Honestly i dont know what you people expect, there has been countless years worth of threads were we have whined about how predictible WH's are and how easy it is for your content of the moment to roll you away at their choosing perfectly safely unless you have a bubble up before they click warp.

Now CCP actually try to do something and you all carry on like it is going to ruin WH's.

I actually like the change.

No more risk adverse people easily rolling holes

This seems like a good change that will cause a lot more interesting choices.

Well no what they do now is they warp a dread and Orca and roll it in your face while you sit their twiddling your thumbs unable to do **** all about it unless you got a bubble up in which case they always see the bubble and log off anyway.

My response to this thread are not trolling at all, these are my legitimate views that this change is a move in the right direction for WH space.

You really think you should have the right to safely roll away a hostile incoming Wh with perfect safety with your dread and Orca?

you really think people should be able to rage roll as it stands now with only a few people active while the rest sit on TS sperging about the other games they are activily playing while those few people SAFELY rage roll? Is that how it should be? LOL

You really think it should be ok that when skirmish's happen they are allowed to safely jump the subcap fleet then the dread home when the risk becomes to great for the fight they just entered into?

I really do think this would increase PVP and FORCED PVP not the near perfect safety it is done with current mechanics

Can i have your stuff.

This will also help smaller groups that like to PVP, no longer will they catch someone with their pants down only for that person to sit cloaked at the WH with two sets of cloak timers giving them extra time to wait until backup arrives from their C5/6, instead they will be 15km's off the hole dying to that C2 guy with him and his mate having a go at PVP.

You're going to have to explain how this will cause less fights as I'm not seeing it. I can see it increasing the viability of fleet comps for sure. It'll mean there's more chance to catch stragglers alone.

The only way the ratio would change is if you get more ganks, nothing wrong with that. Who knows, maybe those ganks will escalate into a fight.

Now for the rest of you risk adverse carebears to roll over like this guy...

Now for the rest of you risk adverse carebears to roll over like this guy...

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I always find it hard to get a lock on a really slow to warp BS 15km off a WH...

Do you guys even believe some of the crap you write?

I have never seen half the people in this thread bitching about how this is so game breaking ever come to Wh forums to come to discuss any WH mechanics or ideas until their perfect little world of insta rolling away issues is threatened.

I'm sorry that i don't believe your sky is falling bullshit.

I really would love to debate with you further but i have always held the policy of not replying to NPC alts, even a well known NPC alt like yours.

Apparently though if you don't agree with the masses and think the change is good people think that instead of debating the reasoning with you they have some right to ask where i get my experience from or what is your corp history.

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People don't complain when they think things are stale and boring either, they just leave to do other things in the game or leave the game all together. Look at current login player numbers over a week period, look at the breakup of so many groups and their major consolidation of WH groups into only a few players and tell me you think everyone is happy with the current form of WH's.

Do you really think the way WH's are at the moment are in anyway interesting and fun? (trying not to answer a question with a question but..)

Look the only thing i don't like about this change is it isn't showing any consistency in the goal direction of WH space from CCP and that concerns me that they are not being open with what they want from us.

- They leave instant sig overlay (carebear safe mode)
- They come up with a 5min delay for new sigs (no carebears will stay)
- Then they forget they ever mentioned the idea (back to carebear mode)
- They removed sleeper API data becauseit was too powerfull (carebears get a little safer)
- Now this change (clearly a PVP driven idea)

They need to be more consistent with the direction they want to take because they are not balancing it well currently.


Do you think this change will result in more activity in wormhole space (more wormhole connections, more people running sites, more people rolling) or less? [i] Please explain your answer. [/i


I think if they wanted to do something that resulted in more people in WH space they could have chosen something else entirely instead of this, i have never once said this will result in more people in Wh's. The above carebear mode changes have resulted in more people in wh space (You can't deny that)

What i have said is the current way all these players in Wh space interact with each other is stale and SAFE. The people in this thread that are trying to say its not perfectly safe to roll away hostile chains are ******* delusional. There is only very situational times that you can ever kill people rolling away a C5/6 chain on you.

How many times have you found a group you thought would and could fight you only to hear your scout say "nevermind they are rolling" when they want to do it is all over by then with not a thing you can do and that group then picks and chooses its interactions with whoever they want in what is supposed to be a dangerous area of the game.

I actually do feel this will lead to more fun had by WH people and more interactions, the larger groups will still roll holes like they always have with it only taking them a few minutes longer and yes the smaller groups may be more hesitant to do so but now instead of them safely picking the perfect chain whenever they want they will be forced to scan a chain they may have just rolled away because they saw a known entity in the chain.

So yes i think it will lead to less people rolling chains but maybe they shouldn't be rolling away non optimal chains and be forced to interact with other players in an MMO. If you want a safe escalation period and roll away or crit your static you should be at risk to make that happen. if you want to get your 30B or so escalation loot to HS or replace that fleet you just lost you should have to risk more then just rolling the C5 or C6 untill you get a C2/3 HS, you should have to go down some more risky chains or be forced to risk a little more to roll that chain to get the one you want.

The way it is is too easy and too safe. Not only is it safe to roll now it is STOPPING interactions with other players by the chains you get to pick and choose at will in perfect safety at no cost.

If by your own arguments it will stop rage rolling in its tracks then won't people by that same argument be more inclined to run sites if they feel safer that less people are rolling? Won't they then leave their chain open for you to find them? Or bubble it up now for "safety"?

You guys need to accept this is happening and you are probably too late to stop it and instead start working on ideas and iterations on how you think they could make it better TBH.

EDIT: Loving the hate mail from your alts by the way guys, i feed off that thanks.

I still want new content though! A wormhole generator or a ship that can gradually reduce the mass of a wormhole without jumping would counteract this change in a small way...

Look I have to agree, I support the mass/distance change but combined with the removal or polorization I have to wonder what will be next and with CCP's track record I am going to get on the concerned bandwagon


I think we need to see a devblog pretty damn soon.