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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
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Posted - 2014.08.04 02:17:00 -
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Long ago, it's reported that a person opposed to The New Order of Halaima (hereinafter "CODE." or "ganker") got involved in a Local Chat battle. Local Chat battles seem to very enjoyable events for CODE. members. They are something of a separate sport outside of piloting ships, it seems. If there is an intermission on the action, CODE. can often be counted on to do its best to whip up some intermission entertainment in Local Chat. Sometimes they can be quite diligent and persistent about it, as if trying to force a response.
In any event, on one of those occasions, reportedly, the person opposed to CODE. that we speak of (hereinafter "F. SEAL") made a comment or comments about text in a ganker individual's bio. The text was a tribute to a deceased member of the EVE community. Unforgivable and tasteless conduct, I think any reader will agree. But apparently, that communication was made in Local Chat, or perhaps Private Convo. In any event, it was communicated to a limited audience, and the text of limited duration, subject to being lost unless deliberately found by Scroll Up.
But... thereafter, CODE's designated diplomat (who is, incidentally, a member of the current CSM), posted notice of that Local Chat communication here in General Discussion. By this writer's reading of the post, the content could be summarized as: "A member of the anti-ganking community said something foul and despicable about a murdered member of the EVE community. But out of respect, etc., etc., we'll let it drop." Said post thereby (in this writer's opinion), not limiting the damage of a harmful but temporary Local Chat post, but instead spreading it's exposure to the entire General Discussion-reading community. Where it notice of the harm would sit and be accessed by otherwise unknowing people over a period of days.
Time passed. CODE. people and anti-ganker people battled in space and in Local Chat. All was well. Then, a prominent member of the anti-ganking community posted on his blog that his spouse had passed away. It seems it was only a matter of time before CODE., with its love of prolonged Local Chat/Private Convo mind fooking, could not resist working that vulnerable point. The attack on the player featured The Conference Elite (main CODE. corp) loyalanon digging the player about his deceased wife in Convo, with prolonged gang-up/tag-team support. (An interesting detail: A Conference Elite corp member saying "and you're still doing her.") So much for "We're so offended about offensive chatting"....
The player quit the game, apparently he also took down all of his gankerbumping blogs. So I can't link the chat log that he'd posted. I or somebody can get the documentation though.
In summary: a) If you want to make hay with hypocritical propoganda, best do it right. It may make you look stupid if you get caught. b) Welcome to the Bonus Room, round 2! Same old thing, new package. c)  "Were [sic] not your monkey and so what?"-á -The Sex Pistols (2006) |

45thtiger 0109
AL3XAND3R.
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Posted - 2014.08.04 02:22:00 -
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
2340
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Posted - 2014.08.04 02:27:00 -
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Fallen Seal should have been banned - it was done within EvE.
The Code members involved in this latest rubbish should be banned - but it was down outside EvE.
But none of that will happen unless it is petitioned (My understanding is that a petition has been made and Code are dealing with it internally also).
The OP of this thread should be banned too.
Let it drop and let these things be dealt with in the right place. At least, if you are going to come whine in the forum on an issue like this, do it objectively and not with your one sided opinion about who is worse. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
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Posted - 2014.08.04 02:29:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Fallen Seal should have been banned.
The Code members involved in this latest rubbish should be banned.
But none of that will happen unless it is petitioned (My understanding is that a petition has been made and Code are dealing withi it internally also).
The OP of this thread should be banned too.
Let it drop and let these things be dealt with in the right place. At least, if you are going to come whine in the forum on an issue like this, do it objectively and not with your one sided opinion about who is worse. The more detail-oriented guys with the times and dates have petitions up mate. 
You can call it one-sided, I call it bringing out facts in response to propaganda. Which, by nature, is wholly one-sided. "Were [sic] not your monkey and so what?"-á -The Sex Pistols (2006) |

Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
2340
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Posted - 2014.08.04 02:31:00 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote:The more detail-oriented guys with the times and dates have petitions up mate.  Exactly.
So why bring this bullshit to the forum like a whiny little kid who just sees an opportunity to make his own point at the expense of an already poor situation.
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I'm A Potato
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2014.08.04 02:31:00 -
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Take 50m Buy a limo Buy couple of black SUVs Hire a team of security for those SUV Drive in Detroit in my limo Protected by my team of security Stop at a playground See a group of black kids Step out of the limo Walk over to the kids Poke and prod each one Pick the skinniest black kid Take him into my limo Feed him Mcdonalds, Burger King, whatever it is Drop him off the playground Kids, parents, police is confused Repeat everyday Fast forward 20 years later Detroit is crimefree Because all black kids that grew up Is fat |

Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
3434
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Posted - 2014.08.04 02:35:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Khergit Deserters wrote:The more detail-oriented guys with the times and dates have petitions up mate.  Exactly. So why bring this bullshit to the forum like a whiny little kid who just sees an opportunity to make his own point at the expense of an already poor situation. Well... Because they personally attacked my friend, who lost his wife. Is that good enough, or not enough? "Were [sic] not your monkey and so what?"-á -The Sex Pistols (2006) |

Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
702
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Posted - 2014.08.04 02:37:00 -
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It seems these ppl are unavoidable filth of EvE .
it is hard to draw a line what is vid game and what is rl life to ppl who don't have any.
I pity them. http://i.imgur.com/1N37t.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KTjFEt6.jpg I dont always fly stabber but when i do...
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
2340
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Posted - 2014.08.04 02:46:00 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote:Because they targeted the inner mind of my friend, who'd lost his wife, and did a cynical assault on it. And they insulted the deceased. That's enough for me. Actually I hope either I or the culprit get banned. That would leave no gray areas. So because you feel personally offended, you believe that gives you the right to come and flaunt the forum rules?
I know it's common, but come on, your just pulling yourself over this. Your way to grind your finger into everybody's wounds a little bit and get off on calling people out for being pricks.
If it's already been petitioned, then let CCP sort it out.
If at the end of that you aren't happy, then go write a blog about it.
Just make sure you give equal time to calling out Fallen Seal on it too. You didn't come whinging in here when it was "only" Vile Rat that was shown disrespect. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Yokai Mitsuhide
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
5445
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Posted - 2014.08.04 02:47:00 -
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Why am I not surprised code are not only bad people in game, but bad people in real life to. So sick of reading about them, and this is very much a perma ban worthy incident. |
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
2340
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Posted - 2014.08.04 02:51:00 -
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Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:Why am I not surprised code are not only bad people in game, but bad people in real life to. So sick of reading about them, and this is very much a perma ban worthy incident. If you think the actions of 2 people apply to everyone who has fun in game through the Code, then you must surely think everyone else (I'm also in the everyone else category, as are you I'm guessing) must also be bad people in real life based on the actions of Fallen Seal prior to the stupidity of the Code guys.
Would that be right? You're a bad person also because of Fallen Seal.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Yokai Mitsuhide
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
5445
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Posted - 2014.08.04 02:56:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:Why am I not surprised code are not only bad people in game, but bad people in real life to. So sick of reading about them, and this is very much a perma ban worthy incident. If you think the actions of 2 people apply to everyone who has fun in game through the Code, then you must surely think everyone else (I'm also in the everyone else category, as are you I'm guessing) must also be bad people in real life based on the actions of Fallen Seal prior to the stupidity of the Code guys. Would that be right? You're a bad person also because of Fallen Seal.
I meant the ban being for those involved with this situation obviously...not their whole entire group. That should have been obvious but you were to busy trying to run to the rescue and defend code. |

Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
2340
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Posted - 2014.08.04 02:58:00 -
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Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:I meant the ban being for those involved with this situation obviously...not their whole entire group. That should have been obvious but you were to busy trying to run to the rescue and defend code. Then say what you mean rather than generalise to the whole group being bad in real life.
I'm not trying to defend anyone.
My first post made it clear where I stand. Ban them all, for both instances. But the forum isn't the right place to discuss this. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2014.08.04 03:04:00 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote:But... thereafter, CODE's designated diplomat (who is, incidentally, a member of the current CSM) Just a nitpick, I assume you're referring to DJentropy Ovaert?
He's not on the CSM, that's DJ FunkyBacon. Never hold your farts in. They travel up your spine and into the brain, where they ferment. They then migrate to your keyboard via your fingers. That's where shiptoasts come from.
Nil mortifi sine lucre. |

Jur Tissant
Unreal Darkness
129
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Posted - 2014.08.04 03:04:00 -
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Players who make personal attacks against others, which are not in the spirit of competition in the game, should at least face a warning. This is a competitive game with a divided playerbase but it's still only a game. |

Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.04 03:42:00 -
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Khergit, I think you shouldn't lend your name to defend Gorila. His comments were inappropriate, he tried and failed to finger loyalanon for reprehensible comments against his wife, which were never actually made.
Now that the smear campaign has failed, Gorila is fueling more drama.
Is this really someone you want to defend?
Khergit Deserters wrote:CODE's designated diplomat (who is, incidentally, a member of the current CSM) I wasn't aware DJ is a part of CSM9.
This has no connection to Ripard and Ero 1. The Muppets: P+¦pc++rn (thanks Ria!) "So.. youre saying you cant create content.... because other people are out... creating content?" --United Arab Emirates |

Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
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Posted - 2014.08.04 03:42:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Khergit Deserters wrote:But... thereafter, CODE's designated diplomat (who is, incidentally, a member of the current CSM) Just a nitpick, I assume you're referring to DJentropy Ovaert? He's not on the CSM, that's DJ FunkyBacon. Derp. Thanks, and please everybody clarify your facts. Was not DJ FunkyBacon. Repeat, DJ FunkyBacon is cool. "Were [sic] not your monkey and so what?"-á -The Sex Pistols (2006) |

Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2037
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Posted - 2014.08.04 03:48:00 -
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is this a Free Erotica1 topic? ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.04 04:06:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:The Code members involved in this latest rubbish should be banned - but it was down outside EvE. Can you prove it was them? No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |

Derrick Miles
EVENumbers
472
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Posted - 2014.08.04 04:21:00 -
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If there was a personal attack on another player about his deceased wife then there should be a severe punishment for it. But there should also be proof and it should be handled by CCP, not by the general discussion forums. |
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
3364
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Posted - 2014.08.04 04:31:00 -
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Mina Sebiestar wrote:It seems these ppl are unavoidable filth of EvE .
it is hard to draw a line what is vid game and what is rl life to ppl who don't have any.
I pity them.
Pity them?
That is kind, and hardly justice. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
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Posted - 2014.08.04 04:37:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Khergit, I think you shouldn't lend your name to defend Gorila. His comments were inappropriate, he tried and failed to finger loyalanon for reprehensible comments against his wife, which were never actually made. Now that the smear campaign has failed, Gorila is fueling more drama. Is this really someone you want to defend?
Came here to say this. Love to see the OP address it, what's more. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |

Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
2341
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Posted - 2014.08.04 04:37:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:The Code members involved in this latest rubbish should be banned - but it was down outside EvE. Can you prove it was them? No, of course not and not trying to. Should say, all involved irrespective of side, should be banned, but it was all done out of game, which complicates things. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
3364
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Posted - 2014.08.04 04:49:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:The Code members involved in this latest rubbish should be banned - but it was down outside EvE. Can you prove it was them? No, of course not and not trying to. Should say, all involved irrespective of side, should be banned, but it was all done out of game, which complicates things.
The problem with banning code members is the vast majority of them are throwaway alts. Now, if CCP had the stones to ban all accounts associated that share the same IP, plus anyone who publicly donated cash, (plus all associated accounts of the same IP) to this group of pure evil, that would be start.
But of course, that won't happen. Too many prominent players might actually go down. let alone the financial hit to CCP. |

Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
2342
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Posted - 2014.08.04 04:52:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:The problem with banning code members is the vast majority of them are throwaway alts. Really? Where's your evidence for that?
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
8413
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Posted - 2014.08.04 04:56:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:The Code members involved in this latest rubbish should be banned - but it was down outside EvE. Can you prove it was them? No, of course not and not trying to. Should say, all involved irrespective of side, should be banned, but it was all done out of game, which complicates things. The problem with banning code members is the vast majority of them are throwaway alts. Now, if CCP had the stones to ban all accounts associated that share the same IP, plus anyone who publicly donated cash, (plus all associated accounts of the same IP) to this group of pure evil, that would be start. But of course, that won't happen. Too many prominent players might actually go down. let alone the financial hit to CCP.
Instead, I'd like to see them take action against all the real life threats and flagrant verbal abuse being thrown around by our detractors. You know, since that actually is a violation of the EULA and ganking is not.
I've heard some crap from these "people" that I wouldn't hear in a warzone. That's why I give to CODE, after all. Because that kind of abuse needs to be persecuted relentlessly. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |

Derrick Miles
EVENumbers
473
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Posted - 2014.08.04 05:00:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Instead, I'd like to see them take action against all the real life threats and flagrant verbal abuse being thrown around by our detractors. You know, since that actually is a violation of the EULA and ganking is not.
I've heard some crap from these "people" that I wouldn't hear in a warzone. That's why I give to CODE, after all. Because that kind of abuse needs to be persecuted relentlessly.
Yes, you and CODE. are righteous champions of justice. Ever occur to you that those threats and verbal abuse come right after you gank them? |

Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
4684
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Posted - 2014.08.04 05:03:00 -
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Derrick Miles wrote:Yes, you and CODE. are righteous champions of justice. Ever occur to you that those threats and verbal abuse come right after you gank them? Please explain how threats and verbal abuse are justified in response to destruction of Internet spaceships. The Muppets: P+¦pc++rn (thanks Ria!) "So.. youre saying you cant create content.... because other people are out... creating content?" --United Arab Emirates |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
8413
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Posted - 2014.08.04 05:03:00 -
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Derrick Miles wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Instead, I'd like to see them take action against all the real life threats and flagrant verbal abuse being thrown around by our detractors. You know, since that actually is a violation of the EULA and ganking is not.
I've heard some crap from these "people" that I wouldn't hear in a warzone. That's why I give to CODE, after all. Because that kind of abuse needs to be persecuted relentlessly.
Yes, you and CODE. are righteous champions of justice. Ever occur to you that those threats and verbal abuse come right after you gank them?
There is no excuse to flagrantly violate the EULA in response to a legitimate in game action.
The fact that you think there is says a lot. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |

Derrick Miles
EVENumbers
473
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Posted - 2014.08.04 05:08:00 -
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I don't believe I ever said they were justified, only that they were caused by it. |
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