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Otuk Andven Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 16	Posted - 2014.08.15 20:28:00 - [1] - Quote I'm in a bit of a funk at present. I find pvp interesting even though I'm terrible at it but I find myself doing it less and less. Why? Because its such a hassle to do. I'm in a null sec coalition so generally you have to wait to ops (at times that aren't very convenient to you) travel over 50 jumps and deal with jump clone timers. Bankrupt yourself getting a useable ship for the fleet (often tweaking official doctrines to because you don't have t2 guns) then wait for 5 minutes before moving off, only to die in 15 minutes and get podded back those 50 jumps without getting on any KMs. I mean when there is a neut in the pocket I'm ready and willing to jump into a HD ship and take them on but if its an op my general reaction is do I have to? Because I have to go though all of that while I could be doing something productive in the same time. Or at the very least checking my PI. Does anyone else find themselves in the same situation?
Wacktopia Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group 672	Posted - 2014.08.15 20:31:00 - [2] - Quote EVE had all sorts of different groups, playing all kinds of PVP. A change is as good as the rest... Kitchen sink? Seriousy, get your ship together - -áFleet-Up.com
Collie Buddz 0ne Percent. Odin's Call 36	Posted - 2014.08.15 20:31:00 - [3] - Quote Nope, that sounds like an awful way to play Eve to me. To each their own.
Paranoid Loyd 1432	Posted - 2014.08.15 20:32:00 - [4] - Quote Make alt, go do FW, stay on comms with your corp in case something interesting happens. "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite
Summer Isle Autumn Industrial Enterprises 47	Posted - 2014.08.15 20:33:00 - [5] - Quote Look to lowsec. Lowsec is love. Lowsec is life. Also, FW and WH are pretty solid. Nulsec is dulsec if you aren't a PvE-oriented renter or in Catch. Maybe NPC nulsec.
Clyde ElectraGlide Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 116	Posted - 2014.08.15 20:37:00 - [6] - Quote The way you're describing nullsec coalition PVP makes it seem like you're not having a lot of fun doing it. Why not just leave them and join something where you would find more fun PVP opportunities, like FW, pirating, or living in NPC nullsec? You shouldn't have to sacrifice fun for ISK generation. In Need of a New Signature
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 7682	Posted - 2014.08.15 20:37:00 - [7] - Quote Otuk Andven wrote: I'm in a bit of a funk at present. I find pvp interesting even though I'm terrible at it but I find myself doing it less and less. Why? Because its such a hassle to do. I'm in a null sec coalition so generally you have to wait to ops (at times that aren't very convenient to you) travel over 50 jumps and deal with jump clone timers. Bankrupt yourself getting a useable ship for the fleet (often tweaking official doctrines to because you don't have t2 guns) then wait for 5 minutes before moving off, only to die in 15 minutes and get podded back those 50 jumps without getting on any KMs. I mean when there is a neut in the pocket I'm ready and willing to jump into a HD ship and take them on but if its an op my general reaction is do I have to? Because I have to go though all of that while I could be doing something productive in the same time. Or at the very least checking my PI. Does anyone else find themselves in the same situation? Yes there are. Being in the situation most likely means you either weren't properly prepared to live in null (living in null is like being a Pre-Marian Roman soldier, you need to own some land and have some money before you enlist lol) or (maybe and) it means your allaince is crappy at taking care of it's members. A null corp/allaince is supposed to help it's people live and fight in null, if it doesn't, time to move on. It also sounds like fleet fights aren't you thing but you like small gang, a low sec pirate alliance or faction warfare would probably make you a lot happier. Me, while I'm not a super dedicated pvp type, i like fleet fights and despite my bad luck (why oh WHY did I make a pvp main with a name that starts with a C, also screw enemy FCs why use the alphabet for target calling) I keep coming back. I should get "F1 Monkey" tattoo'd on my left ass cheek or something. EDIT: Protip for the OP, when the 1st 5 replies say the same thing, that means you probably should spent more time thinking about your problem before posting about it as you might have figured it out yourself
DaReaper Net 7 The Last Brigade 829	Posted - 2014.08.15 20:39:00 - [8] - Quote as stated it sounds like you need a change of scenery. In a room full of dumb blondes, EvE is the smart red head on the other side of the room.-á Lots of men like dumb blondes, and not everyone will like the smart red head, but she doesn;t need to change to be a dumb blonde.-á She is perfect how she is.-á Thats EvE vs other mmo's.-á You either like the red head, or you don't.
