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Lydia Brightlance Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.17 10:32:00 - [61] Before I make my case I need to explain a bit about who I am in Eve. Now, as is probably visible with this post, I am from Maelstrom. We have lived in Omist under LVs rule in the recent past and thus I have experienced first hand what living in Omist is like. The short of it: LV is doing an absolutely great job in Omist. LV has fought for and secured Omist, whatever anyone may have to say about this. LV controls the region and until another alliance comes in and takes it from them it is theirs to do with as they please. And this brings me to what LV has chosen to do with it. They decided to hire it to smaller corporations and alliances for a very low price and with very few rules attached. Personally I applaud this initiative. For me personally, Omist has been a huge benefit. I am only 6 months old into Eve and I had very little experience with low security living. Omist taught me how to survive and fight in 0.0. I have been a carebear from the beginning of my Eve career, but in Omist I also learned how to fight and by now I am participating, on a very regular basis, in PVP. Both in defense of my alliance and it's allies and in attack on our enemies. I have seen the same development in many pilots that are living in Omist. We all know that it is extremely hard for a relatively new or small corporation or alliance to get a piece of the 0.0 pie. Now, no one can disagree that to fully experience the splendor of Eve you need to get a taste of 0.0... and LV makes that possible for a lot of players who would otherwise be stuck in empire space. Yes, some of the alliances and corporations in Omist may still have a thing or two to learn about living in 0.0 space, but that is the beauty of it all. In Omist they learn how to act. At the moment Omist acts as a breeding/training ground for new 0.0 corporations. They live and learn in a region that is 0.0, but somewhat controlled by the protection of a bigger alliance. This allows them to grow and get ready for their own, true involvement into 0.0 space. Aside from this beneficial effect on the Eve universe, it is also a rather good tactical move by LV. They not only have a region that brings in money through taxes, but they also have a large pool of corporations they can recruit fromonce those corporations prove that they can hold their own in a 0.0 region like Omist. Even those that don't join LV are likely to remember where they were allowed to grow strong. What I say here is my personal opinion and I cannot speak for either my alliance or corporation. But I have to say: Thank you LV. I would not have had the opportunities nor the same amount of fun in this game then I would have had without Omist.
Max Teranous Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.17 10:45:00 - [62] Originally by: Su'Kar Vladen It amazes me that Murphy would post anything about a hostile force, (an enemy Fleet), moving through hostile territory. Murphy clearly has no clue how a fleet operates and moves. No hostile fleet would ever announce or forcast it's presence. Nor would the fleet let you know it's target. A fleet could travel through several Regions unopposed. In many cases, a fleet will only face token resistance before it reaches it's targeted solarsystems. Resistance from mostly passers-by caught at the wrong place at the wrong time. No fleet will wait for you to raise an opposition force large enough to threaten them. An invasion fleet would temporarily have it's targets secured and any and all gates sealed off. All POSs would be down to 25% shields, in reinforced mode and system sovereignty would be contested. All done long before defenders can react. Sure, there is more to it than that. Certainly not worth mention here. Move along, please. And if you think you can move a sizable fleet with capital ship support through LV, Chimp, -V-, ASCN or Axiom space without them seeing, reacting & WTFPWNing then you are an idiot. POS warfare is far more involved than you make it out to be. LV have fought Red Alliance at POS warfare for a long time - and they are very, very good at it. As others have said, small gangs are impossible to stop, I should know as I do it enough in other people regions and are very hard to pin down. But anything proper to come our way will be squashed like a bug. Max
The Enslaver Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.17 10:47:00 - [63] Originally by: Lustralis How long has it been 1 mill per week, per character? My last corp CEO was charging us 30m per month, per character. I was handing over 60m per month - he told us it was how much LV charged per character - when it was only costing ~ 8m? It has been 1 million isk per character per week since we started inviting corps to Omist. So yeah, your CEO would have been ripping you off. Some corps in the area do have different deals, all along the same lines in terms of the cost though - nothing like 30m/month. I think we can all agree it is hardly an extortionate amount. --------
The Enslaver Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.17 10:50:00 - [64] Originally by: Su'Kar Vladen An invasion fleet would temporarily have it's targets secured and any and all gates sealed off. All POSs would be down to 25% shields, in reinforced mode and system sovereignty would be contested. All done long before defenders can react. Sure, there is more to it than that. Certainly not worth mention here. A fleet getting the POS's down to reinforced in how long? Amusing. You do realise that the number of POS's in Omist is a three figure number, right? --------
