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Evelyn Lavi	Posted - 2006.07.17 07:54:00 - [1] Edited by: Evelyn Lavi on 17/07/2006 07:56:02 Why do people refer to "RP" events as if they were so far removed from the game that they have no relevance. This isn't an instance-filled, shard and multiple server, super-stagnated timeline snoozefest like World of Warcraft, Star Wars Galaxies, or EQ2. We ARE the story. Every time you blow someone up, or get yourself blown up, well, guess what? It "happened in the story." I normally celebrate good roleplaying, but "roleplayers" who do things and pretend to be things that are entirely removed from the actual game's events are just silly.
Evelyn Lavi	Posted - 2006.07.17 07:57:00 - [2] An example being the people who pretend to speak for the Caldari Nation, or take the inaction of an NPC group like the Serpentis as something more than just that, inaction. "Haha! Serpentis quakes in fear at my threat of their imminent annihilation!"
Tachy	Posted - 2006.07.17 08:03:00 - [3] Maybe it is the long lasting absence of evolving story of the empires and other groups that made you itchy when you encounter people playing along the official background? --==*-- Even with nougat, you can have a perfect moment.
Gorion Wassenar Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.17 08:20:00 - [4] Beef? Yes, because the world cup of soccer is definatly something thats really big in the EVE 'verse. The Amarr Soccer team got owned by that Gallente dude headbutting him in the face. Lighten up. ------------------ CEO of TKI
Splagada Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.17 08:24:00 - [5] Originally by: Gorion Wassenar Beef? Yes, because the world cup of soccer is definatly something thats really big in the EVE 'verse. The Amarr Soccer team got owned by that Gallente dude headbutting him in the face. sending the amarr dude orbiting away at 200 UAs CCP, we need 0-gravity soccer ! ok maybe not - evemail me if you need a free forum for your corp
Aodha Khan Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.17 08:37:00 - [6] Edited by: Aodha Khan on 17/07/2006 08:41:32 Originally by: Evelyn Lavi Edited by: Evelyn Lavi on 17/07/2006 07:56:02 This isn't an instance-filled, shard and multiple server, super-stagnated timeline snoozefest like World of Warcraft, Star Wars Galaxies, or EQ2. We ARE the story. Every time you blow someone up, or get yourself blown up, well, guess what? It "happened in the story." I normally celebrate good roleplaying, but "roleplayers" who do things and pretend to be things that are entirely removed from the actual game's events are just silly. The game events are created by the players. Everyone who takes part in Eve is roleplaying to an extent. The difference between them and those who call themselves 'roleplayers' is that the 'roleplayers' try and follow the in-game background storyline. For example, the Blood Raiders were defeated in the Bleak Lands one year ago. Only last month we, Blood Inquisition returned to help reclaim it from the Amarr. The 0.0 alliances do the same type of thing only they do it without the backstory created by CCP. You will find that most of the so called roleplay corporations aren't actually roleplayers in the traditional sense like in other MMORPG such as Ultima Online where they actually do roleplay and OOC comments are frowned upon so the characters can immerse themselves into the environment. Eve has very few corps who actually take it to this extent. Although I can understand someone stating they represent the Caldari Nation to be a load of made up nonsense as they are only pod pilots and cannot represent the Caldari Nation but can, of course, support it. So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak.
Crumplecorn Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.17 09:01:00 - [7] Edited by: Crumplecorn on 17/07/2006 09:02:23 Edited by: Crumplecorn on 17/07/2006 09:01:31 I think anyone who plays the game anyway intelligently is RPing to some extent. For instance, my character is a carebear (mostly), and I make decisons in-game based on that, but I decided on that kind of character because that's how I wanted to play the game IRL, so it's a chicken and egg scenario where I'm really RPing myself in the game. If I had an alt, I'd 'roleplay' someone different, or at least a different aspect of my own personality. But that's just playing the game. You know you're really RPing when you say 'Your cruiser is floating in a long dark hallway' in local. ---------- Always Up To SomethingÖ One of us is really thick, and I hope its you - Kalaan Oratay
Sigurd Ross	Posted - 2006.07.17 09:21:00 - [8] Are there any girls there? If there are any girls there, I wanna DO them!
