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Vanchelon
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.18 08:19:00 -
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I've been scouring the forums trying to find a good L4 dps/support setup for duoing L4s together with a raven(tanking). I've considered the Mega but its pretty skill heavy, cap and damage wise. Domi could be good but Im not sure I trust drones all that much in L4s :) I've considered a tempest with 6x1200s (raven would be doing most of the BS killing) or if I should fit it with large ACs. Same with a phoon, fitting it with ACs and some launchers. Im just having a hard time making up my mind here :) The raven will be the usual, 6 launchers(depending on the mission and how it goes) and probably 2 hvy nos to leech cap of me or the rats, LBS II, amp, 4 hardeners, 4 PDS and a BCU I. And lets be real, there are soooo many L4 raven setups out there so thats not an issue :P So any suggestions on how to best complement a raven in L4s? Im not including amarr due to skill and cap reasons but feel free to suggest mega/domi/tempest/phoon setups.
Regards, Vanchelon
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Gobberbogger
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Posted - 2006.07.18 08:32:00 -
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your raven and a second raven using torps.
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Vanchelon
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.18 08:44:00 -
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I suppose one could fit a raven with 6 arba heavies, a 425 or 350 and best named large cap transfer array. Then fit the other raven with either 4 torp/2 cruise or 6 torps. Been using a raven and brutix for L3s (cakewalk naturally) and 6 heavies did well there too when I tried it so oughta be enough.
Thats one setup I suppose.
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Kel Shek
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Posted - 2006.07.18 08:45:00 -
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I imagine a standard domi setup, and a remote armor rep on the raven to extra-uberize the domi tank, could be a pretty solid pair.
never tried it though.
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Chuey
The FOC
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Posted - 2006.07.18 08:51:00 -
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Vulture with Siege Warfare Links.
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Benglada
Mom 'n' Pop Ammo Shoppe Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.07.18 09:22:00 -
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hehe. 6x torp 2x heavy cap transfers//6x cap rechargers/5x cap relays
Would be nuts ---------------------------
Originally by: Wrangler Unfrtinately you dnot get to vote..
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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries
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Posted - 2006.07.18 10:27:00 -
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Why even bother with a second ship when you can easily solo them with a Raven anyway? --------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
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Vanchelon
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.18 10:59:00 -
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Edited by: Vanchelon on 18/07/2006 11:02:39 Edited by: Vanchelon on 18/07/2006 11:00:38 Well its 2 of my own accounts that I plan to run with, mostly cause its faster and neither have the uber skills to run em solo :)
Been doing some setups in quickfit to get a general idea and: Raven - Tank 6xXR heavy launchers 1xHeavy Knave NOS 1xTractor beam
Clarity ward XL booster Booster amp 4 hardeners
2 BCU I 3 PDS I -------------------- Raven-Support 3xArba siege 3xLimos cruise or 6xSiege Best named large cap transfer (61 cap per sec) 350mm compressed coil
1 LSB II (insurance) Invul field I (insurance) 4 16.5% cap rechargers
3 cap relays 2 BCU Is
Support setup gets about 60+ cap per sec at peak so I should be able to keep a steady supply to the XL booster on the tank. As for the tank and boosters, 2 LBS II with an amp is more effective, yes. But it only leaves 3 hardeners. 2 LBS II without amp is less effective then the best named XL booster.
So... constructive criticism? :)
Edit: About how much regen per sec do you need on the shield in hairy situations? Single LBS II (with amp) gives about 78, the XL ward about 156, with 70-80% res to the NPC damage. Maybe fit dual amps with the XL booster? yields 198 regen per sec and is as effective as dual LBS II with amp.
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Vanchelon
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.19 09:37:00 -
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I'll give it a bump to try and get some feedback on the last post :)
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Anpi
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.19 09:45:00 -
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back in the days(when I played actively) about 10 months ago) me and a friend did some level 4's in a similar way.
He had a Dominix and me in my Raven. I went in with torps, and full tank, while he had set up with a few guns, a few shield transfer arrays, an energy transfer and a few guns. The rest of the domi was pure cap recharge. We didn't have a single named mod(except perhaps a c-5 XL booster) and we did this on a budget. No problems whatsoever at any point during any mission...
It worked like a charm. I never had to boost except in a few messed up situations and he took out fighters and cruisers with a all the drones.
