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MX Storm	Posted - 2006.07.19 11:17:00 - [1] I must say I find the article quite disturbing....... Why is eve not getting a mention! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4265407.stm oops if thats my first thought am I addicted.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.19 11:20:00 - [2] I think most of us can agree that these games are addictive. Its quite hard not to play when you really want to. Personally i have lots of stuff i should really do instead of playing eve. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Crumplecorn Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.19 11:51:00 - [3] Quote: "By 'a lot', I mean probably 15 to 20 hours a week on average, and on weeks where I didn't have to work, as many as 30 or 40 hours." Would they ever get people who actually play games a lot in on these articles. 20 hours a week, thats roughly threee hours a day, can he even be classified as a gamer? Quote: Gaming is like any other pastime - it can quickly become an unhealthy obsession, whether it is spending too much time in the gym, in front of the television, or reading poetry. I think this should read: Gaming is like any other pastime - if you have an empty life, you may end up doing this one thing constantly due to a lack of anything better to do, whether it is spending too much time in the gym, in front of the television, or reading poetry. And when you do someone is going to blame the pastime instead of you. ---------- Always Up To SomethingÖ One of us is really thick, and I hope its you - Kalaan Oratay
Boonaki Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.19 11:57:00 - [4] The time I've spent playing online games, I could have a PHD. Fear the Ibis of doom!
Kilael Jaase Republic Military School	Posted - 2006.07.19 12:06:00 - [5] 20 hours of gaming a week is not a lot. I probably spend about 3 hours a night one my PC at home, most of that is spent either browsing forums or gaming, which, i'll account as the same thing. I still go out, go clubbing, I have a tan, great friends, i'm in a band and make DnB, both gigging atm... I don't see the problem with enjoying a lot of game time? I mean, let me put it this way, If I had a week off, and spent 3 hours a day drumming, is that an unhealthy obsession? BBC are just looking for articles to publish.
Whelan Iskander	Posted - 2006.07.19 12:08:00 - [6] Originally by: Crumplecorn Quote: "By 'a lot', I mean probably 15 to 20 hours a week on average, and on weeks where I didn't have to work, as many as 30 or 40 hours." Would they ever get people who actually play games a lot in on these articles. 20 hours a week, thats roughly threee hours a day, can he even be classified as a gamer? I don't know what other people here do for a living, but in weeks when I have to go to work, 20 hours playtime is a lot for me, divided between sleep, work, GF or wife, family and various hobbies (reading, sports and manga that'd be). And yes, as I've played games for about 19 years now, I'd still consider myself 'a gamer', despite 'only' 3 hours average a day....
Sensor Error 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.19 12:10:00 - [7] Originally by: Ryan, Grenoble, France My advice to gaming widows is "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em". That is, try playing it yourself. If he wants to play as well, well at least you'll be together somewhere... had to laugh at this. My girlfriend doesn't have the patience to play many computer games at all, let alone the long "dull" hours that are required in eve. RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!! ------------------------------------------ Dev Responses to common questions
nahtoh Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.19 12:11:00 - [8] Originally by: MX Storm I must say I find the article quite disturbing....... Why is eve not getting a mention! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4265407.stm oops if thats my first thought am I addicted. Oh the corp knows you are addicted MX...your rarly offline ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self
Sensor Error 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.07.19 12:12:00 - [9] Originally by: Jim McGregor I think most of us can agree that these games are addictive. Its quite hard not to play when you really want to. Personally i have lots of stuff i should really do instead of playing eve. The thing I always come back to is the fact that there is no "pause" button. You can't stop the game, just because you have to sleep/ eat etc. There are also very few natural breaks in the game. There are no new levels, no end of mission debriefs, it's all just one long run... RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!! ------------------------------------------ Dev Responses to common questions
Nestor II	Posted - 2006.07.19 12:14:00 - [10] I play on avg. about 3 hours a night and 6+ hours on sat. and 6+ hours on sun. If i wanted to i could up it to 6 hours a day everyday of the week and still work 50 hours. Come to think of it, i just might do that, waking at 5am after 5 hours of sleep should be doable.