Karira Viccio	Posted - 2006.07.17 09:30:00 - [9] Hail thee adventurers ;) (I'm currently in trial, so I never participated in a RP event in EVE) The "I play me in space"-type of player get boring really quickly as a RP-character, while he can be a good social player. A roleplayer in my opinion not only plays out his role but proactively works on his agenda, with drawbacks and all. That makes roleplaying amusing and diverse. All computer game is more or less handicapped than tabletop, because you can't invent new items on the fly as a DM could. A MMORPG character is also valuable, with even a price on E-bay, which makes the odd character less likely to exist in higher levels, tabletop DMs could compensate for this. On the other hand, a 20 000 people tabletop game would be unplayable ;) Could you explain some more about RP events in EVE, please.
Maggot Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.17 09:40:00 - [10] Quote: I normally celebrate good roleplaying, but "roleplayers" who do things and pretend to be things that are entirely removed from the actual game's events are just silly. Metagaming FTL. Most often it ends in tears. Stick to what happens in the game and you cant go wrong. I am sure there are some great examples of wonderful metagaming, but its very very hard to pull off.
Sigurd Ross	Posted - 2006.07.17 09:45:00 - [11] Originally by: Maggot Quote: I normally celebrate good roleplaying, but "roleplayers" who do things and pretend to be things that are entirely removed from the actual game's events are just silly. Metagaming FTL. Most often it ends in tears. Stick to what happens in the game and you cant go wrong. I am sure there are some great examples of wonderful metagaming, but its very very hard to pull off. My problem with deliberate "roleplaying" is that people seem to be instinctually trained to act, speak, and behave as if nothing is happening around them except what is pertinent to their bubble of a personal world, caught up in their own pretenses and their own drama instead of actually LIVING in a dynamic, somewhat unpredictable game world. Isn't this what roleplayers (like me) wanted all along? A very immersive setting where our decisions actually mattered? Maybe we got lost for so long in the MMO wilderness we forgot what we were looking for.
Isyel Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.17 11:08:00 - [12] As a long time RPer from other places (NWN and the like) i can say that, as i see it, eve is not that good for "traditional RP". Perhaps it's just a feeling i get or the fact you are always in a spaceship and don't have personal contact which helps a lot to make an interesting RP situation. RP should be about watching your surroundings and reacting to them as your character would, which in EvE sometimes results in odd situations where you don't know if the person is IC or OOC due to the modern setting (well, sci-fi but still). People "representing the Caldari state" and the like are just sad. Unless you actually have been elected or something trough an event it doesn't make any sense, and that part i agree with. Given that it's sad that we can't influence NPC factions really, it would be interesting but perhaps for another time.
Benefactor	Posted - 2006.07.17 12:15:00 - [13] Originally by: Isyel As a long time RPer from other places (NWN and the like) i can say that, as i see it, eve is not that good for "traditional RP". Perhaps it's just a feeling i get or the fact you are always in a spaceship and don't have personal contact which helps a lot to make an interesting RP situation. RP should be about watching your surroundings and reacting to them as your character would, which in EvE sometimes results in odd situations where you don't know if the person is IC or OOC due to the modern setting (well, sci-fi but still). People "representing the Caldari state" and the like are just sad. Unless you actually have been elected or something trough an event it doesn't make any sense, and that part i agree with. Given that it's sad that we can't influence NPC factions really, it would be interesting but perhaps for another time. Traditional RP, for a tremendous number of people who play MMOs, has usually involved "taking a break" from what you're doing, sitting in a tavern or something, and more or less "playing pretend" without any direct usage of game mechanics, except perhaps the occasional /emote and the occasional "duel" to simulate some controlled conflict. EVE is a hostile, inhospitable pocket of stars in a remote section of space. While I'd (possibly) like to walk around outside of my ship and maybe chat it up in some space bar, a lot of my immersion comes from simply traveling space, seeing the sights, and doing the things I do best. What I want most, to add to my "roleplay" experience, is a NPC crew that reacts to my decisions, perhaps gives commentary on what's going on, or even better, actually modifies my ship's performance based upon their own abilities. I haven't seen a crew I could really relate to and grow with since oldschool Starflight. I want that feeling back!