I later tried it with an extra account using a small cruiser to just feed me with cap. I could run the booster quite alot and could stand up to most of the hurt that came my way, but I couldn't just aggro the whole complex level anymore or they would break my tank ;)
In the end I gave it all up and used a tempest to snipe my way through level 4's, or my raven with a few better mods on to tank my way through the tight spots. It all worked out just fine in the end ;)
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HippoKing
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.19 09:46:00 -
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Another raven with support beams, torps and target painters.
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Vanchelon
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.19 09:55:00 -
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So you would agree that fitting the tank with 6 heavies is a good idea? The support ship could be fitted with a target painter or two to increase dmg vs smaller ships with its cruise/torps indeed. I'll keep fiddling around before I give it a go :) (still have to buy the 2nd raven)
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HippoKing
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.19 10:01:00 -
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Don't you EVER fit heavies on a raven Caracal does more damage. Also, as missiles don't use caps, there is no reason not to fit cruise at all: you easily have the grid.
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Lonetrekcheck
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Posted - 2006.07.19 10:24:00 -
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Edited by: Lonetrekcheck on 19/07/2006 10:25:12 Edited by: Lonetrekcheck on 19/07/2006 10:24:21 Think they will do good enough vs cruisers anyway then, dont have millions of SP in missile launchers yet :)
Edit: Goddamnit I hate that it has this alt as default poster :p Forget to change it sometimes... anyway its Vanchelon
Edit: so with 12 cruise launchers, will I need to bother getting torps? Or just a few, 2-4 launchers?
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Sonorra Baki
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Posted - 2006.07.19 10:49:00 -
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I would make the tank raven use torps.
The support raven I would set up with 6 Cruise Launchers, 2 Shield Trsfs
2x Sensor Boosters II - 4x Target Painter II
Cap Relays and maybe a LAR.
My logic is that with two boats, I would setup one to shred the large targets and one to shred the smalls. Not combine the jobs.
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Lauriers
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Posted - 2006.07.19 10:51:00 -
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don't forget shield repper drones
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Vanchelon
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.19 12:27:00 -
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Edited by: Vanchelon on 19/07/2006 12:31:21 my reasons for using a large cap transfer (61cap/s) instead of shield transporters is so that I can take advantage of the amplifier and skills on the tanking raven to make the most out of the energy I get. If I had a domi I would definately get a bunch of heavy shield repair drones but the dronebay on the raven is limited and I need all the hammerheads, T1 and T2, I can get my hands on I think :) The plan now anyway is to try the first mission with a MSB 2 and LSB 2 on the tank and see how much regen I need. I also sorted 2 of the best named painters to fit on the support raven to help with taking down cruisers and if I need to toss everything I have at a scrambling inty.
Edit: Im already having CPU problems on the tank raven so fitting 6 siege on it is out of the question :) will have to keep the siege on the support I think.
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Dupac
Corsets and Carebears Whips and Chains
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Posted - 2006.07.19 13:44:00 -
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Edited by: ****c on 19/07/2006 13:45:46 EDIT: doh - reading all the comments ftw - it's your other account - in which case - osprey osprey osprey. I'll leave the post as it was but ignore the bottom bit
Hmm - depends if the second ship is a second account or another player.
If it's a second account I did it very sucessfully with an osprey :) and shield transfers
No need of a massive tank on the raven - just some hardeners and an extender to absorb the initial impact - leaves a couple of mids free for target painters.
Tactics are to warp in the raven - take the aggro - warp in the support and start shield transfers (osprey range and cap bonus ofc).
Then completely ignore the support - fire up the target painters and go to town, no need for micro management of a second ship, the target painters mean you can wipe the cruisers pretty fast which makes up for no damage from the support. And no warp outs.
Before anyway says "the npcs target the support" - they don't if you do it right - I did this for about over a month running lvl 4s to raise isk and never lost a support ship.
If it's another player - then ignore everything above :) and I'd use a domi for remote transfers / repper drones (no range problems, unlike the remote transfers) / damage / light drones for the frigs / target painters, especially if you're using torps.
Alternatively send the domi in as a pure tank plus drones and send the raven in with torps and three target painters - boom!
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Vanchelon
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.19 14:15:00 -
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Ye its my other account. Ive considered the use of an osprey but my goal is to do more damage and thus complete the mission faster Micromanaging both accounts simultaneously hasn't proved difficult in the L3s Ive run with the two so far.