Psyrex Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.19 12:20:00 - [11] My Name is Psyrex and I'm an addict. I come home from work at about 5pm and play until midnight, sometimes later. I do this every weekday. Even when I'm at work I'm planning new ship set-ups and thinking about what I'll do when I get online. I'll play from the time I get up to the time I sleep on weekends. Ya know what? I DONT CARE. Hell its a game for god sake. I enjoy playing it and that's what I pay for. Its my time and I wanna do what I enjoy, and I enjoy Eve. People may say " why don't you go out and go for a walk or read a book" Why the hell would I do that? Coz I might enjoy it? I'm already doing something that I enjoy, Playing Eve. Eve is my hobby. You don't hear about people complaining about someone painting too much. They have their hobby and I have mine. ------------------------------------------- Famous last words: "Hey kids, watch this!"
Kilael Jaase Republic Military School	Posted - 2006.07.19 12:27:00 - [12] Quote: You don't hear about people complaining about someone painting too much. They have their hobby and I have mine. Q4TW
Izanami Naru Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.19 12:56:00 - [13] Good thing about EvE that's different from the games mentioned is that you don't have to play to advance. In Eve I find I advance the most when not playing at all (vacations and work make those long skill trainings a whole lot more bareable) So unlike most other MMO's the drive to play in order to get better is not as strong and thus it's quite easy to be an avid EvE player and still have a "life"
DANGEROUS Fate. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.07.19 13:20:00 - [14] Edited by: DANGEROUS on 19/07/2006 13:24:32 Edited by: DANGEROUS on 19/07/2006 13:23:12 i am a recovering addict when i bought eve - i had a house - a ú50,000 pa job - a girlfriend etc over teh next 2.5 yrs - - to today - - i am in a new job with a much larger earning potential - but atm onlyú27,500pa. I am about to rent a room in a house - having sold my house and spent teh money on living - - having only worked for 12 months out of the last 30 or so. plus - o yes i am single PS - to me addiction was palying for between 18 and 24 hrs a day - - -YES 24 i turned my body around to sleep from DT - (11am uk time) - to 6m latest - so that i could manage the necesssary objective setting for people as they logged on AFTER work THIS GAME IS BAD FOR UR HEALTH and social life ))) BUT i have 2 x 43 mill sp accounts ))) - - USED to be a big time trader- - then after 2 years discovered PVP have obtained over 700 killmails - (and parcipated in thousands more) - have got to call people from ALL over teh world FRIENDS - and basically have loved almost every minute of it oo and i mananged to avoid prozac!!!!
