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Dragy	Posted - 2006.07.14 15:29:00 - [1] Since eve-search site has problems i couldn't find any specific information about HACs. Therefore i created this topick to ask you about those ships. The thing is simple. I was thinking about getting some t2 ship that is larger than frigate and that i could solo in it. And now i have doubt which to choose. Consider that training time and cash isnt an issue. I cant decide between Gallente & Minmatar race. The worst thing is that i dont wish to fly ship, which is ugly (vagabond) and thats why i made this topick. It's obvious that after skilling for hac i would skill for a command ship. Here i have first question. Which command ship is better in Tanking DPS Overall in both --------------------------------------------------------- That was the first thing. The second is about hacs. I mailed few days ago my friend, who is speced in gallente race and when i asked him about his deimos's setup he said that he lost already 2 ... Is it so fragile ? On minmatar race i would consider flying only munnin. I hope that you can help me
Corn Meal	Posted - 2006.07.14 15:32:00 - [2] tanking Vulture Dps Astarte
Double TaP The Establishment	Posted - 2006.07.14 15:43:00 - [3] You still have many more skills left to fly a command ships. HAC's are better at soloing in anyways.
Corn Meal	Posted - 2006.07.14 16:26:00 - [4] command ships are much better at soloing
Dragy	Posted - 2006.07.14 16:30:00 - [5] There is a tough choice to be made. Have more firepower and tank or be faster and less fragile. What are you thoughts about Deimos and Ishtar ?
Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2006.07.14 16:33:00 - [6] Originally by: Corn Meal command ships are much better at soloing qft, bs in bc size with hac resists ftw High-Sec Piracy Recruitment
Double TaP The Establishment	Posted - 2006.07.14 16:34:00 - [7] Well if you have drone skills ishtar is awesome. Best anti-hac hac imo. You get inside its webbing range, and youre done. The deimos is also a great blastership. have a corp mate that uses it primarily, great ship. And I'l have to disagree with you corn meal. Sure astarte does more damage and a better tank, its a great ship, but I'd say the deimos or the ishtar are better for soloing.
Aramendel	Posted - 2006.07.14 17:06:00 - [8] Originally by: Kaeten Originally by: Corn Meal command ships are much better at soloing qft, bs in bc size with hac resists ftw And also BS agility and speed. The field commands are very nice, but if speed and mobilitiy are an issue a HAC will be better.
wierchas noobhunter Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.14 17:14:00 - [9] Originally by: Aramendel Originally by: Kaeten Originally by: Corn Meal command ships are much better at soloing qft, bs in bc size with hac resists ftw And also BS agility and speed. The field commands are very nice, but if speed and mobilitiy are an issue a HAC will be better. tbh i see only 1 hac that is better for solo pvp and it is vaga, tbh command ships all way better then hac's and even cost les .... join col ! now
Dragy	Posted - 2006.07.14 17:41:00 - [10] Ok ... i'll ask in other way. Is deimos/ishtar able to shot down bc class and every other ship that is down in the ladder ?

wierchas noobhunter Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.14 17:45:00 - [11] Originally by: Dragy Ok ... i'll ask in other way. Is deimos/ishtar able to shot down bc class and every other ship that is down in the ladder ? its more depends on pilots and setups but deimos will loss to any descent fited bc ishtar diferent story .. join col ! now
Double TaP The Establishment	Posted - 2006.07.14 18:00:00 - [12] Originally by: Dragy Ok ... i'll ask in other way. Is deimos/ishtar able to shot down bc class and every other ship that is down in the ladder ? not usually solo, but if you have a partner you can really dish it out. can take everything down the ladder though, except for the t2 command ships.
korrey	Posted - 2006.07.14 18:02:00 - [13] I must be alone but /Me finds the Zealot a good solo ship. Good DPS and fairly speedy as cruisers go. Plus its can have insane resistances with 1 or 2 EANM II's. So just slap some Heavy Pulse Laser II's on there a Medium NOS, Web, Scram, 10mn ABII, med Repper II some Heatsink II's and finally some EANM II's and Bam! Good solo.
