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Sister Zoot
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Posted - 2006.07.08 02:40:00 -
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 Originally by: Mr Happ
Player A hears about EVE Online, goes on ebay to look for a good account, unaware that it's agaisnt the rules
He then buys 2 accounts for say, ú200 each
Then plays eve for nearly 2 years, now then the orginal owner decides to come back to eve and uses game mechanics to get the accounts back and the player A who brought the accounts is ******, no accoutns, no isk, no ships, eveyrthing eh ahs worked for for 2 years down the drain, orginal owner has it all.
So he peitions CCP and there responce is *we dont care, your not egtting anything* even tho for 2 years he was loyal to them and payed every month.
Oh and the orginal player isnt banned for ebaying the accounts
Fiction? No, this just happend in the last two weeks, my questions
What are your views?
Do you think this is fair
I think this might be called karma.
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JP Beauregard
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Posted - 2006.07.08 03:53:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Happ
What are your views?
Do you think this is fair
Stupidity has its own reward.
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Mystic Elandria
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Posted - 2006.07.08 05:19:00 -
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yeah this world is a ****** up place... too bad its against the law strap guns or missiles to your car private plane and go take out the sum ***** who ripped you off
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Chief Seattle
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Posted - 2006.07.08 05:47:00 -
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hmm, mesed up one one side, just plain worng on the other: lesser of 2 evils i'd say the player who purchased the accounts may have a slight chance of getting them back from CCP but if CCP took the accounts from him in the first place then idk
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Lardarz B'stard
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Posted - 2006.07.08 05:55:00 -
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Caveat Emptor, as they say in Leeds.
Both players should be banned imho, but I guess CCP would ask for PROOF that he had actually sold the account.
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Drizit
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Posted - 2006.07.08 06:56:00 -
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Originally by: Lardarz B'stard
Caveat Emptor, as they say in Leeds.
Both players should be banned imho, but I guess CCP would ask for PROOF that he had actually sold the account.
Ebay would provide records if the player went to them and asked. It would result in both being banned but at least the guy who bought it would stop the other one from getting the account back.
Depending on how the account was purchased, he could even get his money back. If Paypal was involved, a petition to them would result in a big legal suit against the player who sold the account for fraud. In cases of large amount like that, player A would get his money back and if player B did not have a paypal account that paypal could get the money back from, they would take him to court.
I have had extensive dealings with Paypal and I got my money back after paying for a PC that didn't turn up. He closed both his Ebay and confirmed Paypal accounts right after the sale. Paypal are taking the guy to court for over ú700 due to my reimbursement.
So it's not only the buyer who needs to beware.
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.07.08 07:08:00 -
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If the trade took place back when account trading was allowed, have your corpmate send in proof of his/her purchase.
If he/she bought it later, have both banned.
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Jinx Barker
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Posted - 2006.07.08 07:11:00 -
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Edited by: Jinx Barker on 08/07/2006 07:12:36
Originally by: Drizit
Originally by: Lardarz B'stard
Caveat Emptor, as they say in Leeds.
Both players should be banned imho, but I guess CCP would ask for PROOF that he had actually sold the account.
Ebay would provide records if the player went to them and asked. It would result in both being banned but at least the guy who bought it would stop the other one from getting the account back.
Depending on how the account was purchased, he could even get his money back. If Paypal was involved, a petition to them would result in a big legal suit against the player who sold the account for fraud. In cases of large amount like that, player A would get his money back and if player B did not have a paypal account that paypal could get the money back from, they would take him to court.
I have had extensive dealings with Paypal and I got my money back after paying for a PC that didn't turn up. He closed both his Ebay and confirmed Paypal accounts right after the sale. Paypal are taking the guy to court for over ú700 due to my reimbursement.
So it's not only the buyer who needs to beware.
Drizit, you missing a point, E-Bay & PayPal cant do nothing for him. They DO NOT COVER VIRTUAL ITEM sales. It is funny that you can break all the Copyright Laws in the world by selling the stuff and buying the stuff, but if it is a scam then itÆs all over.
People shouldnÆt use E-Bay to buy in game items. But moral implications aside, perhaps if people realized that if they indeed bought stuff from E-Bay, virtual stuff like EVE online Characters, Accounts, ISK and whatever else they are selling up there, the seller of the item can scam the buyer w/o any legal repercussions because neither PayPal nor any other Online Payments agency covers virtual items under their "buyer protection agreements."
So, the reason why you got your cash back is because it was an actual item, it was a piece of merchandise, tangible and physical. EVE Online and MMORPG stuff falls under "virtual items" clause.
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Dem Bones
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Posted - 2006.07.08 07:57:00 -
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1) Whot the hell is dumb enough/sad enough to pay ú200 to buy an account? Half the fun of the game is getting there by your own means. Its like buying half-life 2 and using a cheat to skip straight to the end level.
2) Player B should have been banned. He has blatantly broken the EULA, and yet is allowed to get away with it.
