see is you being made to look very ignorant on point after point since you get even very basic things wrong in your GÇ£experimentGÇ¥.

Preventing the OP from stealing from a another highsec bear is not a nurf. Its a buff. They want to do their own looting and salvage.

So every Tom, **** and Harry can drop a POS and compete with you now, without having to pay your dues through the never ending mission grind.

Unlimited Industry slots adds to the competition, not to mention the fees increased, unless you move then the cost increases,

POCO's? many now owned buy Nul-sec alliances, others owned by groups that only wanted to extort ISK from PI, try to take one down it fun, a couple hours later you then get to have a competition of who can click the fastest in a race to anchor a new one, if you don't win do it again and if you do win they take yours down, yes finally we have nerfed the last bastion of semi-passive ISK.

Somebody needs to either stop posting with alts or go back and read the entire thread.

So every Tom, **** and Harry can drop a POS and compete with you now, without having to pay your dues through the never ending mission grind. Not really a Buff

Unlimited Industry slots adds to the competition, not to mention the fees increased, unless you move then the cost increases, yeah not really a buff if you spent the first few years paying dues and setting it up to work like a clock. So not really a Buff either.

POCO's? many now owned buy Nul-sec alliances, others owned by groups that only wanted to extort ISK from PI, try to take one down it fun, a couple hours later you then get to have a competition of who can click the fastest in a race to anchor a new one, if you don't win do it again and if you do win they take yours down, yes finally we have nerfed the last bastion of semi-passive ISK.

Somebody needs to either stop posting with alts

good information has been distributed throughout this thread.

Yes you do need to stop, Salvos.


Just no.

Stop for the love of god stop.

Very obvious buff, since it makes it easier than ever to make money and removes tedious gameplay.

Very obvious buff, since it makes it easier than ever to make money and removes tedious gameplay.

GǪand at the end of the day, it makes it easier than ever to make money and adds non-tedious gameplay, so it's a very obvious buff.

Someone need to get a proper argument when they can't respond.

Your experiment was a failure due to the many errors, misunderstandings, and inaccuracies you chose to include. This is not a matter of opinion but of facts GÇö specifically, your ignorance of them.

um.... I don't agree with you....

you said you reported me for trolling and called me a liar..... if that is indeed the case...I will be banned.... If I'm still here posting within the next couple weeks then....you lied and didn't report me or you lied about me being a liar.

um.... I don't agree with you....

Edited for brevity.

Hope you don't mind. It just makes the core of the discussion easier to read.

No I reported this thread for being a troll-thread.

The fact your a liar just means that nothing you say can be taken as proof of anything.

Good job.

The content still disappointed, not the fault of the editor though, the core material was just low quality.

Well lets see if your trolling can get it locked up. I suspect with all the good info and discussion here, it wont.

Well lets see if your trolling can get it locked up. I suspect with all the good info and discussion here, it wont.

Considering Im not trolling you, I doubt anything I say will affect the mod's decision.

If you consider that you arguing black is white is "good info and discussion", then you are as deluded as you are argumentative

OK you are the best will you please STFU

When you start off the thread by saying "The NPCs prevented me from invading a mission pocket, so that counts as a nerf to highsec" then nothing productive will really happen here. Half of the guys you praised for joining the discussion were subtly mocking you.

Sorry I didnt realise you owned the forums........

See how it works both ways?

Or you could actually try responding to replies that disagree with you in a sensible and adult way, you know, how a discussion is actually performed.

That would be good.

I'm going to ask you to please stop trolling and stick to the topic which is spelled out plainly in the thread title

hmmmm I'm glad you are so smart that you could tell when somebody was serious or not. I missed it. In fact I don't care either.

Im not and never have trolled.

I have several times responded to the topic, and you refuse to answer anything I have said in response to your post, instead attacking me, rather than the point I have made.

This even goes as far as editting your original post to say that you pretended to be a new player.

Now, if you were serious, why would you do that?

So... are you admitting you lied about the salvage thing too?