Sky Hunter Rage and Terror	Posted - 2006.07.14 19:44:00 - [14] T2 BC doesnt stand a chance against high skill and exprience close-range BS setup. Will be brought to complete lock-down and then shot no matter how hard his tank is. T2 BC solo - asking to get ganked. Having less agility, being alot easier to chase and kill, having slower lock and not being able to catch small stuff that HAC can. as for HACs in particular..they arent fragile at all, just you need to get used to them. Ofc youll loose a few before youll start getting good. -=-
Aramendel	Posted - 2006.07.14 20:35:00 - [15] Originally by: wierchas noobhunter tbh i see only 1 hac that is better for solo pvp and it is vaga, tbh command ships all way better then hac's and even cost les .... Yes, command ships have a better tank and dps than hacs. In a pure 1v1 the CS would win. But, again: their agility and speed sucks. If you need that (for example if you are operating in unfriendly territory and have to stay mobile) a CS is a sitting duck. In those situations you might as well take a BS - if you fill it's (compared to CS) surplus slots with nanos it's faster and more agile, has about the ame ztank and dps and is fully insureable.
wierchas noobhunter Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.14 21:05:00 - [16] Originally by: Aramendel Originally by: wierchas noobhunter tbh i see only 1 hac that is better for solo pvp and it is vaga, tbh command ships all way better then hac's and even cost les .... Yes, command ships have a better tank and dps than hacs. In a pure 1v1 the CS would win. But, again: their agility and speed sucks. If you need that (for example if you are operating in unfriendly territory and have to stay mobile) a CS is a sitting duck. In those situations you might as well take a BS - if you fill it's (compared to CS) surplus slots with nanos it's faster and more agile, has about the ame ztank and dps and is fully insureable. problem is that single hac is not realy capable to kill anythink, tbh u can kill ppl who rat, who mine but u so gona loos even to pvp fited bc ( well good fited) tbh operating deep in enemy space inty is so better then hac join col ! now
Dragy	Posted - 2006.07.14 21:23:00 - [17] So would a deimos be better for solo than astarte ?
Benglada Mom 'n' Pop Ammo Shoppe Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.07.14 21:27:00 - [18] dragy get a goddamn vaga, its actually not ugly when you get used to it. --------------------------- Originally by: Wrangler Unfrtinately you dnot get to vote..
Sky Hunter Rage and Terror	Posted - 2006.07.14 21:42:00 - [19] Edited by: Sky Hunter on 14/07/2006 21:42:10 Originally by: wierchas noobhunter Originally by: Aramendel Originally by: wierchas noobhunter tbh i see only 1 hac that is better for solo pvp and it is vaga, tbh command ships all way better then hac's and even cost les .... Yes, command ships have a better tank and dps than hacs. In a pure 1v1 the CS would win. But, again: their agility and speed sucks. If you need that (for example if you are operating in unfriendly territory and have to stay mobile) a CS is a sitting duck. In those situations you might as well take a BS - if you fill it's (compared to CS) surplus slots with nanos it's faster and more agile, has about the ame ztank and dps and is fully insureable. problem is that single hac is not realy capable to kill anythink, tbh u can kill ppl who rat, who mine but u so gona loos even to pvp fited bc ( well good fited) tbh operating deep in enemy space inty is so better then hac with a good combat expirience and if you know what yr doing you can take on almost any setup. im not saying you get to kill those nosf/drone setups, but everything else....you got a chance. just all depends on your personall skill(the real one as well as your SP) and your fitting. edit: typos. -=-
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.14 21:44:00 - [20] Dont know if you watched the Eve TV this evening, but that showed that command ships really know how to tank... --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate

Sky Hunter Rage and Terror	Posted - 2006.07.14 21:59:00 - [21] Originally by: Jim McGregor Dont know if you watched the Eve TV this evening, but that showed that command ships really know how to tank... the championship doesnt have anything to do with actual combat situation that you can encounter. just take a look at that Raven that 5 guys were pounding for like 15 mins straight. more of that championship got some rules about modules that can be used, isnt it? -=-
