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Lechap
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.19 07:11:00 -
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hi
eveTV has been awesome so far but gambling on individual matches isn't being offered and i want to bet on the most interesting match on next friday
IAC vs KAOS
KAOS were in second place last time and the people in third place are on IAC's team now
I think KAOS are going to win that fight and i'm willing to put my money where my mouth is
so any takers ?
I'll match any bets 1 for 1 until I run out of ISK (2 billion)
post here if you're up for it and how much you'll bet
we'll send all the ISK to a neutral party to hold it for us if any are willing, Omber Zombie or TornSoul maybe ?
If i win i'll bet on the matches on saturday and sunday too 
thanks
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Lechap
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.19 07:12:00 -
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ps i'm not an alt, i was in thundercats but i got kicked out
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Nybbas
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2006.07.19 07:44:00 -
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Edited by: Nybbas on 19/07/2006 07:53:15
haha good luck with that, IAC is going to kick their ass. If I hadn't just bought my Moros I would have took you up on all two billion.
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Altai Saker
Omniscient Order
Verisum Family
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Posted - 2006.07.19 07:47:00 -
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If I had 2bil straight cash I know what I would do with it >.>
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jamesw
Omniscient Order
Verisum Family
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Posted - 2006.07.19 08:00:00 -
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Edited by: jamesw on 19/07/2006 08:00:06
 Originally by: Altai Saker
If I had 2bil straight cash I know what I would do with it >.>
Exotic Dancers do not fly in the tournament, Altai.
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Lechap
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.19 08:03:00 -
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if you only have 50 mil, then bet that and you get 50 mil if i'm wrong
i'll cover any bets until my isk runs out
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Lechap
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.19 15:56:00 -
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Just Smith
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.07.19 16:38:00 -
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If you going to try to do that try to find a 3rd party to hold on to the isk or some people will not pay out
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TornSoul
BIG
Fountain Alliance
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Posted - 2006.07.19 18:03:00 -
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I'm game.
Lechap, wire me the 2B, and I'll post here when you have.
And then ppl can start sending me their bets.
I'll take a 10% cut for the admin though
(So whoever wins wont quite double your ISK, but almost)
Up to you Lechap.
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Hamish
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.19 18:33:00 -
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Edited by: Hamish on 19/07/2006 18:34:20
Hmm, how does that work then if I went to bet that IAC will win ? I just send TornSoul the amount of ISK i'm betting on it ?
What if I send 200 mil, how much does that pay me back if I win ? 180 mil profit ?
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TornSoul
BIG
Fountain Alliance
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Posted - 2006.07.19 18:43:00 -
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First of - *DO NOT* send me any ISK yet!!! (just making completly sure noone misreads your/mine resposne and starts sending me ISK)
But once I've confirmed that the bet is on - Yes, you wire the ISK to me.
If you send 200M (betting on that IAC will win), and IAC does indeed win, you will get your 200M ISK back + 180M ISK.
The 180M beeing what you actually win from Lechap (I'm keeping 10%)
AGAIN - Do not send any ISK yet.
Not until I have confirmed that Lechap really wants to do this or not.
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.19 18:48:00 -
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This sounds like fun to me. You should organize it so that you can bet on all the fights if its possible.
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Spartan239
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.19 20:07:00 -
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Once TornSoul sets this up im game
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Trevedian
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.19 20:13:00 -
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Any1 care to bet on "Prime Orbital Systems" as they face "The Red Skull" on 7/22?
If anyone wants to bet on POS I'll be happy match them.
Sex0r > you're bounty turns me on.. you seem like the kind of amarrian to dominate me
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Lechap
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.19 23:07:00 -
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I'm alright with 10%, as long as it's only 10% of the ISK that actually goes into play, so i'm not out 200 mil if nobody bets
sending ISK now
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Lechap
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.19 23:15:00 -
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Please let me know TornSoul if people send more than 2 billion, I migth be able to raise some more ISK to gamble with
*starts to sell off his t2 blueprints*
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.20 03:30:00 -
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2 Billion huh ? Awfully confident in KAOS aren't you  You do realize Kozak (their thron pilot from last time) is on the ASCN team now right ?
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Lechap
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.20 05:56:00 -
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Please verify you recieved the ISK TornSoul
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Lechap
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.20 13:55:00 -
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Eilene Fernite
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Posted - 2006.07.20 14:39:00 -
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I'll bet a 100mil that TS walks away with a ton of ISK from this.
10%? That's a lot for doing hardly anything.
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.20 14:47:00 -
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Just get a guy we can trust. I have no idea who and i dont care. I just want to do some honest betting on these fights.
One day to go. Please organize something...
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Lechap
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.20 14:56:00 -
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I'll take that bet eilene, if you're serious.
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.20 15:02:00 -
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Its quite possible you lose the 2 billion...nothing is certain in these fights.
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Lechap
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.20 15:30:00 -
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that's why it's fun..
i wouldn't be betting on this match at all if I didn't think it was a close one
i just think KAOS will beat IAC, and i'm putting my money where my mouth is..
if I lose so be it.
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TornSoul
BIG
Fountain Alliance
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Posted - 2006.07.20 16:19:00 -
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Just back from work.
I cant get ingame to validate that Lechap has actually transfered the ISK (Cluster is full).
And I'll be gone most evening so just want to get this started.
Looking at the char pages it looks as if my wallet has a couple of extra bill in it (I think...).