Or what? I am unsure as to what exactly you mean by that... collection of words.

You are next in line


Thread went about as far as its going to go anyways.

OK since you are mad and simply will not stop. I just opened a harassment ticket. Now we see what happens between your troll report and my ticket.

Nothing (except possibly the locking of this thread), since disagreeing with you doesn't constitute harassment.

By all means, go right ahead.

Better than you have tried.

OK since you are mad and simply will not stop. I just opened a harassment ticket. Now we see what happens between your troll report and my ticket.

This is not a race.

For a start, nothing I have done constitutes harrassment. However, it is up to the ISD to decide if a) Your OP is an attempt to troll b) my replies are.

As I have simply stated that I didnt believe that your OP was anything else, and every thing I have said since has either been a) to address your OP directly and make the assumption its legit or b) answer your personal attacks on me and my character, I feel fairly confident in my position.

If the ISD feels otherwise, so be it. I accept what they say.

I don't have to accept what you say and I am free to express my disagreement, whether you like that or not.

Nothing (except possibly the locking of this thread), since disagreeing with you doesn't constitute harassment.

Locking this thread would make the forums a bit better, perhaps.

The troll level just dropped (ie: is a worse troll) after crazy ticketing action was observed. Terrible.

Oh, and let me go ahead and look into my crystal ball on this one.

Telling you that you're wrong does not constitute harassment. Nothing will come of it, against me or Ramona. And you will sulk until you gradually morph into even more of a shiptoaster from bitterness about how people aren't banned for disagreeing.

LOL


Unlikely.....

Seems like it happened already.

Tennej, the simple fact is that you lied, got caught because you couldnt keep your false story straight and then got caught again trying to cover that up. It doesnt matter at this point what kind of info you say you want because you have exactly zero credibility left. If you really want to be taken seriously then there's really only one thing you can do and that's admit you lied and apologise to the people you've been insulting for simply pointing out that you lied, then restart the discussion from scratch while remembering its about whats actually there not simply what matches your ideas.

I encourage you to do this simply because it shows good character and a willingness to learn from mistakes.

On the other hand you can keep ignoring the obvious and loudly proclaiming victory and I'll happily sit on the sidelines eating popcorn and watching you carry on making a total fool of yourself.

Your choice

Hmm, still alive here. How can we know what is a buff in your opinion when you consider a single change both buff and a nerf?

Oh, I know, PLEX going below 800M is a buff to hisec!

Not totally sure what this means but I'm assuming its not great. Don't forget comrade I said at the beginning that I was pretending to be a new player in hi-sec. Maybe didn't do a good enough job of pretending. (was getting bored)

"Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of GÇÿnew playersGÇÖ, that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players."

Why is this terrible thread still going?

Tennej, the simple fact is that you lied, got caught because you couldnt keep your false story straight and then got caught again trying to cover that up. It doesnt matter at this point what kind of info you say you want because you have exactly zero credibility left. If you really want to be taken seriously then there's really only one thing you can do and that's admit you lied and apologise to the people you've been insulting for simply pointing out that you lied, then restart the discussion from scratch while remembering its about whats actually there not simply what matches your ideas.

I encourage you to do this simply because it shows good character and a willingness to learn from mistakes.

On the other hand you can keep ignoring the obvious and loudly proclaiming victory and I'll happily sit on the sidelines eating popcorn and watching you carry on making a total fool of yourself.

Your choice

Very obvious buff, since it makes it easier than ever to make money and removes tedious gameplay.

Very obvious buff, since it makes it easier than ever to make money and removes tedious gameplay.

GǪand at the end of the day, it makes it easier than ever to make money and adds non-tedious gameplay, so it's a very obvious buff.

Someone need to get a proper argument when they can't respond.

Your experiment was a failure due to the many errors, misunderstandings, and inaccuracies you chose to include. This is not a matter of opinion but of facts GÇö specifically, your ignorance of them.

IMO

-Mining. The cure to multiboxing fleets in your belt is an alt gank. Er, I mean anticompetitive violence is very uncool, and I like bunnies.