SengH Black Omega Security E.R.A	Posted - 2006.07.14 22:05:00 - [22] Originally by: Sky Hunter Originally by: Jim McGregor Dont know if you watched the Eve TV this evening, but that showed that command ships really know how to tank... the championship doesnt have anything to do with actual combat situation that you can encounter. just take a look at that Raven that 5 guys were pounding for like 15 mins straight. more of that championship got some rules about modules that can be used, isnt it? Hes right.. if cloaks were allowed the command ship would have no chance in hell. You'd have curses with talisman sets comboed with corpum A type nos running around cloaked and waiting till the worst time to decloak and nail the command ship and then it'll go down like a brick. Real situations involve ewar and that makes it a whole diff ballgame altogether.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.14 22:32:00 - [23] Originally by: SengH Originally by: Sky Hunter Originally by: Jim McGregor Dont know if you watched the Eve TV this evening, but that showed that command ships really know how to tank... the championship doesnt have anything to do with actual combat situation that you can encounter. just take a look at that Raven that 5 guys were pounding for like 15 mins straight. more of that championship got some rules about modules that can be used, isnt it? Hes right.. if cloaks were allowed the command ship would have no chance in hell. You'd have curses with talisman sets comboed with corpum A type nos running around cloaked and waiting till the worst time to decloak and nail the command ship and then it'll go down like a brick. Real situations involve ewar and that makes it a whole diff ballgame altogether. Yep, i think the rules were that they could use t2 modules, but not t2 guns/ammo. And no EW. So yeah, it doesnt show a real fleet combat situation at all. It was team vs team of similar ships... --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
wierchas noobhunter Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.14 23:15:00 - [24] Originally by: Sky Hunter Edited by: Sky Hunter on 14/07/2006 21:42:10 Originally by: wierchas noobhunter Originally by: Aramendel Originally by: wierchas noobhunter tbh i see only 1 hac that is better for solo pvp and it is vaga, tbh command ships all way better then hac's and even cost les .... Yes, command ships have a better tank and dps than hacs. In a pure 1v1 the CS would win. But, again: their agility and speed sucks. If you need that (for example if you are operating in unfriendly territory and have to stay mobile) a CS is a sitting duck. In those situations you might as well take a BS - if you fill it's (compared to CS) surplus slots with nanos it's faster and more agile, has about the ame ztank and dps and is fully insureable. problem is that single hac is not realy capable to kill anythink, tbh u can kill ppl who rat, who mine but u so gona loos even to pvp fited bc ( well good fited) tbh operating deep in enemy space inty is so better then hac with a good combat expirience and if you know what yr doing you can take on almost any setup. im not saying you get to kill those nosf/drone setups, but everything else....you got a chance. just all depends on your personall skill(the real one as well as your SP) and your fitting. edit: typos. well i agree with u but if u take hac deep into enemy teritory and that hac wil be not vaga tbh u will die wery fast .... join col ! now
DarKDruG Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.07.14 23:19:00 - [25] imo, i wonder why you even train for a command ship if not for the use of gang modules and fleet combat. To each his own i guess... Sig Removed. The max size for a sig is 400*120 pixels and 24000 bytes. -ReverendM ([email protected])
Double TaP The Establishment	Posted - 2006.07.14 23:42:00 - [26] Originally by: DarKDruG imo, i wonder why you even train for a command ship if not for the use of gang modules and fleet combat. To each his own i guess... It's because in a gang, a field command ship (well except for the nighthawk which sucks) will kick serious ass. But for solo pvp most HACs are great. Especially the deimos and ishtar draggy. And they can take down t1 battlecruisers pretty well most of the time noobhunter. Would not engage battleships though.