I'm willing to "take the chance" that it's Lechap that wired some ISK (if not I'll cover the bets myself - Thats how sure I am it's Lechap ;))
And Lechap, I'll only take 10% of actual bets ofc. ie. you'll get all your ISK back should noone make a bet (looks as if a few are game though  )
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How to bet
- You wire your bet to "TornSoul"
- Your bet has to be in full millions of ISK, ie. no 10,345,678 bets, but 10M ISK instead.
- Minimum bet is 10M ISK
- You have to add 297 ISK to your bet, so I can easily spot it in my wallet.
To make a bet of 10M ISK (that IAC will win) you would thus have to wire 10,000,297 ISK to "TornSoul".
Fail to add the 297 ISK and I'll simply keep the ISK.
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Lechap, I suggest you copy/paste the above (the stuff between the lines) and quote it in your first post - Lots won't find it all the way down here.
Happy betting guys.
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TornSoul
BIG
Fountain Alliance
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Posted - 2006.07.20 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: Eilene Fernite
I'll bet a 100mil that TS walks away with a ton of ISK from this.
10%? That's a lot for doing hardly anything.
Now now, try and think for a moment what I *have* done (in the past) so that people are now comfortable with me holding their ISK for a bit.
Definatly not "hardly any work" I assure you 
Case of "you reap what you sow"
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Skiving Larry
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Posted - 2006.07.20 16:38:00 -
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Lechap, drop me a message if you wana take a 150mil private bet on that, 10% hits the odds a bit too hard (no dis. to TornSoul, it's just the numbers).
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.20 16:53:00 -
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Originally by: TornSoul
Just back from work.
I cant get ingame to validate that Lechap has actually transfered the ISK (Cluster is full).
And I'll be gone most evening so just want to get this started.
Looking at the char pages it looks as if my wallet has a couple of extra bill in it (I think...).
I'm willing to "take the chance" that it's Lechap that wired some ISK (if not I'll cover the bets myself - Thats how sure I am it's Lechap ;))
And Lechap, I'll only take 10% of actual bets ofc. ie. you'll get all your ISK back should noone make a bet (looks as if a few are game though )
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How to bet
- You wire your bet to "TornSoul"
- Your bet has to be in full millions of ISK, ie. no 10,345,678 bets, but 10M ISK instead.
- Minimum bet is 10M ISK
- You have to add 297 ISK to your bet, so I can easily spot it in my wallet.
To make a bet of 10M ISK (that IAC will win) you would thus have to wire 10,000,297 ISK to "TornSoul".
Fail to add the 297 ISK and I'll simply keep the ISK.
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Lechap, I suggest you copy/paste the above (the stuff between the lines) and quote it in your first post - Lots won't find it all the way down here.
Happy betting guys.
Why not go all the way and let us bet on all fights?
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Lechap
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.20 17:36:00 -
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yay ! gambling is fun 
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Vegeta
Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2006.07.20 17:41:00 -
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1 billion sent to TornSoul.
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Raem Civrie
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.07.20 17:53:00 -
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Edited by: Raem Civrie on 20/07/2006 17:55:16
lol
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Lechap
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.20 20:20:00 -
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Edited by: Lechap on 20/07/2006 20:22:01
wow, more interest than I expect 
i'm going to send TornSoul another billion in case my 2 billion isn't enough
edit - at least 1.15 billion bet against KAOS so far, i'm going to be so rich if IAC lose lol
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<TomB> what is this pink stuff?
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.20 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: Vegeta
1 billion sent to TornSoul.
Hope you remembered to add 297 isk.
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Kurenin
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.20 21:23:00 -
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TornSoul, I would like to bet against those IAC rogues. However, as you are not on IRC I am unable to discuss this with you.
If you would be happy with this I shall put in 350m. As you are unlikely to see this before tomorrow, I shall not send the isk right now just incase you do not wish any more bets against IAC.
If, on the other hand, when you do see this, you do want to take me up on this, do post and I shall send the isk along.
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Durham Elysion
Quantum Logistics Incorporated
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2006.07.20 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Vegeta
1 billion sent to TornSoul.
Hope you remembered to add 297 isk.
"Aw fsck!!!"
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RangerXT
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.20 23:19:00 -
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500,000,297 isk wired to tornsoul, IAC to WIN!
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Adrielle Firewalker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.21 00:41:00 -
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So... are bets being taken for other matches or just this one specifically?
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Lechap
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.21 03:49:00 -
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Edited by: Lechap on 21/07/2006 03:50:44
right now I'm the only one who's taking bets at all TornSoul is just facilitating it
and yeah this is the only match I'm betting on until its over
tornsoul can you tell me what the bets are up to ? ive sent you another one billion ISK to cover bets maybe more where that came from if people are interested
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Lechap
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.21 12:02:00 -
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i'm starting to get nervous
i'll be pretty broke if iac win
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.21 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: Lechap
i'm starting to get nervous
i'll be pretty broke if iac win
I told you.
I dont need to bet myself.. just knowing someone has that much on the line is enough for me to make the fight exciting.
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Spartan239
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.21 16:01:00 -
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what if its a draw?
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Aversin
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.21 18:39:00 -
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10m for IAC to win, isk sent yesterday.
Originally by: Razner Cerizo
They will never quit. The beatings will continue until morale improves.
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TornSoul
BIG
Fountain Alliance
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Posted - 2006.07.21 19:12:00 -
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Edited by: TornSoul on 21/07/2006 19:12:24
Almost an hour to go
And the status is
Lechap : 3,000,000,000 ISK
Everyone else : 1,760,000,000 ISK
So if you happen to have 1,240,000,000 ISK (or less ) laying around, you can still bet
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.21 19:24:00 -
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OK. I think I will feel stupid but I am going to ask anyway. Who is KAOS?