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Vanlade
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Posted - 2006.07.19 14:17:00 -
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Here's a secret Fit your raven with torpedoes,3 painters, 3 hardeners and ballistic control units. That will single volley cruisers with some skills.
Now for your support Battleship you want something with low skill requirement, so use a dominix or an armageddon with lots of capacitor power relay, and 3 large shield transfert to maintain the raven tank.
Done correctly, you can 'solo' level 4 angel extravaganza in 40 minutes.
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Dupac
Corsets and Carebears Whips and Chains
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Posted - 2006.07.19 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Vanchelon Ye its my other account. Ive considered the use of an osprey but my goal is to do more damage and thus complete the mission faster Micromanaging both accounts simultaneously hasn't proved difficult in the L3s Ive run with the two so far.
well - I tried it with a support domi and a support apoc for trnsfers / drone support and the biggest problem was keeping in the range of the support ship. Especially if you warp in first to aggro - getting support warped in and in range quick enough was a pain sometimes.
I just found the osprey to be much easier in practice as even medium transfers go to 30 something km. You can use the torps and painters setup on the raven for extra damage on cruiser sized ships.
Whatever works for you tho
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R Dan
Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.07.19 14:39:00 -
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Edited by: R Dan on 19/07/2006 14:39:37 Forums ate my post! nm I'll try and rewrite it:
When the need to mission ***** overcomes me and a corp mate we use: Me: Raven -TANK High: Torps + traccie beam Mid: T2XL booster with amp and hardeners Low: PDU2s
Its a tight fit though i think. so feel free not to use the T2 stuf and it becomes easier, though not as menacing. The PDU's though arnt there because I'm low on grid, its for the increase shield + cap (ie tank) ...and because not alot else fits there.
Zealot - GANK Highs: Guns, pulse or beam Mids: AB + web Lows: plate + armour rep + Damage mods
I tank stuff in the raven. and also pop the big things with the torps. Zealot kills cruisers dead fast, and most frigates too, especially when flying straight for us.
Ravens drones mop the remaining ships up pretty quick fter that too.
Now I know its quite a pricey tag team (both isk and skill wise)...and both could probably solo L4s alone...but this really does storm through them. And the traccie beam + the relative speed of the zealot make looting much faster too.
When I soloed L4's in a raven (not often) the looting and cruiser + frigate killing takes the longest. so I'd say as the secondary ship take:
1) A damage medic: something thats going to boost that tank nicely but also packs a punch. dominix or apoc or something perhaps.
2) An Anti cruiser/frigate ship: Something that means you can safely use torps and know the lil things arnt going to cause headahces. Cerberus/caracal maybe?
hmmm, I wrote it better the first time, but nm
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eLLioTT wave
Art of War Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.07.19 14:59:00 -
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Sigil with 2 tractor beams, rack of nano's and 10mn AB.
Best support you will get for L4 tbh ;)
Honestly all L4's ive seen post patch have been uber nerfed to what L3s used to be just about - its sad. Raven easily solo them so save time with aloot ship if u must :p
the real isk is in low sec missions / 0.0 plex/ratting/mining
risk vs reward ftw
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Nadia Kerensky
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Posted - 2006.07.19 15:02:00 -
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My old roommate and i blasted through lvl4s with me in a raven and him in a domi.
He would have his domi kitted out for tanking. (not sure of the specifics but i know it was heavy on T2 gear, and no faction/officer loot) Also he would have 1 small laser fitted to pull agg. Bad things happen when you agg with drones.
This would allow me to fit my raven for pure ganking power Hi: 6xSeige2s Med: SensorBoosters, target painters, ab Low: 4x T2 Ballistic Controls 1x Damage control (just in case)
hope this helps
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Sniper FC
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.19 15:13:00 -
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well u have 2 options really, u could go logistics ship, boost sheilds so much u would hard;y need to touch ur personal booster (borin tho)
2nd would be a hac, I would say a Deimos with blasters, you would rip apart any frigs/cruisers while the raven pumuled the bs's, also the bonus of this is the scram frigs get taken out first so the chances of being stuck in a mission are low. hope it helps ----------------------------------------------- Want to join a fun corp that do most things in eve Join "suicidal" channel and have a chat |
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