As a philosophical point -- since "Undock" is the "I consent to PvP in all forms that may occur whilst I am in space" button, can it really be called a "gank"?

Also, use your main - it's much more fun that way

As for buffs to hisec (trying to ignore stuff that's affected all of New Eden in the same manner).

1. [Crius] - Can anchor POS anywhere* without standings.
2. [Inferno] - No more gank boomerang tactics allowed
3. [Inferno] - Mining Barge / Exhumer rebalance (note, bears whinged to high heaven about broken hulks ... tears were delicious)
4. Rookie systems now include every system with a SOE agent for their epic arc.
5. CODE(dot) and affiliates.
6. NPE fixes (although "buff to hisec" is taking this a bit far)
7. bears quitting because of (5).
8. (OK, I can only think of seven off the top of my head).

* Note that some systems (Jita,etc.) are banned from anchoring POS.

Nice Not Sure CODE fits in as a buff but it is gameplay I guess.

Highsec has not been nerfed really. You're just highseccing all wrong.

The game mechanics in it's current state allow for extremely easy and riskless grinding of ISK. While this is possible in low/WH/null, you cannot go AFK for hours in the same manner, nor can you use overly expensive ships without severely risking your profits.

You in fact make more ISK in highsec overall than you do in other parts of space, as you are making ISK for the 2 hours your decided to watch that movie.

Now consider the army of multiboxers youve mentioned. Buffing highsec further would decimate the economy simply because of them.

So TLDR: Highsec is too risk free to be buffed.

They're taking out my competition (either via explosions or rage-quitting), so it's a good thing (tm).

My exact feelings.

But I've had this out with one of her other alts before, and it ended the same way.

I just would like the person to grow up a bit, then all of us could have adult conversations about whatever topics are posted. But until that happens, the eternal narcissist will continue to spew uncoherent ramblings and then argue that they didnt.

OK This is the only ALT I Post with so as far as you having it out with my other alts..... that's a bit of a misunderstanding on your part or perhaps a complete fabrication. Or maybe other people see your damage and call you on your dumb crap. Who cares....

You started with the reporting AND the name calling so I opened a ticket up on you. Again I will be absolved of your fabrication and altho it more than likely wont happen...I can dream that you will be punished in some way for making false accusations.

Like I told somebody else.... nothing is going to happen to me and I'll be back here making a new thread that will get the fanboi's all up in arms about something (and in the process I will learn a few more things gamewise)

Next time you call somebody a liar.... it would be best if you had proof other than just saying it for it to be true. (SS)

You started with the reporting AND the name calling so I opened a ticket up on you. Again I will be absolved of your fabrication and altho it more than likely wont happen...I can dream that you will be punished in some way for making false accusations.

Whatever you say Jack, you're the master race

*wink*

Try wormholes OP.

Been thinking about it a lot. That might give that new life I'm really looking for in game. Way more than Null That's for sure.

Yeah, you'll probably like it here.

We don't get nerfs.

Or buffs.

Or really any changes at all for that matter ...

Oh yeah, there was that whole API thing though.

Discuss topic please not troll this or troll that.

So I am reading the forums and somebody will complain about a hisec nerf and many people will rebutt that nerf with the statement "of look at all the hisec buffs". I'm blind I guess because I cant see them.

As an experiment I pretended to be a new player looking for something to make isk on.

Attempt: First I tried ninja salvaging.... It used to make me alot of isk.

Result: New AI switched immediately to my little punisher salvager everytime I entered a mission bear's site. I tried a few times as well and the new AI protected the mission bear from any damage I could do.

Conclusion: Nerf




Attempt: Go sit on some static 1/10 Plexs and hopefully spawn a c-type repper or something.

Result: Open up starmap and cant find any 1/10's. After Googling "Where are 1/10's" the result was that `1/10-'s are no longer static and must be scanned down. WTH....

Conclusion: Nerf




Attempt: OK if they want me to scan so I'll scan down some rare rock sites and go mine them. Maybe I'll get lucky and score a Large Jaspet or something. Can't find any and have been to like 10 systems. Back to google.....

