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Mitten
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Posted - 2006.07.09 01:03:00 -
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Would a heron be worth using as an ECM platform for a noob in a small fleet op / gank squads?
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.07.09 01:05:00 -
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Yarr, it is a poor person's Buzzard. 
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Hoshi
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Posted - 2006.07.09 01:06:00 -
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Why use the heron when you have the griffin with ecm bonuses?
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Areconus
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Posted - 2006.07.09 01:09:00 -
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Just get a blackbird
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Mitten
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Posted - 2006.07.09 01:09:00 -
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 Originally by: Hoshi
Why use the heron when you have the griffin with ecm bonuses?
doh! thats what I meant sry :)
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GC13
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Posted - 2006.07.09 01:11:00 -
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Griffin pros:
Cheaper than a Blackbird
Locks faster
Somewhat less likely to be called primary
Griffin cons:
Can't equip as many jammers
Easier to kill
I say go for it. It's cheap as heck, so its inevitable loss won't hurt you at all.
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Mitten
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Posted - 2006.07.09 01:12:00 -
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Originally by: Areconus
Just get a blackbird
Just get into a thread where someone asks "What should I get instead of a Griffin" instead of one such as this.
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Nebuli
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Posted - 2006.07.09 01:16:00 -
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Griffin is great, I use one in frig fleets alot, can keap two BS jammed long enough for a bunch of frigs to kill them.
Another rather large advantage the Griffin has an EW platform, above the blackbird as well is the fact most (not all) but most pilots will totaly overloook the griffin and not put it on theior high priority to kill list, where as blackbird is right up there with scorp.
More often than not the Griffin will jam just as well as a BB, be faster, and not be public enemy number one so allowing it to perform its role for longer without warp outs or death.
Griffins a very underused little ship, and given a bit of thought (two of them using racials for example) can realy do alot of damage.
Another often overlooked fact, how fast can that enemy blackbird, or scorp for that matter lock someone? bet its not as fast as the little griffin can lock it and jam it :)
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Mo Steel
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Posted - 2006.07.09 01:19:00 -
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Might be helpful in a Frig Squad.
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Areconus
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Posted - 2006.07.09 01:32:00 -
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Originally by: Mitten
Originally by: Areconus
Just get a blackbird
Just get into a thread where someone asks "What should I get instead of a Griffin" instead of one such as this.
Whoa man no need to get ****ed off! If you dont want to buy it/can't afford it thats all you have to say. Just trying to give you some advice.
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Jacinto Naysmith
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Posted - 2006.07.09 02:53:00 -
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The griffin is good, and faster then the blackbird so you wont be slowing a frigate gang down. I'd go with something like this:
2x Standard Launchers
1x Small Cap Battery
3x ECM Multispecs
1x Cap relay
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Reggie Stoneloader
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Posted - 2006.07.09 02:55:00 -
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Edited by: Reggie Stoneloader on 09/07/2006 02:56:15
Since it doesn't get the range bonus that most ECM ships get, and it explodes faster than it flies, and it's got the cap of a Bantam, it's not my first choice.
The Merlin has enough CPU to carry a couple ECMs, and has enough cap to use them. Four ECMs (three multispecs) on a Griffin is a very small niche. It's a support ship, no doubt about it.
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Nebuli
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Posted - 2006.07.09 03:10:00 -
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Originally by: Reggie Stoneloader
Edited by: Reggie Stoneloader on 09/07/2006 02:56:15
Since it doesn't get the range bonus that most ECM ships get, and it explodes faster than it flies, and it's got the cap of a Bantam, it's not my first choice.
The Merlin has enough CPU to carry a couple ECMs, and has enough cap to use them. Four ECMs (three multispecs) on a Griffin is a very small niche. It's a support ship, no doubt about it.
Doesnt get a range bonus, it doesnt need one its a frigate.
Explodes as fast as any other frigate, and when it has target jammed it actualy explodes slower than other frigates..
As for cap I suggest you actualy check the ships bonus's
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fmercury
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Posted - 2006.07.09 03:36:00 -
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Spend the extra couple days to train a blackbird, and be 4x as useful.
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Altrex Stoppel
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Posted - 2006.07.09 03:39:00 -
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Edited by: Altrex Stoppel on 09/07/2006 03:39:46
Edited by: Altrex Stoppel on 09/07/2006 03:39:27
Originally by: Areconus
Originally by: Mitten
Originally by: Areconus
Just get a blackbird
Just get into a thread where someone asks "What should I get instead of a Griffin" instead of one such as this.
