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DANGEROUS Fate. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.07.19 13:02:00 - [61] TELL ME THE NAMES FRANKY
DANGEROUS Fate. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.07.19 13:03:00 - [62] Originally by: TekkyHead What is the shield recharge rate on a pod? ROFL - hello mate - - - what are teh names Tekky??
Zimi Vlasic F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2006.07.19 13:05:00 - [63] hi dangerous
Franky B Mentally Unstable Enterprises	Posted - 2006.07.19 13:09:00 - [64] hey if they want it to be known, they can just say so :P I like em, ambitious to say the least :D
DANGEROUS Fate. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.07.19 13:11:00 - [65] jesus guys this isnt MSN Lo to all - - stop posting -p - else we will get 'cleansed' - - the topic is DEK and the general well being of teh north. who are the people 'playing' all of the allainces? The north is FAR bigger than 1 or 2 individuals - thousands of players spend thousnands of hrs in or out of conflict - and if it really is such a smal number of people then lets acknowledge taht and 'out' them so they may be asked to account for their actions!!! i would love to know who they are.
DANGEROUS Fate. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.07.19 13:12:00 - [66] Originally by: Franky B hey if they want it to be known, they can just say so :P I like em, ambitious to say the least :D lame franky and if u respect the turmaoil that has been dek - then i evaluated u incorrectly
Franky B Mentally Unstable Enterprises	Posted - 2006.07.19 13:15:00 - [67] well Im dying to say of course. but at the same time, i do respect these players (regardless of the turmoil) enough to only name them if they so wish to be named.
Joerd Toastius	Posted - 2006.07.19 13:17:00 - [68] Originally by: Cringeley Originally by: Joerd Toastius I'd also point out that having a "right" to go to war with say NFC is inherent in the fact that the game mechanics allowed them to set NFC to -10 and employ an NBSI policy. End of discussion, no scope for wiggle room. The concept of "rights" in Eve is an entirely daft one - you have the right to do anything that the game lets you, exploits excluded. That's true in a sense, but that's not really the issue when you're considering whether to help one friend against another. If one of your friends attacks another friend without a good reason then you shouldn't be friends with the aggressor anymore. That's where the issue of rights crops up. Of course from a purely objective standpoint there is no such thing as a "natural right" in Eve. Anyway I've gone way way off topic, sorry for that. I'll look into the history some more. What you're talking about is not rights, it's the subjective question of value judgement, and it is subjective. Thus for example your black-and-white "if X happens, you should do Y" outlook, while at odds with the way Eve politics almost always works (entirely understandable if this is your first account given its age), isn't "wrong" in any immediately obvious sense.
DANGEROUS Fate. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.07.19 13:25:00 - [69] GGGRRRR - i am gonna pod ur ass franky -p ))
FireFoxx80 Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.19 13:29:00 - [70] Originally by: Franky B I think the breakup of iron was the pilot light extinguised from deklein and the following months was the gas slowly leaking into each rusty joint of friendship (oh the poetry) You've hit the nail on the head. If Deklein managed to have one or two alliances which held tightly onto the region and didn't bicker, I doubt IRON would be there now - even if we wanted to take the region by force.
Renfus	Posted - 2006.07.19 14:41:00 - [71] Edited by: Renfus on 19/07/2006 14:42:42 I Loved living in Dek.. I have alot of respect for everyone out there. I have made alot of friends in & around Dek also... It is a shame we ended up fighting over a lil part of space.. for what ever reason it may have been.... I'm not gonna go into the politics part of the wars because it gives me a headache... Speaking as a member of GTU it sucks to fight against former allies & friends.. Literally, we were all flying together defending Dek one day and fighting each other the next... It just didn't seem right.. it was fun though :P I just want to say farewell to the people of NFC, IRON, FLA, SPARTA, D2 and the rest of the Residents of Deklein...I would fly with any one of you... And maybe i will again someday... We had some great times out there... My opinion.... Don't feel sorry for us... feel sorry for those that lost us.. GTU is a great corp. Economically stable thanks to A few really good miners / industrial members.. Along with a great group of dedicated / skilled pvpr's that give all they have to defend their home, friends & allies... This corp is very well rounded and definitly one of the best out there... We have a good future ahead of us... where ever it may be.... Always look forward, never back..