Then again, we don't actually know if the original owner actually sold the accounts himself. His PC could have been stolen, or hacked, and the account sold off by the theif
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Plutoinum
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Posted - 2006.07.08 08:31:00 -
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Edited by: Plutoinum on 08/07/2006 08:33:27
wrong button
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.07.08 08:38:00 -
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Owned 
Only thing I don't like is the guy who sold it getting the accounts back.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.07.08 08:39:00 -
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Originally by: Dem Bones
1) Whot the hell is dumb enough/sad enough to pay ú200 to buy an account? Half the fun of the game is getting there by your own means. Its like buying half-life 2 and using a cheat to skip straight to the end level.
No, its like buying HL2 and then paying someone 10x the cost of it so you don't have to play most of it 
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Sensor Error
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Posted - 2006.07.08 09:59:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Happ
Oh and the orginal player isnt banned for ebaying the accounts
Fiction? No, this just happend in the last two weeks, my questions
What are your views?
Do you think this is fair
It's perfectly true that he won't get banned, as the transfer of accounts was allowed before about a year and a half ago.
E-mail CCP, find receipts of the transfer, contact E-bay as well. There is surely something they can do.
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Sensor Error
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Posted - 2006.07.08 10:00:00 -
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Edited by: Sensor Error on 08/07/2006 10:04:38
Edited by: Sensor Error on 08/07/2006 10:03:36
Edited by: Sensor Error on 08/07/2006 10:02:44
Originally by: Bosie
Hows about this:
Person A buys a car from person B. Two years later the police come and take the car off person A as it turns out it was stolen and even person B did not know that.
Person A cries to the courts and is told to go away.
Ignorance = no excuse.
Bosie.
Originally by: Indomitus Rex
You might have a case against CCP. Other than they would prolly say that you should have read the EULA, etc. before purchasing said accounts from E-Bay.
Originally by: Drizit
Originally by: Lardarz B'stard
Caveat Emptor, as they say in Leeds.
Both players should be banned imho, but I guess CCP would ask for PROOF that he had actually sold the account.
Ebay would provide records if the player went to them and asked. It would result in both being banned but at least the guy who bought it would stop the other one from getting the account back.
Depending on how the account was purchased, he could even get his money back. If Paypal was involved, a petition to them would result in a big legal suit against the player who sold the account for fraud. In cases of large amount like that, player A would get his money back and if player B did not have a paypal account that paypal could get the money back from, they would take him to court.
I have had extensive dealings with Paypal and I got my money back after paying for a PC that didn't turn up. He closed both his Ebay and confirmed Paypal accounts right after the sale. Paypal are taking the guy to court for over ú700 due to my reimbursement.
So it's not only the buyer who needs to beware.
Originally by: Dem Bones
2) Player B should have been banned. He has blatantly broken the EULA, and yet is allowed to get away with it.
How about NO, as the selling of accounts was _LEGAL_ back then.
He should be able to prove that the transfer occured before they outlawed it, and that the transfer happened at all, CCP should give it back. It depends on a lot of stuff I guess, but still.
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Sensor Error
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Posted - 2006.07.08 10:03:00 -
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Edited by: Sensor Error on 08/07/2006 10:03:22
double post
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Dao 2
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Posted - 2006.07.08 10:19:00 -
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Edited by: Dao 2 on 08/07/2006 10:20:15
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 08/07/2006 01:52:24
Actually, you were allowed to transfer accounts before the character transfer tool existed, IIRC. Not sure if you were allowed to pay money though.
Both should be banned outright IMO.
no u couldn't ;p not even for isk :|
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Di Jiensai
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Posted - 2006.07.08 12:08:00 -
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Asuming that it has never been legal to sell an account for real money:
Gather all evidence concerning the transactions:
Look up ebay archived aution if possible
scan your bank account transaction sheet with the payment for the account and your eve payments for the time you played the account.
include any emails you exchanged with the seller.
Wrap it all up and send a mail to ccp explaining the whole issue and/or petition it.
If they stick to their own rules, they will have to ban the account if you can supply all said proof.
You will not get the account back, but you can and should make sure that the old/new user does not profit from his clearly immoral actions.
To quote a proverb: "Ignorance does not protect from punishment"
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DukDodgerz
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Posted - 2006.07.08 13:13:00 -
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so he paid 400 for 2 accounts to play a game he hasnt even played yet....ya right, the logic isnt there, so i call the OP a lier.
NOBODY spends 400 bucks on a game they just heard was good.
regardsless, eula says you can not sell or buy in the fashion mentioned, and as many said already ignorence is no excuse.
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Oppenheimerr
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Posted - 2006.07.08 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: DukDodgerz
so he paid 400 for 2 accounts to play a game he hasnt even played yet....ya right, the logic isnt there, so i call the OP a lier.
NOBODY spends 400 bucks on a game they just heard was good.
regardsless, eula says you can not sell or buy in the fashion mentioned, and as many said already ignorence is no excuse.
Well you clearly haven't got a clue what you're talking about.
Go play WoW for a while and you'll discover there are tonnes of little kiddies who had daddy buy them a character off ebay right off the bat. You see level 60 char's running around without a damned clue what they're doing. It happens in every MMO and it's sickening.
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wystler
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Posted - 2006.07.08 16:23:00 -
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Okay, think this has run its course now.
If anyone you know has bought anything on Ebay you should petition it ingame and let the GMs investigate.
I'd highly recommend you don't breach the EULA in this fashion, as you have no legal recourse if something like this does go and happen to you 
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