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Semblence
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Posted - 2006.07.21 19:54:00 -
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LOL nice scam
they threw the fight
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The Tengu
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Posted - 2006.07.21 19:56:00 -
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How could you idiots that bet not see this coming. Nicely done IAC team :D
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NTRabbit
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.21 20:00:00 -
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I backed KAOS, made a nice bit of cash. I thought it was an easy game to pick... not like I had advance knowledge or anything.
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Posted - 2006.07.21 20:00:00 -
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A Snowballthron is an interesting setup, is it balanced with the other ships?
I'll start a new discussion on Ships & Modules...
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Pizi
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Posted - 2006.07.21 20:01:00 -
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everything is scam in eve .. kinda sad
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The Tengu
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Posted - 2006.07.21 20:02:00 -
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Honestly. Guiding Hand members, the backgrounds of the players involved.......anyone who lost money on that fight deserved to quite frankly :p
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Raid
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.21 20:02:00 -
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wow.... huge scam going on here...
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Pizi
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Posted - 2006.07.21 20:05:00 -
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funny stuff is that TS is involved
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.21 20:05:00 -
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S
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Semblence
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Posted - 2006.07.21 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: Raid
wow.... huge scam going on here...
If Tournsoul has all the money, he could simply rule all bets void. Means all money is returned, less his admin fee. So bookie wins, as usual.
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Rift Scorn
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.21 20:06:00 -
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and yet again TornSoul shows his true colours. and yeah, anyone that bought into this deserves to loose ISK. Muppets.
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Raem Civrie
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.07.21 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: Raem Civrie
Edited by: Raem Civrie on 20/07/2006 17:55:16
lol
What I said.
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The Tengu
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Posted - 2006.07.21 20:10:00 -
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Originally by: 0Virtu0
Obvious scams that no one notices for the win?
I simply cannot understand how so many people DIDN'T see this coming. It was just too obvious.....I'm sick with jealousy over the ease that you had making that money :)
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Coahim Madden
Syncore
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.07.21 20:11:00 -
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Edited by: Coahim Madden on 21/07/2006 20:16:25
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Haha bribery would be hilarious, and totally in the spirit of EVE.
I hope someone does try to rig the competition
That's one of the reasons I wish someone would take bets on individual matches, then one would have the option of betting on the other side and throwing the match for great wealth 
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Capt Rob
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Posted - 2006.07.21 20:13:00 -
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lol, i know there gona be alota whining about this. looks like it was not against the rules and on the ts thing. hard to tell if he did actually plan this or if it just happened while he was doing 1 of many betting systems.
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Posted - 2006.07.21 20:14:00 -
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Has Tournsoul paid out?
It is in a bookie's interest to declare a fixed match void and take his admin cut from all bets.
He profits financially and gains a good reputation (assuming he has one in the first place).
These tournaments are every 6 months, next time betting could be an big earner for a bookie with a spotless reputation.
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Martyr09
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Posted - 2006.07.21 20:15:00 -
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What happened? TornSoul an GH-SC member? Im really confused..
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.21 20:17:00 -
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Im glad i didnt bet on this thing...
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Hamish
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.21 20:17:00 -
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Edited by: Hamish on 21/07/2006 20:18:19
rofl, no he isn't in gh-sc ;p hilarious fight anyways
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Posted - 2006.07.21 20:18:00 -
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Originally by: Donna Divine
Originally by: Semblence
Originally by: Raid
wow.... huge scam going on here...
If Tournsoul has all the money, he could simply rule all bets void. Means all money is returned, less his admin fee. So bookie wins, as usual.
Where do you think the idea for TS to "facilitate" bets came from ? He only ended up facilitating a single one, how strange...
Oh I see LOL! I'll shut up now.
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Martyr09
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Posted - 2006.07.21 20:20:00 -
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What happened? Can someone explain,.
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Lechap
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.21 20:21:00 -
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erm i've only talked to tornsoul in this thread, you can read the entire conversations ;P also there was nothing for him to be in on so whatever
i don't see a scam, it's not my fault iac decided to lose
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The Tengu
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Posted - 2006.07.21 20:23:00 -
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Originally by: Martyr09
What happened? Can someone explain,.
A bunch of people bet lots of money on IAC, a team full of known thieves, scammers and other types that warm my heart. IAC bet on their opponents to win, then threw the match.
Then people expressed surprise that the well known thieves actually just thieved their money.
Others expressed suprise at the idiocy of the people that gave the thieves their money.
That's about all 
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RangerXT
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.21 20:24:00 -
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ahjahahah, I hate you guys.......
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Admiral Pieg
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.21 20:24:00 -
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hahaha... good call, too bad i didnt notice this thread earlier
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The Tengu
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Posted - 2006.07.21 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: RangerXT
ahjahahah, I hate you guys.......
Really? I love 'em
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.21 20:34:00 -
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I'll explain why we decided not to try to win very hard on monday.
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Admiral Pieg
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.21 20:35:00 -
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i dont get it, you could only bet on IAC or could you bet on KAOS also?
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Martyr09
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Posted - 2006.07.21 20:36:00 -
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Edited by: Martyr09 on 21/07/2006 20:36:15
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
I'll explain why we decided not to try to win very hard on monday.
