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AnyDayNow	Posted - 2003.10.02 04:23:00 - [1] Edited by: AnyDayNow on 02/10/2003 04:50:11 Edited by: AnyDayNow on 02/10/2003 04:24:48 I hereby declare a war on AFK miner's in empire space I will do everything in my power to damage or destroy any AFK Miner's i see - It is just my opinion that this is not a proper way to play the game, as in most RPG's you could die if u are AFK and not "docked" in a safe place 1) No Newb's or people from newbie corp's will be attacked 2) msgs will be sent in local whilst locked on - if u dont respond within a reasonable time you will be attacked 3) Only indy's not responding will be attacked 4) we do not PK Our war can contiue only for a short time before we will have too low a sec rating to continue our quest - so this will not last long (7 days at most) Thank you for your time AnyDayNow PS - My understanding is that this is not illegal within the context or the game (we have concord to deal with...) - let me know if it is... - Based on a forum note i saw earlier... Quote: Quote: Response was as follows: It was a Legitimate hit - He was killed soon after killing me by concord, so they were just not quick enough so - is there now nowhere safe for an indy to be? No. Nor should there be. Find me one, just one multiplayer PvP game where it is safe to wander off and make a cup of tea. 1.0 should be almost 100% safe (which it is), but it should be possible to kill anyone, anywhere. Escaping is another matter entirely.
Viceroy	Posted - 2003.10.02 04:26:00 - [2] Stav i think lassie is trying to tell you something... -
AnyDayNow	Posted - 2003.10.02 04:32:00 - [3] Edited by: AnyDayNow on 02/10/2003 04:46:55 what does that mean please? is this OK to do - its not illegal? what is all this lassie stuff?
Viceroy	Posted - 2003.10.02 04:34:00 - [4] woof woof! -
NGRU Vulture	Posted - 2003.10.02 04:37:00 - [5] Quote: Edited by: AnyDayNow on 02/10/2003 04:24:48 I hereby declare a war on AFK miner's in empire space I will do everything in my power to damage or destroy any AFK Miner's i see - It is just my opinion that this is not a proper way to play the game, as in most RPG's you could die if u are AFK and not "docked" in a safe place 1) No Newb's or people from newbie corp's will be attacked 2) msgs will be sent in local whilst locked on - if u dont respond within a reasonable time you will be attacked 3) Only indy's not responding will be attacked 4) we do not PK Our war can contiue only for a short time before we will have too low a sec rating to continue our quest - so this will not last long (7 days at most) Thank you for your time AnyDayNow PS - My understanding is that this is not illegal within the context or the game (we have concord to deal with...) - let me know if it is... Well i hope for your own sake, you not gone do this in any space close to us other wise " We are PK" specialy pple who attacking Indys. Diplomacy it art of saing "good dogy" until you can find a big rock.
Intruders	Posted - 2003.10.02 04:46:00 - [6] Edited by: Intruders on 02/10/2003 04:46:51 Quote: Well i hope for your own sake, you not gone do this in any space close to us other wise " We are PK" specialy pple who attacking Indys. Go AnyDayNow GO! woof woof lassie says its ok Every man lives..but not every man dies! My sig sux
Kennian	Posted - 2003.10.02 07:43:00 - [7] it always amazes me how utterly stupid some people are. allow me to enlighten you.. AFK MINEING DOES NOT ALLOW ONE TO GET AHEAD are we clear? and by the way, i'm pritty sure you're a bloody hypocrite...i bet you stay at the keyboard through ALL those 40 jump runs and such, right? my faith in humanity dwindles along with it's average iq... ]
Baldour Ngarr	Posted - 2003.10.02 07:50:00 - [8] Who wrote that forum note? Because as I understand it, CCP's intention is that 1.0 space should be absolutely 100% safe, and that's why Concord were beefed up so much. If I'm right (I sometimes am), then your crusade will either (a) fail miserably, or (b) cause Concord to be beefed up even further, or (c) cause CCP to make it flatly impossible to lock target on another player in 1.0 space. _______ "Soon" is an ancient Icelandic word meaning "some time before the next Ice Age."
