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Jenna Stannis
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Posted - 2003.10.03 14:48:00 -
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In the long term, are they worth the investment? How long would it take to earn the ISK back using miner II's?
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.10.03 14:51:00 -
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no
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.10.03 14:52:00 -
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do you mine in secure space all day? If so yes.
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Deadmetal
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Posted - 2003.10.03 14:52:00 -
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short answer? NO they are not worth it.. they are selling at that price only because they have the "I"ve got the BESTEST mining laser in the game appeal".. you'd have to make a lot of isk to make back the price.
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.10.03 14:52:00 -
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do you mine in secure space all day? If so yes.
You dare defy me!
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Voss Matsu
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Posted - 2003.10.03 14:53:00 -
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Depends on what price you can get, but they are well worth it I believe. Couple them with harvester drones and you have yourself a mean mining machine.
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.10.03 14:55:00 -
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do you mine in secure space all day? If so yes.
You dare defy me!
Get back on the leash honey... NOW!
But seriously, if its shooting people you like, miner IIs are only good to sell :)
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Relentless
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Posted - 2003.10.03 15:22:00 -
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Many factors, but here's the math from my own analysis, using my own circumstances
The miner2 I bought replaced a dual-diode. For my mining/astro skill, that boosted the take on that slot from 60.72 to 82.8 mining units. For Kernite, (most likely ore) thats about 19 more/min.
19 Kernite (using my refining and likely mineral distribution) is about 1650 isk. At 1650 isk/min I make back the 4.8 mil I spent in about 2900 min, or roughly 48 hours of continuous mining.
Was it worth it? For me (sad to admit) I guess I'd have to say yes, though just barely. I suppose it makes sense the market would level near this point. Though I'm still generally ****ed off about the miner2 situation.
Things to take into consideration though.
1) You may lose it. Some jolly roger with a penchant for PK may come along, or u might just get stupid about the local npcs.
2) Miner2s have high CPU requirements. Check your configuration before you buy. If you have to remove 2 other miners to fit it, you're missing the point.
3) Mining skill multiplies the gain directly. Refining skill and good mineral distribution do indirectly. Benefit reduced if your skills are low.
Hope that helps
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Jenna Stannis
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Posted - 2003.10.03 15:34:00 -
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I have Mining 5 and Astrogeology 5, a Thorax rigged with 5 miner 1's. I could fit 4 Miner II's on it at a cost of about 20 million. I do a LOT of mining mainly in secure space so was wondering if it would be worth the investment... but 48 hours to repay one miner II is a bit too much for me I guess.
To repay my total investment I'd have to mine for 10 days non-stop! 
Knowing my luck, I'd shell out the 5 Mil and CCP will release them on the open market the next day for 20K a piece! LOL. 
Thanks for the help 
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2003.10.03 15:44:00 -
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To repay my total investment I'd have to mine for 10 days non-stop!
You investment's four times the size, but your improved output is four times the size as well .. so it'll still only take about 48 hours' worth of mining to make it back. After that, you're making extra money for as long as you play the game.
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Krac
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Posted - 2003.10.03 15:52:00 -
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i think by my math/ and my skills are less then yours a minner 2 starts turning a profit (off scordite diet) in like 69ish hours i think/if you sold to npc's and paid 5 mill for laser
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tom 0
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Posted - 2003.10.03 15:53:00 -
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Edited by: tom 0 on 03/10/2003 16:00:05
Jenna, i think you've not understood the math.
if i am correct, each laser pays for ITSELF in 48 hours so buying 5 will make no difference to the time.
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Ezra
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Posted - 2003.10.03 15:55:00 -
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For a miner II to repay itself in empire space on a "mining ship" (Thorax, etc.) - You've got to be seriously hardcore.
If you're an AFKminer that racks up 5-6 hours or more of AFKmining per day (like I was for the month before I joined my current corp), it'll pay for itself quite quickly. I took the 5.5mill/laser gamble on a pair of lasers (two accounts, two indies.) and the investment has more than paid for itself by now.
If you mine in low-sec space, it's iffy. Back when you could find bistot near a station, it was about 5-6 hours of mining to pay back a laser at 5.5mill each. But now bist/crok mining is much less profitable and much more risky.
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Jenna Stannis
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Posted - 2003.10.03 15:56:00 -
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Ahhh, yes I forgot to take that into account 
Anyway, I think I'll stick to the good ol'Miner I's until the new lasers are available for a sensible price.
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Iece Quaan
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Posted - 2003.10.03 15:57:00 -
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I have Mining 5 and Astrogeology 5, a Thorax rigged with 5 miner 1's. I could fit 4 Miner II's on it..
You can fit 5, it's not too hard.