This is disgusting and i've lost my respect for you, and via EVE-TV we all know theirs atleast one GH-SC member in IAC team.
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Adrielle Firewalker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.21 20:40:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
I'll explain why we decided not to try to win very hard on monday.
I have an idea, so I'll be interested to hear if I'm right
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Capt Rob
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.21 20:42:00 -
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well there was more to losing that match then possibly getting cash off bets. it also effects the matchs for the next rounds. so they might have been setting the matchs to some thing they wanted more by losing
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Portrait Swap
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2006.07.21 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: Adrielle Firewalker
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
I'll explain why we decided not to try to win very hard on monday.
I have an idea, so I'll be interested to hear if I'm right
To choose who they have to fight?
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.21 20:43:00 -
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Originally by: Pizi
everything is scam in eve .. kinda sad
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The Tengu
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Posted - 2006.07.21 20:44:00 -
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Originally by: Martyr09
Edited by: Martyr09 on 21/07/2006 20:36:15
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
I'll explain why we decided not to try to win very hard on monday.
This is disgusting and i've lost my respect for you, and via EVE-TV we all know theirs atleast one GH-SC member in IAC team.
Oh for....do people even look at who they're betting on? read up a bit on the people you're trusting with your money! At least 1 GH-SC member? I bet you another 2 bil that more than 1 of them have GH-SC JUST ON THEIR INGAME EMPLOYMENT HISTORY.
Do some research. No wonder the Guiding Hand have so much money. Their marks are idiots :/
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BIG
Fountain Alliance
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Posted - 2006.07.21 20:46:00 -
[79]
Lechap has recived his ISK.
I'm in NO position to be the judge of whether this was a setup or not...
I'm staying out of that one - Thank you very much.
Simply a neutral middleman holding some ISK.
(remember, I get my 10% regardless who wins, so it matters nothing to me)
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RangerXT
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.21 20:47:00 -
[80]
yeah, thankfully someone on IRC directed me to the betting thread so I'm pretty sure it was a scam considering who it was, oh well.....even if you lost on purpose to pick who you fight in the next round you were still behind this, whatever everything is legal in eve almost
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Posted - 2006.07.21 21:38:00 -
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Originally by: TornSoul
(remember, I get my 10% regardless who wins, so it matters nothing to me)
Lol, if that's your attitude...
I still don't see why you just don't call it void, no-one gets ****ed off, no-one says you we're in on it, and you still get the same 10% (admin fee).
The premise of the scam was "I'll use Tournsoul as an honest broker."
(I'm not mounting a personal attack, I'm just interested.)
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Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.21 21:47:00 -
[82]
tornsoul stuck to the letter of the agreement, isn't that what an honest broker does ?
he's not judge and jury and ensurer of fair gambling now is he ?
all he agreed to do was to middleman the isk to verify that i was actually going to match bets with real money
he did this so i frankly don't see what the problem is
also IAC throwing the match has nothing to do with me, i just thought KAOS were the better team which they are
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Posted - 2006.07.21 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: Lechap
tornsoul stuck to the letter of the agreement, isn't that what an honest broker does ?
he's not judge and jury and ensurer of fair gambling now is he ?
all he agreed to do was to middleman the isk to verify that i was actually going to match bets with real money
he did this so i frankly don't see what the problem is
also IAC throwing the match has nothing to do with me, i just thought KAOS were the better team which they are
I was abit worried when IAC brought out that mining laser pwnage, but luckily, KAOS managed to win the fight in the end.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.21 21:58:00 -
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Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 21/07/2006 21:58:20
The thread topic says it all, G-A-M-B-L-E. You made the bet, you took the risk, you let the greed got the better of you.
It is sad that people throw fights but it is their choice. Nobody clicked give money button for you. You did it yourself. Be happy about it and remember it wasnt a venture capitalist scam.
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Posted - 2006.07.21 22:44:00 -
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Originally by: The Tengu
Originally by: Martyr09
Edited by: Martyr09 on 21/07/2006 20:36:15
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
I'll explain why we decided not to try to win very hard on monday.
This is disgusting and i've lost my respect for you, and via EVE-TV we all know theirs atleast one GH-SC member in IAC team.
Oh for....do people even look at who they're betting on? read up a bit on the people you're trusting with your money! At least 1 GH-SC member? I bet you another 2 bil that more than 1 of them have GH-SC JUST ON THEIR INGAME EMPLOYMENT HISTORY.
Do some research. No wonder the Guiding Hand have so much money. Their marks are idiots :/
Three. Uuve Savisaalo, Raem Civrie and Jim Raynor, according to in-game bios.
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Posted - 2006.07.21 22:52:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 21/07/2006 21:58:20
The thread topic says it all, G-A-M-B-L-E. You made the bet, you took the risk, you let the greed got the better of you.
It is sad that people throw fights but it is their choice. Nobody clicked give money button for you. You did it yourself. Be happy about it and remember it wasnt a venture capitalist scam.
There is no gamble, no risk, if the fix is in.
No gamble, no risk was taken - the outcome had been decided beforehand.
You say "the thread topic says it all, G-A-M-B-L-E."
You believe the original thread, and you think it was a gamble. It was not. It was a fix.
Yes, how sad, how sad it was, the day the fight was thrown. Too much to believe, gasp! that alts might have bet against their mains, all facilitated by Tournsoul.
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Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.21 22:57:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
I'll explain why we decided not to try to win very hard on monday.
Well, I am guessing that second place gives you an opponent you are more comfortable with for your first knockout match.