Drutort	Posted - 2003.10.02 07:58:00 - [9] Quote: Who wrote that forum note? Because as I understand it, CCP's intention is that 1.0 space should be absolutely 100% safe, and that's why Concord were beefed up so much. If I'm right (I sometimes am), then your crusade will either (a) fail miserably, or (b) cause Concord to be beefed up even further, or (c) cause CCP to make it flatly impossible to lock target on another player in 1.0 space. hahah i can see it now... you jump into 1.0 space.... "Your guns have now been disabled, if you activate your guns, at any time during 1.0 space you will be fired up on and your ship destroyed" wow ya that will be some funny ** all ppl in 1.0 space flying around with all there High's disabled or else concord will blow them away heheh... its funny and scary same time support Idea: QuickInfo** an alternative to ShowInfo my MoBlog
Jernau Gurgeh	Posted - 2003.10.02 09:14:00 - [10] Yeah, but it'll be bugged so that locking onto 'roids with a mining laser will be considered a hostile act... There are 10 sorts of people in the world - those who understand binary, and those who do not.
Jojin	Posted - 2003.10.02 09:33:00 - [11] It is obvious from the different postings of new players making mistakes and being destroyed in 1.0 space by NPC characters, no area is completely safe. If someone should choose to take on a suicide role then it should be an element afforded to them. It should also be noted his intentions are aimed at individuals in industrial vessels. I am of the opinion those individuals at the helm should not be considered as new players. Their ability to pilot and afford an industrial vessel would show they have had sufficient experience to be an active player in the Universe of EVE. Personally, I donÆt like violence and do not condone the stated actions. There may be struggling individuals who are doing their best to keep up with others which will fall victim. However, my personal feelings aside, the actions should not be considered breaking the rules of the game; they should be considered breaking the laws of Concorde, who will deal with the characters swiftly.
Destruct	Posted - 2003.10.02 10:01:00 - [12] sigh, why bother? an afk-miners will make some 150k isk an hour if they have good skills and good modules fitted. that's petty cash and they hardly suck belts dry. You can get more of what you want with a kind word and a gun than you can with just a kind word. - Al Capone
sutty	Posted - 2003.10.02 10:16:00 - [13] Edited by: sutty on 02/10/2003 10:16:55 I have fun with AFK miners on my alt, slap one some mwd and ram them out of range. its funny
Harliquin	Posted - 2003.10.02 11:05:00 - [14] Jeez guys are you all so sad and feeble that someone elses style of play gets you all riled up? get a grip, it is a game 'they' are not really getting ahead of you - they are not really cheating or exploiting. get on with playing the game yourself and enjoying it, and stop being pathetic and vindictive because someone isn't being 'fair' or meeting your exacting standards of how you should be playing this game.
Skokeh	Posted - 2003.10.02 11:10:00 - [15] well at least i've been warned - no more AFK mining for me for a while!
Cruise	Posted - 2003.10.02 11:16:00 - [16] Edited by: Cruise on 02/10/2003 11:18:06 That seems to be the underlying cause of the animosity: Players interpretting gameplay for everyone else. Don't like AFK mining? Where does it say in the user manual or on the box that's something they cannot do? If they're not using a macro, then they're not exploiting or cheating. Like many have said, it's hardly a 'lucrative' effort, it's simply someone trying to get ahead in the game the best way they see how. The arguement spills over to 'can whres', pod killers, people who manipulate the market before downtime, farming rats. Players who take umbrance against others because they don't care for the others' style of play is childish and ludicrous. If you're in the game simply to pss people off, do me a favor and go find a nice single player game and p*ss off the AI. ------------------------------------------- Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis ad capul tuum saxum immane mittam.
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.10.02 11:49:00 - [17] Quote: Jeez guys are you all so sad and feeble that someone elses style of play gets you all riled up? While I agree with the rest of the sentiments, as people's concerns of how others play the game lead to the "Griefer" and "Exploiter" catcalls... It truly scares me you called AFK mining a "style of play" I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Cruise	Posted - 2003.10.02 12:11:00 - [18] Perhaps style of play is less appropriate than interpretive use of game mechanics to better one's position. The problem lies in someone labelling a particular 'choice' (in what people do within the game itself) as wrong/negative/deplorable to the degree that they go out of their way to make those choices painful to the players. Decreeing yourself as judge and jury over what people CAN do in the game is dead wrong. If that was justifiable pod killing and taking ore from someone's jet can would have been banned long, long ago. What we'd end up with would be one hell of a boring, one-dimensional mining simulator. ------------------------------------------- Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis ad capul tuum saxum immane mittam.
