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Quineverre
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Posted - 2006.07.10 07:54:00 -
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 Originally by: Crowley
I've sobered up now, but tbh the story seems to make less sense to me now than it did last night. 
The short version comes down to pirates using the fact that you can shoot at them when they steal from cans and than they can shoot back at you. Basically to provoke some shooting in empire.
Not the most honourable of tactics but its pirates, nobody said they should be honourable.
A handy warning to be carefull when shooting back, to newbies who might not know about such tactics yet.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.07.10 08:07:00 -
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Originally by: Quineverre
Originally by: Crowley
I've sobered up now, but tbh the story seems to make less sense to me now than it did last night.
The short version comes down to pirates using the fact that you can shoot at them when they steal from cans and than they can shoot back at you. Basically to provoke some shooting in empire.
Not the most honourable of tactics but its pirates, nobody said they should be honourable.
A handy warning to be carefull when shooting back, to newbies who might not know about such tactics yet.
Actually, please read the thread. In the first post he mentions pirates, but as you read further, it becomes clear that this is an elaborate deception... the real criminals are: CONCORD! He aggressed a non-flagged guy in empire on the basis that he might as some point steal from his can (so, like any sensible man, he ECMed them  ). Concord blew him to hell. No pirates to be seen 
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Nicholai Pestot
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Posted - 2006.07.10 08:11:00 -
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Number one rule of eve.
You only own what you are strong enough to keep.
If your not strong enough to defend the loot drops, then it looks like your going to fail to keep em (and die trying)
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Crumplecorn
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Posted - 2006.07.10 08:11:00 -
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Originally by: Pax Althaleen
PK'ers (Player Killers)
I hate when people use this term. It's like calling people who play single player games NPC killers. Redundancy FTL.
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Quineverre
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Posted - 2006.07.10 08:47:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
Actually, please read the thread. In the first post he mentions pirates, but as you read further, it becomes clear that this is an elaborate deception... the real criminals are: CONCORD! He aggressed a non-flagged guy in empire on the basis that he might as some point steal from his can (so, like any sensible man, he ECMed them [:roll:
). Concord blew him to hell. No pirates to be seen
LOL, apparantly I should have had more coffee before even attempting to read forums. Thanks for the correction.
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gfldex
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Posted - 2006.07.10 08:50:00 -
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Originally by: Pax Althaleen
What was the End Game You ask ?
You missed the following:
> I went to the forum to whine about ppl by using inappropriate terms who did nothing to me showing that I don't even know the basics of the game and thus make myself a complete fool.
Maybe you should leave your warm and fuzzy noob corp and start to play the game.
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$ perl -n -e 'print "Stop blameing pirates! Oveur is the root of all evil!\n" if m/podkill|lost my ship|gank|gate camp|Verone/;'
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Crowley
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Posted - 2006.07.10 11:08:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
Actually, please read the thread. In the first post he mentions pirates, but as you read further, it becomes clear that this is an elaborate deception... the real criminals are: CONCORD! He aggressed a non-flagged guy in empire on the basis that he might as some point steal from his can (so, like any sensible man, he ECMed them ). Concord blew him to hell. No pirates to be seen
Concord ARE pirates 
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Hoshi
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Posted - 2006.07.10 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: Crowley
Concord ARE pirates
QFT
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Ricka Bronzar
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Posted - 2006.07.10 14:23:00 -
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well... where to start... im a newish player too, been playing a few months(offline for another 6months+ :P ) and I really cant beleive you posted this.
1. Your post is in relation to Pirates and there tactics, to warn others about them
However from your post you have/had no idea they were pirates. They were "closing" in on your can so u "assumed" they were gonna steal and acted rashly.
2. Your post is also in relation to other pirates sitting X far away ready to "snipe/gank" you.
However from your post this never happened and you have no way of backing this up as there "intended" actions.
All in I think you have learned some lessons here.
