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Lanfear's Bane
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Posted - 2006.07.13 08:46:00 -
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 Originally by: Avon
Edited by: Avon on 11/07/2006 15:47:24
I think this sucks, but is everyone missing the irony here?
Someone who's actions mess up one persons virtual experience is moaning about someone else messing up his virtual messageboard?
It isn't like this has slipped out of a game in to real-life .. it has just passed from one virtual domain to another.
Is it wrong?
Yes.
Do I condone it?
No.
It is still ironic though. 
That's a pretty stupid opinion isn't it? As for the little bit at the end about not condoning, that's like saying no offence after you have deliberatly just said something offensive to someone. You are saying that because someone got popped in lowsec ingame, an area you are warned is dangerous and in which tillers actions are perfectly legal within the realms of the game that tiller should expect people to retaliate with an real life electronic and definately illegal attack? Catch a grip. In the event that someone came round and popped a few real rounds through your chest because you killed them in some FPS online I am sure you wouldn't appreciate people standing around telling you that you really should have expected it. I mean hey it's irony apparently.
I guess time spent mining must be proportional to forum stupidity after all. The 'Check here to preview your post' box is there for a reason, it gives your brain a chance to catch up on the rubbish your fingers are typing.
Lanfear's Bane.
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Res Tance
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Posted - 2006.07.13 09:10:00 -
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Edited by: Res Tance on 13/07/2006 09:10:46
Originally by: Lanfear's Bane
Originally by: Avon
Edited by: Avon on 11/07/2006 15:47:24
...stuff...
It is still ironic though.
That's a pretty stupid opinion isn't it? As for the little bit at the end about not condoning, that's like saying no offence after you have deliberatly just said something offensive to someone. You are saying that because someone got popped in lowsec ingame, an area you are warned is dangerous and in which tillers actions are perfectly legal within the realms of the game that tiller should expect people to retaliate with an real life electronic and definately illegal attack? Catch a grip. In the event that someone came round and popped a few real rounds through your chest because you killed them in some FPS online I am sure you wouldn't appreciate people standing around telling you that you really should have expected it. I mean hey it's irony apparently.
I guess time spent mining must be proportional to forum stupidity after all. The 'Check here to preview your post' box is there for a reason, it gives your brain a chance to catch up on the rubbish your fingers are typing.
Lanfear's Bane.
Whether or not it's a stupid opinion....it's still ironic.
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Alliaanna Dalaii
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Posted - 2006.07.13 09:18:00 -
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No its not messed up at all frankly. Tiller doesn't ruin anyones gaming experiance. Unless theyre the sort that we dont want in the game anyway. Being attacked, Ganked, pod'd without mercy ?
Dunno about you but these are the parts of the game I enjoy  And it would be pretty dull without them.
Alliaanna
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cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN
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Posted - 2006.07.13 09:42:00 -
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make his Ip public and let other forces at hand deal with him. :-)
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Niemm
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Posted - 2006.07.13 13:21:00 -
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Griefers have been griefed ? Funny isn't it ? 
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.07.13 13:48:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 13/07/2006 13:50:46
doubelpostbahforumssucktoday
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.07.13 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: Niemm
Griefers have been griefed ? Funny isn't it ?
Since when is tiller a "griefer"? Since you, an alt, said so?
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2006.07.13 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN
make his Ip public and let other forces at hand deal with him. :-)
Like it would matter anyways. Don't stoop to his/her level.
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Niemm
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Posted - 2006.07.13 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Since when is tiller a "griefer"? Since you, an alt, said so?
Everybody is the alt of somebody else ... It's not because you don't post much that you are an alt ... and i prefer by far being an alt than being a griefer (or a "pirate" as they call themselves").
But maybe all PK are not griefer ... maybe, i'm still trying to find one ... once upon a time, there was a PK who was not a griefer, but its secrets have been lost for ages.
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Lanfear's Bane
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Posted - 2006.07.13 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: Niemm
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Since when is tiller a "griefer"? Since you, an alt, said so?
Everybody is the alt of somebody else ... It's not because you don't post much that you are an alt ... and i prefer by far being an alt than being a griefer (or a "pirate" as they call themselves").
But maybe all PK are not griefer ... maybe, i'm still trying to find one ... once upon a time, there was a PK who was not a griefer, but its secrets have been lost for ages.
Talk to the alt cos the main ain't posting? Chicken.
PvP does not equal griefing, however I understand you are unable to grasp this concept and, while I do have some pity for you, you should refain from posting in topics you are unable to comprehend, lest my pity wane.
Lanfear's Bane.
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Now that's irony |
Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.07.13 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: Niemm
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Since when is tiller a "griefer"? Since you, an alt, said so?
Everybody is the alt of somebody else
I don't have alts . At least none that I currently use.
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Niemm
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Posted - 2006.07.13 14:34:00 -
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Just don't change my words, i'm talking about pirating, not about PVPing. I respect true PVPers, those who won't gang just to kill an industrial flying empty, but form a fleet to defend there territory. But pirates are by definition griefers, because even if they use game mechanics, there is no honor in attacking weaker people just to take advantage of the victim work.