Result: These are now anomalies like null ratting sites. Setting the scanner to show anoms brings them up. Unfortunately they get mined out super fast. I visited 3 and no rocks of value left in any. I guess this is something you do only right after downtime.

Conclusion: Nerf




Attempt: Regular Ice mining. Ok I already heard they made the Ice sites anoms and they spawn now every 4 hours. I grab a procurer and start hunting down some ice. Visit 3 systems I know used to have ice and nothing. Damn this is turning into alot of jumps.... Time to Open Dotlan. Visit 2 more systems again no ICE..... I give up.

Result: No ICE to be found and I've jumped around quite a bit.....not worth anymore effort.

Conclusion: Nerf



Attempt: I'm already in a minery ship might as well mine. Run to my favorite System with no starbases in it and go to a safe and drop a few giant freights to fill up.

Result: Evidently, I'm too late. The neighborhood ISboxers (GeewingCheong or Kamikaze or LTC Vuvicovich) Have ransacked the system again. Either all the belts are gone or healing with tiny rocks. I mine a few of the healing belts but give up since the output is ridiculous. I gotta start thinking about setting an alarm clock and doing this right after DT.

Conclusion: Meh not a Nerf or Buff.... basically just sucks.




Attempt: I got a Harby.... lets go do some lvl 3 missions. The ship bounties arent great but its something to do and the salvage can net some good isk.

Result: Man these MTU's are a boon for salvaging. They pull everything in and I got a destroyer with 8 salvagers. Missions are easy with a Harbinger. Making a little bit of isk. After about 2 storylines I'm getting sleepy. Lets collect up all the salvage and call it. So evidently there are no more drone alloys or Meta 0 modules in salvage. That sucks. Used to be good minerals in that.

Conclusion: Buff and Nerf and another Nerf. MTU is crazy great so is a nice Buff. Loss of drone alloys and meta 0 Modules suck alot. Refine nerf on modules is really felt here.





To tired to do any scanning but evidently its supposed to be easier and more interesting. I'll try that at a later date.




Maybe as a new player I'm doing it wrong but I dont see all these Buffs that everybody is talking about. Just a lot of nerfs. Kinda glad I didnt subscribe and still on a trial account. Game doesnt seem to have much going for it.





Discuss

What you are seeing is the result the lack of rule enforcement by CCP themeselves. Instead of actually giving decent new content they keep rolling the same crap out to make the whiners stop whining.

They "buffed" the mining ship. They called it a rebalance but the reality is CCP just wnated the bot miners to stop complaining. The reality is if CCP enforced their own rules the issue would have been fixed. They cant enforce their own rules because then subs will go down and then they would actually have to pay attention to it.

For example: CCP declared ISBoxer legit. Now you have miners like the one you post but you also have incursion runners various other types of players using it. To use it you need more than 1 account on the same computer which is actually against CCP own End User License agreement
https://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-eula/
Under License:
"you have 2 Accounts, you must have 2 licensed copies of the Software. You may not use more than one Account with a single licensed copy of the Software. You may make one (1) copy of the Software for backup or archival purposes."

The trolls will rebuttal with installing the software in different folders. That violates the first part of the agreement:
"For each valid Account you maintain, you may install a copy of the Software on, and access the System from, a single computer or Game platform, and from a secondary computer if you so choose. "

CCP will never enforce their own agreements unless it they feel it nessacery. Less people subbing and more people leaving means they have to rely on plexed accounts to make any money. Those are the people they will listen to and not to you or me. The person with most alts wins.

What you are seeing is the result the lack of rule enforcement by CCP themeselves. Instead of actually giving decent new content they keep rolling the same crap out to make the whiners stop whining.

They "buffed" the mining ship. They called it a rebalance but the reality is CCP just wnated the bot miners to stop complaining. The reality is if CCP enforced their own rules the issue would have been fixed. They cant enforce their own rules because then subs will go down and then they would actually have to pay attention to it.