Wrangler	Posted - 2006.07.17 12:23:00 - [14] EVE is big enough for both role-players and non role-players. If you don't like it or don't understand it, then ignore it. If you like role-playing, then keep doing it. It's as simple as that, live and let live. Wrangler Assistant Community Manager EVE Online Contact Support - Contact Moderators - Report Bug - Submit News Leads Knowledge Base - Player Guide - Policies - Join ISD - Fan Submissions

Maggot Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.17 12:59:00 - [15] Originally by: Wrangler It's as simple as that, live and let live. Indeed, never **** on another man's roleplay.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.17 13:04:00 - [16] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 17/07/2006 13:04:35 When you get killed, do you roleplay the hate mail? Its actually a serious question. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Avon Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.17 13:06:00 - [17] When people roleplay in local I roleplay that I think they are just mentally unbalanced, and thus spouting coversational testies. Hang on.. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Hardin Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.17 13:18:00 - [18] Everyone in EVE is a roleplayer - whether they like to admit it or not. Making ISK, fighting wars, building empires and tearing them down - its all part of the story in this game and everyone plays a role in it. We create the news, we create the stories, we fill the roles. Goodies, baddies, heros and villains - that's who we are and that is what EVE is - one big story that we ALL contribute too. Yes - some of us take it a little more seriously and use the back story to add a little depth to the game - and fun to the experience (Death to the Minmatar terrorists!) However even if you don't - even if you despise the idea that you could possibly be a roleplayer - the mere fact that you do anything in the game makes you an accomplice. In the CVA we fight against two main groups of enemies The Ushra'khan alliance - our traditional Matari (roleplay) enemies. Evil women and children slaughtering terrorists doing their bit to overthrow true justice and the Amarrian way. It's a roleplay war - but what does that mean. Does it mean anything different than any other war in the game - nope - apart from the fact that we have a certain levele of mutual respect bred over three years of hard conflict. Its just as gritty, just as real as any other conflict in this game... The second enemies we face are pirates. Very few of these are roleplayers in the traditional sense - yet they are for us. The come into Amarr space and they are the baddies. They are our enemies and we live to make their lives hard. They are part of the EVE story. They are 'roleplayers' whether they want to be or not. However, the mere fact that they are pirates means they made choice - conscious or not - to be the 'bad' guys and that is their 'role' - just as it our role to kill them. We may not dress up and run around in woods whacking each other with wooden swords but we are roleplaying... In our area of Providence we have extended Amarr to 0.0. The non-CVA people who live there may not consider themselves roleplayers or feel any kind of loyalty to the Amarr Ampire but they obey our rules because they know its the CVA that protects them - they even help us police the area - indirectly contributing to the expansion of the Amarr ideology - the same applies to those who live in Ushra'Khan space. Love it or hate it - you are all roleplayers now ------------------------------ Hardin's Blog (BACK UP!)
Smagd Encina Technologies Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.07.17 15:20:00 - [19] Originally by: Wrangler live and let live. Haha .. sorry. (Wanted: Smiley with straight face). I still think I won't be able to resist quoting that to the next person trying to shoot me up or vice versa. Smagd -- When I hear anyone arguing for slavery, I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally. Thukkers do
Avon Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.17 15:28:00 - [20] Originally by: Smagd Originally by: Wrangler live and let live. Haha .. sorry. (Wanted: Smiley with straight face). The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Smagd Encina Technologies Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.07.17 15:31:00 - [21] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Smagd Originally by: Wrangler live and let live. Haha .. sorry. (Wanted: Smiley with straight face). Thought that looked a bit miserable. Oh well ... here you go: Originally by: Wrangler live and let live. Haha .. sorry. -- When I hear anyone arguing for slavery, I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally. Thukkers do
BobFromMarketing Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.17 15:50:00 - [22] Originally by: Splagada Originally by: Gorion Wassenar Beef? Yes, because the world cup of soccer is definatly something thats really big in the EVE 'verse. The Amarr Soccer team got owned by that Gallente dude headbutting him in the face. sending the amarr dude orbiting away at 200 UAs CCP, we need 0-gravity soccer ! ok maybe not Zero grav soccer? Sounds pretty close to blitzball to me ^_^ Id watch it
fairimear Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.17 15:55:00 - [23] Originally by: Wrangler EVE is big enough for both role-players and non role-players. If you don't like it or don't understand it, then ignore it. If you like role-playing, then keep doing it. It's as simple as that, live and let live. never. in true human fashion, what we dont understand we must obliterate.