And in case you don't remember what a griefer is, just a reminder (but i think you won't need it) :
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/children/griefers.mspx
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.07.13 14:37:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 13/07/2006 14:37:54
Originally by: Niemm
Just don't change my words, i'm talking about pirating, not about PVPing. I respect true PVPers, those who won't gang just to kill an industrial flying empty, but form a fleet to defend there territory. But pirates are by definition griefers, because even if they use game mechanics, there is no honor in attacking weaker people just to take advantage of the victim work.
A griefer is someone who does something for the primary purpose of causing someone grief.
A pirate is someone who attempts to make a living from PvP. This usually involves attacking ships who have low chances of winning, because if the pirate loses his ship, he loses a lot of money. Industrial ships are clear targets, because they have more loot than normal victims.
How are the terms remotely related?
Just because someone is causing you grief doesn't mean that they are a griefer. If that was so, you'd be a griefer, because you're griefing me by posting mindless drivel on the forums I read.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.07.13 14:37:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 13/07/2006 14:37:00
omg... forums suck... why the hell does it keep doubleposting
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Niemm
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Posted - 2006.07.13 14:42:00 -
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You don't have to read my answers if you don't like it, but it's far more difficult to avoid the "pirates"
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Mrmuttley
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Posted - 2006.07.13 14:44:00 -
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Niemm
Can we assume from your words that you approve of someone defacing an out of game website because of what happened in game?
B n K and freinds dont always play nice but then EVE isn't supposed to be a "nice" game. Blowing up haulers and barges is all part of the game and its not greif play.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.07.13 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Niemm
You don't have to read my answers if you don't like it, but it's far more difficult to avoid the "pirates"
What do you mean? You can avoid the pirates really easily by avoiding low sec altogether, or just using instas and scouting with the scanner and map.
On the other hand, its hard to tell that a post will be drivel until I've read it 
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cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN
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Posted - 2006.07.13 17:23:00 -
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What this ignorant alt forgets to see is not everything is black and white.
Alliances: Take over regions that at one point didnt belong to them and kill for the right to mine rare ore.
Pirates: Kill for mods to resell
And piracy only happens because people like you ignore the warning that specifically says dont enter .4 to .0 if you cant handle it.
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Kilo Paskaa
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Posted - 2006.07.13 19:48:00 -
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Quote:
Typical griefer behavior includes: taunting others, especially beginners (also known as newbies); thwarting fellow teammates in the game; using inappropriate language; cheating; forming roving gangs with other griefers; blocking entryways; luring monsters toward unsuspecting players; or otherwise using the game merely to annoy a convenient target or to harass a particular player who has reacted to their ill will.
Lets see. Everything here (excluding luring part) matches with every alliance. "Gate ganking" "Big blops" "Annoying convenient target (omg come to play its only 100 vs you. NOOB)".
TBH pirates are primary targets when it comes to griefing. Getting gangbanged in duel, being blopped by their "clients" and smacked half to death by ignorant players.
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Ineeh
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Posted - 2006.07.13 20:57:00 -
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Edited by: Ineeh on 13/07/2006 21:01:20
Oh poor pirates ... nodody loves them, i wonder why, no really
Maybe someone can explain me how BnK make their living in podkilling players travelling in empty shuttle without event trying to ransom .... but maybe it's only me who don't understand them, they are so kind.
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GirlScout Brigade
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Posted - 2006.07.14 06:43:00 -
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Edited by: GirlScout Brigade on 14/07/2006 06:44:00
Originally by: Ineeh
Edited by: Ineeh on 13/07/2006 21:01:20
Oh poor pirates ... nodody loves them, i wonder why, no really
Maybe someone can explain me how BnK make their living in podkilling players travelling in empty shuttle without event trying to ransom .... but maybe it's only me who don't understand them, they are so kind.
OK lets explain this simply.
pirates blow stuff up because they enjoy it. Be it gate camping belt hunting or whatever.
Pirate make money in a variety of ways. Some of them have industrial alts. Some of them kill NPCs. Sometimes they hit the jackpot and kill someone who was carrying a lot of expensive stuff or had officer mods fitted.
Just because they have low sec status does not mean they cannot mine.
Very rarely do they kill empty shuttles at gates because that means a 15 minute agro timer to wait out where a more profitable/fun target may go through the gate.
Pirates do not generally care about what their victims think of them.
*****ing someones server (original reason for the thread remember) because they killed you in GAME is lame beyond belief.
Any other questions?
/edit: OMG the profanity filter does not like the leetspeak version of hacking
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Niemm
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Posted - 2006.07.14 06:51:00 -
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Originally by: Mrmuttley
Niemm
Can we assume from your words that you approve of someone defacing an out of game website because of what happened in game?
I just find it funny, or like someone said before "ironic"
That's all i said 
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Cheyenne Shadowborn
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Posted - 2006.07.14 08:00:00 -
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Originally by: tiller
I've deleted the forums, hope your happy.
