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Tehyarec
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Posted - 2006.07.17 18:24:00 -
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So far I haven't really gotten into the roleplay aspect of EVE much. Even so, I've roleplayed in the past, and I never understand people who diss roleplayers. What is wrong with roleplaying? And in case you have a reading deficit, there's the words "ROLE PLAYING" to be found in the term MMORPG. Games like these are designed for roleplayers, they're not (supposed to be) UT2K4 or whatever where you just go and blow up stuff.
Roleplaying deepends the gaming experience and makes it more fun. If roleplaying really is so stupid, why the hell would you watch movies either? After all, the actors are just stupid roleplayers!
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Shamis Orzoz
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2006.07.17 18:26:00 -
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RP is a way to make a plot when there is no plot. There is no need to create imaginary storyline in EVE when there is already so many interesting player driven storylines based on normal game play and mechanics.
RP in EVE is kinda silly tbh.
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Vandar Broheem
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Posted - 2006.07.17 18:38:00 -
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Edited by: Vandar Broheem on 17/07/2006 18:44:23
 Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
RP is a way to make a plot when there is no plot. There is no need to create imaginary storyline in EVE when there is already so many interesting player driven storylines based on normal game play and mechanics.
RP in EVE is kinda silly tbh.
Considering that nobody is actually flying around in spaceships and blowing things up then all those player driven storylines ARE roleplaying.
In fact anything and everything you do in EVE is centered around the fact that you are playing the ROLE of a star pilot.
So unless one of you guys knows a secret about how to make all my ships and other goodies to become real and absolute out in my real life garage then your complaints about roleplayers are "kinda silly tbh".
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Batoda Arnadi
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Posted - 2006.07.17 18:47:00 -
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I must say I quite enjoy roleplaying in EVE. But to me that just means I'm acting out my character, and making choices based on how I think my character would or should react. I'm a Minmatar living within the Caldari State, and the corporations I run missions for aren't random, they're deliberate choices. I also decline missions that my character would object to doing for example. And as Vhekkies are often traders by nature, that's also something I like to focus on.
To me, playing like that increases the immersion and makes it a lot more fun for me. However, that doesn't mean I give off insane speeches in local, or pretend to have any kind of authority on behalf of a faction, or act as if I'm anything more than a pod pilot trying to make a living. Because that's usually where it goes haywire.
I see this all the time in World of Warcraft. Yes, I play that as well. *gasp* And I'm not even ashamed to say I enjoy it every now and then - but only on RP servers. Without that, the game gets boring VERY fast. The RP'ers I enjoy playing with there are the ones that keep things normal and sane. They just act out their characters.
The ones that annoy me are the ones that overdo it: the halfbloods ("I'm half human, half Elf!" "O RLY?"), the "my parents got murdered" stories and the "I'm really a demon" ones that you can't get off your leg when they find out you're into RP. They're a dime a dozen and make for boring RP most of the time.
Same with EVE, I love making decisions for my character based on his background and the various storylines. I even keep things in-character when I send people EVE mail. But that's as far as it goes. Anything more, and I'd feel obligated to pod myself. 
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Gungankllr
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.17 19:13:00 -
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Roleplay events are nice every now and then, because it breaks up the bland "We're going to war because so and so shot our shuttle" conflicts that arise every other week.
It's fun because it lets the players interact with CCP, and because it usually has a sense of purpose.
I've been at a ton of major events, my hands down favorite was the Serpentis corp stealing a Gallente titan.
BoB and FIX teamed up and went a few rounds with some folks that wanted to defend the titan.
The Gallente state kinda borked us though, didn't give us anything for our trouble 
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Gaven Lok'ri
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.17 19:43:00 -
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The only difference I see in EVE between roleplayers and non-roleplayers is that the roleplayers have some understanding of the difference between in character and out of character and create a persona tht isnt them.
If you are playing a psychopath who kills everything he sees, but would never do that in RL, you are roleplaying just as much as I am when I play my slaving nobleman of a character.
On top of that, whether you RP or play yourself... EVERY action in EVE save talking is by default in character. When you blow someone up your character blows someone up. When you give someone money, your character gives someone money. You can be playing yourself and still be roleplaying, though the more concious roleplayers are going to see you as insane.
There is very little that is truely bad RP, it is not an exclusive group by any means. Simply you RP by playing a roleplaying game.
The huge difference between EVE and other RP environments is that EVE is about conflict. Whether that is market conflict, propoganda, or straight military engagements... EVE revolves around conflict.