Padaxes Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.17 16:39:00 - [24] Edited by: Padaxes on 17/07/2006 16:40:33 Quote: Everyone in EVE is a roleplayer - whether they like to admit it or not. I agree with this to a certain extent, but what your really saying is that you can interpret other peoples actions as Roleplay. There are many players in Eve that are so far from Roleplay I really think they are actually lessening their enjoyment of the game. They reduce the whole game to numbers, woe betide any roleplayer who tries to interact with these types, be prepared for barrages of abuse about your stupity, how its just an f*ing game etc etc. If you need proof of ignorant attitudes listen to some of Stavros' comments about RP on Eve TV. I think most players would be pleasently surprised if they actually immersed themselves a little bit in the story. Hardly anyone (percentage wise) pays any attention to their race, the NPC stories etc. I agree that real roleplay in eve is hard work, but thats only because so many of the players are resistant to it. One of the biggest killers in MMOGs is boredom and I think RP is one of the best ways of delaying the onset of that. Not full on RP, just adding alittle depth to your game, not only making it more enjoyable for yourself , but also making it more enjoyable for everyone you interact with. Of course RP makes life a little harder so most people would dismiss it out of hand, but nothing worthwile is ever free, the rewards of putting just a little bit more effort in on this front pay dividends. If everyone played just a little more in character Eve would quickly become a far richer more interesting place. Its not about making stuff up, there is an incredibly rich backstory that everyone is playing in already, its not a huge leap to actually take some notice of it. Hmmm turned into a bit of ramble there, not sure what my point was.......
Eddie Gordo Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.17 17:54:00 - [25] For me the roleplay is just the icing on the top. For all intensive purposes Masuat'aa Matari, and Ushra'khan are just the same as any other 0.0 corp/alliance. Most of the time we pvp or we are trying to make some isk because we just got our asses kicked. The only difference between us and "non roleplayers" is that all of our decisions in game are based on "in character motivation". Take our outpost and choice of 0.0 territory for example. Providence is utterly useless as a 0.0 region, but we chose it to be close to the CVA and the amarrian empire. Thus drawing a new front line for the conflict. Roleplay dialogue is normally saved for local chat and the eve-o forums. I dont know of any corps that HAVE to rolelplay in corp/alliance this is just counter productive and you cant really get much done IN GAME if your constantly having to rp it. The other major difference between us and everyone else is the sheer ammount of times we get into the news or get to interact with the npc factions through the aurora events. Effort is rewarded Now Recruiting
Wendat Huron Lupus Industries	Posted - 2006.07.17 18:04:00 - [26] That's quite the unveiling.
Montague Zooma Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.07.17 18:07:00 - [27] Edited by: Montague Zooma on 17/07/2006 18:12:07 Quote: Hardly anyone (percentage wise) pays any attention to their race, the NPC stories etc. The problem is due to the fact that there is rarely any reason to do so. The "flavor text" (as the Knights of the Dinner Table would call it) usually doesn't influence game mechanics. Eve relies on the players for content...thus the majority of players tend to ignore the flavor text and focus on what directly concerns them...blowing each other up, claiming territory, blowing each other up, making isk, blowing each other up, and building stuff. Maybe Kali will provide more incentive to follow the developer provided storylines. In my own case, I fell in love with the game mechanics but the storyline didn't do much for me. I eventually wound up in a storyline-roleplaying corp because I like the players in CVA and enjoy the way they play the game.