Lustralis	Posted - 2006.07.17 11:12:00 - [65] Originally by: The Enslaver Originally by: Lustralis How long has it been 1 mill per week, per character? My last corp CEO was charging us 30m per month, per character. I was handing over 60m per month - he told us it was how much LV charged per character - when it was only costing ~ 8m? It has been 1 million isk per character per week since we started inviting corps to Omist. So yeah, your CEO would have been ripping you off. Some corps in the area do have different deals, all along the same lines in terms of the cost though - nothing like 30m/month. I think we can all agree it is hardly an extortionate amount. Well, if you are thinking of joining Pimpology or are already a member, just remember your CEO is bending you over and asking you to pick the soap up off the shower floor. Not only that, but also buying your minerals at 1/2 price, gouging the local market and taking a 5% tax on your earnings for his corp. For added fun, you aren't allowed to engage local enemies or join in to help out because that might make them dislike you and who knows, when you get booted from the region you might want to go and *****his region instead! As far as Omist is concerned, apart from a few locals who resented us being there (and who can blame them given the paragraph above?), it was pretty well run. Only a few rats there (Stybbe) and they were easily chased off. I had no complaints about anything at all. In fact of all the areas I've been in around Eve, I had the least problems in Omist and the local Godfather Tasslehoff is a top bloke to boot.
Su'Kar Vladen	Posted - 2006.07.17 11:21:00 - [66] Originally by: The Enslaver Originally by: Su'Kar Vladen An invasion fleet would temporarily have it's targets secured and any and all gates sealed off. All POSs would be down to 25% shields, in reinforced mode and system sovereignty would be contested. All done long before defenders can react. Sure, there is more to it than that. Certainly not worth mention here. A fleet getting the POS's down to reinforced in how long? Amusing. You do realise that the number of POS's in Omist is a three figure number, right? Hello The Enslaver, POSs in the hundreds? Nope. I did not know that. I bet I can count on one hand how many are online. Since I've warped to quite a few of them and none were ever online. I warp to x number of POSs, 100% of x are off-line, what are the chances that the others are also? Since you mentioned it...
The Enslaver Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.17 11:34:00 - [67] Edited by: The Enslaver on 17/07/2006 11:34:02 Originally by: Su'Kar Vladen Originally by: The Enslaver Originally by: Su'Kar Vladen An invasion fleet would temporarily have it's targets secured and any and all gates sealed off. All POSs would be down to 25% shields, in reinforced mode and system sovereignty would be contested. All done long before defenders can react. Sure, there is more to it than that. Certainly not worth mention here. A fleet getting the POS's down to reinforced in how long? Amusing. You do realise that the number of POS's in Omist is a three figure number, right? Hello The Enslaver, POSs in the hundreds? Nope. I did not know that. I bet I can count on one hand how many are online. Since I've warped to quite a few of them and none were ever online. I warp to x number of POSs, 100% of x are off-line, what are the chances that the others are also? Since you mentioned it... You must have a lot of fingers. --------
Glorificus	Posted - 2006.07.17 12:07:00 - [68] Su'Kar Vladen if a rumour I heard is true you are very good friends with Viktor Kruger. Gil Galad sez hello if it's true
Treebeard dk M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.17 12:31:00 - [69] Edited by: Treebeard dk on 17/07/2006 12:31:55 Originally by: Su'Kar Vladen Originally by: The Enslaver Originally by: Su'Kar Vladen An invasion fleet would temporarily have it's targets secured and any and all gates sealed off. All POSs would be down to 25% shields, in reinforced mode and system sovereignty would be contested. All done long before defenders can react. Sure, there is more to it than that. Certainly not worth mention here. A fleet getting the POS's down to reinforced in how long? Amusing. You do realise that the number of POS's in Omist is a three figure number, right? Hello The Enslaver, POSs in the hundreds? Nope. I did not know that. I bet I can count on one hand how many are online. Since I've warped to quite a few of them and none were ever online. I warp to x number of POSs, 100% of x are off-line, what are the chances that the others are also? Since you mentioned it... To reply to your previous answer to my post above this one, yes you are right, 24bn of the cost of the outposts in Omist were done through local investors but you forget one thing my n00b alt friend, the cost of POS's are not included, I suppose you know how much they cost right? I also suppose that you know how much it cost to keep em running and how much time it takes to buy it in empire and move it down there right? I think you ARE whining, I am certainly not, in fact I am laughing right now realising that you simply have no clue what you got yourself into when you made this thread and the more you try to "defend" yourself, the deeper you dig yourself into this and soon you are unable to get yourself out of it again and you will go away hopefully.
