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Luc Boye Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.15 15:37:00 - [121] Hmz so for once blasterthron is working as intended and everybody cries for nerf?
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.15 15:45:00 - [122] Originally by: Trefnis Edited by: Trefnis on 15/07/2006 14:33:13 Originally by: Kaeten Originally by: Ath Amon tempest running constantly a MWD, 2 large rep, and easilly killing all the mega drones? (not to say that tempest have a small drone bay so is more likelly that mega drones will kill tempest one and then play with the tempest) ok let's ipotize that i have an Eidolon.... t's all to do wit the setup AGAIN As stated you sacrafice dmg for tank and we all know a tank requires more cap than gnak. If u fit gank however u dont need much gank as I've stated before, try a gank setup on the tempest... Can you shutup now with this gank > tank crap ??? Go get a tempest, fit 6x800mm t2, mwd+web+scrambler+injector, 3 gyrost2 and now fith any kind of tank with 1 med or 3 lows that will let you outlast gank mega in similiar fitting. I really dont think that this mega was fitted anty pest with like 2x explo hardener. and gank fit on tempy will die to any caldari or ammar bs You can shield tank it. --------- Boost caldari. It will reduce whining on forums due to the fact: 45% chars are mostly caldari specialized.
Grimpak Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.15 16:37:00 - [123] Originally by: Luc Boye Hmz so for once blasterthron is working as intended and everybody cries for nerf? such wonderfull world is EVE ------- Originally by: Abdalion Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant? Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
madaluap Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.15 17:38:00 - [124] This entire topic doesnt make any sense, why dont you whine @ the raven which owns you aswell....or the geddon _________________________________________________
Ath Amon	Posted - 2006.07.15 17:43:00 - [125] Originally by: madaluap This entire topic doesnt make any sense, why dont you whine @ the raven which owns you aswell....or the geddon because is a comparsion between hybrids and autocannons? yup from the "whine @ raven" perspective it doesn't make any sense but i think from the "Short range turret balance" perspective it does.
madaluap Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.15 17:52:00 - [126] Originally by: Ath Amon Originally by: madaluap This entire topic doesnt make any sense, why dont you whine @ the raven which owns you aswell....or the geddon because is a comparsion between hybrids and autocannons? yup from the "whine @ raven" perspective it doesn't make any sense but i think from the "Short range turret balance" perspective it does. Problem is there is a lot of stuff going on about, staying out of blasterthron range and such, while a tempest really can slay a blasterthron quite easily...Yes you need to change your setup a bit, BUT i dont whine when i go vs a raven in my blasterthron and get wtf owned. Finally my weaponsystems work, finnaly i dont need a co-proc and than you get this **** _________________________________________________
Luc Boye Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.15 18:10:00 - [127] Edited by: Luc Boye on 15/07/2006 18:10:35 so Wrayeth, you are not happy when blasterthron can mwd away and warp out if hes losing, but I assume you think thats perfectly ok when vagabond does exactly the same? oh and btw, officer webbers are not THAT expensive.
Lorth Synchro.	Posted - 2006.07.15 18:30:00 - [128] Really, the uber secret to killing a thron in a tempest is range. To do so you must nearly glue your eye to you monitor, but its possible. Just takes skill, and a lot of practice. And everyone seems for forget the multi spec. Given about a 25% chance to jamm, you decress your opponents DPS by 25%. Meaning that in most situations, the tempest has a better DPS. Or we could also say that when flying a ship were range is so important, web drones > combat drones. And loss anything that effects your speed. Tech 2 ammo, plates what ever. If you can't controll the range in a tempest you die. And your giving up your speed advantage (and its a big advantage in this case) PS getting even a guristas disruptor is a bigg plus for a tempest, and its cheap. ------------- Recruit me
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.15 18:33:00 - [129] Blasterthrons are possibly what I fear the least when I fly my AC pest... I'm not going to say more then last time I fought one I was not even into armor (no shield tank) when he died, this might have changed with t2 ammo tho still, it doesent change much, it would have just meant that I would have to use my tank (gasp) currently hibernating
Lorth Synchro.	Posted - 2006.07.15 18:53:00 - [130] I still don't feel the blasterthron is a worthwhile ship to fly. I've had BS 5, and spec 4 for a good year or so, and I won't touch one. Its not that it doesn't work. And it actually a fun ship to fly. But its out classed by more or less everything. At least everything that I can fly. Sure it can kill NPC'rs, and people with poor fittings, or who arn't expericand enough. But when it comes down to fighting someone who is as good as I am, same skills, fitting costs, I don't want to be dissadvantaged by my ship. ------------- Recruit me