Grimpak Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.17 18:09:00 - [28] Originally by: fairimear Originally by: Wrangler EVE is big enough for both role-players and non role-players. If you don't like it or don't understand it, then ignore it. If you like role-playing, then keep doing it. It's as simple as that, live and let live. never. in true human fashion, what we dont understand we must obliterate. wrong wrong wrong. ..that's incomplete. more correct way is: What we don't understand, we fear. What we fear, we obliterate. ..that's how humans work ------- Originally by: Abdalion Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant? Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
Isyel Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.17 18:10:00 - [29] Originally by: Benefactor Originally by: Isyel As a long time RPer from other places (NWN and the like) i can say that, as i see it, eve is not that good for "traditional RP". Perhaps it's just a feeling i get or the fact you are always in a spaceship and don't have personal contact which helps a lot to make an interesting RP situation. RP should be about watching your surroundings and reacting to them as your character would, which in EvE sometimes results in odd situations where you don't know if the person is IC or OOC due to the modern setting (well, sci-fi but still). People "representing the Caldari state" and the like are just sad. Unless you actually have been elected or something trough an event it doesn't make any sense, and that part i agree with. Given that it's sad that we can't influence NPC factions really, it would be interesting but perhaps for another time. Traditional RP, for a tremendous number of people who play MMOs, has usually involved "taking a break" from what you're doing, sitting in a tavern or something, and more or less "playing pretend" without any direct usage of game mechanics, except perhaps the occasional /emote and the occasional "duel" to simulate some controlled conflict. EVE is a hostile, inhospitable pocket of stars in a remote section of space. While I'd (possibly) like to walk around outside of my ship and maybe chat it up in some space bar, a lot of my immersion comes from simply traveling space, seeing the sights, and doing the things I do best. What I want most, to add to my "roleplay" experience, is a NPC crew that reacts to my decisions, perhaps gives commentary on what's going on, or even better, actually modifies my ship's performance based upon their own abilities. I haven't seen a crew I could really relate to and grow with since oldschool Starflight. I want that feeling back! I beg to differ on the traditional RP side. I used to play on a NWN server for a while (2 years) which was PvP Rp, basically two factions battling , and the best RP on the server came exactly from that conflict, especially as the war went on for a long, long time (a few RL years of existance with the timeformat 1IG Hour = 5RL Minutes or somiliar amounts to a lot, + the backstory and all) and not many knew exactly WHY they were still fighting. Lots of interesting stuff happened and usually the ones doing RP by your definition lost most of the fun. (Oh and the death penalty was, if you could put it in EVE terms, keeping your stuff and loosing SP :P, double the amount if you didn't wait to get resurrected by someone). Given that it's a bit hard to RP in that way in MMOs since there's many more players and not everyone abides by the same rules and ideas, or even plays the game in similiar ways. Easier with 60 people. I'd really want to hit an amarr properly, in person to be honest, other than just his ship. Would be very satisfying, but EVE doesn't really need that right now, or anytime soon, until other stuff has been done. The wingmen would be interesting, but it's better to have people there. What i meant by my NPC comment before was that it would be nice if players could influence the whole factions etc., right now it's just too static. Hoping for Kali and factional warfare, hehe.
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.07.17 18:19:00 - [30] Originally by: Maggot Quote: I normally celebrate good roleplaying, but "roleplayers" who do things and pretend to be things that are entirely removed from the actual game's events are just silly. Metagaming FTL. Most often it ends in tears. Stick to what happens in the game and you cant go wrong. I am sure there are some great examples of wonderful metagaming, but its very very hard to pull off. I dont think I've ever seen good metagaming, on any game, ever. It just doesn't exist. When you bring in things you know but characters don't, it tends to get lame.
Tehyarec	Posted - 2006.07.17 18:24:00 - [31] So far I haven't really gotten into the roleplay aspect of EVE much. Even so, I've roleplayed in the past, and I never understand people who diss roleplayers. What is wrong with roleplaying? And in case you have a reading deficit, there's the words "ROLE PLAYING" to be found in the term MMORPG. Games like these are designed for roleplayers, they're not (supposed to be) UT2K4 or whatever where you just go and blow up stuff. Roleplaying deepends the gaming experience and makes it more fun. If roleplaying really is so stupid, why the hell would you watch movies either? After all, the actors are just stupid roleplayers! Silverleaf Foundation Website & Shop
Shamis Orzoz SniggWaffe	Posted - 2006.07.17 18:26:00 - [32] RP is a way to make a plot when there is no plot. There is no need to create imaginary storyline in EVE when there is already so many interesting player driven storylines based on normal game play and mechanics. RP in EVE is kinda silly tbh.
Vandar Broheem	Posted - 2006.07.17 18:38:00 - [33] Edited by: Vandar Broheem on 17/07/2006 18:44:23 Originally by: Shamis Orzoz RP is a way to make a plot when there is no plot. There is no need to create imaginary storyline in EVE when there is already so many interesting player driven storylines based on normal game play and mechanics. RP in EVE is kinda silly tbh. Considering that nobody is actually flying around in spaceships and blowing things up then all those player driven storylines ARE roleplaying. In fact anything and everything you do in EVE is centered around the fact that you are playing the ROLE of a star pilot. So unless one of you guys knows a secret about how to make all my ships and other goodies to become real and absolute out in my real life garage then your complaints about roleplayers are "kinda silly tbh".