Treebeard dk M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.17 12:48:00 - [70] Edited by: Treebeard dk on 17/07/2006 12:51:32 Originally by: Su'Kar Vladen Originally by: The Enslaver Originally by: Su'Kar Vladen An invasion fleet would temporarily have it's targets secured and any and all gates sealed off. All POSs would be down to 25% shields, in reinforced mode and system sovereignty would be contested. All done long before defenders can react. Sure, there is more to it than that. Certainly not worth mention here. A fleet getting the POS's down to reinforced in how long? Amusing. You do realise that the number of POS's in Omist is a three figure number, right? Hello The Enslaver, POSs in the hundreds? Nope. I did not know that. I bet I can count on one hand how many are online. Since I've warped to quite a few of them and none were ever online. I warp to x number of POSs, 100% of x are off-line, what are the chances that the others are also? Since you mentioned it... Oh, forgot to mention, if you warped to "quite a few" moons and saw only offline POS's, they must but ofcourse all be offline. Cant you see that what you say just dont make sence at all? There MUST be at least one online POS, otherwise LV would not have sovr. in the system so ever considered that some of them must be online? So for an invading army that would, by miracle, make it past our defence, or any of our allies, or jumping in dreads straight into a system with a station, must first shoot all online and offline POS's, setup at least 1 Large POS themselves and wait until they come out of reinforced mode and shoot em again, wait for 5 days before they get sovr. and THEN they can shoot the station and take it. And you say that by the time you have all the online POS's in reinforced mode and have shot the offline ones, LV would not be able to react in time, correct? Oh my.
Moj Alt	Posted - 2006.07.17 14:59:00 - [71] Su'Kar Vladen vel Stybe, or what this miners hunter is called , try to hunt some non rating fitted ships or miners you great pvp'er.
Ballz McCoy	Posted - 2006.07.17 15:40:00 - [72] Actually moving a fleet into LV territory near undetected until the last minute would be extremely easy. Most of LV isn't stationed in the Tenefris area. If you jumped a few capital ships within one jump (that would most likely go undetected until the last jump or two) and then run the bulk of your fleet through the Konora -> 9-9 pipe you would get into LV space without any resistance what-so-ever. 20-30 man BoB/SE/RAT gank squads will come in unmatched for hours until they leave, do you seriously think anyone will stop a 60-80 man fleet? Then you just bubble up the 46DP gate and take 9-9 / JV1V station systems. I guess you could also take 77s8 since they just recently dropped an outpost there. They wouldn't actually be able to RESPOND to your incursion for maybe a day or two at which point if done properly you will have control of multiple LV stations making it very difficult to oust you if you defend properly.
Ediz Daxx FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.17 15:47:00 - [73] lol.. just lol
Elve Sorrow Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.17 15:50:00 - [74] Come try your luck then.
