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dalman
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Posted - 2003.10.02 21:28:00 -
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1.Tempest
Don't fear any else for a 1vs1. If they are 2 or more you can add:
2. Apocalypse
3. Megathron
4. Scorp
5. Raven
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.10.02 21:39:00 -
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Tempest? How do you figure?
Valheru
Sovereigns
Which ship you fear depends very much on which ship you're in yourself. And what modules/skillpoints you have...
I'm not gonna give away my setup
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.10.02 22:43:00 -
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lol Stav, didn't you say the Raven was a piece of Caldari crap after you lost your Raven?
Well all lvl 2 battleships are good. As long as you "know yourself and your enemy". Someone who don't can have his ass handed to him by a "useless armageddon".
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.10.02 23:36:00 -
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Edited by: dalman on 02/10/2003 23:41:00
Some things I don't agree about.
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Raven has insane shields and launchers, even if its jammed down, u just switch to cruise fof missiles and own your opponent in a 1vs1. Its just purely unbeatable.
1. A scorpion have more shields than a Raven. (though the raven probably is fitted with more shield hardeners/boosters)
2. The 4 launchers with torps on a scorpion will outdamage the 6 launchers with FoF missiles on a Raven.
So I bet a Scorpion would win that 1vs1.
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Megathron is ****e, tempest is crap, typhoon is rubbish, arma is now nothing compared to apoc.
Well, the mega is only bad because the tracking speed on large blasters still is too low.
The arma shouldn't be much compared to an Apoc. But there are still ways to use an arma pretty good.(though no reason to use it if you can afford to loose an apoc).
The Tempest should be feared because it doesn't use cap for it's weapons(and gives a great bonus to large projectiles). And with 5 med/6 lo it offers much versatility. Pretty much the same reasons as a Raven...
*edit* And yea, I know how missiles blow up each other in larger fights. It's enough with 2 missile users to start blowing up each others missiles before they reach the target.
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.10.03 00:01:00 -
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1. A scorpion have more shields than a Raven. (though the raven probably is fitted with more shield hardeners/boosters)
Unless you spent the month training BS 5 a raven with 5 power diags beats a scorp with 4 last I looked.
Battleship lvl 4 is enough for that. But I doubt anyone whould use only powerdiags in the low slots...
And I do believe that a Tempest pilot with enough skill points and good equipment can win that 1vs1 against a Raven.
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.10.03 00:22:00 -
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Edited by: dalman on 03/10/2003 00:32:30
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My raven has 7000+ shields.
The point is btw, for the clinically DUMB, that a raven has 6 meds all filled with shield boosters and hardeners. And lows all filled with power diags. It takes no cap to fire its fof missiles.
Scorpion has to have 4 multi f jammers (it could go caldari specfic maybe and use only 3) but still that means it only has 4 or 5 med slots left, meaning less shield boosters, hardeners etc.
I am also taking into account a warp disruptor here, so thats another slot gone.
Raven wins 1vs1 no probs.
I am god.
Though I'm not going to test it against you on the live server, you won't convince me that a raven would win.
Expected setups:
Raven running 6 launchers with FoF, running 4 hardeners and 1 shield booster. Can't run the 2 other hi slots since it's jammed and can't run it's scrambler for the same reason.
Scorpion running 4 launchers with torpedos and 2 projectile guns. Also running 3 ECM's, 1 scrambler, 3 hardeners and 1 shield booster.
While the Scorpion can't use as much cap for shield boosting(because of lesser cap recharge rate and using cap for it's EW), the Scorpion will do more than enough more damage to make up for that.
If the scorpion is using 4 multis, it would maybe turn out with the Raven winning.
The situation is kinda the same between a Raven and a Tempest. Very hard to tell how the extra damage the Tempest can deal will work out against the one extra med slots on the Raven.
*edit* Well, maybe you use 2 shield boosters. As you understand, I'm not using a Raven. But I'd be very happy if I could be convinced it's the best ship, since I really like it...
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.10.03 00:28:00 -
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power diags are quite simply, the best low slot modules in the game.
Who needs to put anything else in their ravens low bits?
Some possible suggestions: ECCMs, cap relays, 1600mm armors.
Though I'm very aware of how effective it is to only use power diags on a Raven.
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.10.03 00:37:00 -
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Seeing as we are using custom 1vs1 setups, ill put 2 large smartbombs in my top slots.
I win....
And blow up your own missiles? And increase your cap usage very much and leave less cap for defence?
Btw, wanna buy my large Vehemence 1 smartbomb? 300 EM damage every 10 seconds(minus skill).
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.10.03 00:54:00 -
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Since you wont fight and prove your point you lose.
Anyway Ive fought a scorp like you said.We didnt goto the death but I still was winning before we stopped.
And the scorp was using 4 power diags? May be a bit surprising if he doesn't. A scorp could be fitting some armor upgrades, giving you 10.000 armor to knock out too... It would require 71 explosive FoF cruise missiles to take out that, and it would take you 2 minutes to fire them. And the fact that he would alway boost up his shield a little now and then, resulting in many of your missiles facing some 60% shield resistance. So even after the Scorpions shield is gone, it would take maybe 3 minutes for you to get through his armor.
Yea... the fight isn't realistic and due to the "log out and save your ship" it wouldn't end with the destruction of a ship.
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.10.03 01:01:00 -
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Bah...hate theorizing. Too easy to fly in circles.
True. Just realize that there are no perfect ship or setup that will win every 1vs1. The Raven certainly is a good ship for 1vs1. But with a really good setup for 1vs1, you'll be dead when the opponents friends suddenly show up
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.10.03 12:32:00 -
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Overall, though, I fear a griffin and a kestrel more than a BS.
Then you're doing something very wrong.
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.10.03 16:13:00 -
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Just curious how a raven with all torpedoes handles a dominix or a megathron that sits at 1 km with neutron blasters and shield hardeners. Since the splash damage from the torpedos will hit themselves too :)
unless the mega has 3 webbifiers running it won't hit a thing at that range
And besides, all the missiles exploding will make it impossible to stay at that range
And also, the Mega/domi could say hello to the 2 energy neutralizers many Raven pilots has on... Blasters use too much cap. The mega would run out of cap before the Raven is dead. Sad but true.
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