Eternus8lux8lucis Journies End 256	Posted - 2014.08.15 20:44:00 - [9] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: Make alt, go do FW, stay on comms with your corp in case something interesting happens. I liked it cuz its true. This a million times over. Can be done with FW, incursions, L4s, hell even mining. Strength isnt measured in numbers but in force of will. For if one motived willful individual stands many will fall around him that are weak. http://tinyurl.com/YarrFace
Arla Sarain 64	Posted - 2014.08.15 20:48:00 - [10] - Quote FW isn't much different. Except instead of 50j you fly less. But the procedure is the same. Roam around to find a fight that you hope won't end up in you getting blobbed. On the plus side, you don't get podded as often. On the minus side, you now need to go back those odd 10j in a pod.

Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 3912	Posted - 2014.08.15 21:05:00 - [11] - Quote try this =][=
Otuk Andven Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 16	Posted - 2014.08.15 21:07:00 - [12] - Quote Clyde ElectraGlide wrote: join something where you would find more fun PVP opportunities, like FW, pirating, or living in NPC nullsec? You shouldn't have to sacrifice fun for ISK generation. you know what's worse? I don't think I've ever experienced any real fun from pvp. Perhaps its the fact I generally lose it and end up wasting money or a lack of a big kick but it has never really clicked with me. I really want to do combat sites but I can never get a ship that can do them or someone runs it faster than me. Arla Sarain wrote: FW isn't much different. Except instead of 50j you fly less. But the procedure is the same. Roam around to find a fight that you hope won't end up in you getting blobbed. On the plus side, you don't get podded as often. On the minus side, you now need to go back those odd 10j in a pod. its better than 70 jumps to get back into the action. And no bubbles, I hate bubbles.
Gallowmere Rorschach Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation 703	Posted - 2014.08.15 21:30:00 - [13] - Quote The more I live in null, the more I realize how terrible this game is, at it's core. That being said, I will likely never leave null again. Eve itself just does nothing for me. It's the people I fly with that keep me enjoying it all. I spend far more time on forums, and Jabber than I do actually playing Eve when I am logged in. If you aren't having fun in null, it's probably because you are either in an alliance that's full of shitlords, or you are just looking for something very different than myself. 50/50, flip a coin.
