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Jolie Bindoa
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2014.08.01 22:55:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Jolie Bindoa wrote:As it happens a prospect can match the retriever in yield it does have a smaller hold so solo would loose money on more redocks etc. So your why should a frigate mine more than a barge point is mute.. Its a T2 frig and a barge is T1 the prospect can already compete with barges -- not exhumers of course
But im no talking about that.. compare a prospect mining low to a prospect mining in high both solo both unboosted with no haulers. The hi sec prospect can do so with out interruption, no cloaking up or spamming D scan needed, it has no messing around hauling goods threw low sec to sell. And regardless of all of those things the price of low sec ore is quite close to high sec ore.
Arkonor and Bistot are very rare in those anoms.. 99.9% of the anoms are jaspet and gneiss. Finding Arkonor is such a rare find it does not come into the equation.
Well if you are not opposed to going into lowsec and into harms way, then why not dive into WHs and Ninja gas and such for much much better ISK? Why not go into null and mine the good stuffs? Its clear that you have use of D-scan down and are able to pay attention to local for threats, why not apply these skills in more profitable places? It makes more sense to go where the money is, than to ask the heavens to change.
I do nip in and out of WHs however the gas can be a pain, sleepers spawn in gas sites and i operate in covert ops ships for data and relic sites and prospects for mining and ore and gas.. so i have no option to flee from sleepers, but yes its worth it ninja mining wh gas for a few mins.
Null sec. I dislike the bs drama and politics ive been their and done that. But again yes i ninja mine from time to time.
But being able to make isk in those places should not mean i shouldn't be able to make money in low sec-- at least as much as i can solo in high. |

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
16090
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Posted - 2014.08.01 23:09:00 -
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Jolie Bindoa wrote:But being able to make isk in those places should not mean i shouldn't be able to make money in low sec-- at least as much as i can solo in high.
Lowsec can be and is extremely profitable, just not when it comes to mining. Running FW and/or exploration sites, and the new whatchamacallit sites, not to mention the new Mordus belt rats that drop them tasty and very profitable BPCs.. Lowsec is a buffet of ISK compared to the sloth habitat that is highsec.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |

Jolie Bindoa
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2014.08.01 23:22:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Jolie Bindoa wrote:But being able to make isk in those places should not mean i shouldn't be able to make money in low sec-- at least as much as i can solo in high. Lowsec can be and is extremely profitable, just not when it comes to mining. Running FW and/or exploration sites, and the new whatchamacallit sites, not to mention the new Mordus belt rats that drop them tasty and very profitable BPCs.. Lowsec is a buffet of ISK compared to the sloth habitat that is highsec.
About these Mordus belt rats, are they any low sec or are they confined to a region ?
Yes i know you can make money in other ways in low sec. I just scanned down a site labelled gas, but the site had no minable gas it was a combat site serpentis drug lab type site with a few hackable containers i got 20 mill in regular data site drops + a book worth 250 mill Neurotoxin Control. Quite pleased, its rare but things like that do happen in low secthough why it was labelled gas site i have no idea.
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
16092
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Posted - 2014.08.01 23:35:00 -
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Jolie Bindoa wrote:About these Mordus belt rats, are they any low sec or are they confined to a region ?
CCP Rise wrote: The larger part of the supply will come from a set of new NPCs that will spawn in all lowsec asteroid belts. These will be uncommon npcs with a similar rarity to hauler spawns. Each NPC will appear by itself and will drop the blueprint for its associated ship 100% of the time. The chance of these MorduGÇÖs Legion NPCs spawning is equal in all areas of lowsec.
Kronos Patch Notes wrote:Mordu's Legion ship Blueprints can also be found on new Mordu's Legion NPC patrols anywhere in low security space
And I can confirm that ive personally seen them in 2 different lowsec regions. Made a nice chunk of ISK off the Garmur BPCs too. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |

Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
4510
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Posted - 2014.08.02 00:18:00 -
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Jolie Bindoa wrote:As it happens a prospect can match the retriever in yield it does have a smaller hold so solo would loose money on more redocks etc. So your why should a frigate mine more than a barge point is mute.. Its a T2 frig and a barge is T1 the prospect can already compete with barges -- not exhumers of course The redocks and travel time are the factors for eating into profitability. I'm not an ISK per hour nut, but "travel" is exactly why it's not worth mining in low. UaE and BeBop are right.. it makes no sense (at all) for you to mine in a Prospect in low. The Prospect is made for two things: (1) mining gas (2) scanning and running explo sites .. and in null you can do both by refitting with a mobile depot.
Cloaking up is not the strategy de jour for avoiding getting blapped in low. You do that by watching Local, staying aligned, and warping out.
Alternately, you can mine something lucrative enough without being tanked (ie: having a low ISK loss if you do get shot). A Retriever is perfect for this task.
Quote:But im no talking about that.. compare a prospect mining low to a prospect mining in high both solo both unboosted with no haulers. This is a nonsensical comparison. The Prospect is not a hisec (or lowsec) mining boat.
Quote:Arkonor and Bistot are very rare in those anoms.. 99.9% of the anoms are jaspet and gneiss. Finding Arkonor is such a rare find it does not come into the equation. As I mentioned before Ark is not profitable. It's only good for getting high off its fumes as your mining laser bores into it.
The Muppets: P+¦pc++rn (thanks Ria!) |

Alexa Coates
Space Wolves ind. New Eden's Misfits Alliance
741
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Posted - 2014.08.02 00:18:00 -
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Hicksimus wrote:People always say you're doing it wrong if you're mining without backup in lowsec but the fact is thanks to the boring blue doughnut the moment you can defend yourself some bored middle managers will bridge on you and you'll be right back at square one.
But the forums are mostly populated by players from null so now that I've said this your thread can only go downhill. this exact scenario happened to me and some buddies on a roam.
it's all fun and games until 10000 blackops are bearing down on your meager thorax. That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers. |

Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
4510
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Posted - 2014.08.02 00:23:00 -
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Alexa Coates wrote:Hicksimus wrote:People always say you're doing it wrong if you're mining without backup in lowsec but the fact is thanks to the boring blue doughnut the moment you can defend yourself some bored middle managers will bridge on you and you'll be right back at square one.
But the forums are mostly populated by players from null so now that I've said this your thread can only go downhill. this exact scenario happened to me and some buddies on a roam. it's all fun and games until 10000 blackops are bearing down on your meager thorax. Uh huh The Muppets: P+¦pc++rn (thanks Ria!) |

Jegrey Dozer
Ruatha Holdings
29
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Posted - 2014.08.02 00:23:00 -
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This is where player driven content comes in, OP.
Get a band of crazy miners who are bored of High Sec. Find some combat pilots who want to gain access to Low Sec. Then create a corp that acts as a platform to introduce these people with different agendas but similar desires. Soon enough you will have enough people to take control of a little region of Low Sec.
Have your combat guys camp a gate or go roaming in their region. You can guarantee that enough people will realize that they should not go into your territory solo. Your miners will be relatively safe. You can orca boost from a POS.
That's what I would do if I was so hell bent on mining in Low-Sec.
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Jolie Bindoa
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2014.08.02 00:52:00 -
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Jegrey Dozer wrote:This is where player driven content comes in, OP.
Get a band of crazy miners who are bored of High Sec. Find some combat pilots who want to gain access to Low Sec. Then create a corp that acts as a platform to introduce these people with different agendas but similar desires. Soon enough you will have enough people to take control of a little region of Low Sec.
Have your combat guys camp a gate or go roaming in their region. You can guarantee that enough people will realize that they should not go into your territory solo. Your miners will be relatively safe. You can orca boost from a POS.
That's what I would do if I was so hell bent on mining in Low-Sec.
I'm a very anti social person.. i tend to dislike eve players in general. |

Can't Touch-This
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.08.02 01:45:00 -
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Jolie Bindoa wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Jolie Bindoa wrote: seed a few better rocks in low sec or something. Wait.. didn't Lowsec just get Nullsec ores recently? I seem to remember something about that.. Kronos Patch Notes wrote:Anomalies full of Hedbergite, Hemorphite, Jaspet, and in rare cases Arkonor and Bistot have begun to appear throughout low security space. Oh that's right.. Miners... its always 'want more'. You comment on almost every thread on these forums, and never say anything of value.. begone troll
Hence the name. Duh!!!  |