1. DO NOT attack anyone until they are flagged
2. If you thought they had snipe backup ready to attack, do not risk your ship by attacking, sometimes you have to cut your losses.
3. Its always a safe assumption that someone is going to can steal if they approach your can but dont act instantly, evaulate the situation....
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Ozmodan
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Posted - 2006.07.10 14:39:00 -
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thanks, I did not know about the autotarget thing, it is fixed now.
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Aion Amarra
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Posted - 2006.07.10 14:48:00 -
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Not even to mention that the way can flagging works, if he took something from your can, and you blew him to smithereens, that his gangmates could do jack about it.
What you have to watch out for is him picking up your stuff, and instantly rejettisoning it, in order to lure you into picking up YOUR stuff from HIS can, which would instantly flag you criminal for all his gang and corpmates, who could then blow YOU to pieces.
If he just loots you, feel free to attack him if he seems to be using a ship you can kill, then dock until the aggro timer runs out, and before he returns with a ship actually kitted to destroy yours.
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Faeden Pain
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Posted - 2006.07.10 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: Pax Althaleen
So - I come out of Warp at 15KMs to Station and BAM - It only takes the Navy Guns emplaced there 3 Seconds to Instapop and Pod Me.
Day...
  
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Faeden Pain
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Jaketh Ivanes
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Posted - 2006.07.10 14:59:00 -
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Originally by: Faeden Pain
Originally by: Pax Althaleen
So - I come out of Warp at 15KMs to Station and BAM - It only takes the Navy Guns emplaced there 3 Seconds to Instapop and Pod Me.
Day...
Oooo.. Concord and sentry killing POD's now... Glad i'm not a pirate, but a bit concerned about my usual luck
At the OP, check you logs of that day. Its in your EVE\Capute\Gamelogs folder. It tells you excatly what happend to you and who/what went wrong.
Because, as have been said, if the guy DIDN'T steal BEFORE you jammed him, then you are the evil pirate and got what you deserved (according to concords narrow vision anyways).
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.07.10 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes
Because, as have been said, if the guy DIDN'T steal BEFORE you jammed him, then you are the evil pirate and got what you deserved (according to concords narrow vision anyways).
It doesn't even have to be that narrow. This is the eve equivalent for punching someone in a pub for looking at you in a funny way
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Ricka Bronzar
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Posted - 2006.07.10 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
It doesn't even have to be that narrow. This is the eve equivalent for punching someone in a pub for looking at you in a funny way
Naa more like punching someone for approaching your beer....um wait a minute!!!!! 
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Rashmika Clavain
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Posted - 2006.07.10 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes
Because, as have been said, if the guy DIDN'T steal BEFORE you jammed him, then you are the evil pirate and got what you deserved (according to concords narrow vision anyways).
It doesn't even have to be that narrow. This is the eve equivalent for punching someone in a pub for looking at you in a funny way
**** that happens quite a lot though 
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Drizit
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Posted - 2006.07.10 18:10:00 -
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Edited by: Drizit on 10/07/2006 18:11:08
TBH, I'm confused with agressive and non agressive where Concord are concerned. I would have though that ECM would be defensive and therefore non agressive. So if I activate an ECM burst to prevent an agressor locking me which affects everyone within a certain radius, I am acting agressively to others who have not agressed me
Other defensive mods that don't provoke a Concord response are hardeners and the like. However, in reality, why would I activate hardeners if I am not going into combat even though they are defensive? I'd activate ECM to prevent the enemy locking me so I could get away but I should still need to use an offensive mod before Concord responds.
Such non lethal mods as target painters I can understand since they are definitely a preliminary to an attack, therefore they can be construed as an agressive act.
Why then is a cargo scanner not considered an act of agression? You lock someone and use a mod against them, it is non lethal just like the ECM. Surely this should provoke a Concord response as well then.
It's just too confusing.