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 5325	Posted - 2014.08.15 21:36:00 - [14] - Quote Otuk Andven wrote: I'm in a bit of a funk at present. I find pvp interesting even though I'm terrible at it but I find myself doing it less and less. Why? Because its such a hassle to do. I'm in a null sec coalition so generally you have to wait to ops (at times that aren't very convenient to you) travel over 50 jumps and deal with jump clone timers. Bankrupt yourself getting a useable ship for the fleet (often tweaking official doctrines to because you don't have t2 guns) then wait for 5 minutes before moving off, only to die in 15 minutes and get podded back those 50 jumps without getting on any KMs. I mean when there is a neut in the pocket I'm ready and willing to jump into a HD ship and take them on but if its an op my general reaction is do I have to? Because I have to go though all of that while I could be doing something productive in the same time. Or at the very least checking my PI. Does anyone else find themselves in the same situation? Sounds like you are in an alliance with crap tactics, a "throw ships into a meat grinder" approach and then expect you to pay for your own ships. Leave them. There are better organizations out there. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Schmata Bastanold Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 2624	Posted - 2014.08.15 21:36:00 - [15] - Quote Otuk Andven wrote: you know what's worse? I don't think I've ever experienced any real fun from pvp. Perhaps its the fact I generally lose it and end up wasting money or a lack of a big kick but it has never really clicked with me. I really want to do combat sites but I can never get a ship that can do them or someone runs it faster than me. So you don't like what you do now and you know what you want to do. Where's dilemma in all this? Last time I checked "leave corp" button was accessible to everybody. Invalid signature format
Inxentas Ultramar Ultramar Independent Contracting 1434	Posted - 2014.08.15 22:20:00 - [16] - Quote Yeah, leave that predicament you are in right now and take it out on people in lowsec, we welcome your anger. You are not getting kills and this is frustrating. We have all been there while learning the ropes. If the group you play with sets you up for dissapointment, leave. If the environmental factors bother you, change the scenery. I for one started solo with PVP and that was hard, but very satisfying because I did it on my own, with a wiki and my heard-earned ISK as only mentors. The patch of land Jenn mentioned can be compared to your experience in PVP. If you have some, it will be easier to discern if a group does the kind of PVP you'd like. I don't like huge coalition stuff either, but sometimes I get asked to FC for a bigger lowsec group which I find a decent challenge and a lot of fun, although it is very draining at times... so moderation is key. Apart from those occasions I prefer small gangs, and even solo roams as long as there's someone to talk to on TS and share KM's with. Just chillin', shooting at some bad guys. Or good guys. Or everybody.
Serene Repose 1509	Posted - 2014.08.15 23:20:00 - [17] - Quote Yeah, it shocks and amazes "some" people (though far from "all" people.) Not everybody enjoys fighting as a "game." EVE, or "games" are supposed to be fun, so doing something that's not fun to you...need a map? What's funny is, the some people who are shocked and amazed by this insist their point of view is the only one, and if you're not fighting to have your fun you can't possibly be having fun. (Ironically, what's considered the MOST fun thing to do involves not fighting as well...but that's another website.) Then, I've been involved in organized competition most of my life (one reason I find fighting in video games rather dull and inconsequential) and having done so don't feel compelled to clash with pixels. I guess the real fact no actual blood is being spilt takes all the possibility of fun out of it for me. "It's just pixels. It's not real." I had a stint with chess for about 14 years. We're sitting at this table staring at this board with pieces...if someone said, "Those pieces aren't really real so nothing is actually being LOST here..." Well. "Some" of us can see how ridiculous that would sound. Believe it or not, some people might find EVE just isn't any fun. Go figure. Are they "supposed" to? I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance 5903	Posted - 2014.08.15 23:28:00 - [18] - Quote There is a reason I refuse to join any 0.0 corp. Between the hassle of logistics to draconian directives from the leadership, it just does not suit me. Drunken low-sec Leeroying is much more my style. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. "How did you veterans start?"
Angeal MacNova LankTech Masters of Flying Objects 161	Posted - 2014.08.15 23:33:00 - [19] - Quote Serene Repose wrote: "Hurry up and wait" achieves new meaning with EVE, probably because the "people in charge" just purely suck at organization. Also, your "team mates" don't generally understand what being a team mate means. You just summed up life in the military.
Crumplecorn Eve Cluster Explorations 1015	Posted - 2014.08.15 23:57:00 - [20] - Quote To echo the above posts, if you want pick-up-and-play PvP in EVE, FW supplies it to a degree that I wouldn't believe was possible had I not done it myself. Just fit something frigate-sized, fly around a bit, and you'll find fights. At least it was that way 6 months ago. [witty image]

Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 5327	Posted - 2014.08.16 02:13:00 - [21] - Quote Angeal MacNova wrote: Serene Repose wrote: "Hurry up and wait" achieves new meaning with EVE, probably because the "people in charge" just purely suck at organization. Also, your "team mates" don't generally understand what being a team mate means. You just summed up life in the military. Absolute boredom punctuated by total madness Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Netan MalDoran xXTheWarhammerXx 77	Posted - 2014.08.16 16:06:00 - [22] - Quote I was in the same position as you a month ago... I was in the CFC alliance in null but most of the time I was logging in to run ops, I was losing ISK cause I didn't have time to make cash and do the required stuff, plus I don't have that much time to dedicate to the game. So, I left and went into FW space but (So far) didn't join FW, I build my own PvP ships and go solo PvP for fun, and do explo for ISK. An idea if you don't like 100% solo if finding a small PvP corp in lowsec and just have casual fun! "Your security status has been lowered." - Hell yeah it was!