HostageTaker Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.07.19 13:51:00 - [15] Originally by: DANGEROUS Edited by: DANGEROUS on 19/07/2006 13:24:32 Edited by: DANGEROUS on 19/07/2006 13:23:12 i am a recovering addict when i bought eve - i had a house - a ú50,000 pa job - a girlfriend etc over teh next 2.5 yrs - - to today - - i am in a new job with a much larger earning potential - but atm onlyú27,500pa. I am about to rent a room in a house - having sold my house and spent teh money on living - - having only worked for 12 months out of the last 30 or so. plus - o yes i am single PS - to me addiction was palying for between 18 and 24 hrs a day - - -YES 24 i turned my body around to sleep from DT - (11am uk time) - to 6m latest - so that i could manage the necesssary objective setting for people as they logged on AFTER work THIS GAME IS BAD FOR UR HEALTH and social life ))) BUT i have 2 x 43 mill sp accounts ))) - - USED to be a big time trader- - then after 2 years discovered PVP have obtained over 700 killmails - (and parcipated in thousands more) - have got to call people from ALL over teh world FRIENDS - and basically have loved almost every minute of it oo and i mananged to avoid prozac!!!! >>> EvE Online Wallpapers <<<
Keshara Knight	Posted - 2006.07.19 14:14:00 - [16] Originally by: DANGEROUS Edited by: DANGEROUS on 19/07/2006 13:24:32 Edited by: DANGEROUS on 19/07/2006 13:23:12 i am a recovering addict when i bought eve - i had a house - a ú50,000 pa job - a girlfriend etc over teh next 2.5 yrs - - to today - - i am in a new job with a much larger earning potential - but atm onlyú27,500pa. I am about to rent a room in a house - having sold my house and spent teh money on living - - having only worked for 12 months out of the last 30 or so. plus - o yes i am single PS - to me addiction was palying for between 18 and 24 hrs a day - - -YES 24 i turned my body around to sleep from DT - (11am uk time) - to 6m latest - so that i could manage the necesssary objective setting for people as they logged on AFTER work THIS GAME IS BAD FOR UR HEALTH and social life ))) BUT i have 2 x 43 mill sp accounts ))) - - USED to be a big time trader- - then after 2 years discovered PVP have obtained over 700 killmails - (and parcipated in thousands more) - have got to call people from ALL over teh world FRIENDS - and basically have loved almost every minute of it oo and i mananged to avoid prozac!!!! i can only hope for u that you are kidding....if your not ... nah nvm its your life.
Nev Clavain Wise Guys	Posted - 2006.07.19 15:28:00 - [17] Originally by: Psyrex You don't hear about people complaining about someone painting too much. They have their hobby and I have mine. LOL you obviously don't have a wife/girlfriend. Believe me if you spent all day alone painting... they would complain. Horrid generalisation and all, gross sexism, sorry ladies :)
eLLioTT wave Art of War Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.07.19 15:33:00 - [18] Originally by: Whelan Iskander ... divided between sleep, work, GF or wife, ... you get to choose between GF & wife? lucky
Mike Spike	Posted - 2006.07.19 17:42:00 - [19] Edited by: Mike Spike on 19/07/2006 17:45:30 I found a comment that fits to me: Quote: For me the problem is that I love to complete a goal. Once it is completed that is it, I am finished, time to move on. I become obsessed to complete the goal, so from that standpoint it is an addiction. In a game where you will never complete an "ultimate" goal, well it would be like falling into a black pit. It is easier to escape into a controlled fantasy world than face reality at times - in other words the goal offered in the PC game are "easier" and more fun than the real world. Pretty scary implications if you think about it. Robert M., Linconshire But it isn't specific to EVE. If I get a new single player game, I want to complete it. So I usually put every time I have into the game, until it's done. It isn't even limited to games: If something fascinates me and is fun, I put as much spare time to it as possible into it. A book, programming ... Guess I had done the same in my favourite sports some years ago, but the body just told me early, when it was enough. I had a time when I did some sports up to 5 times a week. With occupations that require thinking like programming, reading etc. it's the loss of concentration after some time that tells me, when it's enough. With games I only stop if I feel bored or too exausted to go on or there is something that has to be done now. It became a problem at university, where I'm 'stuck' now. I have a lot of freedom. At times I had to write exams and do some labs, but most of the time I could decide myself, which lectures I wanted to attend. Nobody checked, if I was there, I just had to write the exam in the end. I've started with my first multi-player game in university, a text-based MUD and guess since then I'm doomed. On one side you have a fascinating game that's fun with goals that you can achieve easily and