But I bet all the extra ISK is a welcome bonus.
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Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.21 22:58:00 -
[88]
Originally by: The Tengu
Originally by: Martyr09
What happened? Can someone explain,.
<...>
That's about all
Aww, dammit. I knew I should have watched EvE-TV this evening, but real life intervened.
Can anyone give a quick synopsis of how they threw the match? Or point me to another thread? Did they just not shoot, or turn up in gimped setups, or what?
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Posted - 2006.07.21 23:01:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Semblence
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 21/07/2006 21:58:20
The thread topic says it all, G-A-M-B-L-E. You made the bet, you took the risk, you let the greed got the better of you.
It is sad that people throw fights but it is their choice. Nobody clicked give money button for you. You did it yourself. Be happy about it and remember it wasnt a venture capitalist scam.
There is no gamble, no risk, if the fix is in.
No gamble, no risk was taken - the outcome had been decided beforehand.
You say "the thread topic says it all, G-A-M-B-L-E."
You believe the original thread, and you think it was a gamble. It was not. It was a fix.
Yes, how sad, how sad it was, the day the fight was thrown. Too much to believe, gasp! that alts might have bet against their mains, all facilitated by Tournsoul.
all bets on the torny are a risk b/c there is no rules against throwing a game. so any bet on any team cane be fixed. so in your terms all bets on the alliance torny could be fixedand also ts is a middle man who gets cash either way so why would he bother fixing the bet unless the one who won cash is his alt. but he has a good reputation and i see little reason why hed ruin it over a few bil.
Edit: torn is not hard to spell
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Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.21 23:03:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Semblence
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 21/07/2006 21:58:20
The thread topic says it all, G-A-M-B-L-E. You made the bet, you took the risk, you let the greed got the better of you.
It is sad that people throw fights but it is their choice. Nobody clicked give money button for you. You did it yourself. Be happy about it and remember it wasnt a venture capitalist scam.
There is no gamble, no risk, if the fix is in.
No gamble, no risk was taken - the outcome had been decided beforehand.
You say "the thread topic says it all, G-A-M-B-L-E."
You believe the original thread, and you think it was a gamble. It was not. It was a fix.
Yes, how sad, how sad it was, the day the fight was thrown. Too much to believe, gasp! that alts might have bet against their mains, all facilitated by Tournsoul.
It was a gamble because you didnt know it was fixed. Why would one person wager 3B against everyone? It is either the person is loco or everyone else is.
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Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.21 23:39:00 -
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Im sorry, but its Friday! - the before and after ...
Before.
Tis a sunny day in bets ville, the residence ponder the forthcoming Eve match
Originally by: Altai Saker
If I had 2bil straight cash I know what I would do with it >.>
Originally by: Nybbas
Edited by: Nybbas on 19/07/2006 07:53:15
haha good luck with that, IAC is going to kick their ass. If I hadn't just bought my Moros I would have took you up on all two billion.
Some let the excitment get to them
Originally by: Lechap
Please let me know TornSoul if people send more than 2 billion, I migth be able to raise some more ISK to gamble with
*starts to sell off his t2 blueprints*
A competing book maker is un happy however
Originally by: Eilene Fernite
I'll bet a 100mil that TS walks away with a ton of ISK from this.
10%? That's a lot for doing hardly anything.
A crowd has formed and the atmosphere is electric
Originally by: Lechap
yay ! gambling is fun
Originally by: Vegeta
1 billion sent to TornSoul.
Originally by: RangerXT
500,000,297 isk wired to tornsoul, IAC to WIN!
Originally by: Lechap
i'm starting to get nervous
i'll be pretty broke if iac win
Originally by: Aversin
10m for IAC to win, isk sent yesterday.
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Just get a guy we can trust. I have no idea who and i dont care. I just want to do some honest betting on these fights.
One day to go. Please organize something...
Its a frenzy as the match begins ... there are 2 results... IAC win/lose (delete as appropriate) and those that lost feel
Originally by: Jim McGregor
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Whether the above did or did not happen is a matter of conjecture ... i shouldn't post when im drunk, i know
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Posted - 2006.07.21 23:52:00 -
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One person betting 3B privately is one thing, publicly involving TS and leveraging his reputation for credibility is another.
All I'm saying is that the "unwitting" facilitator of a fix ought to have some clue that his reputation is being used to facilitate a fix. He has time on his side - he needn't pay out straight after the fight. He could get a clue and realise he will be less attractive as an "honest broker" in future if he pays out on a blatent scam.
He can void all bets, and still profit the same 10% admin fee, with no-one impeaching his reputation.
The "I'm neutral, I only moved money" defence is self-defeating for TournSoul, it just makes him look like part of the scam.
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BIG
Fountain Alliance
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Posted - 2006.07.22 00:18:00 -
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Semblence I'll give this one answer.
Me entering as a 3rd party "only - and absolutly only" gurantess that ISK will be moved - and that neither side will be given the chance to "not pay up".
My only function is that of an "automated process" (making sure the ISK moves) - Nothing more, nothing less.
How entering as a neutral 3rd party suddenly gives me the powers, not to mention *right* of "game assesment board" and judge and jury at the same time... Is totally beoynd me...
In fact, doing as you suggest (giving every one their ISK back) would *excactly* stamp me as beeing dis-honest, as I in that case would have broken my "contract" with Lechap.
I simply dont have a choice.
I've yet to break my word on anything, and I sure plan to keep it that way.