Huh?
Apart from using moderation,
- grep webserver logs
- nslookup/dig/www.nic.com
- mail [email protected]
- if under your control, block in firewall (the nice or one of the very nasty ways)
- retaliate (uh no, wait, strike that, thats mostly not legal ...)
Can't believe the pirates that gank me daily and mostly call me a carebear close their stuff because of some not-even-script-kiddie wannabe interweb terrorfreak 
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Ackaroth
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Posted - 2006.07.14 08:37:00 -
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Lol last post was funny. I have to say that even though I am a decent law abiding citizen of EVE, every now and then I feel the need to break a few rules and pick on some people who shouldnt be in 0.4-0.0
Its a game. Thats the end of it. People take it too seriously, and thats when it stops being fun. WoW is better for people who dont wanna cry over a game. Good luck :)
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Ryoko Hunter
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Posted - 2006.07.14 08:55:00 -
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Originally by: Niemm
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Since when is tiller a "griefer"? Since you, an alt, said so?
Everybody is the alt of somebody else ...
What?? Quote:
It's not because you don't post much that you are an alt ... and i prefer by far being an alt than being a griefer (or a "pirate" as they call themselves").
But maybe all PK are not griefer ... maybe, i'm still trying to find one ... once upon a time, there was a PK who was not a griefer, but its secrets have been lost for ages.
Evidently you have no idea what the difference between a pirate and a griefer is. Many people have explained this time and time again - a griefer is someone who makes it their proffession to make other players unhappy. A good example is someone who loads up a vessel with smart bombs, heads for a local newby-starter area and sets them off. There is no potential profit here, and there is no feasable gain from this, save for other people's grief.
A Pirate, on the other hand, is someone who devotes their time to making a living through crime. A Pirate is an Eve criminal, a raider or bandit who prays upon those that they are able (weaker, of equal strength, and rarely even those that may be stronger) and does what they do in order to make a living as I said.
I myself am a Pirate, but I am not a griefer and I do not take pleasure in making other's sad. I am a pirate because I enjoy having intellegent foes and I enjoy the challenge of it. I can't say "most" because I don't know that many pirates, but I do know that more often than not, a Pirate is a Pirate because it's challenging and involves fighting an enemy that can adapt, change, and even do the unexpected. Many, myself included, will actually sit down after a battle - won or lost - and discuss what went wrong and how that wrongness might later be corrected. I've met a few friends by either being their victims or their destructors, and this is the case with many more.
Learn the difference between greifer and pirate and do not make the fatal mistake of grouping Pirates with griefers. So long as you do that, you will never, ever understand Eve.
As to the OP, I'm sorry about the childish tactics launched against you and it's unfortunate that it happened. Hopefully, he will get what's comming to him, but I think the best thing for you to do would be to reopen the site. He wanted to cause you problems and probably, as most scumbags often do, to leave a mark. You closing your site is such a mark. Show this idiot that he cannot force you to do anything, but just note that if you do remake the site, he'll probably try it again. Still, show him who's boss and ignore his efforts. Erase what he does and move on; if you stay strong he'll get discouraged and leave. Scum always do. |
Ryoko Hunter
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Posted - 2006.07.14 08:56:00 -
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Edited by: Ryoko Hunter on 14/07/2006 09:01:47
Damn internet... |
Ryoko Hunter
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Posted - 2006.07.14 09:00:00 -
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Edited by: Ryoko Hunter on 14/07/2006 09:02:01
Damn internet... |
Niemm
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Posted - 2006.07.14 09:11:00 -
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Originally by: Ryoko Hunter
a griefer is someone who makes it their proffession to make other players unhappy
Ok, let's summarize ... how many people are happy when they have been ransomed or podkilled by "pirates" ? and how many "pirates" are there on this board that are delighted when they hear smacktalk or other sweetness from their victims ?
Think about it ... I have nothing else to say
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Karina Harington
Port Royal Independent Kontractors
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.07.14 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: Niemm
Originally by: Ryoko Hunter
a griefer is someone who makes it their proffession to make other players unhappy
Ok, let's summarize ... how many people are happy when they have been ransomed or podkilled by "pirates" ? and how many "pirates" are there on this board that are delighted when they hear smacktalk or other sweetness from their victims ?
Ye Gods, are you really having that much trouble with the game mechanics? This is a PvP game where piracy is a profession explicitly supported by the developers. Pirates are well within the game mechanics when they gank your hauler at a gate because you were too lazy to scout. It's not griefing any more than killing an enemy in counter-strike is. Get over it.
Using in-game actions as an excuse/justification/sympathy vote for defacing an out of game forum should be a bannable offense. Still, the defacer's actions are illegal (it wouldn't surprise me if it was covered in some overly-broad terrorism act too) and I'd love to see him face charges for his actions.
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Guvnor RBM
Welsh Commanders
Chorus of Dawn
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Posted - 2006.07.14 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: Niemm
Think about it ... I have nothing else to say
Thank god for that for you sir are a muppet, and can not open your eyes to what EvE is about, RISK
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