Batoda Arnadi	Posted - 2006.07.17 18:47:00 - [34] I must say I quite enjoy roleplaying in EVE. But to me that just means I'm acting out my character, and making choices based on how I think my character would or should react. I'm a Minmatar living within the Caldari State, and the corporations I run missions for aren't random, they're deliberate choices. I also decline missions that my character would object to doing for example. And as Vhekkies are often traders by nature, that's also something I like to focus on. To me, playing like that increases the immersion and makes it a lot more fun for me. However, that doesn't mean I give off insane speeches in local, or pretend to have any kind of authority on behalf of a faction, or act as if I'm anything more than a pod pilot trying to make a living. Because that's usually where it goes haywire. I see this all the time in World of Warcraft. Yes, I play that as well. gasp And I'm not even ashamed to say I enjoy it every now and then - but only on RP servers. Without that, the game gets boring VERY fast. The RP'ers I enjoy playing with there are the ones that keep things normal and sane. They just act out their characters. The ones that annoy me are the ones that overdo it: the halfbloods ("I'm half human, half Elf!" "O RLY?"), the "my parents got murdered" stories and the "I'm really a demon" ones that you can't get off your leg when they find out you're into RP. They're a dime a dozen and make for boring RP most of the time. Same with EVE, I love making decisions for my character based on his background and the various storylines. I even keep things in-character when I send people EVE mail. But that's as far as it goes. Anything more, and I'd feel obligated to pod myself.
Gungankllr Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.17 19:13:00 - [35] Roleplay events are nice every now and then, because it breaks up the bland "We're going to war because so and so shot our shuttle" conflicts that arise every other week. It's fun because it lets the players interact with CCP, and because it usually has a sense of purpose. I've been at a ton of major events, my hands down favorite was the Serpentis corp stealing a Gallente titan. BoB and FIX teamed up and went a few rounds with some folks that wanted to defend the titan. The Gallente state kinda borked us though, didn't give us anything for our trouble Hidden in this signature is a secret message. I like pie.
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.17 19:43:00 - [36] The only difference I see in EVE between roleplayers and non-roleplayers is that the roleplayers have some understanding of the difference between in character and out of character and create a persona tht isnt them. If you are playing a psychopath who kills everything he sees, but would never do that in RL, you are roleplaying just as much as I am when I play my slaving nobleman of a character. On top of that, whether you RP or play yourself... EVERY action in EVE save talking is by default in character. When you blow someone up your character blows someone up. When you give someone money, your character gives someone money. You can be playing yourself and still be roleplaying, though the more concious roleplayers are going to see you as insane. There is very little that is truely bad RP, it is not an exclusive group by any means. Simply you RP by playing a roleplaying game. The huge difference between EVE and other RP environments is that EVE is about conflict. Whether that is market conflict, propoganda, or straight military engagements... EVE revolves around conflict. What this means is that most RP groups RP more by their choices in conflict than anything else. Much of EVE's roleplay is simply justification for the actions they take in game. When you see a PIE release on IGS, its based on something we are actually doing in game; a reality that is true with almost every decent RP group. And when you get down to it, 90% of those releases are conflict of one sort or another. In essence, the only difference between a good RP combat corporation and any other quality PvP organisation is the reasons they chose to justify the styles of combat they engage in. There are other trends across the board, but that is the one that defines a group as RP or not. (and is something people should remember when downplaying an RP groups effectiveness because they RP.) Deus Vult! PIE Website PIE public channel:'PIE Public'
Shamis Orzoz SniggWaffe	Posted - 2006.07.17 19:45:00 - [37] Originally by: Vandar Broheem Originally by: Shamis Orzoz RP is a way to make a plot when there is no plot. There is no need to create imaginary storyline in EVE when there is already so many interesting player driven storylines based on normal game play and mechanics. RP in EVE is kinda silly tbh. Considering that nobody is actually flying around in spaceships and blowing things up then all those player driven storylines ARE roleplaying. In fact anything and everything you do in EVE is centered around the fact that you are playing the ROLE of a star pilot. So unless one of you guys knows a secret about how to make all my ships and other goodies to become real and absolute out in my real life garage then your complaints about roleplayers are "kinda silly tbh". I think you agreed with me without even knowing it.