It's unfortunate that you feel otherwise, but my hands are tied by my word.
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Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.22 05:24:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
I'll explain why we decided not to try to win very hard on monday.
Dont wait till then, I can tell you right now. IAC had they won were going to meet BoB in a semi final. After the hours on EVEtv of saying how Tyraxx has planned this tournament for months, and how last tournament Tyraxx strategy was superior and they were unlucky to lose to BoB etc. (insert more crap here), they could not handle another semi final lose to BoB.
IAC threw the match so they could be on the other side of the draw and at least make a final this time. Hence saving some face by saying they did better then last time. Tyraxx has isk flowing out of his eyeballs it has nothing to do with isk.
It is digusting, disreputable, and your name will be forever tarnished. Your acts were not in the spirit of the competition, and proves that your actions cant back up your big mouth on EVEtv.
If i am wrong, prove it ...... Oh thats right you cant.
Originally by: Bender
Interesting, no the other one ... tedious
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Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.22 08:35:00 -
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rofl
i'm sorry i just find all this hilarious
*cough*
oh wait i don't have a reply other than to laugh at you sorry
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Posted - 2006.07.22 08:57:00 -
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Tbh, I find the isk scam rather lame, but hey, it being part of eve to scam makes it acceptable.
I don't get Tornsouls decision on the matter however. He's been used like Omber was in that share scam. Hiding behind impartiality is weak, and that's saying it rather nicely. Would you accept to broker an IPO by my alt corp Tornsoul ? And still send me my isk after I inform the scammed investors that they got scammed ? No you would not, since you're linked to the actions of whoever it is you broker for.
Anyways, enough about the isk part. Let's get to the really interesting part. Evading the BoB team in the semis by throwing a match. Rather weak, again. A draw is made to determine who fights who and what the order of battle will be up to the finals. Throwing a match is unsportsmanlike behaviour in the extreme.
It won't help tho, you're not going to make it to the finals anyway
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.22 09:13:00 -
[97]
Wanna bet ?
I wonder if TornSoul would hold the ISK for us..
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Posted - 2006.07.22 09:27:00 -
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Whether or not this bet was a scam, doesn't really matter. The match was rigged, that much is obvious. TornSoul not giving everyone their money back, but paying out to the 'winner', implies that it was indeed a scam, and that he was part of it from the beginning.
Originally by: TornSoul
Now now, try and think for a moment what I *have* done (in the past) so that people are now comfortable with me holding their ISK for a bit.
Definatly not "hardly any work" I assure you
Case of "you reap what you sow"
TornSoul, I don't think you fully appreciate what you have just sowed here.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.22 09:38:00 -
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Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 22/07/2006 09:38:30
Explanation
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Posted - 2006.07.22 10:32:00 -
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Edited by: MOOstradamus on 22/07/2006 10:34:17
Originally by: Rod Blaine
Tbh, I find the isk scam rather lame, but hey, it being part of eve to scam makes it acceptable.
I don't get Tornsouls decision on the matter however. He's been used like Omber was in that share scam. Hiding behind impartiality is weak, and that's saying it rather nicely. Would you accept to broker an IPO by my alt corp Tornsoul ? And still send me my isk after I inform the scammed investors that they got scammed ? No you would not, since you're linked to the actions of whoever it is you broker for.
Shame on you Rod Blaine. Scamming is allowed in EVE and impartiality is nothing 'to hide behind' if that is the very reason someone is selected to guarantee/broker the deal in the first place, especially by the victim.
So at you.
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Posted - 2006.07.22 11:08:00 -
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How is siding with an at the very least suspicious winner impartial?
Impartiality would be to say 'It's obvious the match was rigged, the losing team admitted it very clearly. Therefore all ISK will be returned, no percentage fee will be taken and nobody gets hurt'.
That's the general rule in cases like this. Bookies declared all bets null and void when Schumacher let Barichello win a Formula 1 race a couple of years ago.
I don't care about people getting scammed btw, I do care about the CEO of one of Eve's largest public ventures (BMBE) showing yet again to make decisions that aren't thought through properly.
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Posted - 2006.07.22 11:54:00 -
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i wount defend TS, i will never trust him after this and the share thing holding back ..
such a greedy person
but he wasnt the bookie he was the broker
but then again brookers are here to avoid scams
i think he lost a lot of reputation for the measly 300mill
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Posted - 2006.07.22 12:20:00 -
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Originally by: Lechap
Edited by: Lechap on 20/07/2006 17:21:00
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How to bet
- You wire your bet to "TornSoul"
- Your bet has to be in full millions of ISK, ie. no 10,345,678 bets, but 10M ISK instead.
- Minimum bet is 10M ISK
- You have to add 297 ISK to your bet, so I can easily spot it in my wallet.
To make a bet of 10M ISK (that IAC will win) you would thus have to wire 10,000,297 ISK to "TornSoul".
Fail to add the 297 ISK and I'll simply keep the ISK.
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Stuff
May I just point this out to all of you or is this just me thats misreading this??
Fail to add the 297 ISK and I'll simply keep the ISK.
So he said "I'll" will keep the cash?? But how can he if it's with TS?
So am I wrong in thinking that Lechap = TornSoul
TS even copied this error in her post
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Raem Civrie
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.07.22 12:23:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Valdor Hag
Originally by: Lechap
Edited by: Lechap on 20/07/2006 17:21:00
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How to bet
- You wire your bet to "TornSoul"
- Your bet has to be in full millions of ISK, ie. no 10,345,678 bets, but 10M ISK instead.