Whoa man no need to get ****ed off! If you dont want to buy it/can't afford it thats all you have to say. Just trying to give you some advice.
Well you didnt have to sound like an asshat and go off topic. He asked about a Griffin. Give him advice on it, then go to the blackbird as say maybe his next step. Newer players find it insulting when you tell them you must use this other bigger ship that they cant fly yet. At least thats how I used to feel. No offense to the OP if you can fly a BB.
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Lisento Slaven
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Posted - 2006.07.09 03:42:00 -
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You could probably fit one of each racial jammer but how many/how long you could run them simultaneously is going to be a very short amount of time. Not to mention one racial jammer will only give you "so much chance" to jam something.
Blackbird is an immense step over the griffin, and I have only seen maybe four griffin's in the game since I started playing over a year ago.
Usually there is very little point in getting a frigate for EWAR once you have access and a little bit of funding for the cruiser sized ones.
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Areconus
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Posted - 2006.07.09 03:46:00 -
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Edited by: Areconus on 09/07/2006 03:49:43
Originally by: Lisento Slaven
You could probably fit one of each racial jammer but how many/how long you could run them simultaneously is going to be a very short amount of time. Not to mention one racial jammer will only give you "so much chance" to jam something.
Blackbird is an immense step over the griffin, and I have only seen maybe four griffin's in the game since I started playing over a year ago.
Usually there is very little point in getting a frigate for EWAR once you have access and a little bit of funding for the cruiser sized ones.
Couldn't have said it better myself
Honestly the only time i would pick the griffin over the blackbird is like, what he mentioned, if you dont have the funding to buy/replace, or if you are in a relatively large frig. squad... and u wont be jamming more than 1 target.
If you use multispecs- you get 4 jamming per(t1)..so you face a cruiser and you need 3-4 multi's
If you use ecm burst- 6 per...and you still need 2-3, which uses even more cap.
Use racial- then you have to kno what your gonna be fighting be4 u fight it.
Actually, the griffin would probly only be useful if you had 2 or 3 in a frig squad
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Reggie Stoneloader
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Posted - 2006.07.09 05:33:00 -
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Originally by: Nebuli
As for cap I suggest you actualy check the ships bonus's
Yeah, at frigate 5 it gets a 50% reduction in cap consumption, but since it has less than half the cap of a Merlin, you'd be better off strapping some jammers to that and enjoying the shield resistance bonus instead. Use the lowslots to put on a coprocessor or two, mount a nos in one of the extra high slots and the only advantage the Griffin has left is a 5m3 drone bay.
I want the Griffin to get a buff. I have a sintimental attachment to it, since it's the first ship I every got podded while flying. Maybe a third CovOps ship class, the frigate equivalent of the Combat Recon ship. T2 Griff with AF resists, five medium slots and bonuses to range and cap use of ECM. Woo.
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Fwap
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Posted - 2006.07.09 09:01:00 -
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Edited by: Fwap on 09/07/2006 09:02:27
i'v found them to be spectacularly useful in frig gangs, 4 named racials and a cap realy and you can jam pretty much anything
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Nidhoggur
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Posted - 2006.07.09 09:37:00 -
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Don't get me wrong, I really love the griffin, it's the ship I used to discover how ridiculousy amazing ECM is.
Even when I had the skills and cash to fly a Blackbird, I still stuck with the griffin for a while. It was easier to survive in, and still had a little jamming power.
The massive problem is this:
Frigates have small capacitors.
Its a pretty unavoidable fact of EVE. To be honest, even if you have Frigate 5 and maxed cap skills, you're still going to find yourself strapped for cap.
Not that it is made useless because of this. In a frigate gang, you are going to be a massive help. Even if its only for 40-60 seconds, it can easily be the time needed to swing the battle around.
In conclusion: You'll constantly be thwarted by your lack of cap.
Advice for the future: I suggest moving to the bigger EW ships (Blackbird, Scorpion) eventually. For small mobile gangs with some firepower, however, the Griffin is a useful support ship.
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Ivan Kirilenkov
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Posted - 2006.07.09 10:02:00 -
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Please keep comments constructive and on topic. A few posts were a bit way off and were deleted.
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Nato Xemus
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Posted - 2006.07.09 13:04:00 -
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ive been complaining i want a t2 griffen! its a great ship and imo id pick it over a bb/scorp anyday....but then again i do love my frigs anyway please ccp give ME a t2 griffen
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