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ScoRpS
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.07.17 11:07:00 -
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I think that thoth has a good point but the alliance tourney is kinda elitist and not open to every one. This recognition test is. And further more its not the definitive list of rankings its just public opinions about corps that regulary seek out pvp in what ever guise it presents its self in.
Its a shame this thread has derailed so much already, it would be good if the mods cleared up all the off topic stuff in here and let it continue in time hounered tradition.
Or someone start a new one and transfer the good responses in here to there via qoutes or something.
I am definatley up for these corp recognition tests as the poor mans road to fame.
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2Shae
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Posted - 2006.07.17 11:23:00 -
[62]
 Originally by: Tadis
Outbreak. 110 odd active PvP'ers. For a corporation that aint bad :)
110 is an even number 
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Ath Amon
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Posted - 2006.07.17 11:32:00 -
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Edited by: Ath Amon on 17/07/2006 11:32:48
Originally by: Cohkka
Originally by: thoth foc
mhm.. there is a PVP tournament on atm, any corps that wanted to prove themselves in fair PVP fights would have entered, after all 1 billion isnt a hugh amount of isk for most ppl..
Aye cause this contest clearly shows your abilitys in 'real' PvP. 
yes it isn't "real" PvP, but is still an "uncommon" PvP enviroment, something that people is not used to do
for this reason i think is still indicative, you have to think a new strategy, to adapt to the situation, to do a good teamwork, to control the opponent...
all things that make a player a good PvPer... so yes maybe is not real PvP but it permit to show all the "virtues" necessary for PvP.
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ScoRpS
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.07.17 11:36:00 -
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1) Rage and Terror
2) Amoured Assasins
3) Celtic Anarchy
4) Sni.ggerdly
5) Tundragon
6) Nubs
7) Kia
8) Goon Fleet
9) Beyond Divinity
10) Mining Bytes
I think 10 is too many but there u go in no particular order.
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CardboardSword42
Celtic Anarchy
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Posted - 2006.07.17 14:01:00 -
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Edited by: CardboardSword42 on 17/07/2006 14:02:33
It's too hard to put these corporations in order, especially since there is no universal benchmark. Instead I will put them in alphabetical order.
1)Burn Eden - get a lot of flack for using stabs, but their K/D ratio is impressive against blobs to say the least and they are very knowledgeable PvPers. I Honestly think they fit stabs for pure tactical reasons and not fear.
2)Celestial Apocalypse - perhaps one of the only groups I can think of that are good at being the good guys
3)Goonswarm - these guys get in on attitude alone
4)Omniscient Order - used to die occassionaly and talk in local to some of the old Cult of Cthulhu, and the Order is pretty much the new Cult
5) Outbreak - lots of good PvPers, and they royally raped ASCN along with RAT
6)Rage and Terror - Evil Thus pretty much wins, and their Vids are fantastic.
7)S.A.S
8)X13
I'm sure there are more that I'm forgetting
I'm Ex-Biomass, that makes me cool
But now I'm KOS and it's all about the manlove
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Kurenin
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.17 16:06:00 -
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This thread is all about perceptions and views, and as such I shall now give mine.
10. Euphoria Released, despite their questionable tactics.
9. Steelvipers, from past engagements and whathaveyou.
8. The Collective, they're good now that Masta Killa has left.
7. Slackers, they are nice people with the exception of Righteous Fury who is a lovable bastard.
6. DICE, Tholarim is a nice person and fisho is fun to be around.
5. D.N.A, I don't like any of them because I argued with them on IRC but they're still undeniably good.
4. BNC, Kryztal is a nice person.
3. The Corporation, EElak and Genne \o/
2. FRICK, I have had little contact with them but the few people I have had contact with have been on the whole good.
1. RKK, they've come on leaps and bounds since I was flying with them 3 years ago in cruise missile blackbirds of doom - the majority of people are nice too and they are good at industrial stuff.
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Cohkka
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Posted - 2006.07.17 16:25:00 -
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Originally by: Ath Amon
yes it isn't "real" PvP, but is still an "uncommon" PvP enviroment, something that people is not used to do
for this reason i think is still indicative, you have to think a new strategy, to adapt to the situation, to do a good teamwork, to control the opponent...
all things that make a player a good PvPer... so yes maybe is not real PvP but it permit to show all the "virtues" necessary for PvP.
Well, I agree that this needs good planing and a lot of thought due to the new enviroment. But I'd hardly call that PvP skill, since only one person is in controll of the battle everything comes down to good planing and leadership, the others just have to follow orders (appart from the light ships that somewhat get a bit of individual freedom, but they die fast anyway...).