Luc Boye Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.15 18:59:00 - [131] The only thing blasterthron is good for is warping in the middle of FFA on Sisi, and ganking some poor soul before you pop yourself =)
HolographicEntrypoint Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.15 19:01:00 - [132] Edited by: HolographicEntrypoint on 15/07/2006 19:02:09 The problem is, that autocannons kinda dont have a place. If you stay at AC Range,but out of Blaster-Range, BThron just warps off, because it is outside web range and soon out of disruptor range. So give Tempest 10% Bonus to Webber/Warp Disruptor Range :P --- ^ Making Custom Sigs for ISK My custom EvE Signature Gallery
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.15 19:04:00 - [133] Originally by: HolographicEntrypoint Edited by: HolographicEntrypoint on 15/07/2006 19:02:09 The problem is, that autocannons kinda dont have a place. If you stay at AC Range,but out of Blaster-Range, BThron just warps off, because it is outside web range and soon out of disruptor range. So give Tempest 10% Bonus to Webber/Warp Disruptor Range :P 28km disruptor 4tw The "problem" is that the minmatar tactic of staying out of blaster range works fine until you get to the battleship level, where this can involve going out of scramble range. TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust - Suvetar, care to confirm these rumours about you being an unstoppable sex machine? LOL -Suvetar
Vera Nosfyu Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.15 20:37:00 - [134] Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: HolographicEntrypoint Edited by: HolographicEntrypoint on 15/07/2006 19:02:09 The problem is, that autocannons kinda dont have a place. If you stay at AC Range,but out of Blaster-Range, BThron just warps off, because it is outside web range and soon out of disruptor range. So give Tempest 10% Bonus to Webber/Warp Disruptor Range :P 28km disruptor 4tw The "problem" is that the minmatar tactic of staying out of blaster range works fine until you get to the battleship level, where this can involve going out of scramble range. This simply goes to show what the devs have always said that battlehsips are not suppsoed to be solo pwnmobiles. Have the tempest shoot from 30-40km or whatever and let someone else tackle for you. ----------------------------------------------------------- "Violence solves all problems, no man, no problem." --Josef Stalin
Ath Amon	Posted - 2006.07.15 20:50:00 - [135] Edited by: Ath Amon on 15/07/2006 20:54:07 Edited by: Ath Amon on 15/07/2006 20:51:40 Originally by: Vera Nosfyu This simply goes to show what the devs have always said that battlehsips are not suppsoed to be solo pwnmobiles. Have the tempest shoot from 30-40km or whatever and let someone else tackle for you. the problem is that at such distance the AC lose its effectiveness, even at 30km with a moving target a 1400mm tempest (with emps) is more effective than ACs (with barrage) and will also have a nice alpha so where is the point of ACs if they outdps close range hybrid turrets a distance where they are no more effective and outclassed by long range turrets?
Naughty Boy	Posted - 2006.07.15 20:53:00 - [136] Edited by: Naughty Boy on 15/07/2006 20:54:35 Originally by: Vera Nosfyu This simply goes to show what the devs have always said that battlehsips are not suppsoed to be solo pwnmobiles. Have the tempest shoot from 30-40km or whatever and let someone else tackle for you. Not that this is in any way related to what this thread is about (and even if it is, AC tempest does unsignificant damage at that range), why would the blasterthron be allowed to do what the tempest isn't allowed to do ? Edit: ah, i'm 3rd, but at least sarmaul isn't first NB.
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.15 20:53:00 - [137] Originally by: Vera Nosfyu Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: HolographicEntrypoint Edited by: HolographicEntrypoint on 15/07/2006 19:02:09 The problem is, that autocannons kinda dont have a place. If you stay at AC Range,but out of Blaster-Range, BThron just warps off, because it is outside web range and soon out of disruptor range. So give Tempest 10% Bonus to Webber/Warp Disruptor Range :P 28km disruptor 4tw The "problem" is that the minmatar tactic of staying out of blaster range works fine until you get to the battleship level, where this can involve going out of scramble range. This simply goes to show what the devs have always said that battlehsips are not suppsoed to be solo pwnmobiles. Have the tempest shoot from 30-40km or whatever and let someone else tackle for you. So with your reasoning, the Megathron can be but the Tempest can't? TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust - Suvetar, care to confirm these rumours about you being an unstoppable sex machine? LOL -Suvetar
Luc Boye Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.15 20:54:00 - [138] So what are you saying, not only can you outtank megathron, but tempest should also ALWAYS out-dps megathron inside web range? Why fly megathron then? Why not the other way around?
