I am keeping it on topic. Marmite got DUNKED. That's the topic.

You know, it's been nearly a day since you mentioned that. Good thing too, people were starting to forget.

Not mad, just enjoys trolling you because you cant resist and have to reply. Anyone who wasn't completely full of them self would have figured this out after that last thread you opened.

Yes, yes it does.

Maybe just ignore him? Then.... it will seem like you don't care.

Still waiting for an answer on this one by the way.

I wasn't actually asking you. But ok, so rebirth were already dead at that point after failing at EVE. Good to know.

Seems strange that you guys all have the same ideas though, like every merc corp has at some point defeated THE WHOLE OF HIGHSEC and yet still get dunked when going into a real fight. Very strange that.

Erm, I'm not really sure how you get to that one. How does me "getting the whole idea" of merc have anything to do with your utterly ludicrous claims that you defeated the whole of highsec and had to disband because of it?

What I'm claiming is that when you state that rebirth caused alliances to disband, then you had to disband yourselves because there was noone left to fight because you beat everyone, that you are in fact a lying sack of ****.

So was that you conceding defeat?

Even you have to admit, there's some truth to it though.

lol?

I do like how you were all like "Oh no! He's questioning rebirth and I have no evidence to back up my ludicrous claims! Find meme pictures quickly and change the subject!".

lol, like what?

Fact is mate, rebirth were crap, and that's why they died. Just check out their KB, not even a blip on what the modern day mercs have.

Rebirth were the greatest and won highsec, but he can't find anything that proves this to be true so he keep asking me to "prove" random things, as if me being unable to prove things I've never said somehow covers for his lies.

Good at what exactly? From looking around, Rebirth seemed to only be good at crying on the forums and disbanding, yet according to NightmareX, they beat every single high sec PvP group to the point that most of them disbanded, and everyone would refuse to fight. Due to the lack of fights Rebirth were forced to disband because everyone else was too scared. That must also include Marmite. Apparently you guys got much better with the introduction of rebirth guys, so thank god they came and joined you though.

Yes, and I was responding to the first part. The second part was you just mumbling about how my opinions are moot because :reasons:. Believe it or not, you actually aren't the guy that decides who's opinions are valid.

I get that you want to leap in to defend your teammate, but seriously, go and read up some of the stuff he's been saying and you may want to reconsider. I mean you guys may as well be cannon fodder for the rebirth core group that still exists within Marmite correcting your inabilities to fit ships, FC fleets and fight empire wars.

I didn't say everyone disbanded, I said most, and that those who didn't disband refused to fight. And on we lead to the NightmareX quote hall of fame!

Here's you claiming you went inactive because everyone surrendered to you.

yet according to NightmareX, they beat every single high sec PvP group to the point that most of them disbanded

Here's you claiming again that you went inactive because you ran out of people to fight.

Probably my favourite, here's you claiming to have "steamrolled" everyone in empire.

And last but not least, you claiming that "alot" of alliances and corps disbanded because of you:

So lead on with your proof of all of this. You know, like you "steamrolling" empire, which I might add included Marmite and many of the other merc corps that exist today. Did you steamroll all of them too? We'll ask them. Hey, you other mercs and while we're here, all highsec PvPers. Do you all remember being steamrolled by afterbirth?

Page 9 and no round 2? All of you quit posturing, get in ships, undock and fight.

I get 3 pages as the adrenaline seaps out, but at this point a select few of you are turning a wonderful engagement into garbage. Pew pew and fun was had. Please shut it until round 2 results are in.

OK, so where in that did i say "everyone disbanded"? I highlighted the word you seem to have missed.

So you claimed to have beaten everyone in empire, and disbanded "alot" of them. Is that not true? Is that not what you claimed?

Prove it.
Prove that you "steamrolled everyone with fighting power in empire". Prove that "Alot of alliances / corps in empire have dispanded because of Rebirth.". Prove that "Rebirth went inactive because no one wanted to fight us.".

You can't You're trying to go back on what you've previously stated because you know you were making it up. Your claims would mean that you beat every single empire merc and every single empire PvP corporation and alliance, to the point that not a single group would still fight you. It's total and utter bollocks.

Pointless arguing is pointless.

Lets dance!