Second point is that not anyone can participate in this turney. For most of these alliances it comes down to isk. A single corp can hardly pay for the implants + ships and replace them after they lost some. People have a RL (well I hope they have) and can't be online for every round, a big problem for small-medium sized corps.
Third point being that this is a PvP corp recognition test, alliances are left out of this. So your point is void.
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Dianabolic
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.17 16:26:00 -
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I'm gonna ban myself from putting any of the BoB corps in here, for obvious reasons:
1 - Body Count Inc. When you can learn tactics from watching a video you know you're doing something right. A solid top draw PvP corp.
2 - Celestial Apocalypse. tbh these guys would be tied #1 with BDCI if I didn't think it would explode Mr Solos' head. A very secure #2.
3 - Outbreak. Though I've not had the pleasure of hitting OTB in their current form, I have had the pleasure of Messrs Debrault and Ripcock in the past, their record is exemplary. A well deserved third place.
4 - RAT. I had a pre-opinion of these guys before we did our birthday op, despite the "jumping in before DT" tactic the fact they came back in against us whilst we outnumbered them catapults them straight to #4.
5 - Shinra. Long term gamers, Chow and the gang are people you don't just warp in on expecting to win, they make you work for the win and make you pay for your mistakes. Eventually I'll get to fight them a bit more and move them up my table, a well fought #5.
6 - Burn Eden. Love to be hated, and hate to be loved. Doesn't stop them being "lame" of course, but Shin has been keeping it real alot longer than most. A very stabbed up #6.
7 - Finite Horizon. They should probably be up a little bit on this table of pwnage but I don't know or hear or see enough of them to make that call. They certainly have the SP to claim to be pvp orientated.
8 - Cataclysm Enterprises. The minmatar are quite obviously of German descent and the tempest is obviously based on the Bismark. Fearsome red squares on the my overview.
As for the rest, I'd be making stuff up, so I'll leave it at eight.
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Cohkka
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Posted - 2006.07.17 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: thoth foc
"real" pvp is down to personal perception, some ppl considered trading real pvp, others 2 ships with heavy EW killing 3 without.. most actual PVP fights are ganks, which proves very little..
hence i said fair pvp fights, not "OMG REAL" pvp..
You got a point, I just don't think that planning a fight comes down to personal perception. The best decisions are made before, not during the fight.
Read my post above.
Don't speak english, just F5, F5, F5... |
Ath Amon
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Posted - 2006.07.17 16:51:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Ath Amon
Edited by: Ath Amon on 17/07/2006 11:32:48
Originally by: Cohkka
Originally by: thoth foc
mhm.. there is a PVP tournament on atm, any corps that wanted to prove themselves in fair PVP fights would have entered, after all 1 billion isnt a hugh amount of isk for most ppl..
Aye cause this contest clearly shows your abilitys in 'real' PvP.
yes it isn't "real" PvP, but is still an "uncommon" PvP enviroment, something that people is not used to do
for this reason i think is still indicative, you have to think a new strategy, to adapt to the situation, to do a good teamwork, to control the opponent...
all things that make a player a good PvPer... so yes maybe is not real PvP but it permit to show all the "virtues" necessary for PvP.
for corps that can't partecipate due to rules/implants costs i totally agree (and i will like to see a tournament more "corp oriented")
but for the fact that is only about planned strategy i don't agree... you more or less you have to plann a strategy/fitting before the battle, but we also saw some teams change it during combat and getting out of a bad situation.
also yes mostly is just 1 guy that give orders, but other players have to stay cool and be able to do immediatly what is requested and to manage the situation as well as the group leader.
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Calenth
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.17 16:57:00 -
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I think everyone in Goonfleet/Goonswarm is surprised and honored that we're making people's lists. It's very encouraging to see that kind of recognition, and thank you.
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Cirra
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Posted - 2006.07.17 16:58:00 -
[72]
1 to 10) Ginger Magician
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Soul Redemption
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.17 17:48:00 -
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im sorry but this is pure rubbish pound for pound and ship for ship SAS is the number 1 pvp corp in EVE
and nm 2
and 3
probably 4
very likely 5 as well
and well 6 7 8 and 9 are defintly for us
10 no one cares anymore
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scabbsssjr
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.17 19:03:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Clementina
1. Pator tech school = noobs
2. State war academy = nubs
3. Republic University = n00bs
4. Imperial Academy = newbies
5. School of applied knowledge = n00bz
6. Science and Trade Institute = neubs
7. Republic Military School = nubz
8. Hedion University = alts
9. Theology Council = religious nuts
10.University of Caille = Quite Possibily the best velator pilots in Eve
The FNA has the best velator pilots in Eve, I mean come on they have tech 2 velators.