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shwarzkauph
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Posted - 2006.07.10 18:37:00 -
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ahhh....I see its the usual pirates and pkers ftw. Once again its proven that control is in the aggressors hands. The person was doing a mission. It is obvious to all unbiased human beings that anyone approaching a guy in the middle of a mission has got to be up to no good due to the fact that you have to make an purposeful effort to fly toward someone doing a mission. The guy approaching the can was either A. going to steal your stuff or B. wanting to **** you off and provoke you enough to do something to him. Either way he was in control. The person being preyed upon has no control. They are forced to watch the scenio play out, let the aggressors get into position, clean thier teeth, comb their hair and adjust thier space suit. everythng is in thier hand. WHen they are ready to agress you "officially" is only when action can be taken. A band of thieves were agressing the OP, I dont care if the lame game mechanics which favor thieves call it agressing or not. He did not have innocent intentions and ther is no way in hell the true aggessors should come out clean in this affair. flame on.
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shwarzkauph
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Posted - 2006.07.10 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes
Because, as have been said, if the guy DIDN'T steal BEFORE you jammed him, then you are the evil pirate and got what you deserved (according to concords narrow vision anyways).
It doesn't even have to be that narrow. This is the eve equivalent for punching someone in a pub for looking at you in a funny way
no, its the equivalent of you comming out of the pub and seeing a thug wating for you by your car with a knife in hands. He hasnt agressed you, but I think you know what his intentions are.
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Hoshi
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Posted - 2006.07.10 19:19:00 -
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Edited by: Hoshi on 10/07/2006 19:19:27
Originally by: Drizit
Edited by: Drizit on 10/07/2006 18:11:08
TBH, I'm confused with agressive and non agressive where Concord are concerned. I would have though that ECM would be defensive and therefore non agressive. So if I activate an ECM burst to prevent an agressor locking me which affects everyone within a certain radius, I am acting agressively to others who have not agressed me
Other defensive mods that don't provoke a Concord response are hardeners and the like. However, in reality, why would I activate hardeners if I am not going into combat even though they are defensive? I'd activate ECM to prevent the enemy locking me so I could get away but I should still need to use an offensive mod before Concord responds.
Such non lethal mods as target painters I can understand since they are definitely a preliminary to an attack, therefore they can be construed as an agressive act.
Why then is a cargo scanner not considered an act of agression? You lock someone and use a mod against them, it is non lethal just like the ECM. Surely this should provoke a Concord response as well then.
It's just too confusing.
If looked at from a 1v1 situation ECM might seem defensive but when you come to groups it's no longer so.
Let's say 2 wartargets are fighting and a 3rd person comes in and jams one of them, suddenly it's very much an offensive action.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.07.10 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: shwarzkauph
ssdd
So, your argument is what? Concord should shoot you in high sec for looking a tad suspicious to an idiot with an itchy trigger finger?
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Boundary Limit
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Posted - 2006.07.10 19:48:00 -
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I am Sorry to hear about Your Loss. But it sounds like it was Just a Mistake on Your Part. Next Time you should be more Careful to not Shoot other Players who you don't have Kill Rights on.
Also I am Hoping that next time The Navy Guns can POD your Shift Key too so that It Stops randomly Capitalizing Words as you Post. 
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MuffinsRevenger
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Posted - 2006.07.10 19:57:00 -
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Can flagging can be... tricky...
but when you get it working it's tons of fun, nice way of fighting without having to wardec or risking... unwanted assistance in fighting by going into lowsec
and i'm not sure, but i got a feeling that can flagging and shooting don't get your security status lowerd, allthough i'm not sure
annyways, some advice, allways be carefull and think twice before doing annything and things like posted by OP can be avoided :) |
PeeWee Pee
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Posted - 2006.07.13 02:44:00 -
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sup with all the whining dude? me thinks ccp needs to include pirate lesson in tutorial just so noobs learn it. heck remove empire so we can gank n00bs right in tutorial that way they'll learn a good lesson and be a better prepared eve playa. empire is a bad idea in the first place. you want a pvp game not a half breed. |
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