Colten Tokila Blitzkrieg. Get Off My Lawn 4	Posted - 2014.08.16 17:43:00 - [23] - Quote https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=361308 That post is pretty much the same type of troll post this actually is ,but did it much much better
Qalix Four Pillars Brothers of Tangra 299	Posted - 2014.08.16 17:45:00 - [24] - Quote Everything about EVE is basically a hassle. Where you been?
Verlyn Sisters of Xambu 25	Posted - 2014.08.16 18:19:00 - [25] - Quote Otuk Andven wrote: I'm in a bit of a funk at present. I find pvp interesting even though I'm terrible at it but I find myself doing it less and less. Why? Because its such a hassle to do. I'm in a null sec coalition so generally you have to wait to ops (at times that aren't very convenient to you) travel over 50 jumps and deal with jump clone timers. Bankrupt yourself getting a useable ship for the fleet (often tweaking official doctrines to because you don't have t2 guns) then wait for 5 minutes before moving off, only to die in 15 minutes and get podded back those 50 jumps without getting on any KMs. I mean when there is a neut in the pocket I'm ready and willing to jump into a HD ship and take them on but if its an op my general reaction is do I have to? Because I have to go though all of that while I could be doing something productive in the same time. Or at the very least checking my PI. Does anyone else find themselves in the same situation? Like the others said before me, you can always make an alt and then join my small and casual corp that lives out in FW space, we're not affiliated so we get more targets, it's fun. PM me or make a post in the recruitment thread. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=366531&find=unread And that goes for anyone else interested in this kind of corp.
Rabe Raptor The Conference Elite CODE. 10	Posted - 2014.08.16 19:10:00 - [26] - Quote Pick up a catalyst and follow us. We PvP all day every day and have a great time. Together we can make Highsec a better place! The Law of Highsec Read it, share it, learn it, quote it, live it!
Othran Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 728	Posted - 2014.08.16 19:17:00 - [27] - Quote I'm no expert by any means but I go back a fair bit on characters other than this one. Sov warfare - and by this I mean the whole sov environment - is primarily about isk. Its generally not a good environment (IME) for people who want to undock & have some PvP fun. OP needs to have a rethink - there are other ways to have PvP fun. Edit - oh & I hear you about single neutrals paralysing the whole place when a "FC" isn't on. I remember that only too well - dock up dock up the sky is falling :D Even if you did go kill the neut you caught crap for it from probably your own CEO and whoever else figured they were in charge at the time. Anyway there are other options....
J'Poll CDG Playgrounds 4371	Posted - 2014.08.16 19:30:00 - [28] - Quote 3 words: NPSI public fleets Nuff said. Personal channel: *Crazy Dutch Guy* Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road
Samwise Everquest Because ISK 53	Posted - 2014.08.17 00:46:00 - [29] - Quote Didn't read most of the thread but in my opinion if you want PvP, goto LowSec. Specifically the FW systems. You don't even have to enlist to join in on the fun. When I lived in Lowsec, there was always a fight a jump or two away if you are willing to fly ships people will/want to fight.
Tweek Etimua The Paragons 64	Posted - 2014.08.17 05:26:00 - [30] - Quote Wacktopia wrote: EVE had all sorts of different groups, playing all kinds of PVP. A change is as good as the rest... If you have a steady income RvB isnt bad. Depending on the side you join Faction warfare is decent.



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