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Masta Killa
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.07.17 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: Kurenin
8. The Collective, they're good now that Masta Killa has left.
Is that so?
There should be a noob filter on the forums so posts from bitter noobs won't show up.
Yes I'm talking about you.
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Emno
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.17 19:54:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Masta Killa
There should be a noob filter on the forums so posts from bitter noobs won't show up.
yeah, we would never see your posts 
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Tbone
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2006.07.17 21:14:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic
7 - Finite Horizon. They should probably be up a little bit on this table of pwnage but I don't know or hear or see enough of them to make that call. They certainly have the SP to claim to be pvp orientated.
yeah diana, madcap beats us when we ***** the forums, so people dont see us much. plus we keep to our own business alot. im gonna get beat for posting tonite.
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Finite Horizon
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Dianabolic
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.17 21:19:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Tbone
Originally by: Dianabolic
7 - Finite Horizon. They should probably be up a little bit on this table of pwnage but I don't know or hear or see enough of them to make that call. They certainly have the SP to claim to be pvp orientated.
yeah diana, madcap beats us when we ***** the forums, so people dont see us much. plus we keep to our own business alot. im gonna get beat for posting tonite.
Surely that's a reason to post at least once a day
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Tbone
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2006.07.17 23:12:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Tbone
Originally by: Dianabolic
7 - Finite Horizon. They should probably be up a little bit on this table of pwnage but I don't know or hear or see enough of them to make that call. They certainly have the SP to claim to be pvp orientated.
yeah diana, madcap beats us when we ***** the forums, so people dont see us much. plus we keep to our own business alot. im gonna get beat for posting tonite.
Surely that's a reason to post at least once a day
depends which golf club he uses. pitching wedges hurt like hell. woods arent that bad, as long as its a graphite shaft.
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Finite Horizon
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Azmodaus
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.18 00:09:00 -
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I personally think 10 is a bit much so I'll just make a smaller list of 5 of who I think deserves recognition.
In no particular order....
1) Mom & Pop Ammo Shop - fighting these guys in Prov was such a blast, they fought every time and never blobbed or used lame tactics, very skilled bunch of guys. Much respect guys.
2) BoB corps - I really don't like these guys (mostly due to them being an alliance and forum warriors) but what can I say, their reputation is well deserved. You don't have to like them in order to respect them.
3) Celestial Apocolypse - Great group of guys, very skilled, no doubt they know what they are doing.
4) RAT - argueably the most fearsome pvp corp around, these guys rock. I learned alot from these guys over the years.
5) Collective - Old school corp with a never give up attitude, flying with these guys was a pleasure.
There are many corps that deserve recognition. Many of whom have been listed in previous posts so I saw no reason to list more than 5 on my list.
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Oisin
Wreckless Abandon
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Posted - 2006.07.18 00:26:00 -
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Originally by: 2Shae
Originally by: Tadis
Outbreak. 110 odd active PvP'ers. For a corporation that aint bad :)
110 is an even number
Yeah, but some of them have odd accents :P
My top 10, such as it is...
10. Collective
9. BNC
8. Finite Horizon
7. Goonfleet, for bringing it when outgunned and outskilled.
6. Elite Storm Enterprises
5. PIE
4. DKFS
3. RAT.
2. Heikki. I can't vote for my own corp, but Heikki is a one man fleet. And he's ours ;)
1. Outbreak. Haven't had the honour of fighting them as a corp, but I've flown with most of them individually. Galacticos of pvp tbh.
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welsh wizard
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Posted - 2006.07.18 00:57:00 -
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Edited by: welsh wizard on 18/07/2006 01:02:26
Originally by: 2Shae
Originally by: Tadis
Outbreak. 110 odd active PvP'ers. For a corporation that aint bad :)
110 is an even number
Nah he means they are actually odd pvp'ers.
Weird as hell....
Originally by: Dianabolic
......2 - Celestial Apocalypse. tbh these guys would be tied #1 with BDCI if I didn't think it would explode Mr Solos' head. A very secure #2....
FFS What have you done!?! I'll be scooping up bits of brain and skull from the rec room carpet for a week!
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Oisin
Wreckless Abandon
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Posted - 2006.07.18 01:01:00 -
[83]
Originally by: 2Shae
Originally by: Tadis
Outbreak. 110 odd active PvP'ers. For a corporation that aint bad :)
110 is an even number
Yeah, but some of them have odd accents :P
My top 10, such as it is...