No less then last night where we defended (repped) the pocos they put into reinforcement, we chased a marmite fleet back to uedema, they had a bigger fleet with way bigger ships then us and yet they didnt fight us, they have surely had a chance for round 2 without taking it :)

LOL, you didn't say "some" or "a few" though, did you? You said "alot". Perhaps "most" was a slight exaggeration, but it certainly isn't like you claiming you disbanded a couple then me claiming you said "all", so don;t even try that ****.

I tell you what, how many alliances and corps would you say you forced to disband? Give a definitive answer here, and we'll use that going forward.

No, that's not at ALL what you said. Read the quote which is your words exactly:
"We had steamrolled everyone with fighting power in empire"

Those are your words.

So we're back to this. You make outrageous claims, and then demand that I prove you wrong, something which you know is basically impossible. That's like saying "I went to the moon once. Prove that I didn't!". The onus is on your to prove it because it your made up claims.

Overall though, I don't claim to know everything about highsec PvP, but I certainly have enough experience of empire combat and EVE in general to know what I'm talking about and know when people are talking ****. I don't claim that Marmite are the worst at everything, they just aren't the elite PvPers that some of you claim to be, at least not in the traditional sense of the term. You have a particular way you (as a group) choose to fight (most of the time, not necessarily all of it) which suits your playstyle, and that's fine.

NightmareX though talks out of his ass, constantly, and in doing so creates a reaction which reflects badly on your whole group. How can you really expect people to talk straight with you guys when you've got an ex-afterbirth member claiming to have "steamrolled everyone with fighting power in empire", and when the goto move when speaking with some of your members is chestbeating and smacktalking?

Watch the Techno-Viking video I posted. It will make you all happy and less prone to arguments.

Don't make me ask him to step in here!

OK, so you disbanded 20 corps/alliances. Prove it.

No... steamrolling means that you fought and beat them with little to no opposition. So you categorically beat every empire PvP corp and alliance, is that what you are saying? Did you steamroll Marmite for example?

Then prove they are true. Your claims aren't true just because you say them, because newsflash: you have a reason to lie.

That's funny, because I distinctly remember you claiming that Rebirth still exists inside Marmite. And no, marmites stats PROVE that marmite have deceased in kills since you guys joined.

No, you lie about the history of rebirth to make it sound like you were better than you were. Realistically you were nobodies. This is proven by the fact that you are barely ever mentioned by anyone, and when you are mentioned it's people laughing about how inept you were. You expect people to just believe that you defeated every single empire PvP group and disbanded a bunch of alliances and corps, yet you provide no evidence of this.

If I'm wrong, PROVE IT.

Should be pretty easy. I imagine that to make them disband, you must have killed them, so they will be on your killboard with at the very least hundreds of billions in deaths.

The word you used was everyone. Read your own dman quote. Go ahead, read it. i'l even put it here again for you to miss the word everyone.
"We had steamrolled everyone with fighting power in empire"
Can you read that now? Is it clear enough? You steamrolled everyone with fighting power. So you must have steamrolled Marmite, right?

A little picture of your Rebith fun club? No, I'm good, I imagine that exists. That doesn't change the fact that you previously said you were a group within marmite rather than just being marmites, yet now yo turned that around.

Lol, Again you go way off on a tangent, trying to attack me rather than argue the point.
Stop talking **** or prove that what you are saying is real. It's that simple mate. If you can't prove it, it's because you are a lying sack of ****. Honestly, I don't care if you want to, but every time you start harping on about how good rebirth were and how good you must be because you are ex-rebirth, I'll call you out on it every single time. Some little brat bleating on about how epic he is, yet being able to show nothing to prove it is ALWAYS going to be funny.

They seem to have been washed down several pages since NightmareX can't learn to shut the **** up about Rebirth.

LOL
So any corp that no longer exists was disbanded because of you? That how it works?

I didn't say you said you disbanded ALL of them, did I? Try learning to read.
But you do claim to have steamrolled every PvP corp and alliance? So did you steamroll marmite?

No, you can show me the facebook page if you want, but what does that prove? Nothing. It's a facebook page.
Look, it's one of 2 ways either:
a) Rebirth no longer exists, and you are just marmite members
or
b) Rebirth does still exist as a unit within marmite, thus your unit is made of "elite PvPers".

Which is it?

LOL, that's not how it works, artard. I'm not the one making ridiculous claims. Your utter refusal to prove it, and your continues sidestepping the issues is just further proof that you are lying. You're just going to ask me some ridiculous question that I can't possibly prove, and if I can prove it, you'll claim the proof is lies too. You're basically acting like a schoolchild because you've been caught out in a lie.