- Minimum bet is 10M ISK
- You have to add 297 ISK to your bet, so I can easily spot it in my wallet.
To make a bet of 10M ISK (that IAC will win) you would thus have to wire 10,000,297 ISK to "TornSoul".
Fail to add the 297 ISK and I'll simply keep the ISK.
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Stuff
May I just point this out to all of you or is this just me thats misreading this??
Fail to add the 297 ISK and I'll simply keep the ISK.
So he said "I'll" will keep the cash?? But how can he if it's with TS?
So am I wrong in thinking that Lechap = TornSoul
TS even copied this error in her post
Read up, Lechap copied his part from TS's post at his request, not vice versa.
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Posted - 2006.07.22 12:49:00 -
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Originally by: Raem Civrie
How small-minded ARE you people?
Oh, the irony.
It isn't us that think it is okay to throw a match, and rob a team the chance to qualify on their own merits, is it?
Us small minded?
Maybe, but still enough of a mind to know right from wrong.
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Eilene Fernite
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Posted - 2006.07.22 13:13:00 -
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Originally by: Raem Civrie
believing that he'd risk his reputation on what, 3b isk that wouldn't all go to him IS JUST SO NICE TO BELIEVE, EH?
Plausible deniability. TS knows that he can use exactly what you said to claim he had nothing to do with it.
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BIG
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Posted - 2006.07.22 13:27:00 -
[107]
Our betting on this year's Alliance Tournament is at the bequest of CCP. GMs have audited BIG Games's wallet before, to ensure no wrong doing. The BMBE has around 90 billion ISK worth of investors' ISK. We also hold multiple Battleship BPOs, purchased using ISK from investors in The BIG Deal.
If you think we'd be willing to throw this all away for 176m ISK you've got rocks in your head.
And while all the evidence may suggest this isn't too kosher, there is as yet no conclusive proof that this is a scam.
You've all got your own opinions of what may have happened, and moralistic inclines as to the worst case scenario. TS made a judgement call and decided to stick by his word. Nothing more needs to be explained.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2006.07.22 13:34:00 -
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Heh.
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Eilene Fernite
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Posted - 2006.07.22 14:01:00 -
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Originally by: Ray McCormack
Our betting on this year's Alliance Tournament is at the bequest of CCP. GMs have audited BIG Games's wallet before, to ensure no wrong doing. The BMBE has around 90 billion ISK worth of investors' ISK. We also hold multiple Battleship BPOs, purchased using ISK from investors in The BIG Deal.
If you think we'd be willing to throw this all away for 176m ISK you've got rocks in your head.
And while all the evidence may suggest this isn't too kosher, there is as yet no conclusive proof that this is a scam.
You've all got your own opinions of what may have happened, and moralistic inclines as to the worst case scenario. TS made a judgement call and decided to stick by his word. Nothing more needs to be explained.
Lol, TS and judgement calls.
Need I remind you of the character transfer scam that was the reason why character sales done on the forums are now protected by CCP? TS supposedly conducted a huge investigation to get to the bottom of it all, and ruled there was no scam. The victim however didn't give up, and finally CCP intervened, uncovered the scam for what it was, and reversed the transactions. Good call from TS there.
Then there's the more recent even where he seemingly is skimming dividends off of share sales done through the EGSE.
Now this.
All of these incidents involve a relative small amount of ISK. In all of these incidents, TS has failed to come up with conclusive evidence that he wasn't involved.
It's not about who's right or wrong, it's about the reputation of someone who deals with so much of other people's ISK.
But it's ok, I'm not involved either way, just surprised at how many snafu's someone like TS can make and still have the trust of a large amount of the community.
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Raem Civrie
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.07.22 14:45:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Eilene Fernite
Originally by: Ray McCormack
Our betting on this year's Alliance Tournament is at the bequest of CCP. GMs have audited BIG Games's wallet before, to ensure no wrong doing. The BMBE has around 90 billion ISK worth of investors' ISK. We also hold multiple Battleship BPOs, purchased using ISK from investors in The BIG Deal.
If you think we'd be willing to throw this all away for 176m ISK you've got rocks in your head.
And while all the evidence may suggest this isn't too kosher, there is as yet no conclusive proof that this is a scam.
You've all got your own opinions of what may have happened, and moralistic inclines as to the worst case scenario. TS made a judgement call and decided to stick by his word. Nothing more needs to be explained.
Lol, TS and judgement calls.
Need I remind you of the character transfer scam that was the reason why character sales done on the forums are now protected by CCP? TS supposedly conducted a huge investigation to get to the bottom of it all, and ruled there was no scam. The victim however didn't give up, and finally CCP intervened, uncovered the scam for what it was, and reversed the transactions. Good call from TS there.
Then there's the more recent even where he seemingly is skimming dividends off of share sales done through the EGSE.
Now this.
All of these incidents involve a relative small amount of ISK. In all of these incidents, TS has failed to come up with conclusive evidence that he wasn't involved.
It's not about who's right or wrong, it's about the reputation of someone who deals with so much of other people's ISK.
But it's ok, I'm not involved either way, just surprised at how many snafu's someone like TS can make and still have the trust of a large amount of the community.
I remember that scam investigation. I also remember that the "result" of his investigation was indeed that it had been a scam; the purpose of the investigation had always been to prove that BIG and TS did not know it was a scam beforehand, and he succeeded in doing that, backed up by CCP. If you could provide a link to that particular case, we could verify this either way and there would be much rejoicing.