10. RKK
9. BNC
8. Finite Horizon
7. Goonfleet, for bringing it when outgunned and outskilled.
6. PIE
5. Elite Storm Enterprises
4. DKFS
3. RAT.
2. Heikki. I can't vote for my own corp, but Heikki is a one man fleet. And he's ours ;)
1. Outbreak. Haven't had the honour of fighting them as a corp, but I've flown with most of them individually. Galacticos of pvp tbh.
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Lexor SLice
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.18 03:34:00 -
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hmm, in no specific order
BNC: the reputation and the class are well deserved IMO, and im ofc a lil' biased.
DNA: for restarting and being cool.
BDSM: umm....dont ask
MC corps: for being professional at what they do
RAT: their tactics are underhanded and borderline exploits 100% of the time, but they do work.
FZN: i knew most the of the fzn guys from way back, lots of them are now in my current corp and in D.N.A but they are still pretty good.
pretty much all i can think of off the top of my head of corps that still exist.
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.07.18 09:26:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Avernus
Originally by: Shin Ra
Originally by: Dirtball
1. Cosmic Fusion (for having the best non blob win/loss, kill/death, kills per total amount of pilots during war or 0.0 merc work ratio)
Stop right there.
Best non blob win/loss ratio belongs to BE. I can count the number of fights we lost on one hand.
Well that depends... how far back in your corp history do you want to go? My own corp fought two wars against Burn Eden when Solapathy was the CEO, and Rasta Rocketman was the best damn frigate pilot I had ever seen. Best get out your other hand.
Yeah fair point actually. When I refer to BE, I refer to the current form the corp is in. Currently, no members from those days are in BE. Since the current era of BE got together, what I said applies.
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.07.18 09:38:00 -
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Originally by: thoth foc
mhm.. there is a PVP tournament on atm, any corps that wanted to prove themselves in fair PVP fights would have entered, after all 1 billion isnt a hugh amount of isk for most ppl..
There is a difference between equal and fair.
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darth solo
Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2006.07.18 09:55:00 -
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Edited by: darth solo on 18/07/2006 09:55:35
ok, to entertain the kids ill have a shot.
1. RAT, used to fight a bit like celes apoc, but now due to ecm have had to take to range warfare, thats a shame, something i refuse to do....i dont blame them likes.
2. BOB corps except dice/atuk... i call it as i see it, and BOB always bring it, i like the way they rally together when the enemy comes calling... that kind of response usually only comes from small tight nit corps, so to be able to do it with an alliance is pretty impressive... OMG darth u cant say that arnt they ur enemy:).... no really, if it wasnt for BOB in eve id prob not play as much, iv always liked the challenge of taking on the big boys... wish more ppl would grow some and try it though. ATUK have never impressed me though, lots of smack, like OMG smack, no i mean OMGGGGGG smack.. dont seem to b as bad now, but never forgive.
kinda ironic that we were once friends with BNC and RKK.
3. Outbreak (TOXIN) the up and coming top PVP corp in eve, our US timezone guys have joined them as we are pretty much a euro corp... watch this space. iv decided to let them squat in my kingdom of fountain:).
4. SAS, i like the style they play, some old time PVPers there.. merc work is mince though, Zincol, wOOt.
5. Exotic dancers, like fighting, and not many pirates like fighting anymore. refreshing.
d solo.
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Tiwaz
Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2006.07.18 09:58:00 -
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omg u sux Darthy
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Kaleeb
Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2006.07.18 11:11:00 -
[89]
Originally by: darth solo
iv decided to let them squat in my kingdom of fountain:).
His majesty has turned into an npcing carebear 
Long live king welsh in his ferox
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Kcel Chim
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.18 11:36:00 -
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Edited by: Kcel Chim on 18/07/2006 11:39:16
my list will be abit unconventional and isnt in any specific order:
#1 MC corps, for bringing the mercenary profession back to life and adding a new depth to empire warfare far beyond harassing altcorps.
#2 The Establishment, for bringing the first mothership into battle, a great achievement for a single corp specializing on mercenary pvp.
#3 BoB corps, for dominating the pvp sector and keeping the evil side alive for so many players.
#4 Tundragon (and maybe some other pirate corps), for keeping piracy alive despite ccps multiple attempts to dry it out in any way or form.
#5 Big Blue, for their insane work and still keeping an eye on playersupport.
#6 Steelvipers, german coordination combined with minmatar alpha strikes ftw.
#7 Cosmic Fusion, loved the vids from drunkenone and they are generally nice chaps knowing how to pvp in small groups.
If you wonder where BE, RAT or Celes are, i avoided to name any corps who stab it up, play borderline exploiting or generally just run their mouth to much (darthy thats for you), while their quality might actually qualify them to fill a 10slot list.
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