Double TaP The Establishment	Posted - 2006.07.14 23:43:00 - [27] Edit: if you can, train for the force recon ships. They can fly around cloaked and warp cloaked. They also can do surprising damage while outnumbered.
wierchas noobhunter Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.14 23:52:00 - [28] Originally by: Double TaP Originally by: DarKDruG imo, i wonder why you even train for a command ship if not for the use of gang modules and fleet combat. To each his own i guess... It's because in a gang, a field command ship (well except for the nighthawk which sucks) will kick serious ass. But for solo pvp most HACs are great. Especially the deimos and ishtar draggy. And they can take down t1 battlecruisers pretty well most of the time noobhunter. Would not engage battleships though. sure any skilled bc pilot will eat deimos alive my point i that for 1x1 pvp only ship is vaga and that hacs are so overpriced, tbh comand ships cost les so if i will need to select take hac or command ship i will take coomand one and even that 1x1 pvp is so dead mostly posible i end ganked ... join col ! now
Benglada Mom 'n' Pop Ammo Shoppe Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.07.14 23:55:00 - [29] Edited by: Benglada on 14/07/2006 23:55:03 wierchas please learn to spell. For all that is holy, learn to spell! --------------------------- Originally by: Wrangler Unfrtinately you dnot get to vote..
xeom Obsidian Sins	Posted - 2006.07.15 00:02:00 - [30] If BC & CS get the sig radius and agility buff tux said he was looking at they should be fine for solo.Even with out im still training one. CCP where are our t2 shield power relays? \| Join[..SIN]

Sky Hunter Rage and Terror	Posted - 2006.07.15 00:02:00 - [31] Originally by: wierchas noobhunter Originally by: Double TaP Originally by: DarKDruG imo, i wonder why you even train for a command ship if not for the use of gang modules and fleet combat. To each his own i guess... It's because in a gang, a field command ship (well except for the nighthawk which sucks) will kick serious ass. But for solo pvp most HACs are great. Especially the deimos and ishtar draggy. And they can take down t1 battlecruisers pretty well most of the time noobhunter. Would not engage battleships though. sure any skilled bc pilot will eat deimos alive my point i that for 1x1 pvp only ship is vaga and that hacs are so overpriced, tbh comand ships cost les so if i will need to select take hac or command ship i will take coomand one and even that 1x1 pvp is so dead mostly posible i end ganked ... easier yet, a HAC is less forgiving for mistakes done in it. yeah they do cost alot, i myself would really like them go back onto 120-140mil plank where they still not easy to get, but 220mil? -=-
wierchas noobhunter Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.15 00:09:00 - [32] Originally by: Sky Hunter Originally by: wierchas noobhunter Originally by: Double TaP Originally by: DarKDruG imo, i wonder why you even train for a command ship if not for the use of gang modules and fleet combat. To each his own i guess... It's because in a gang, a field command ship (well except for the nighthawk which sucks) will kick serious ass. But for solo pvp most HACs are great. Especially the deimos and ishtar draggy. And they can take down t1 battlecruisers pretty well most of the time noobhunter. Would not engage battleships though. sure any skilled bc pilot will eat deimos alive my point i that for 1x1 pvp only ship is vaga and that hacs are so overpriced, tbh comand ships cost les so if i will need to select take hac or command ship i will take coomand one and even that 1x1 pvp is so dead mostly posible i end ganked ... easier yet, a HAC is less forgiving for mistakes done in it. yeah they do cost alot, i myself would really like them go back onto 120-140mil plank where they still not easy to get, but 220mil? problem is that most time when i loss ships or any other pilot o it its when u are baited into trap its not abaut your agility or ships speed ( well not for vaga ) tbh in deimos u will not run away from interceptor, and if u dont kill or nos him then les in 30 sec gang will jump and own your ass or u will end jumpind on gate camp ... tbh triing to solo in hac is way to expensive .. ( i am triing to spell corectly sry guys i am realy drunk ) join col ! now
Cruz eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.15 04:23:00 - [33] Originally by: Sky Hunter T2 BC doesnt stand a chance against high skill and exprience close-range BS setup. Will be brought to complete lock-down and then shot no matter how hard his tank is. T2 BC solo - asking to get ganked. Having less agility, being alot easier to chase and kill, having slower lock and not being able to catch small stuff that HAC can. Astarte does more dps then close range BSs.... And has roughly the same armor/better tank... Absolution farts 600dps while being capable of tanking 600dps on its own with just t2 gear. Dunno about the other ships. --------------------------- For the glory of the empire!