the MoP Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.19 14:49:00 - [72] nice post, dangerous respect
Kryztal Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.19 14:51:00 - [73] Sad to see GTU having problems up north, old friends <3 BobÖ Brand Bleach - Eliminates Every Stain
Laboratus Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.19 14:52:00 - [74] What has happened in Dek is truly a tragedy. A lot of corps have shared the fate of GTU and moved out. A lot of friends have left Deklein for greener pastures. You know who you are. You are very much missed here. This has been an era of fire. A time of conflict and strife. A war of Brothers. I do belive this has not been easy for anyone. And my sincere hope is, we can overcome the obstacles and challenges the future brings us, in a more unified, united and peacefull Deklein. I have a vision of truth, prosperity and peace in the future of this region. And I hope you will share it with me. -Lab These are my opinions and mine alone. I do not represent my corp or alliance. Mind control and tin hats
Imran E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.07.19 15:20:00 - [75] I read the first page and my head hurts. Just wanted to say iwin@evelawl. ps. dangernoob! ;D EwokPoacher: Why hate Gallente? Blackest Sheep: Because we are beautiful
DjDangle Euphoria Released Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.07.19 15:23:00 - [76] My eyes are bleeding
Berrik Radhok GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.19 15:44:00 - [77] Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: Bitter Vet D2 is just reminding all the other slave corps what happens when you get uppity and want your own space The upper level goon alts are so cute nowadays. Bitter vet isn't associated with us, he's either someone in Lordless/Helvectia Scenario or someone who got kicked out and would prefer to get revenge on the boards rather than ingame Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content - Cortes
BuSHiDo ZiN GoonWaffe GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.19 15:55:00 - [78] Originally by: FireFoxx80 Originally by: Box Fresh IRON scum, i read your posts and i makes me so angry. You will get what you deserve, because either people dont trust you or those that do, will be exploited by you at some point, you may think that sparta made lots of enemies, but everyone knows there actions were to support their most loyal freinds the former NFC, IRON's actions, and i'm talking about before the goon nap, were atrocious(sp?) Can we all agree that the begining had nothing to do with breach of treaties now, and accepting that, explain your original actions IRON, oh wait you never will(prove me wrong). All i expect in reply to this is flames about alts, bla bla bla because thats you best way to avoid the truth. You allies in the north only engaged on your side because of a fear of the mighty overlord. The day will come when IRON are booted from dek for good, and i dont expect much sympathy from fellow northern residents. ROFL. You make these big bold claims, yet you hide behind an alt to do it? Yes, you really do look better than us. [15:48:37] FotoFlame > but if these towers dont come down when we say then its war [15:49:13] Jacor Takor > we don't intend on offering them rfy anymore... not with warped mining having joined them [15:49:19] FotoFlame > when were the mc looking to operational? [15:49:27] FotoFlame > to go* [15:49:35] Jacor Takor > wednesday, support fleet goes hot. friday, capitol ship fleet goes hot. [15:49:46] FotoFlame > rgr that [15:49:51] FotoFlame > as for warped mining [15:49:54] FotoFlame > i wouldn't worry man [15:50:12] FotoFlame > once you have s-b and we have ju/vfk then its official [15:50:26] FotoFlame > if they try to rush either of us then iron/fla/d2 will fk them up [15:50:52] Jacor Takor > fla council still has serious concerns with david hope and avril dewar... and i'm in agreement with them. [15:51:05] Jacor Takor > but it doesn't seem like that will matter anyhow if this turns to fighting [15:51:16] Jacor Takor > so d2 will side with us? [15:51:29] FotoFlame > i agree, but lets face it, avril and david are noobs that had no idea what they were getting into [15:52:03] FotoFlame > now they've had their alliance destroyed right in front of them they would be stupid to try again [15:52:15] FotoFlame > sparta need to give us a real reason to remove them [15:52:33] FotoFlame > and that will be when they get ju/vfk sovereignty
whatchatalkingboutwillis	Posted - 2006.07.19 16:43:00 - [79] Edited by: whatchatalkingboutwillis on 19/07/2006 16:43:37 Originally by: BuSHiDo ZiN [15:52:15] FotoFlame > sparta need to give us a real reason to remove them erm that doesn't prove IRON were plotting anything. actually quite the opposite, it looks as if Foto was trying to convince FLA not to engage sparta. go away foolish goon
Calenth Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.19 16:48:00 - [80] Originally by: whatchatalkingboutwillis Edited by: whatchatalkingboutwillis on 19/07/2006 16:43:37 Originally by: BuSHiDo ZiN [15:52:15] FotoFlame > sparta need to give us a real reason to remove them erm that doesn't prove IRON were plotting anything. actually quite the opposite, it looks as if Foto was trying to convince FLA not to engage sparta. To me, it reads pretty clearly that IRON was looking for a pretext to push Sparta out, and was happy to latch onto anything that would provide such a pretext rather than lead to a diplomatic solution.