Padaxes Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.17 19:48:00 - [38] Quote: The problem is due to the fact that there is rarely any reason to do so. The "flavor text" (as the Knights of the Dinner Table would call it) usually doesn't influence game mechanics. I went on to explain why i think there IS a reason, by creating more immersion for yourself you enjoy the game more. Enjoyment is the reason we play games. As Eddie said RP is the icing on the cake.
Padaxes Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.17 19:52:00 - [39] Quote: RP is a way to make a plot when there is no plot. There is no need to create imaginary storyline in EVE when there is already so many interesting player driven storylines based on normal game play and mechanics. RP in EVE is kinda silly tbh. Oh and thats just plain wrong on every level.
Montague Zooma Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.07.17 23:49:00 - [40] Originally by: Padaxes Quote: The problem is due to the fact that there is rarely any reason to do so. The "flavor text" (as the Knights of the Dinner Table would call it) usually doesn't influence game mechanics. I went on to explain why i think there IS a reason, by creating more immersion for yourself you enjoy the game more. Enjoyment is the reason we play games. As Eddie said RP is the icing on the cake. I was looking at reasons provided by the game mechanics, not by the players. Heck, for some folks, cybersex is the icing on the cake....
Jason Marshall Hammer Of Light	Posted - 2006.07.18 01:48:00 - [41] Originally by: Wrangler EVE is big enough for both role-players and non role-players. If you don't like it or don't understand it, then ignore it. If you like role-playing, then keep doing it. It's as simple as that, live and let live. 'Dont ask, dont tell'..... Tacky lens flares in sigs 4tw!
Sigurd Ross	Posted - 2006.07.18 02:00:00 - [42] For non-roleplayers who are rabidly afraid of roleplaying in any form, could someone display the link for "Progress Quest?" It's the perfect RPG for people too cool to roleplay or have any kind of immersive setting. You sort of sit back, and these numbers rise. Your stats improve and you gradually become more leet. No silly spaceships, no swords or sorcery, none of that "geek" stuff. You can play Progress Quest for an hour at a time and go back to hanggliding with your trophy wife, decked out in a bikini made of hundred dollar bills, landing your hangglider in a swimming pool full of beer because you are so DAMN successful and awesome and fantasy is for losers! ... Right?
Benefactor	Posted - 2006.07.18 03:35:00 - [43] I simply don't understand that "be safe" business when typical roleplayers part ways. How can you "be safe" in EVE and make any isk?
Padaxes Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.18 09:24:00 - [44] Quote: I was looking at reasons provided by the game mechanics, not by the players. Heck, for some folks, cybersex is the icing on the cake.... I would say the issue of enjoyment superscedes distinctions like that. We all want to have fun in the game. Throwing in a comparision with something like cybersex is just pointless. I am talking what is already provided , a rich background, history, races and a glorious looking envronement. I dont understand how anyone can play Eve and ignore the setting so pig headedly (not you specifically!).
Aodha Khan Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.18 11:03:00 - [45] Originally by: Benefactor How can you "be safe" in EVE and make any isk? Quite easily. So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak.
SengH Black Omega Security E.R.A	Posted - 2006.07.18 11:07:00 - [46] IMHO they should RP the release of new tech similar to the crilere (sp) event. Rather than just seeding them on the market and oh whoopdie doo right after DT its there......
Padaxes Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.18 11:08:00 - [47] Quote: IMHO they should RP the release of new tech similar to the crilere (sp) event. Rather than just seeding them on the market and oh whoopdie doo right after DT its there...... Agreed
Khaldorn Murino Kinda'Shujaa Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.07.18 11:09:00 - [48] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz RP is a way to make a plot when there is no plot. There is no need to create imaginary storyline in EVE when there is already so many interesting player driven storylines based on normal game play and mechanics. RP in EVE is kinda silly tbh. Dude. What you have just described is Roleplay. - Rise.