kessah Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.15 04:37:00 - [34] Originally by: Sky Hunter T2 BC doesnt stand a chance against high skill and exprience close-range BS setup. Will be brought to complete lock-down and then shot no matter how hard his tank is. T2 BC solo - asking to get ganked. Having less agility, being alot easier to chase and kill, having slower lock and not being able to catch small stuff that HAC can. as for HACs in particular..they arent fragile at all, just you need to get used to them. Ofc youll loose a few before youll start getting good. Normally i would agree, but arguably a BS will be brought down by an experienced T2 BC pilot. Those things have the same lows, meds and same highs with better resistances and 4 bonuses than a battleship. Effectivly the battleship Should die. All circumstancial tho. -------------------------------------------------------- Forever Pirate
Nemain Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.15 04:57:00 - [35] I can't really speak for comparing the gally and min HACS and command ships (I fly the HACS not the BC), but if the amarr ones are anything to go by, I find the HAC (zealot in this case) to be more survivable (due to much better speed and agility and more easily sustaiable tank) than the CS (Absolution). The low speed, bigger sig and harder to sustain tank (seems odd to me that I can tank a zealot on 1 l large peroxide battery, but need a couple of Cap relays as well on the AB) seem to out weigh the better resists and damage. If I were you i'd swallow my pride and go for the vaga, after you have flown it a while u will soon change your mind. Well thats my view anyway. I wish most domi and vaga pilots wouldn't fly them due to their looks as it would make my life easier, and save me isk on zealot replacements :)
Cruz eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.15 05:18:00 - [36] Originally by: Nemain I can't really speak for comparing the gally and min HACS and command ships (I fly the HACS not the BC), but if the amarr ones are anything to go by, I find the HAC (zealot in this case) to be more survivable (due to much better speed and agility and more easily sustaiable tank) than the CS (Absolution). The low speed, bigger sig and harder to sustain tank (seems odd to me that I can tank a zealot on 1 l large peroxide battery, but need a couple of Cap relays as well on the AB) seem to out weigh the better resists and damage. If I were you i'd swallow my pride and go for the vaga, after you have flown it a while u will soon change your mind. Well thats my view anyway. I wish most domi and vaga pilots wouldn't fly them due to their looks as it would make my life easier, and save me isk on zealot replacements :) rofl large cap battery to tank, thats classic. --------------------------- For the glory of the empire!
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.07.15 06:50:00 - [37] Originally by: kessah Normally i would agree, but arguably a BS will be brought down by an experienced T2 BC pilot. Those things have the same lows, meds and same highs with better resistances and 4 bonuses than a battleship. Effectivly the battleship Should die. All circumstancial tho. No matter how buffed it is, a medium repairer is still a medium repairer and your cap is still 1/3 to 1/2 what the battleship has. And battleships have more slots - Eos has 10 med+lows, Dominix 12, Astarte has 10 meds+lows, Megathron 11 - this is similar all the way around. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Sky Hunter Rage and Terror	Posted - 2006.07.15 11:49:00 - [38] Edited by: Sky Hunter on 15/07/2006 11:50:05 Originally by: Cruz Originally by: Sky Hunter T2 BC doesnt stand a chance against high skill and exprience close-range BS setup. Will be brought to complete lock-down and then shot no matter how hard his tank is. T2 BC solo - asking to get ganked. Having less agility, being alot easier to chase and kill, having slower lock and not being able to catch small stuff that HAC can. Astarte does more dps then close range BSs.... And has roughly the same armor/better tank... Absolution farts 600dps while being capable of tanking 600dps on its own with just t2 gear. Dunno about the other ships. note the word 'lockdown'. you cant lock, you cant move. I had engagement with Astarte in Tempest, it ran with wcs from me after he has been brought to a complete 'stand still ready to die'. I dont care about it DPS or tank....just if he havent got any reinforcements, he will go down. Its just matter of who you run into. You might run into the BS you kill in a few secs, or might run into one that will make you cry when you wont be able to use your sheer dps. and btw, Tempest does pump out 600 dps close range. p.s. even with less agility T2 BC still alot easier to catch in hostile space. edit: even fleet command ships got lower resistas then HAC class, btw. -=-