For example: CCP declared ISBoxer legit. Now you have miners like the one you post but you also have incursion runners various other types of players using it. To use it you need more than 1 account on the same computer which is actually against CCP own End User License agreement
https://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-eula/
Under License:
"you have 2 Accounts, you must have 2 licensed copies of the Software. You may not use more than one Account with a single licensed copy of the Software. You may make one (1) copy of the Software for backup or archival purposes."

The trolls will rebuttal with installing the software in different folders. That violates the first part of the agreement:
"For each valid Account you maintain, you may install a copy of the Software on, and access the System from, a single computer or Game platform, and from a secondary computer if you so choose. "

CCP will never enforce their own agreements unless it they feel it nessacery. Less people subbing and more people leaving means they have to rely on plexed accounts to make any money. Those are the people they will listen to and not to you or me. The person with most alts wins.

So I am reading the forums and somebody will complain about a hisec nerf and many people will rebutt that nerf with the statement "of look at all the hisec buffs". I'm blind I guess because I cant see them.

As an experiment I pretended to be a new player looking for something to make isk on.

Attempt: First I tried ninja salvaging.... It used to make me alot of isk.

Result: New AI switched immediately to my little punisher salvager everytime I entered a mission bear's site. I tried a few times as well and the new AI protected the mission bear from any damage I could do.

Conclusion: Nerf

Attempt: Go sit on some static 1/10 Plexs and hopefully spawn a c-type repper or something.

Result: Open up starmap and cant find any 1/10's. After Googling "Where are 1/10's" the result was that `1/10-'s are no longer static and must be scanned down. WTH....

Conclusion: Nerf

Attempt: OK if they want me to scan so I'll scan down some rare rock sites and go mine them. Maybe I'll get lucky and score a Large Jaspet or something. Can't find any and have been to like 10 systems. Back to google.....

Result: These are now anomalies like null ratting sites. Setting the scanner to show anoms brings them up. Unfortunately they get mined out super fast. I visited 3 and no rocks of value left in any. I guess this is something you do only right after downtime.

Conclusion: Nerf

Attempt: Regular Ice mining. Ok I already heard they made the Ice sites anoms and they spawn now every 4 hours. I grab a procurer and start hunting down some ice. Visit 3 systems I know used to have ice and nothing. Damn this is turning into alot of jumps.... Time to Open Dotlan. Visit 2 more systems again no ICE..... I give up.

Result: No ICE to be found and I've jumped around quite a bit.....not worth anymore effort.

Conclusion: Nerf

Attempt: I'm already in a minery ship might as well mine. Run to my favorite System with no starbases in it and go to a safe and drop a few giant freights to fill up.

Result: Evidently, I'm too late. The neighborhood ISboxers (GeewingCheong or Kamikaze or LTC Vuvicovich) Have ransacked the system again. Either all the belts are gone or healing with tiny rocks. I mine a few of the healing belts but give up since the output is ridiculous. I gotta start thinking about setting an alarm clock and doing this right after DT.

Conclusion: Meh not a Nerf or Buff.... basically just sucks.




Attempt: I got a Harby.... lets go do some lvl 3 missions. The ship bounties arent great but its something to do and the salvage can net some good isk.

Result: Man these MTU's are a boon for salvaging. They pull everything in and I got a destroyer with 8 salvagers. Missions are easy with a Harbinger. Making a little bit of isk. After about 2 storylines I'm getting sleepy. Lets collect up all the salvage and call it. So evidently there are no more drone alloys or Meta 0 modules in salvage. That sucks. Used to be good minerals in that.

Conclusion: Buff and Nerf and another Nerf. MTU is crazy great so is a nice Buff. Loss of drone alloys and meta 0 Modules suck alot. Refine nerf on modules is really felt here.





To tired to do any scanning but evidently its supposed to be easier and more interesting. I'll try that at a later date.




Maybe as a new player I'm doing it wrong but I dont see all these Buffs that everybody is talking about. Just a lot of nerfs. Kinda glad I didnt subscribe and still on a trial account. Game doesnt seem to have much going for it.