AnyDayNow	Posted - 2003.10.02 12:12:00 - [19] Quote: AFK MINEING DOES NOT ALLOW ONE TO GET AHEAD are we clear? and by the way, i'm pritty sure you're a bloody hypocrite...i bet you stay at the keyboard through ALL those 40 jump runs and such, right? Well, my point is if I am AFK whilst making those jumps, and i die, is that not my own fault? Find me one, just one multiplayer PvP game where it is safe to wander off and make a cup of tea. Quote: Quote: Jeez guys are you all so sad and feeble that someone elses style of play gets you all riled up? While I agree with the rest of the sentiments, as people's concerns of how others play the game lead to the "Griefer" and "Exploiter" catcalls... It truly scares me you called AFK mining a "style of play" My point exactly Jash - these people who AFK mine do it as a religion - there should be risk in their reward is all im saying.......
NGRU Vulture	Posted - 2003.10.02 12:20:00 - [20] Edited by: NGRU Vulture on 02/10/2003 12:21:42 [quote Well, my point is if I am AFK whilst making those jumps, and i die, is that not my own fault? Find me one, just one multiplayer PvP game where it is safe to wander off and make a cup of tea. All literaly ALL MMORPG games allow you to do leave your char on and go make some tea , some of them allow you to obtaine resources by using macros you can leave char in game for lpiek 24 hours and get back get full load of resources, yes Macros in some games allowed officialy, in EVE not and i am very greatfull for this, but in some games yes, + like i say in every single PVP MMORPG game you can leave your char in save spot and be shure when you get back to it it will be a live... It if you know this game well.. Diplomacy it art of saing "good dogy" until you can find a big rock.
AnyDayNow	Posted - 2003.10.02 12:46:00 - [21] well 2 indy's were parked last night next to HUGE secure containers - and i suspected they may be using macro's so now they blewed up
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2003.10.02 12:47:00 - [22] Who are you to judge who's afk mining there and who is not? I'm mining in afk mode right now as I deal with corporate business, take stock of our inventory and check up on our members needs, hardly afk. Pitiful loser. Convert Stations
Scragg	Posted - 2003.10.02 12:49:00 - [23] Quote: I hereby declare a war on AFK miner's in empire space I will do everything in my power to damage or destroy any AFK Miner's i see..... ahhhhh! Run! It's the attack of the killer noob! Scragg, Tyrell Corporation Vice-Director Military Operations
Discorporation	Posted - 2003.10.02 12:51:00 - [24] Quote: All literaly ALL MMORPG games allow you to do leave your char on and go make some tea , some of them allow you to obtaine resources by using macros you can leave char in game for lpiek 24 hours and get back get full load of resources, yes Macros in some games allowed officialy, in EVE not and i am very greatfull for this, but in some games yes, + like i say in every single PVP MMORPG game you can leave your char in save spot and be shure when you get back to it it will be a live... It if you know this game well.. We got em too! They're called stations! [Heterocephalus glaber]
Stavros	Posted - 2003.10.02 12:58:00 - [25] lassie > eve -- "Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You"
drunkenmaster	Posted - 2003.10.02 13:36:00 - [26] Edited by: drunkenmaster on 02/10/2003 13:39:42 Give the dude a break, at best, they will be able to take out 4-5 indies each before they can't fly a ship anymore, and will have to resort to the egg. Let them have their fun. At least he gave fair warning. Fun aside, I'd rather they spent their 4-5 kills on macro miners instead. Find someone in a thorax, pumping crap into a can. Open convo. If you get no response, start hauling their ore for them (to your base).. If you still get no response, and are bored of hauling their ore back to your hangar, then kill them. anyone 'really' mining in a thorax will be checking his screen every 50-60 seconds, so they would be sure to see the convo window.. I would fully support this. Macrominers need to die. ---- Also, someone suggested disabling guns in 1.0... For the love of god, no. how are you gonna fight a corp war when your enemy moves his base to a 1.0? .