As for skimming off dividends... how? Also, if he was "manipulating" EGSE, EMFi would most likely be doing an audit right now, or have finished one. They might've done one, I don't frequent the market forums that much, the world of EVE finance is of only a minor concern of mine when you really get down to it, and I might've missed that notice. At least I DID miss accusations of BIG skimming off EGSE. So again, links for me to read up on that?
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Posted - 2006.07.22 14:45:00 -
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Good job mixing things up Lechap. You know, just by looking at the list of fights, I'm sure most everyone could pick the winners 80-90% of the time before the round begins (until tomorrow of course). Having flukes like this in there may make someone a little more hesitant to throw 5 bil isk on BoB next time.
Risk in gambling? Naa... that's too much for people.
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Posted - 2006.07.22 15:07:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Ray McCormack
Our betting on this year's Alliance Tournament is at the bequest of CCP. GMs have audited BIG Games's wallet before, to ensure no wrong doing. The BMBE has around 90 billion ISK worth of investors' ISK. We also hold multiple Battleship BPOs, purchased using ISK from investors in The BIG Deal.
If you think we'd be willing to throw this all away for 176m ISK you've got rocks in your head.
And while all the evidence may suggest this isn't too kosher, there is as yet no conclusive proof that this is a scam.
You've all got your own opinions of what may have happened, and moralistic inclines as to the worst case scenario. TS made a judgement call and decided to stick by his word. Nothing more needs to be explained.
ah that clears it up
so he sat down and after much thinking he decicet it was a fair fight and IAC lost because they suck
as i said bfore , if someone trusts him after this scam and his background , they must be insane
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.22 15:27:00 -
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Posted - 2006.07.22 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
i think we can all agree that iac does indeed suck
that made me laugh IRL
you lost your honor, but you didnt lost your humor
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Posted - 2006.07.22 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: Raem Civrie
I remember that scam investigation. I also remember that the "result" of his investigation was indeed that it had been a scam; the purpose of the investigation had always been to prove that BIG and TS did not know it was a scam beforehand, and he succeeded in doing that, backed up by CCP. If you could provide a link to that particular case, we could verify this either way and there would be much rejoicing.
TS may not have known beforehand the char transfer was a scam, but he did in fact vouch for the scammer. Then after the buyer came to the forums complaining, TS conducted an investigation from which he concluded that it wasn't in fact the BIG member that scammed, but the buyer. I'm sorry I can't find the thread in which it was announced that it was a scam by the BIG member, but we seem to agree on that anyway.
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As for skimming off dividends... how? Also, if he was "manipulating" EGSE, EMFi would most likely be doing an audit right now, or have finished one. They might've done one, I don't frequent the market forums that much, the world of EVE finance is of only a minor concern of mine when you really get down to it, and I might've missed that notice. At least I DID miss accusations of BIG skimming off EGSE. So again, links for me to read up on that?
TS has been skimming off dividends by waiting to transfer shares on deals brokered by him. People buy BMBE shares on EGSE before dividend is supposed to be paid out. TS then waits with transferring the shares until after dividend has been paid (TS is in possession of the shares from the moment they are put up for sale), effectively receiving the dividends himself.
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Hllaxiu
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.07.22 21:37:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
i think we can all agree that iac does indeed suck
Yes, because your little plan didn't quite work.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.22 22:55:00 -
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*shrug* no big deal, just means easier matches and less epic finals, not as if it cost us anything now is it ?
too bad KAOS didn't live up to my expectations
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voodoo
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.23 00:27:00 -
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can i use your hair like reins and ride you hard Tyrrax all the while yelling "you like that ya stinkin coward"?
Wheres judge judy when ya need her....
I cant wait till tomorrow. For somereason i think the community likes bob more now iduno but we sure seem honest(er) now.
/runs off to grab some saddle oil
come back come back
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Emeline Cabernet
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.23 00:55:00 -
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this is hilarious...
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Evgan Karserki
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Posted - 2006.07.23 01:45:00 -
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Originally by: Eilene Fernite
Originally by: Raem Civrie
I remember that scam investigation. I also remember that the "result" of his investigation was indeed that it had been a scam; the purpose of the investigation had always been to prove that BIG and TS did not know it was a scam beforehand, and he succeeded in doing that, backed up by CCP. If you could provide a link to that particular case, we could verify this either way and there would be much rejoicing.
TS may not have known beforehand the char transfer was a scam, but he did in fact vouch for the scammer. Then after the buyer came to the forums complaining, TS conducted an investigation from which he concluded that it wasn't in fact the BIG member that scammed, but the buyer. I'm sorry I can't find the thread in which it was announced that it was a scam by the BIG member, but we seem to agree on that anyway.
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As for skimming off dividends... how? Also, if he was "manipulating" EGSE, EMFi would most likely be doing an audit right now, or have finished one. They might've done one, I don't frequent the market forums that much, the world of EVE finance is of only a minor concern of mine when you really get down to it, and I might've missed that notice. At least I DID miss accusations of BIG skimming off EGSE. So again, links for me to read up on that?
TS has been skimming off dividends by waiting to transfer shares on deals brokered by him. People buy BMBE shares on EGSE before dividend is supposed to be paid out. TS then waits with transferring the shares until after dividend has been paid (TS is in possession of the shares from the moment they are put up for sale), effectively receiving the dividends himself.
Raem unfortunately cannot post due to circumstances currently beyond his control, but he does thank you for your links, and for correcting his memory.
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