The Enslaver Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.17 15:50:00 - [75] Originally by: Ballz McCoy Actually moving a fleet into LV territory near undetected until the last minute would be extremely easy. Most of LV isn't stationed in the Tenefris area. If you jumped a few capital ships within one jump (that would most likely go undetected until the last jump or two) and then run the bulk of your fleet through the Konora -> 9-9 pipe you would get into LV space without any resistance what-so-ever. 20-30 man BoB/SE/RAT gank squads will come in unmatched for hours until they leave, do you seriously think anyone will stop a 60-80 man fleet? Then you just bubble up the 46DP gate and take 9-9 / JV1V station systems. I guess you could also take 77s8 since they just recently dropped an outpost there. They wouldn't actually be able to RESPOND to your incursion for maybe a day or two at which point if done properly you will have control of multiple LV stations making it very difficult to oust you if you defend properly. Most of LV isn't stationed there? Someone doesn't know how to use the map. Someone is also dreaming --------
DeadDuck Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.17 16:01:00 - [76] Originally by: Ballz McCoy Actually moving a fleet into LV territory near undetected until the last minute would be extremely easy. Most of LV isn't stationed in the Tenefris area. If you jumped a few capital ships within one jump (that would most likely go undetected until the last jump or two) and then run the bulk of your fleet through the Konora -> 9-9 pipe you would get into LV space without any resistance what-so-ever. 20-30 man BoB/SE/RAT gank squads will come in unmatched for hours until they leave, do you seriously think anyone will stop a 60-80 man fleet? Then you just bubble up the 46DP gate and take 9-9 / JV1V station systems. I guess you could also take 77s8 since they just recently dropped an outpost there. They wouldn't actually be able to RESPOND to your incursion for maybe a day or two at which point if done properly you will have control of multiple LV stations making it very difficult to oust you if you defend properly.
Max Teranous Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.17 16:10:00 - [77] Originally by: Ballz McCoy Actually moving a fleet into LV territory near undetected until the last minute would be extremely easy. Most of LV isn't stationed in the Tenefris area. It is true that many LV pilots base out of Curse, Detroid or Insmother stations alot of the time - but of course none of us have any jump clones in the 9-9 area, or any ships there Originally by: Ballz McCoy They wouldn't actually be able to RESPOND to your incursion for maybe a day or two at which point if done properly you will have control of multiple LV stations making it very difficult to oust you if you defend properly. Respond for a day or 2? Just LOL. You have no concept of POS warfare done properly. Don't play with fire - you may get burned. Max
Ballz McCoy	Posted - 2006.07.17 16:15:00 - [78] Some of you guys sound as ignorant as Velios. I cannot wait until someone steps up to the plate and then you will see how flawed whatever plan you think you possess is. One question people need to ask themselves is, why would LV be so concerned about even responding to this post? What do they care about some guy in an alt corp talking crap which no one seems to believe anyways? Look at some of Velios' responses.
The Enslaver Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.17 16:17:00 - [79] Originally by: Ballz McCoy Some of you guys sound as ignorant as Velios. I cannot wait until someone steps up to the plate and then you will see how flawed whatever plan you think you possess is. Errm... Damn, you've really got no idea. Quote: One question people need to ask themselves is, why would LV be so concerned about even responding to this post? What do they care about some guy in an alt corp talking crap which no one seems to believe anyways? Look at some of Velios' responses. We are forum *****s, and there has been no fleshy threads for a long time. --------
Frank Moss Shinra	Posted - 2006.07.17 16:18:00 - [80] Originally by: Su'Kar Vladen No hostile fleet would ever announce or forcast it's presence. Nor would the fleet let you know it's target. A fleet could travel through several Regions unopposed. In many cases, a fleet will only face token resistance before it reaches it's targeted solarsystems. Resistance from mostly passers-by caught at the wrong place at the wrong time. No fleet will wait for you to raise an opposition force large enough to threaten them. An invasion fleet would temporarily have it's targets secured and any and all gates sealed off. All POSs would be down to 25% shields, in reinforced mode and system sovereignty would be contested. All done long before defenders can react. Sure, there is more to it than that. Certainly not worth mention here. Move along, please. I am begging you. In all ernestness..... PLEASE come and test this theory of yours.
Max Teranous Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.17 16:19:00 - [81] Edited by: Max Teranous on 17/07/2006 16:20:48 Plan we think we have? I think "kill enemy fleet" is quite a good plan actually. BTW, i'm posting because i'm a bored forum ***** who is at work. What about you? Edit: Bah, My whoring skills were pwned by Frank and Ens! Max
Ballz McCoy	Posted - 2006.07.17 16:25:00 - [82] Best time to attack would be on a Sunday evening - as it seems most of LV is UK. If you've been through Tene on a Sunday Evening as I have been many times before, it is very much a ghost town.