Dragy	Posted - 2006.07.15 11:50:00 - [39] So to sum up. If you want to solo and get in a hac it needs to be a vaga, otherwise you'll be ganked or defeated by well setuped bc. But if you get in a CS you can defeat almost everything BUT cause of agility and speed you'll be ganked. Oh damn
Nemain Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.15 14:44:00 - [40] Originally by: Cruz Originally by: Nemain I can't really speak for comparing the gally and min HACS and command ships (I fly the HACS not the BC), but if the amarr ones are anything to go by, I find the HAC (zealot in this case) to be more survivable (due to much better speed and agility and more easily sustaiable tank) than the CS (Absolution). The low speed, bigger sig and harder to sustain tank (seems odd to me that I can tank a zealot on 1 l large peroxide battery, but need a couple of Cap relays as well on the AB) seem to out weigh the better resists and damage. If I were you i'd swallow my pride and go for the vaga, after you have flown it a while u will soon change your mind. Well thats my view anyway. I wish most domi and vaga pilots wouldn't fly them due to their looks as it would make my life easier, and save me isk on zealot replacements :) rofl large cap battery to tank, thats classic. Oi, don't knock it, it works very well . Large peroxide batteries work very well on cruisers if you can fit it and spare a mid. It frees up the lows for all tank and damage mods. It works especially well in pve. Admitedly in pvp the mid could be used for a scrambler in the case of the zealot, but if someone eles is tackling it can be an asset. Not only does it mean you can fit a non compromised damge tank setup (no cap relays or the like) but it can be a helpfull nos buffer if u get caught off guard. It runs very well on my vanilla zealot setup - 4 focused medium pulse II, 10mn AB II, Fleeting web, Large Peroxide Battery, medium armour rep II, EANM II, Thermal ENM II, Internal Forcefield DC, 3x HS II. Guns and Rep and AB and rep run 23/7 and all 3 can last for around 5+ mins with little problem. Ok maybe not everyones ideal setup but it fit my niche

Double TaP The Establishment	Posted - 2006.07.15 14:47:00 - [41] Originally by: Dragy So to sum up. If you want to solo and get in a hac it needs to be a vaga, otherwise you'll be ganked or defeated by well setuped bc. But if you get in a CS you can defeat almost everything BUT cause of agility and speed you'll be ganked. Oh damn No. Damn it, dont listen to the nubs. A deimos and ishtar work great for solo pvp.
Sky Hunter Rage and Terror	Posted - 2006.07.15 14:55:00 - [42] Originally by: Double TaP Originally by: Dragy So to sum up. If you want to solo and get in a hac it needs to be a vaga, otherwise you'll be ganked or defeated by well setuped bc. But if you get in a CS you can defeat almost everything BUT cause of agility and speed you'll be ganked. Oh damn No. Damn it, dont listen to the nubs. A deimos and ishtar work great for solo pvp. Noone said they arent. Id love to have Ishtar alt p.s. As for others who been judging all ships by their DPS....thats just...sad...DPS is just one of stats, and not even the most important one. Never think One ship > Another ship just because of how much DPS it can give out or how much DPS it can tank. -=-
Jerick Ludhowe Arcana Imperii Ltd. Verisum Family	Posted - 2006.07.15 14:58:00 - [43] Edited by: Jerick Ludhowe on 15/07/2006 14:58:38 Originally by: Sky Hunter edit: even fleet command ships got lower resistas then HAC class, btw. Way to be completely wrong. http://www.eve-online.com/itemdatabase/ships/default.asp
Contralto Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.15 16:16:00 - [44] Edited by: Contralto on 15/07/2006 16:17:38 nm