whatchatalkingboutwillis	Posted - 2006.07.19 16:52:00 - [81] Edited by: whatchatalkingboutwillis on 19/07/2006 16:53:36 Originally by: Calenth Originally by: whatchatalkingboutwillis Edited by: whatchatalkingboutwillis on 19/07/2006 16:43:37 Originally by: BuSHiDo ZiN [15:52:15] FotoFlame > sparta need to give us a real reason to remove them erm that doesn't prove IRON were plotting anything. actually quite the opposite, it looks as if Foto was trying to convince FLA not to engage sparta. To me, it reads pretty clearly that IRON was looking for a pretext to push Sparta out, and was happy to latch onto anything that would provide such a pretext rather than lead to a diplomatic solution. at the time sparta had merged with the NFC, forcefully claimed vfk and ju station and told IRON to fk off. that was more than enough reason for Sparta to be pushed out. all this log shows is that Foto was willing to give them a chance to pull the towers down before things got serious. you really don't have a clue do you?
Calenth Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.19 17:01:00 - [82] Edited by: Calenth on 19/07/2006 17:01:21 Originally by: whatchatalkingboutwillis at the time sparta had merged with the NFC, forcefully claimed vfk and ju station and told IRON to f*k off. that was more than enough reason for Sparta to be pushed out. all this log shows is that Foto was willing to give them a chance to pull the towers down before things got serious. you really don't have a clue do you? Eh, I have enough of a clue to not bother to bicker further with an alt when the chat logs speak for themselves.
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2006.07.19 17:10:00 - [83] Originally by: Calenth Originally by: whatchatalkingboutwillis Edited by: whatchatalkingboutwillis on 19/07/2006 16:43:37 Originally by: BuSHiDo ZiN [15:52:15] FotoFlame > sparta need to give us a real reason to remove them erm that doesn't prove IRON were plotting anything. actually quite the opposite, it looks as if Foto was trying to convince FLA not to engage sparta. To me, it reads pretty clearly that IRON was looking for a pretext to push Sparta out, and was happy to latch onto anything that would provide such a pretext rather than lead to a diplomatic solution. Surely, given the recent Goonswarm accusations taken "out of context" from the leaked private forum thread, you could give them the benefit of the doubt. After all, Spatra did gain sovereignity over those systems, it was pretty clear what would happen when that happened. P.S. Dangernoob, I know who it is.
O'Sirius Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.19 17:15:00 - [84] Its amusing to hear all these lectures from Goons about agression. Which one of us is currently invading D2 territory?
Calenth Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.19 17:21:00 - [85] Originally by: O'Sirius Its amusing to hear all these lectures from Goons about agression. Which one of us is currently invading D2 territory? Nobody? D2 had abandoned Sovereignity of Cloud Ring when we moved in :P
O'Sirius Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.19 17:31:00 - [86] Originally by: Calenth Originally by: O'Sirius Its amusing to hear all these lectures from Goons about agression. Which one of us is currently invading D2 territory? Nobody? D2 had abandoned Sovereignity of Cloud Ring when we moved in :P Sounds like we just have different mentalities then. You seem to think that once an alliance moves out of a region is automatically free for grabs and that alliance no longer has any rights to it. While we think the alliance that gives a region to another deserves respect from the recieving alliance. And NFC showed us disrespect instead. Their leadership's greed was their folly, sure it was easy to make demands of us while were were far away; but then we came back and taught those thankless bastards who deserved the region more.