What this means is that most RP groups RP more by their choices in conflict than anything else. Much of EVE's roleplay is simply justification for the actions they take in game. When you see a PIE release on IGS, its based on something we are actually doing in game; a reality that is true with almost every decent RP group. And when you get down to it, 90% of those releases are conflict of one sort or another.
In essence, the only difference between a good RP combat corporation and any other quality PvP organisation is the reasons they chose to justify the styles of combat they engage in. There are other trends across the board, but that is the one that defines a group as RP or not. (and is something people should remember when downplaying an RP groups effectiveness because they RP.)
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Shamis Orzoz
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2006.07.17 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: Vandar Broheem
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
RP is a way to make a plot when there is no plot. There is no need to create imaginary storyline in EVE when there is already so many interesting player driven storylines based on normal game play and mechanics.
RP in EVE is kinda silly tbh.
Considering that nobody is actually flying around in spaceships and blowing things up then all those player driven storylines ARE roleplaying.
In fact anything and everything you do in EVE is centered around the fact that you are playing the ROLE of a star pilot.
So unless one of you guys knows a secret about how to make all my ships and other goodies to become real and absolute out in my real life garage then your complaints about roleplayers are "kinda silly tbh".
I think you agreed with me without even knowing it.
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Padaxes
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.17 19:48:00 -
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The problem is due to the fact that there is rarely any reason to do so. The "flavor text" (as the Knights of the Dinner Table would call it) usually doesn't influence game mechanics.
I went on to explain why i think there IS a reason, by creating more immersion for yourself you enjoy the game more. Enjoyment is the reason we play games. As Eddie said RP is the icing on the cake.
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Padaxes
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.17 19:52:00 -
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Quote:
RP is a way to make a plot when there is no plot. There is no need to create imaginary storyline in EVE when there is already so many interesting player driven storylines based on normal game play and mechanics.
RP in EVE is kinda silly tbh.
Oh and thats just plain wrong on every level.
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Montague Zooma
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.07.17 23:49:00 -
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Originally by: Padaxes
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The problem is due to the fact that there is rarely any reason to do so. The "flavor text" (as the Knights of the Dinner Table would call it) usually doesn't influence game mechanics.
I went on to explain why i think there IS a reason, by creating more immersion for yourself you enjoy the game more. Enjoyment is the reason we play games. As Eddie said RP is the icing on the cake.
I was looking at reasons provided by the game mechanics, not by the players. Heck, for some folks, cybersex is the icing on the cake....
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Jason Marshall
Hammer Of Light
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Posted - 2006.07.18 01:48:00 -
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Originally by: Wrangler
EVE is big enough for both role-players and non role-players. If you don't like it or don't understand it, then ignore it. If you like role-playing, then keep doing it. It's as simple as that, live and let live.
'Dont ask, dont tell'.....
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Sigurd Ross
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Posted - 2006.07.18 02:00:00 -
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For non-roleplayers who are rabidly afraid of roleplaying in any form, could someone display the link for "Progress Quest?"
It's the perfect RPG for people too cool to roleplay or have any kind of immersive setting.
You sort of sit back, and these numbers rise. Your stats improve and you gradually become more leet. No silly spaceships, no swords or sorcery, none of that "geek" stuff. You can play Progress Quest for an hour at a time and go back to hanggliding with your trophy wife, decked out in a bikini made of hundred dollar bills, landing your hangglider in a swimming pool full of beer because you are so DAMN successful and awesome and fantasy is for losers!
... Right? 
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Benefactor
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Posted - 2006.07.18 03:35:00 -
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I simply don't understand that "be safe" business when typical roleplayers part ways.
How can you "be safe" in EVE and make any isk? 
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Padaxes
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.18 09:24:00 -
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I was looking at reasons provided by the game mechanics, not by the players. Heck, for some folks, cybersex is the icing on the cake....
I would say the issue of enjoyment superscedes distinctions like that. We all want to have fun in the game. Throwing in a comparision with something like cybersex is just pointless.
I am talking what is already provided , a rich background, history, races and a glorious looking envronement. I dont understand how anyone can play Eve and ignore the setting so pig headedly (not you specifically!).
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Aodha Khan
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.18 11:03:00 -
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Originally by: Benefactor
How can you "be safe" in EVE and make any isk?
Quite easily.
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SengH
Black Omega Security
E.R.A
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Posted - 2006.07.18 11:07:00 -
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IMHO they should RP the release of new tech similar to the crilere (sp) event. Rather than just seeding them on the market and oh whoopdie doo right after DT its there......
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Padaxes
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.18 11:08:00 -
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IMHO they should RP the release of new tech similar to the crilere (sp) event. Rather than just seeding them on the market and oh whoopdie doo right after DT its there......