Nemain Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.15 16:21:00 - [45] Edited by: Nemain on 15/07/2006 16:22:00 Originally by: Contralto Originally by: Benglada Edited by: Benglada on 14/07/2006 23:55:03 wierchas please learn to spell. For all that is holy, learn to spell! Not everyone in the world is a native english speaker!! Spelling should not be an issue on international forums. Yeah you tell him, english is my first and only language (does talking balls count) and even with an english A level (wahay got an A all the way back when that counted for about 85%+ not the ****y 45%+ they give them out for these days, man I feel old, I can remember eve when it was all fields) my spelling can be pretty dire Edited for spelling mistakes
Sky Hunter Rage and Terror	Posted - 2006.07.15 16:26:00 - [46] Originally by: Jerick Ludhowe Edited by: Jerick Ludhowe on 15/07/2006 14:58:38 Originally by: Sky Hunter edit: even fleet command ships got lower resistas then HAC class, btw. Way to be completely wrong. http://www.eve-online.com/itemdatabase/ships/default.asp Claymore got 5% more shield Em resist then Vagabond got..ok fine, its higher..what about field ones? -=-
Aramendel	Posted - 2006.07.15 17:16:00 - [47] Edited by: Aramendel on 15/07/2006 17:15:56 Originally by: Sky Hunter Claymore got 5% more shield Em resist then Vagabond got..ok fine, its higher..what about field ones? Firstly, Claymore and Vagabound have exactly the same resistances. Just as every HAC vs the same races fleet command ship. As shown in that link btw. Secondly, yes, field commands have lower resistances. But considering you said even fleet command ships got lower resistas then HAC class, btw. that does not matter, you are still completely wrong.
Sky Hunter Rage and Terror	Posted - 2006.07.15 20:22:00 - [48] Originally by: Aramendel Edited by: Aramendel on 15/07/2006 17:15:56 Originally by: Sky Hunter Claymore got 5% more shield Em resist then Vagabond got..ok fine, its higher..what about field ones? Firstly, Claymore and Vagabound have exactly the same resistances. Just as every HAC vs the same races fleet command ship. As shown in that link btw. Secondly, yes, field commands have lower resistances. But considering you said even fleet command ships got lower resistas then HAC class, btw. that does not matter, you are still completely wrong. yup, i said im, i messed up thinking that both BCs got same resists. now shud i go jump off my chair for being wrong? -=-
Imhotep Khem Vortex.	Posted - 2006.07.16 02:34:00 - [49] Originally by: Cruz Originally by: Sky Hunter T2 BC doesnt stand a chance against high skill and exprience close-range BS setup. Will be brought to complete lock-down and then shot no matter how hard his tank is. T2 BC solo - asking to get ganked. Having less agility, being alot easier to chase and kill, having slower lock and not being able to catch small stuff that HAC can. Astarte does more dps then close range BSs.... And has roughly the same armor/better tank... Absolution farts 600dps while being capable of tanking 600dps on its own with just t2 gear. Dunno about the other ships. Sleipnir can mount a helluva cap-light tank. Main advantage BS gets is nosfaratu, and that is not so effective vs. an injecting Sleipnir. My money is on the Sleipnir. And whats with this lockdown? BC is fat as it is, its not really avoiding any shots, its resisting them. ____ "If your not dyin' your not tryin'." "Are you prepared to go all the way, Alexi?" DuGalle
Ghoest	Posted - 2006.07.16 05:25:00 - [50] Edited by: Ghoest on 16/07/2006 05:25:47 Id like to see a close range BS take on a tanked Vulture packing blasters. Wherever you went - here you are.

lestradd Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.16 07:49:00 - [51] Edited by: lestradd on 16/07/2006 07:50:51 Originally by: Double TaP Originally by: DarKDruG imo, i wonder why you even train for a command ship if not for the use of gang modules and fleet combat. To each his own i guess... It's because in a gang, a field command ship (well except for the nighthawk which sucks) will kick serious ass. But for solo pvp most HACs are great. Especially the deimos and ishtar draggy. And they can take down t1 battlecruisers pretty well most of the time noobhunter. Would not engage battleships though. Can somebody explain what is wrong with the Nighthawk, so i don't make a mistake that would be a big waste of time.
