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PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Mordus Angels
1998
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Posted - 2014.08.11 19:07:00 -
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Hey look, a 1.4 billion isk mobile depot. Neat-o.
I'm sure it will find plenty of use in situations where dropping a mobile depot isn't the best idea, but dropping an anemic 1.4 billion isk battleship is a solid move.
Yeah. |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Mordus Angels
2000
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Posted - 2014.08.11 19:32:00 -
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You still haven't answered the fundamental question that's been hindering the Nestor since it was proposed: Why?
I'm afraid I just don't see how adding a built-in mobile depot answers that question. It just adds another question mark to the hodge-podge of stats that is the nestor.
Gallente Battleship bonuses (per skill level):
10% bonus to Drone hitpoints and damage
Amarr Battleship bonuses (per skill level):
4% bonus to all armor resistances
Role Bonus:
50% bonus to Large Energy Turret optimal range
50% bonus to Core and Combat Scanner Probe strength
10+ bonus to Relic and Data Analyzer virus strength
50% bonus to Remote Armor Repairer amount
200% bonus to Remote Armor Repairer range
So we have a turret-repping-scanning-hacking-drone boat that really doesn't work well at all, but now it comes with a mobile depot and a shuttle!
I'll reiterate what the community has been telling you for ages:
-As a logi boat it is surpassed both in practical effectiveness and in cost effectiveness by both T2 logi cruisers AND carriers.
-As a PvE boat, it cannot compete with the marauders, pirate battleships, or even most navy battleships.
-The nestor has no means of reliably navigating dangerous space by itself. This removes it from the list of viable exploration ships.
-As a pvp boat, there's no reason not to bring a t2 logi cruiser or a carrier instead.
But hey, now we can add the following bullet:
-As a mobile depot, it lacks the 48 hour reinforcement timer, but it can fit a cloak and become invisible-depot!
So, see you in 6 months in the next nestor thread?  |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Mordus Angels
2003
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Posted - 2014.08.11 19:44:00 -
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progodlegend wrote:I think people complaining about the Nestor having no uses are being incredibly uncreative.
If the price comes down, as with this change it should, then I can envision quite a few uses for it.
You guys got to think outside of the box :).
Yeah, people have been saying that for what, 9 months now? Best case scenario: it comes down in price from 1.4 billion to 1 billion, and still no one uses it.
I mean, yeah, it will be used for station games in high sec now. Yaaaaay. |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Mordus Angels
2004
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Posted - 2014.08.12 00:08:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:this is the nestor i want to see
Amarr Battleship Bonuses:
4% Armor resistances per level
Gallente Battleship Bonuses:
10% electronic warfare/ combat utility drone effectiveness and hitpoints per level
Role bonuses:
50% bonus to remote armor repairer amount
750% bonus to Remote Armor Repairer and Remote Capacitor Transmitter range
100% to large energy and hybrid turret damage
Slot layout: 7H, 5M, 7L; 4 turrets
I support this. Ewar drone bonus is new and interesting (mmmmm bonus'd heavy neut drones). |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Mordus Angels
2009
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Posted - 2014.08.12 16:39:00 -
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progodlegend wrote:BayneNothos wrote:Here you go peeps. Go grab three of these and an all cap xfer Guardian. Set up large xfers into the Guardian. Guardian xfers back out into the Nestors and enjoy having the equivalent of eight Guardians worth of rep. Will be good to see how far down in price these come. I've always wanted one but couldn't justify it at current costs.
Note: Is allergic to dreadnoughts.
[Nestor, Nestor fit]
Damage Control II
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I
Large Micro Jump Drive
ECCM - Magnetometric II
ECCM - Magnetometric II
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Repair Augmentor I
Large Remote Repair Augmentor I
Large Targeting System Subcontroller I This guy gets it, but there are ways to do it with out needing the guardian to cap transfer it. Two hints: Large Egress port maximizer rigs Talisman implants However, in general you are on the right track, I mean that fit needs a good bit of work, but you're in the right frame of mind. I can't believe no one understands how powerful a 50% bonus to remote repair amount really is. It's quite possibly one of the most overpowered ship bonuses in the game. And it has a 4% resist bonus? Damnnnnnn. This has been your friendly CSM pvp representative, stopping in with advice.
All very well and good, but that's just as true now as it is with the proposed hyperion changes. So let's ask the easy questions (cause that's what I'm good at) : Why aren't people already doing this?
Simple Answer: because an archon does it better (and humorously enough - the archon hull is currently cheaper than the nestor, though I am obviously ignoring fittings).
The Nestor is currently sitting at 1.3-1.4 bil. Maybe, maybe with these changes it will go down to 1 bil. I doubt it, but w/e. And even than, it still won't be used in that price bracket. |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Mordus Angels
2009
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Posted - 2014.08.12 16:45:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:
Its a support battleship and a damn good one at that. The only issue with it is the cost which will hopefully be fixed with the new drop rate.
Serious question: Do you really see yourself using one of these if the price goes down to 1 bil (before fittings)? Why wouldn't you just use an archon?
Also keep in mind, it won't go below a billion anytime soon. Even going down to a bil is rather extreme as both the astero and the stratios would need to fall in price by about 25-30% as well to make billion isk nestors a viable option for LP/nexus chip conversion.
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Yeah, for your dreadnaught / super-capital fleets maybe.
The nestor is actually terrible in that role, an archon does it better in every way: tank, cap, rep, dps, jump drive, cost effectiveness. |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Mordus Angels
2009
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Posted - 2014.08.12 16:53:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Its a support battleship and a damn good one at that. The only issue with it is the cost which will hopefully be fixed with the new drop rate.
Yeah, for your dreadnaught / super-capital fleets maybe. For everyone else, its useless because guardian/dominix does it better. Any roaming fleet from frigate up.
I'm sure your frig pilots will enjoy waiting an extra minute on each gate, every gate for your nestor to catch up.  |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Mordus Angels
2009
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Posted - 2014.08.12 17:05:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:
Also keep in mind, it won't go below a billion anytime soon. Even going down to a bil is rather extreme as both the astero and the stratios would need to fall in price by about 25-30% as well to make billion isk nestors a viable option for LP/nexus chip conversion.
Give it a few months and if CCPs maths is right it should land around the same price as a vindi.
Two things:
1) I can't remember the last time I saw a (pvp) vindi in null. I'm sure it happens somewhere, but I haven't seen it. Doesn't exactly bode well for the nestor, does it?
2) A vindi is currently 854 mil in jita. In order for a nestor to go down to 854 mil from 1.4 bil, you would need to depress SoE LP/Isk conversion and Nexus Chip/isk conversion by 39%. This would imply a Stratios goes from 289 mil --> 176 mil and an Astero goes from 78 mil --> 47 mil.
While I would love to see a stratios that is cheaper than an ishtar, it ain't gonna happen. |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Mordus Angels
2009
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Posted - 2014.08.12 17:22:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:
How do you know? CCP just stated they are making it easier and cheaper to get.
Care to make a wager?
Two months, if the nestor is down to 854 mil or less, I'll buy you one. If the Nestor is above 854 mil, you buy me one. Sound good?  |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Mordus Angels
2060
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Posted - 2014.08.22 19:19:00 -
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With the new reduction in mass, reduction in cost, and sma it may see some practical use in wormholes. The significantly reduced mass and other abillities at least give it a well defined role, even if that role is low-class-wormhole boat of choice, which is still the tiniest of niches. |
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