CiNi Mining Specialists Inc Distant Star Alliance	Posted - 2006.07.17 16:48:00 - [83] Originally by: Buster Gonads Originally by: Su'Kar Vladen Jealous? Maybe that has something to do with it but not the whole reason. The jealousy stems from the carebears being there. They rob the systems of good NPCs and stip mine the belts. Leaving the ones that turn to engage intruders screwed. We return from a long fight only to find carebears basking in the sun...and a fat, bloated -LV- Alliance. Is that you CiNi? The tone sounds familiar from the omist residents channel when I was there. You were the main agitator against "other" corps mining, trading and ratting but not helping out chasing Stybbe around. In reality, we paid our taxes and, well, Stybbe was a PITA, not a threat to the region. Normally i would never reply to a thread like this cos it just continues to feed the specualtion, but in this case seeing someone was kind enough to make a wild guess and accuse me of something - i will. No its not me :) If u know me, as u suggest u do mr.alt, u will know that i wouldn't hide behind an alt to complain about something. I would go directly to the person resposible and speak to them on teamspeak. As i have done in the past. As i'm sure u know! And please, if ur going to make accusation, grow some gonads, buster. And post with ur main! As for me complaining about people not using common sense to protect themselves and those who carry on merrily mining,trading and ratting while other people (who by the way also pay rent) gang up and chase hostiles around - I think i have a fairly valid point.
Grabtharr	Posted - 2006.07.17 16:51:00 - [84] I actually enjoy the presence of enemies in Omist from time to time. It breaks the monontony and you dont have to go far for PVP action. Granted Stybbe and his mates are a bother in Omist but a nice challenge. My biggest gripe with their presence is that they have a monopoly on the 8/10 complex in NZPK...but were working on that. I wouldnt characterize all players in Omist as Carebears. There are a lot of young (in Eve time) players that are learning how to conduct themselves in 0.0. There are a lot of experienced players as well. Its a diverse group and the goals are not always the same or coordinates which leads to some disjointed responses to enemies...but we are working on that as well.
Su'Kar Vladen	Posted - 2006.07.17 20:53:00 - [85] ===========RESERVED FOR MY RESPONSE==================
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.07.17 21:07:00 - [86] Originally by: Ballz McCoy Actually moving a fleet into LV territory near undetected until the last minute would be extremely easy. Most of LV isn't stationed in the Tenefris area. If you jumped a few capital ships within one jump (that would most likely go undetected until the last jump or two) and then run the bulk of your fleet through the Konora -> 9-9 pipe you would get into LV space without any resistance what-so-ever. 20-30 man BoB/SE/RAT gank squads will come in unmatched for hours until they leave, do you seriously think anyone will stop a 60-80 man fleet? Then you just bubble up the 46DP gate and take 9-9 / JV1V station systems. I guess you could also take 77s8 since they just recently dropped an outpost there. They wouldn't actually be able to RESPOND to your incursion for maybe a day or two at which point if done properly you will have control of multiple LV stations making it very difficult to oust you if you defend properly. Forgive my intrusion and ignorance, but how would you take a station after 2 days if its gonna take you more than that to take sovereignty away from LV, let alone establish sovereignty yourself? Even if LV only has a single POS online in a system, they can easily put it so that it doesn't come out of reinforced for 48 hours. Then you gotta destroy it etc. etc. Or did I miss something?
Filan Fyretracker	Posted - 2006.07.17 21:31:00 - [87] seems to me that LV is just running the region as a Neutral zone, which benifits all who live in the area. for a small fee they can have a place to mine in 0.0
Arkanor Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.17 21:39:00 - [88] Originally by: Su'Kar Vladen Notice, I'm posting with an Alt, on a new account. . . Post with your main. Balance the Gun/Missile skilltrees! Originally by: kieron rabble, Rabble, RABBLE,
Happydayz FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.17 22:17:00 - [89] Originally by: Su'Kar Vladen ===========RESERVED FOR MY RESPONSE================== ========RESERVED FOR MY RESPONSE TO THIS RESPONSE==============
Mourning Starr FireStar Inc Distant Star Alliance	Posted - 2006.07.17 22:23:00 - [90] hey, gob5h1te who started this post, alt or otherwise .. I'm an Omist Resident and I don't take too kindly to your comments .. I challenge you to a 1v1

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