Sigurd Ross	Posted - 2006.07.18 12:20:00 - [49] How come many roleplayers often have to add so many extra words to what they say? Let me give an example: A greeting while ratting. Me: "Hey out there! Come here often?" RP'r: "I bid you greetings. I have traveled hereabouts, yes..." Dunno... while being in character is great and all, why are so many people pompous and pretentious while "in character?" Something tells me that in this setting, casual talk would be, if anything, more widespread than in the modern day, with faster-than light communications, direct neural connections to universal translators, and the like. My translator would probably filter a lot of RP-speak as -----snobbery----- between each relevant statement.
Khaldorn Murino Kinda'Shujaa Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.07.18 12:36:00 - [50] Even tho im not a very good roleplayer, I agree. Just take it that those people are playing pompous gits and your all good. At the end of the day, its just about immersion in the virtual world. You can guarantee that RPers dont talk in character in corp chats etc etc, its just another element on top of the game. People who find it fun elaborate on it. Its like.. when you watch a movie its alot more fun when your immersed in it eh? - Rise.
Nooey Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2006.07.18 12:55:00 - [51] Edited by: Nooey on 18/07/2006 12:56:38 Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri In essence, the only difference between a good RP combat corporation and any other quality PvP organisation is the reasons they chose to justify the styles of [and reasons for] combat they engage in. There are other trends across the board, but that is the one that defines a group as RP or not. (and is something people should remember when downplaying an RP groups effectiveness because they RP.) Quoted for truth. (And edited for total accuracy ) Edit: Also, as far as I'm aware, no RP group claims to speak for the Caldari State like you said Evelyn. At least, not any I've seen. ____
Nikolai Nuvolari Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.18 14:06:00 - [52] Originally by: Evelyn Lavi An example being the people who pretend to speak for the Caldari Nation, or take the inaction of an NPC group like the Serpentis as something more than just that, inaction. "Haha! Serpentis quakes in fear at my threat of their imminent annihilation!" That's not RP. That's being a moron. Oh, and it's the Caldari STATE. Originally by: Jim McGregor When you get killed, do you roleplay the hate mail? Its actually a serious question. Hatemail exists in real life, hence it's perfectly reasonable RP. Originally by: BobFromMarketing Originally by: Splagada Originally by: Gorion Wassenar Beef? Yes, because the world cup of soccer is definatly something thats really big in the EVE 'verse. The Amarr Soccer team got owned by that Gallente dude headbutting him in the face. sending the amarr dude orbiting away at 200 UAs CCP, we need 0-gravity soccer ! ok maybe not Zero grav soccer? Sounds pretty close to blitzball to me ^_^ Id watch it I think Calvinball would work great in zero-G. Originally by: Sigurd Ross RP'r: "I bid you greetings. I have traveled hereabouts, yes..." Again, not roleplay, just stupidity. I read a lot of complaints about RPers talking as if they're medieval poets or something, but I never actually see it...I think people just ASSUME that RPers do it because of other games where it's appropriate, and make up complaints based on this. ------------------ Originally by: kieron Buy ISK for RL cash here! Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Tachy	Posted - 2006.07.18 14:17:00 - [53] Originally by: Sigurd Ross [...]RP'r: "I bid you greetings. I have traveled hereabouts, yes..."[...] I guess (s)he plays someone who got hit over the head once to often ... --==*-- Even with nougat, you can have a perfect moment.
Novarei Ninth Column	Posted - 2006.07.18 14:23:00 - [54] mmmmmm beef. --------------------
Tehyarec	Posted - 2006.07.18 14:50:00 - [55] Originally by: Nooey Edit: Also, as far as I'm aware, no RP group claims to speak for the Caldari State like you said Evelyn. At least, not any I've seen. One person @ IGS does seem to do that, seen a couple of such posts by that person. Silverleaf Foundation Website & Shop
Benefactor	Posted - 2006.07.18 14:58:00 - [56] Hey, I was wondering if "smirks" is a valid little emote for roleplaying. First, we're sitting in capsules. Unless we mentally project emotes because we're THAT desperate to sound like our favorite cliche'd anime angsty antiheroes, it doesn't seem very likely I would be able to see anyone sitting in a vat of goo while they are smirking. Second... what the hell's with smirking? It's sort of saying "I'm not imaginative enough to respond to what you just said, so I'll just be smug and disdainful."

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