Toffles	Posted - 2006.07.19 17:53:00 - [87] Originally by: O'Sirius Its amusing to hear all these lectures from Goons about agression. Which one of us is currently invading D2 territory? Goons don't look down on random aggression, we attacked norad, unprovoked, afterall. We just want others to admit it when they do the same.
Cefte GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.07.19 18:08:00 - [88] Edited by: Cefte on 19/07/2006 18:08:18 Originally by: O'Sirius Its amusing to hear all these lectures from Goons about agression. Which one of us is currently invading D2 territory? Originally by: Shimpu Hello Mister Alt. I'm so sorry you don't believe us. If you had any clue or intel about D2 you would know that we intended to give away XZH for several weeks now. STV and FSP left D2 because they wanted to stay in XZH. Go STV, bite them! So, yeah. Linkage
Darko1107 Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.19 18:14:00 - [89] You loved my phonecall dangerous, you even put on a little woman voice at 1 point trying to pretend your had a bird in your bed. ------------------ Sig removed, please keep it under the 24,000 byte limit, if you have any questions please email [email protected] - Xorus
BlackDog Rackh'am Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.19 18:17:00 - [90] First of all, i'm not the one with old ties to Deklein since my corp was a later addition to D2, but i realise and respect the general feeling of the ex-G guys on the matter. There is a lot going on in regards to what happened and also regarding the future of Deklein, and the people involved are trying their best to to be fair once the dust settles. If the general conscensus between D2/Iron and allies is that a certain corp has earned their stay in Deklein, i'm sure they will be invited back. As for the Goonfleet crusade, guys you make my head hurt. As one of your members said one time "we are playing a game about internet spaceships,that's all" so there's no need for all this "justify this and that" lawyer stuff But even if you want me to restrict my perception of events to strictly ingame boundaries, even then we don't have to justify anything to a group that's opposing us and just tries to drive a wedge between us and our supporters in every possible opportunity. However, it's been a long time since i've written one of my essays so here goes (you asked for it, now read it ) You said Iron was staging dreads in our stations. All of the blue guys can dock in our stations, Sparta could as well when they were still blue, big deal. The fact that Iron could stage dreads and Sparta couldn't is not because we were taking sides. It's because a) Sparta probably didn't have enough dreads and b)they later napped a known enemy of D2 and lost their docking rights. Conclusion number one: If you want to reinvent the wheel at least make sure it's the correct shape, you'll be somehow believable. You said we didn't help when our friends started fighting. You also have the nerve to point out in favor of which one we should have intervened, all the while being on the outside and basing all this on assumptions. Well Sherlock, if we were to intervene in favor of one party or the other, how does one go about choosing between friends? In such a situation the right thing to do is to just try and force a ceasefire and make them talk things over, you don't dive in punching left and right yourself. However, all of that is now a moot point. Sparta leadership made our choice really simple when they allied with a hostile group in the middle of an ongoing war. A lot of people in Sparta didn't agree with that, they didn't want to be allied with GS, they didn't want to fight D2 and that's why we saw all these corps leaving. So, contrary to popular belief, there were different opinions between leaders and grunts in Sparta. Conclusion number two: Just because you had a +ve with Sparta doesn't make you supreme commander in the know of all things deklein. The fact that we get so much flak from our enemies can only mean two things. First, that it was a job well done as far as D2 and allies goes. We didn't completely annihilate anything, those who wanted out were offered safe passage out of Deklein and i have reason to believe some of them will be accepted back as residents sooner or later. Second, after all the rhetoric by our enemies about backing up Sparta, contrasted with their eventual collapse in a mere 5 days' time, i'm sure some people will be eager to do some damage control and draw the public eye to "the plight of those poor people that D2 abandoned" and away from the two-pronged fork that's bitting on their behinds: That these guys collapsed either because a) they didn't receive adequate support from GS or b) they didn't want to be involved with GS against D2, in spite of what their leadership decided, so they left the alliance in droves. All the support in the world wouldn't mean a thing if they just wanted to hug and make up with their old friends. Short version, you either dragged them in a war and left them alone to die, or you went out of your way to gain a new ally that didn't really like you in the first place, managing to separate the chaff from the weed for your enemy and solidifying their front.

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