Honestly, you're an embarrassment to Marmite and I don't know why they don;t just kick you the **** out and be done with you stiring up ****. It's not like you are a marmite anyway, you're gonna reform rebirth.

lol, you can keep telling yourself that all you like. The fact is, like most people you always were and still are totally irrelevant. Rebirth was a bunch of whiners when it was alive and it's a bunch of whiners now it's dead.

No, I'm claiming that me goign back looking through all your kills will only show me alliances and corps that no longer exist. You could go thouh though and undoubtedly alliances and corps that you forced to disband will generally stick in your mind. You can then work on proving it.

Well your killboard certainly doesn't show much steamrolling. And Marmite existed back then, did you steamroll them?

So if rebirth still exist, are you or are you not elite PvPers?

lol no, it's not. It really doesn't work that way. You can't make an outrageous claim then demand that other people prove something totally unrelated for you to prove it. You're doing that to try to change the subject because you can't prove anything. The killboard proves you were ****, so you are making up stories to make yourself sound big, but you're not. You're a little loser from a loser corp of crying whiners that disbanded. Good job kiddo.

OK, so it's impossible to prove. Kinda like it being a complete lie then.
Since you have now claimed it's impossible, here's some nice info.

So Rebirth have been at war and actually scored kills on the following alliances/corps:
Black Legion.
Brothers of Tangra
Cabal of Reputable and Awes...
Catastrophic Uprising
Defiance Enterprises
Empire Controll
Fidelas Constans
Game 0f Tears
Goonswarm Federation
High Rollers And Game Changers
Imperial Hull Tankers
Insidious Empire
Limitless Inc.
Mentally Assured Destruction
Northern Associates.
Nulli Secunda
Pandemic Legion
Reaper's Grin
Rebel Alliance of New Eden
Relentless Terrorism
Renegade Alliance
Resurrection Ninjas.
Righteous Immortal Pew
Shockwave Sovereign Industries
SOLAR FLEET
Test Friends Please Ignore
The Ditanian Alliance
The Marmite Collective
The Obsidian Front
The-Convocation
Tribal Band
Under the Wings of Fury
Yulai Federation
TAXU

Of those, the following are now disbanded:
Defiance Enterprises (War: July 2013, Closed: January 2014, Kills: 1)
Tribal Band (War: July 2013, Closed: February 2014, Kills: 1)
Shockwave Sovereign Industries (War: January 2013, Closed: June 2013, Kills: 15)
Reaper's Grin (War: January 2013, Closed: March 2014, Kills: 2)
Cabal of Reputable and Awes... (War: January 2013, Closed: July 2013, Kills: 1)
Limitless Inc. (War: January 2013, Closed: July 2014, Kills: 5)

So either you didn't cause any of them to disband, or they took a really really long time to figure out that you were too much for them.

And now I officially call bullshit.

I can see from your stats that you didn't steamroll pretty much anyone. Certainly none of the merc corps.

You seem to be pretty bad, and since it's clear you were lying about Rebirth before, it's not a surprise you're lying here.

I don't need your evidence any more. I've proven categorically you're a lying sack of **** above.

Oh, and PS, this still makes no sense. Me proving that I haven't been killed by you has nothing to do with you proving your exaggerated claims of greatness. Check my killboard if you think I have though.

So conveniently it was only really old corps you disbanded right? Before the CREST stats go back to.

So was it while you were in one of the incarnations of god squad? So your alliance did it? Or was it just you guys as Rebirth? I can pull stats from pretty much any time period, they'll just show as 0 kills, but we can pretty easily see how long it is between the wars and any closures. Just let me know when you think it was and I'll pull the stats. Guaranteed that at most we'll see a couple of industry corps disbanding to avoid your wardecs.

Since you seem to suddenly be remembering when it was this was occurring, maybe you'll be able to pull up a name ore two then of the corps? I see you trying to now backtrack away from alliances as you realise how much of a joke that one is.

MMMmm didn't know NightmareX was in Marmite . Funny , seeing as darknesss now seems to be in red federation.

At least funny if you have known both in the old days flying under the DOOM. banner and if i recall right both where highly involved in the start of TRI mark1 . But might just be me getting eve-old and getting sentiments in that regard .

OK, so 2012. This is from Feb 2012 all the way up to the end of the god squad in October 2012.