Discuss

Think you have confused legit Multiboxers with multiple accounts with ISboxers with dozens.

Nope.
Multi boxing is having more than one computer.... hence the box in boxing. Just because CCP is not inclined to shoot themeselves in the foot doesnt make it any more legit. CCP is pretty good at selective enforcement.

"For each valid Account you maintain, you may install a copy of the Software on, and access the System from, a single computer or Game platform, and from a secondary computer if you so choose."

Can this be made any clearer than it is?

so wait, this is a stealth "zomg ISboxer!" thread?

Bravo.

Bravo.


*golf clap*

Can we has a threadnaught? Last one died about 3 weeks ago and I the rash from having to explain the simplest things to idiots has gone away already.

I like the rash, it's so nicely colored and feels rough.

I call her Jenna.

so wait, this is a stealth "zomg ISboxer!" thread?

Bravo.

Bravo.


*golf clap*

"For each valid Account you maintain, you may install a copy of the Software on, and access the System from, a single computer or Game platform, and from a secondary computer if you so choose."

Can this be made any clearer than it is?

I edited my post because apparently your not following. Multiple account on the same machine is the issue because that is how isboxer works. Have multiple computers is not an issue.

I doubt the guy mining a belt with 10-20 accounts has 10-20 computers all hooked up to the internet. The bandwidth required for just 5 machines would kill his connection or create such lag that the game is unplayable. Let alone trying to remember what keyboard goes to what screen or mouse even.

I edited my post because apparently your not following. Multiple account on the same machine is the issue because that is how isboxer works. Have multiple computers is not an issue.

Inner Space links your game instances together, making it possible to send commands (you know, like keystrokes!) from one window to another, even on different computers!

Discuss topic please not troll this or troll that.

Install 20 clients. How the hell is this passage so complicated that it takes multiple forum posts to understand?

Edit: I even stated "install" on the post you quoted

Look cat some folks get on here just to argue...not make sense..... been that way all night.

The rules about isboxer are whatever CCP says the rules are about isboxer. and if you don't like it you can get out.

The fact that your intentionally leaving out the whole rule. Why is it hard to understand the whole rule and not just the parts people pick and choose to follow.

Oh well. BTW; PLEX has been below 800M for a few days now. Can I get a tick for "hisec buff" on this one now?

Install 20 clients. How the hell is this passage so complicated that it takes multiple forum posts to understand?

Edit: I even stated "install" on the post you quoted

Look cat some folks get on here just to argue...not make sense..... been that way all night.

welcome to GD, just two notches above the CAOD of old?

And full circle on CCP not enforcing their own rules.

And full circle on CCP not enforcing their own rules.

The fact that your intentionally leaving out the whole rule. Why is it hard to understand the whole rule and not just the parts people pick and choose to follow.

Here is the CCP clarification for you, since you seem to be in an argumentative mood.

Can you please drop it now?

OP doesn't smell fake.

Hi sec has been repeatedly nerfed... and that's a good thing.

Here is the CCP clarification for you, since you seem to be in an argumentative mood.

Can you please drop it now?

Not being argumentative. Facts are facts. No reason to get all butt hurt over it.

Not being argumentative. Facts are facts. No reason to get all butt hurt over it.

New player? if you're new, how do you know about meta 0 modules and drone alloys?



FFS here we go again.... Pretending I was a new player and did the things I used to do when I actually was.... sorry for the confusion.

Name calling and insults..... make your damn point without it otherwise I just quit reading your post even if its actually worth reading.

So why are you trying to argue against the facts and act all butt hurt over it?

Quiet the contrary. I am stating facts and answering the OP's question.

You either change the rules for everyone and by that I mean officially or you enforce them.

Do neither and people take notice hence the OP and his original question.

You are also inventing things that has no basis in facts, and then act butt hurt when people point this out.

Good news: they're enforcing them; they apply equally to everyone; and they're very official.

His original question has nothing to do with the rules or their being enforced unequally.