Agreed
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Khaldorn Murino
Kinda'Shujaa
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.07.18 11:09:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
RP is a way to make a plot when there is no plot. There is no need to create imaginary storyline in EVE when there is already so many interesting player driven storylines based on normal game play and mechanics.
RP in EVE is kinda silly tbh.
Dude. What you have just described is Roleplay.
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Sigurd Ross
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Posted - 2006.07.18 12:20:00 -
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How come many roleplayers often have to add so many extra words to what they say?
Let me give an example: A greeting while ratting.
Me: "Hey out there! Come here often?"
RP'r: "I bid you greetings. I have traveled hereabouts, yes..."
Dunno... while being in character is great and all, why are so many people pompous and pretentious while "in character?" 
Something tells me that in this setting, casual talk would be, if anything, more widespread than in the modern day, with faster-than light communications, direct neural connections to universal translators, and the like.
My translator would probably filter a lot of RP-speak as -----snobbery----- between each relevant statement. 
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Khaldorn Murino
Kinda'Shujaa
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.07.18 12:36:00 -
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Even tho im not a very good roleplayer, I agree. Just take it that those people are playing pompous gits and your all good.
At the end of the day, its just about immersion in the virtual world. You can guarantee that RPers dont talk in character in corp chats etc etc, its just another element on top of the game. People who find it fun elaborate on it.
Its like.. when you watch a movie its alot more fun when your immersed in it eh?
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Nooey
Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.07.18 12:55:00 -
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Edited by: Nooey on 18/07/2006 12:56:38
Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
In essence, the only difference between a good RP combat corporation and any other quality PvP organisation is the reasons they chose to justify the styles of [and reasons for] combat they engage in. There are other trends across the board, but that is the one that defines a group as RP or not. (and is something people should remember when downplaying an RP groups effectiveness because they RP.)
Quoted for truth. (And edited for total accuracy )
Edit: Also, as far as I'm aware, no RP group claims to speak for the Caldari State like you said Evelyn. At least, not any I've seen.
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Nikolai Nuvolari
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.18 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: Evelyn Lavi
An example being the people who pretend to speak for the Caldari Nation, or take the inaction of an NPC group like the Serpentis as something more than just that, inaction.
"Haha! Serpentis quakes in fear at my threat of their imminent annihilation!"
That's not RP.
That's being a moron.
Oh, and it's the Caldari STATE.
Originally by: Jim McGregor
When you get killed, do you roleplay the hate mail? Its actually a serious question. 
Hatemail exists in real life, hence it's perfectly reasonable RP.
Originally by: BobFromMarketing
Originally by: Splagada
Originally by: Gorion Wassenar
Beef? Yes, because the world cup of soccer is definatly something thats really big in the EVE 'verse. The Amarr Soccer team got owned by that Gallente dude headbutting him in the face.
sending the amarr dude orbiting away at 200 UAs
CCP, we need 0-gravity soccer !
ok maybe not
Zero grav soccer? Sounds pretty close to blitzball to me ^_^
Id watch it
I think Calvinball would work great in zero-G.
Originally by: Sigurd Ross
RP'r: "I bid you greetings. I have traveled hereabouts, yes..."
Again, not roleplay, just stupidity.
I read a lot of complaints about RPers talking as if they're medieval poets or something, but I never actually see it...I think people just ASSUME that RPers do it because of other games where it's appropriate, and make up complaints based on this.
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.07.18 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: Sigurd Ross
[...]RP'r: "I bid you greetings. I have traveled hereabouts, yes..."[...]
I guess (s)he plays someone who got hit over the head once to often ...
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Novarei
Ninth Column
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Posted - 2006.07.18 14:23:00 -
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mmmmmm beef.
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Tehyarec
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Posted - 2006.07.18 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: Nooey
Edit: Also, as far as I'm aware, no RP group claims to speak for the Caldari State like you said Evelyn. At least, not any I've seen.
One person @ IGS does seem to do that, seen a couple of such posts by that person.
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Benefactor
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Posted - 2006.07.18 14:58:00 -
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Hey, I was wondering if "smirks" is a valid little emote for roleplaying.
First, we're sitting in capsules. Unless we mentally project emotes because we're THAT desperate to sound like our favorite cliche'd anime angsty antiheroes, it doesn't seem very likely I would be able to see anyone sitting in a vat of goo while they are smirking.
Second... what the hell's with smirking? It's sort of saying "I'm not imaginative enough to respond to what you just said, so I'll just be smug and disdainful." 
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