Naakii	Posted - 2003.10.02 13:39:00 - [27] Edited by: Naakii on 02/10/2003 13:39:35 One of my corp members sent a GM a message about suspected afk mining, they told us it can't be proved and there is nothing we can do about it, but: they did give us some suggestions for things to do to the afk players if they are indeed afk. You know, I think the GMs spend far too much time beign nice, because this guy CLEARLY had some supressed rage. I'm not even going to list the suggestions, because some of them would become very popular, and **** a lot of people off.
Trixxy	Posted - 2003.10.02 13:41:00 - [28] Jash said: Quote: While I agree with the rest of the sentiments, as people's concerns of how others play the game lead to the "Griefer" and "Exploiter" catcalls... You are still seeing things in black-and-white Jash. There's a difference between a call of 'Griefer' and an unfair criticism of the way others play the game. All games are better off without true griefers. It is actually griefers and exploiters that are responsible for so many of the restrictions that are placed in online games (not ALL restrictions - but many of them). But all too often, a true griefer will still defend their play style as valid. Yes, it may be VALID, but it is not condoned or seen as acceptable behaviour by the majority of the community. Griefing = A play style that is not condoned as it involves deliberately and continually causing annoyance to others through direct action taken against them for no in-game gain to the griefer. E.g. In game X, killing noobs over-and-over again with a high-level char for no gain of experience or cash. Valid play style - definitely (if there's nothing in the game mechanics that stop it). Condoned? Not at all. I am quite happy to live in a universe where you can call someone out for being a griefer. I am not happy being in a universe where one complains about the way someone else is playing, although it is not directly harming anyone else. How they play in that case is truly their business. Quote: It truly scares me you called AFK mining a "style of play" It IS a style of play - just not one that you happen to like. Not liking something is not grounds for saying it doesn't or shouldn't exist. It may be scary that some opt to play like this, but yes, it is still a "style of play". (Patiently awaits the frothing-at-the-mouth stream that will come from Jash in response to this. Please note that I am not as bad as he will claim I am. His opinion of my reputation preceeds me.) . . - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ...and remember - No pain, no pain.
drunkenmaster	Posted - 2003.10.02 13:44:00 - [29] Quote: Edited by: Naakii on 02/10/2003 13:39:35 One of my corp members sent a GM a message about suspected afk mining, they told us it can't be proved and there is nothing we can do about it, but: they did give us some suggestions for things to do to the afk players if they are indeed afk. You know, I think the GMs spend far too much time beign nice, because this guy CLEARLY had some supressed rage. I'm not even going to list the suggestions, because some of them would become very popular, and **** a lot of people off. you may be mistaking AFK mining and macro mining here. to disrupt AFK miners, you can: mine their roid kill them get an MWD and bounce them out of mining range not much else to disrupt macro miners, you can: steal their ore as fast as they can mine it mine out the entire belt destroy the can they're using move the can they're using move them out of range convo them (window should disrupt macro) kill them ah... such fun to be had.. .
Zarwi	Posted - 2003.10.02 13:45:00 - [30] Quote: Edited by: AnyDayNow on 02/10/2003 04:50:11 Edited by: AnyDayNow on 02/10/2003 04:24:48 I hereby declare a war on AFK miner's in empire space I will do everything in my power to damage or destroy any AFK Miner's i see - It is just my opinion that this is not a proper way to play the game, as in most RPG's you could die if u are AFK and not "docked" in a safe place 1) No Newb's or people from newbie corp's will be attacked 2) msgs will be sent in local whilst locked on - if u dont respond within a reasonable time you will be attacked 3) Only indy's not responding will be attacked 4) we do not PK Our war can contiue only for a short time before we will have too low a sec rating to continue our quest - so this will not last long (7 days at most) Thank you for your time AnyDayNow PS - My understanding is that this is not illegal within the context or the game (we have concord to deal with...) - let me know if it is... - Based on a forum note i saw earlier... Quote: Quote: Response was as follows: It was a Legitimate hit - He was killed soon after killing me by concord, so they were just not quick enough so - is there now nowhere safe for an indy to be? No. Nor should there be. Find me one, just one multiplayer PvP game where it is safe to wander off and make a cup of tea. 1.0 should be almost 100% safe (which it is), but it should be possible to kill anyone, anywhere. Escaping is another matter entirely. You really are a moron. Go ahead destroy ships in 1.0 space. Concord will show up, warp jam you, and blow your ass up. Rather fitting for a moron like yourself. pfft

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