Shoele Lialos	Posted - 2006.07.16 13:05:00 - [52] I suspect that anything an Ishtar can kill or tank, an Eos can do it better.
Jerick Ludhowe Arcana Imperii Ltd. Verisum Family	Posted - 2006.07.16 14:29:00 - [53] Originally by: Ghoest Edited by: Ghoest on 16/07/2006 05:25:47 Id like to see a close range BS take on a tanked Vulture packing blasters. I really doubt that the Vulture will be able to break a good close range BS tank even with blasters.
Ishmael Hansen	Posted - 2006.07.16 14:42:00 - [54] FIX the NH plz
Ghoest	Posted - 2006.07.16 14:44:00 - [55] But could the BS break the Vultures tank any better? PS: The NightHawk sucks because its DPS is crap. All its good for is shooting frig and destroyer classes, but its a big slow tank. Its a silly combo. Wherever you went - here you are.
Sky Hunter Rage and Terror	Posted - 2006.07.16 14:59:00 - [56] Originally by: Imhotep Khem Originally by: Cruz Originally by: Sky Hunter T2 BC doesnt stand a chance against high skill and exprience close-range BS setup. Will be brought to complete lock-down and then shot no matter how hard his tank is. T2 BC solo - asking to get ganked. Having less agility, being alot easier to chase and kill, having slower lock and not being able to catch small stuff that HAC can. Astarte does more dps then close range BSs.... And has roughly the same armor/better tank... Absolution farts 600dps while being capable of tanking 600dps on its own with just t2 gear. Dunno about the other ships. Sleipnir can mount a helluva cap-light tank. Main advantage BS gets is nosfaratu, and that is not so effective vs. an injecting Sleipnir. My money is on the Sleipnir. And whats with this lockdown? BC is fat as it is, its not really avoiding any shots, its resisting them. lock down means no lock, no moving, no cap. even with cap you wont tank forever if you cant lock your opponent. -=-
Cruz eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.16 15:50:00 - [57] Originally by: Sky Hunter Originally by: Imhotep Khem Originally by: Cruz Originally by: Sky Hunter T2 BC doesnt stand a chance against high skill and exprience close-range BS setup. Will be brought to complete lock-down and then shot no matter how hard his tank is. T2 BC solo - asking to get ganked. Having less agility, being alot easier to chase and kill, having slower lock and not being able to catch small stuff that HAC can. Astarte does more dps then close range BSs.... And has roughly the same armor/better tank... Absolution farts 600dps while being capable of tanking 600dps on its own with just t2 gear. Dunno about the other ships. Sleipnir can mount a helluva cap-light tank. Main advantage BS gets is nosfaratu, and that is not so effective vs. an injecting Sleipnir. My money is on the Sleipnir. And whats with this lockdown? BC is fat as it is, its not really avoiding any shots, its resisting them. lock down means no lock, no moving, no cap. even with cap you wont tank forever if you cant lock your opponent. Yes because every ship fits ECM And with cap yes you will tank forever in a command ship --------------------------- For the glory of the empire!
Sky Hunter Rage and Terror	Posted - 2006.07.16 18:55:00 - [58] Nothing can tank 'forever'. Like i said, given that BS pilot has good expirience, sp, fitting he will win in most cases in close-range BS with full fledged T2 pack. -=-
Ross Ice Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.17 01:31:00 - [59] Originally by: Dragy So would a deimos be better for solo than astarte ? No. Astarte has 4 mids and deimos 3, with a blaster fitting you need MWD, injector, web, scram.. that makes 4 mids, with the deimos usually you leave out the injector, which is a very important toy for blasterboats. Another point is the bonus', deimos has the useless MWD bonus (still -6% to cap, so not really a bonus) while astarte has the rep bonus, which is really a blessing. As a final note the only reason you would choose a HAC is cause of the speed and agility but the deimos is slower than the thorax and slightly more agile than the astarte. Not to forget deimos is jammed much easier.


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