Noriko Mai
1404
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Posted - 2014.08.02 02:02:00 -
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I'm closing this thread because F&I ist that way ----> |

Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
2333
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Posted - 2014.08.02 02:07:00 -
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In after the close.
Always love it when that happens.
Haha. One up on the....oh what? Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
. -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) |

Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
1330
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Posted - 2014.08.02 04:59:00 -
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Hello OP. One of my favorite things to do in EVE Online is problem solving and working out creative solutions.
Instead of flaming you, I want to actually try to help you with this issue because... I agree with you that LowSec is one of the areas of the game that needs help. However, recent changes may have made LowSec mining viable for you.
Because compression is now so easily available to people, hauling ore around has never been easier. For example, 100 units of Hedbergite takes of 300m3. However, compressed, this same amount of ore takes up only 0.14m3. So 100,000 units of Hedbergite - 300,000m3 of ore - can be smooshed into just 140m3. This is petty amazing! (My math might be wrong).
A Compression Array costs 58 million ISK in Amarr. It fits on a small tower. An Intensive Reprocessing Array is 65 million ISK in Amarr and also fits on a small tower. A small tower costs around 70-80 million ISK depending on race, and will cost 10 fuel blocks - or 209,000 ISK - to run for an hour.
If you can fly cloaking transport ships, you can easily fit a tower, a compression or reprocessing array, a Retriever or Covetor, and crystals as well as fuel into it and carry this into LowSec and to a station of your choosing. From there, the setup is relatively simple - you anchor and online the tower, set up the array (compression or reprocessing, depending on what will make you more ISK) and get to work mining. The transport ship also takes the finished products out of system. When you're done mining, take your tower down, and anchor it again when you want to mine more.
The advantage of the POS is that you can use boosts from an Orca or Rorqual inside the shield.
The disadvantage of this system is the amount of work needed (for a solo operation) and the risk of losing ships.
The trick is
- Finding an out of the way LowSec where not many people go (a website called "dotlan" can help you) and has empty moons.
- Getting the Orca into LowSec if you decide to use boosts.
Of course, you can always find a group that lives in LowSec and does mining to join. They do exist.
EDIT: I would like to add, OP, that -1.0 level ore anomalies are available to you just 1 jump from HiSec if you're daring, know how to bookmark, and have your probing skills trained. Epic Space Cat |

Rena Emishi
Outer Ring Exploration
66
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Posted - 2014.08.02 09:12:00 -
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Increase the value of gas in low sec. Its quite poor. And i enjoy venture / prospect gas mining. Not sure how you could do this make low sec gas a material in some kind of manufacturing other than boosters. Or seed new clouds that are needed for future mods.
asteroid wise. seed a a few of the abc ores in low sec belts, dose not need to be many just a few rare rocks from time to time. Valar Morghulis, Valar Dohaeris
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Rena Emishi
Outer Ring Exploration
66
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Posted - 2014.08.02 09:17:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:Hello OP. One of my favorite things to do in EVE Online is problem solving and working out creative solutions. Instead of flaming you, I want to actually try to help you with this issue because... I agree with you that LowSec is one of the areas of the game that needs help. However, recent changes may have made LowSec mining viable for you. Because compression is now so easily available to people, hauling ore around has never been easier. For example, 100 units of Hedbergite takes of 300m3. However, compressed, this same amount of ore takes up only 0.14m3. So 100,000 units of Hedbergite - 300,000m3 of ore - can be smooshed into just 140m3. This is petty amazing! (My math might be wrong). A Compression Array costs 58 million ISK in Amarr. It fits on a small tower. An Intensive Reprocessing Array is 65 million ISK in Amarr and also fits on a small tower. A small tower costs around 70-80 million ISK depending on race, and will cost 10 fuel blocks - or 209,000 ISK - to run for an hour. If you can fly cloaking transport ships, you can easily fit a tower, a compression or reprocessing array, a Retriever or Covetor, and crystals as well as fuel into it and carry this into LowSec and to a station of your choosing. From there, the setup is relatively simple - you anchor and online the tower, set up the array (compression or reprocessing, depending on what will make you more ISK) and get to work mining. The transport ship also takes the finished products out of system. When you're done mining, take your tower down, and anchor it again when you want to mine more. The advantage of the POS is that you can use boosts from an Orca or Rorqual inside the shield. The disadvantage of this system is the amount of work needed (for a solo operation) and the risk of losing ships. The trick is
- Finding an out of the way LowSec where not many people go (a website called "dotlan" can help you) and has empty moons.
- Getting the Orca into LowSec if you decide to use boosts.
Of course, you can always find a group that lives in LowSec and does mining to join. They do exist. EDIT: I would like to add, OP, that -1.0 level ore anomalies are available to you just 1 jump from HiSec if you're daring, know how to bookmark, and have your probing skills trained.
SOLO PLAYER !!. who is he going to boost in this orcca?, how will he defend his tower other than hiring help. not a viable option. Creative solution, fail. Valar Morghulis, Valar Dohaeris
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
4520
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Posted - 2014.08.02 12:57:00 -
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Rena Emishi wrote:SOLO PLAYER !!. who is he going to boost in this orcca?, how will he defend his tower other than hiring help. not a viable option. Creative solution, fail. A self imposed limitation isn't a nerf. The Muppets: P+¦pc++rn (thanks Ria!) |

Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1053
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Posted - 2014.08.02 13:43:00 -
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The word on the streets is mining and industry are going to be removed from the server in favour of a SISI style free ships and ammo system. |

Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
1338
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Posted - 2014.08.02 17:00:00 -
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Rena Emishi wrote:Xuixien wrote:Hello OP. One of my favorite things to do in EVE Online is problem solving and working out creative solutions. Instead of flaming you, I want to actually try to help you with this issue because... I agree with you that LowSec is one of the areas of the game that needs help. However, recent changes may have made LowSec mining viable for you. Because compression is now so easily available to people, hauling ore around has never been easier. For example, 100 units of Hedbergite takes of 300m3. However, compressed, this same amount of ore takes up only 0.14m3. So 100,000 units of Hedbergite - 300,000m3 of ore - can be smooshed into just 140m3. This is petty amazing! (My math might be wrong). A Compression Array costs 58 million ISK in Amarr. It fits on a small tower. An Intensive Reprocessing Array is 65 million ISK in Amarr and also fits on a small tower. A small tower costs around 70-80 million ISK depending on race, and will cost 10 fuel blocks - or 209,000 ISK - to run for an hour. If you can fly cloaking transport ships, you can easily fit a tower, a compression or reprocessing array, a Retriever or Covetor, and crystals as well as fuel into it and carry this into LowSec and to a station of your choosing. From there, the setup is relatively simple - you anchor and online the tower, set up the array (compression or reprocessing, depending on what will make you more ISK) and get to work mining. The transport ship also takes the finished products out of system. When you're done mining, take your tower down, and anchor it again when you want to mine more. The advantage of the POS is that you can use boosts from an Orca or Rorqual inside the shield. The disadvantage of this system is the amount of work needed (for a solo operation) and the risk of losing ships. The trick is
- Finding an out of the way LowSec where not many people go (a website called "dotlan" can help you) and has empty moons.
- Getting the Orca into LowSec if you decide to use boosts.
Of course, you can always find a group that lives in LowSec and does mining to join. They do exist. EDIT: I would like to add, OP, that -1.0 level ore anomalies are available to you just 1 jump from HiSec if you're daring, know how to bookmark, and have your probing skills trained. SOLO PLAYER !!. who is he going to boost in this orcca?, how will he defend his tower other than hiring help. not a viable option. Creative solution, fail.
Who is he going to boost in the Orca? Himself, of course.
How will he defend his tower? He doesn't have to - it's only up for a couple of hours at a time.
Totally a viable option for someone who's adventurous.
Epic Space Cat |

Grim Hood
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2014.08.02 17:25:00 -
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I'm all for making lowsec mining easier & more profitable. The more targets in lowsec the better  |
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