Wars with at least one kill:
0G Enterprises
Ascendance.
+ a bunch of other alliances.

Corps/alliances now disbanded:
Game of Tears (War: August 2012, Closed: January 2013, Kills: 3)
+ some other alliances.

So out of all of those, either again, they took AGES to realise you were epic, or there's only 1 single corp that would possibly have disbanded, which was:
ISK Empire Int (War: March 2012, Closed: April 2012, Kills: 2)
I think it's unlikely that they shut the doors because of 2 kills though.

Let me guess. It all happened in January, right?

I see, so now it was before 2012! You just keep on changing that story bro!

You sir are officially defeated.

We can do that now Nightmare has been dunked.

Mate, maybe you need to learn. That is ALL the wars, corps or alliances. I'm not filtering down to one or the other, that is everyone you scored a kill against in wars in to bulk of 2012, and none you disbanded.

Come on guy, just give up this bullshit story. Nobody believes your rubbish and I've just discounted nearly the whole of 2012. Look, you made up a story to make you look elite, you got called on it and you lost. Die gracefully.

It's filtered to show only ones where you scored at least one kill, since nobody relevant is disbanding their corp over a 0 kill wardec. Turns out you did a lot of wardecs with zero kills. Also don't forget that some of those corps you wardecced multiple times and they were deduped.

Since the data comes directly from CCP, I'm pretty sure it's accurate.

lol, give it up mate. I've proven it's not opinion. I've broken down your killboard data and proven that your story is made up. Even your corp mates don't want to hear it.

NightmareX no one cares.
1. Does rebirth exist now? No.
2. Do we care? No.
3. Not sure how your still in marmite and not defending marmite but defending a corp that doesn't exist.
4. GET BACK ON TOPIC!!!

I didn't say people don't have zero kill wars. Some people hide from wars. I'm just saying that's why you are missing wars, because those wars never generated kills so I disregarded them.

And OK. zKB Link. This data is pulled from CCPs newer API system called CREST so it's accurate data, though kill numbers prior to 2012 I believe do not pull through on CREST, hence my decision to start the data pull in 2012.

How do you not understand that these are not opinions or guesses? These are facts pulled directly from CCPs war data. You understand that war data is publicly available in a consumable API format yes? And that I'm a software developer, so consuming and processing that data is a trivial task, yes?

Well not sure about the list being little, but agreed, those wars were irrelevant, which is why they weren't listed.

Yes... You know that first list of data I gave you? That was ALL of the rebirth wars. So those that you just linked I already debunked earlier. Here's the thread again in case you missed it.

lol, yes, according to you, it's opinions and guesses. In the actual real world, it's still facts, pulled straight from CCP.

Kai86 also bragged about manipulating the killboard so many lossmails for wars were not shown under the war headings (case-in-point: When av ra lost his Vindicator to a Marmite trap last year, Kai manually removed it from the war category and was called out on it).

Only way to prove anything is to fight. Talking big on a forum about dunking us (POH) without proof of doing so makes you look like NightmareX defending non-relevent rebirth in a non-rebirth thread. Aka stupid.

Saeger wins this one.

Tell me how a corp not involved in the current war from 2010 to 2012 is relevant August 2014?

Can't wait for post to say as "ex-marmite"

Your still off topic.

And not answering my question.

No one cares about your banter fight with kell about rebirth. Just cause you fall into his trap everytime on every thread. Your so defensive I applaud kell for his tear extraction.

But as a merc pilot posting about your old corp/alliance instead of defending your current on a thread bashing your current makes you seem like an absolute idiot.

Do us all a favor post on topic or don't post at all.

Yup cause it seems more like he crushed you. I recall you could of created your own thread but being stupid you continued for 5 pages. How's those battleships?
Can't wait for rvb to pod you.
Your welcome brought you back to topic.

Jesus, delusional much? Doesn't matter how good you are, what if your kid starts screaming at the wrong time (admitedly that happens to me a lot) or your power goes out or a packet loss gives you a lag spike at the last moment?

Anyone who thinks getting podded in high is impossible is delusional. Its not likely, and it's usually avoidable, but **** happens man.

I don't think I've ever been podded in high, but I'm not arrogant enough to think it can't happen.

There's a point to be made with my original post

Trolololol.

That is truly getting dunked.

You get a +1 from me.

Anybody fraps?