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Singular
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Posted - 2003.10.03 16:01:00 -
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What most people forget in their little calculations is the fact that you are not "consuming" the miner IIs. What I mean by that is you can mine for a week, make tons more ore, then sell them back if you so choose.
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Rohann
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Posted - 2003.10.03 16:34:00 -
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Miner II's are worth every isk
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Hamrammur
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Posted - 2003.10.03 22:26:00 -
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This should answer ur question.
Miner II = 60 ore units per min
Astrol. lvl 3
Mining lvl 4
Refininig lvl 5
Refining effic. lvl 5
(60x1,15)x1,2 = 82,8 units per minit
Now you should be able to mine 300 units of high value ore in 1 hour per minerII((82,8/16=5,175)x60) and get some good resaults from ur refining.
From 200 units of bistod you should be able to get about 2,5 mil if you sell the minerals on trade channel. Att. I am only talking about 1 miner II now, If ur using 5 you should get 1500 oer units of bistod and there fore 7 refining limits and that is 17,5 mil. Miner costs about 5 mil on market and therefore you should need about 10 refining limits of bistod ((5x5)/2,5=10) to reach 25 mil. It take you
1 hour and 20 min to reach 25 mil.
So I would say yes Miner II is wort buying.
Lets say u mine 6 days a week and 3 hours at the time. You should get ((((6x3=18)x60=1080)x5)x5) 27k of bistod at that time.
How ever with MinerI you should get ((((6x3=18)x60=1080)x3)x5) 16,2k bistod or 10,8 units less (40%). So lets say u mine 500k of scor you would have mined 700k if you had minerII
I say agin, It is worth buying MinerII.
Hamrammur
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xpero
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Posted - 2003.10.03 22:28:00 -
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well they are worth something if someone had been gunning hammers at you in your childhood.
In my personal opinion Miner IIs are just a big rip off
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.10.03 22:29:00 -
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Yes.
We all know why
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
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Angelsfist
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Posted - 2003.10.03 22:30:00 -
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I guess it depends on how much mining you do......
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Angelsfist
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Posted - 2003.10.03 22:31:00 -
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I guess it depends on how much mining you do......
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VeNT
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Posted - 2003.10.03 22:58:00 -
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theres advantages to miner 2s but having EP-S gausians for free is mutch more cost effective
i get 50.3 units of ore from each of my ep-s at mining lvl 4
thats not too shaby
the miner 2s get 72 units / min
ep - s gausians 50.3
so for an extra 22 units a min its gonna cost 5.5 mill +
i think its a bit of a rip off atm
they cost ~40k isk to make, there is a reason for this! they are worth maybe 100k max!
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var'ulfur
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Posted - 2003.10.03 23:14:00 -
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lol i found a system with a pirate base i get more ore killing pirtes than i could ever get minning. but i like to mine somtimes and pull the screen way back and just listen to the sound of the wind so peaceful.i fill my bship with 3 miner ones in 7 min or so |
Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2003.10.04 00:24:00 -
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they cost ~40k isk to make, there is a reason for this! they are worth maybe 100k max!
What something's "worth" is a subjective judgment. The intrinsic value of a miner II is the cost of the minerals + factory time to build it - reportedly about 40k.
The *extrinsic* value depends on what you can do with it - if it bumps up your mining return from 57 units a minute to 82, as it did mine, and each unit is worth about 87ISK (kernite), a Miner II is worth over 2,000ISK a *minute*, and you can use them forever - or, more realistically, if they cost 4 million ISK they pay for themselves in 33 hours or so.
And that doesn't take into account their market value, which is purely and simply the amount people are prepared to pay to get them. If ppl are happy paying 100 million for, say, a memory implant, then the market value of a memory implant is 100 million, even if you can get them from an agent at a cost of virtually nil.
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FlyinFish Shriker
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Posted - 2003.10.04 00:55:00 -
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Calculate with percentage seems to be the easist way.
a miner II simply mine 50% more than miner I, no matter it's 60/40 or 93.75/62.5.
There is another factor may or may not happen, is the price may fall -- if something CCP is planning to change affects it.
Generaly speaking, for heavy miners, they are worth it, while for light miners, they do not.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.10.04 01:02:00 -
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Are they worth it in the sense that you're feeding a few suppliers that will have the pockets to corner the market for the next big thing, no.
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Cmd Sisko
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Posted - 2003.10.04 04:39:00 -
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Well ill tell u this. if ur a dedicated miner yes they are worth it. i mine mostly the whole day with 4 of them. they pay for themselves in a few days depending on how much mining u do. i mine alot so i get the isk back in no time at all. but if ur not a dedicated miner and like lets say u mine time to time for ur corp and stuff. then no they are not worth spending that kinda isk on them.
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