HolographicEntrypoint Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.15 20:54:00 - [139] Originally by: Vera Nosfyu Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: HolographicEntrypoint Edited by: HolographicEntrypoint on 15/07/2006 19:02:09 The problem is, that autocannons kinda dont have a place. If you stay at AC Range,but out of Blaster-Range, BThron just warps off, because it is outside web range and soon out of disruptor range. So give Tempest 10% Bonus to Webber/Warp Disruptor Range :P 28km disruptor 4tw The "problem" is that the minmatar tactic of staying out of blaster range works fine until you get to the battleship level, where this can involve going out of scramble range. This simply goes to show what the devs have always said that battlehsips are not suppsoed to be solo pwnmobiles. Have the tempest shoot from 30-40km or whatever and let someone else tackle for you. How is that other one supposed to survive, if a BS cant? You need 2 BS to beat one now? --- ^ Making Custom Sigs for ISK My custom EvE Signature Gallery
HolographicEntrypoint Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.15 20:56:00 - [140] Point was, that the Tempest has no way of fighting in its optimal range. --- ^ Making Custom Sigs for ISK My custom EvE Signature Gallery
Trefnis Euphoria Released Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.07.15 20:57:00 - [141] Originally by: LUKEC You can shield tank it. no you cant if you want to go solo, you need mwd (if not for range then for ability to get back to gate after jump), you need injector to keep any kind of shield tank running, you need a disruptor, and you need a web as 3 web drones are not enough for anything below bs size, that leaves you nothing for shield tank and armor tank + gank is pointless with 6 lows (in gangs thou shield tank pest with 2 neuts and gyros is uber )
Ath Amon	Posted - 2006.07.15 21:00:00 - [142] Edited by: Ath Amon on 15/07/2006 21:01:41 with nulls ther's not tempest optimal range, the mega is going to outdps an AC tempest even at 20km. so in this case is not that mega = close range and tempest = mid range but mega = close and mid range
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.15 21:03:00 - [143] Originally by: HolographicEntrypoint Point was, that the Tempest has no way of fighting in its optimal range. The tempest shouldn't be fighting in its optimal range anyway. TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust - Suvetar, care to confirm these rumours about you being an unstoppable sex machine? LOL -Suvetar
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.15 21:27:00 - [144] Originally by: Sarmaul The tempest shouldn't be fighting in its optimal range anyway. I looked at some of naughtyboys diagrams and it seems that even if you manage to stay at 15-20 km, the megathron will still do the same amount of damage to you as you do to him. I was actually expecting the autocannons to have the edge at that range... --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Sarmaul 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.15 21:28:00 - [145] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Sarmaul The tempest shouldn't be fighting in its optimal range anyway. I looked at some of naughtyboys diagrams and it seems that even if you manage to stay at 15-20 km, the megathron will still do the same amount of damage to you as you do to him. I was actually expecting the autocannons to have the edge at that range... Welcome to the wonderful world of T2 ammo :/ TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust - Suvetar, care to confirm these rumours about you being an unstoppable sex machine? LOL -Suvetar
Lorth Synchro.	Posted - 2006.07.15 22:52:00 - [146] Originally by: Trefnis Originally by: LUKEC You can shield tank it. no you cant if you want to go solo, you need mwd (if not for range then for ability to get back to gate after jump), you need injector to keep any kind of shield tank running, you need a disruptor, and you need a web as 3 web drones are not enough for anything below bs size, that leaves you nothing for shield tank and armor tank + gank is pointless with 6 lows (in gangs thou shield tank pest with 2 neuts and gyros is uber ) You can, to a degree. It basically means you need to land 20km away from someone, and be able to keep them there. If you can do that, its the WTFPWN'age. If you have a tackler(AKA a warp in point), I don't think anything is beating that set up. ------------- Recruit me
WereWatchingEverything	Posted - 2006.07.15 23:51:00 - [147] I say again, Tracking disruptor.
Cohkka	Posted - 2006.07.15 23:59:00 - [148] Wrayeth is a Raven pilot, this probably explains alot... btw: Wasn't it you who whined about missilenerf and then said he's gonna fly Tempest now since it's WAY better? Don't speak english, just F5, F5, F5...
Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2006.07.16 00:01:00 - [149] Edited by: Kaeten on 16/07/2006 00:02:19 Originally by: Lorth I still don't feel the blasterthron is a worthwhile ship to fly. I've had BS 5, and spec 4 for a good year or so, and I won't touch one. Its not that it doesn't work. And it actually a fun ship to fly. But its out classed by more or less everything. At least everything that I can fly. Sure it can kill NPC'rs, and people with poor fittings, or who arn't expericand enough. But when it comes down to fighting someone who is as good as I am, same skills, fitting costs, I don't want to be dissadvantaged by my ship. sad but true High-Sec Piracy Recruitment
Luc Boye Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.16 00:03:00 - [150] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Sarmaul The tempest shouldn't be fighting in its optimal range anyway. I looked at some of naughtyboys diagrams and it seems that even if you manage to stay at 15-20 km, the megathron will still do the same amount of damage to you as you do to him. I was actually expecting the autocannons to have the edge at that range... Ah I see, so we're talking about a megathron with t2 neuts and null ammo. It has same dps as tempest. Do you have any clue how much tank can you fit on a t2 neutron megathron? And how much on that same tempest?

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