on the other side you have a long road with often rather dry stuff. You know it takes years to reach the end goal at university, even if you put your whole power into it and it is often dry / not fun. Really dangerous in combination with games. You think: 'Since I don't have to go to university for that lesson, I can learn that stuff from a script later' or 'I can write this exam also next year, doesn't matter, since I'm studying anyway.' I've lost a lot of time due to shifting the bothersome stuff to 'later' and doing something fascinating and fun instead. Suddenly when a deadline comes close, I stop enjoying something like a game and I feel a slight panic and start to put all my efforts into my studies. As long as I'm sure I have enough time left, I keep on doing the stuff that fascinates me. E.g. I've done the learning for an oral exam about 2 terms physics for in one day/night. I appeared there a bit exausted and it didn't go great. I knew I could have been a lot better. Did the same with computer science subjects that seemed easy e.g. done the learning for some practical computer science exams in one day or hammered the stuff from 2 semesters of theoretical computer science, a course that I attended rather irregularily, in one weekend into my head or decided 'last minute' to write an exam at the end of the term. I didn't want to, but then I learned one morning full-power. Then I start learning / doing exercises non-stop for up to 16 hours, depending on how much time I've left. Most often it worked somehow, but the grades were usually not so good, if it wasn't a subject that was easy and made for me. A few times I've failed in a critical exam due that. But I've never missed due to gaming, when I was employed. The list of important games: - my first mud - Quake 2, Starcraft, Diablo 2 (played during critical exam times) - Neocron ( for 2 years, more than 35h per week) - Unreal, Thief 1+2, Deus Ex, Max Payne etc, Gothic 1+2, played till the end like marathons) - some other MMORPGs, WoW ( full-time a few months) I think something is wrong with me and setting wrong priorities, not with games.
Kldraina	Posted - 2006.07.19 23:10:00 - [20] The basic problem, is that everyone is looking for something in life, and too often, the only place they find it is in online games. If they could find what they were looking for in ordinary life, in their relationships with familiy, friends, and SO's, then gaming addictions would be far less frequent.

Marshy 3rd	Posted - 2006.07.20 11:03:00 - [21] Ok let me put it this way. I dont have a girlfriend but i have a job and i have a volanteer job. I get home from work play eve. I go bed i get up play eve unless something else to do, go to work. If a freind rings up and wants me to go out i will im not that addicted. what is so wrong with people who emerse themselves in games. We have Wars, global warming, floods, heatwaves, People starving, people getting run over, people dying, depressing storys in the news all the time rubbish on tv . No wander people play computer games especially online games. Its not antisocial as ya talking with 1000's of other players online. ya safe in the house and ya can let everyone else worry about the real world online games are so much more interesting :). Though when i get a girlfriend im sure my online gaming will have to stop but until then Bring on MMORPg's :) maybe if the bbc reporters spent more time playing games and less time trying to find news storys they would have a healthier outlook on life. I find my self less stressed than other people i work with. Im calmer, More composed and smile a lot more than people who dont relax and play games. Im a gamer and proud of it http://www.xtreme-eve.co.uk
Miss Overlord	Posted - 2006.07.20 11:07:00 - [22] i admit to 3x 16 hour days a week and then 4 hours a day for the other 3 days and a day off eve (fit in a part time high earning job and a reasonable socail life) i have taken some breaks for longer period but yeah eves a bit addictive
Izo Azlion Veto.	Posted - 2006.07.20 11:11:00 - [23] I play EVE alot... But the way I see it, like others here... I dont want to ride a bike, play football (Soccer for you american lads) or go out and get **** off my head on beer and drugs every night... I want to sit here and escape. That isnt to say I dont go out and get drunk, or dont do any sport. The fact is, I cant do my fav sport here because we have no snow, (Skiing ftw!!) and I dont want to feel like from a hangover every day. Sure I've spent the last 12 hours... like 6 of those have been EVE, 6 have been sleep, that sounds pretty bad, but tonight I've got work, tomorrow I'm goin out with a loada friends to a pub in the afternoon, then back here for a bbq.... I fail to see how EVE is stopping my social life. Infact, its probably expanding it. I plan to drive into Europe next year, and when i do I plan on meeting a friend of mine from EVE. Theres other people I'd love to meet too. People **ing about gaming simply know nothing of the thrill, friendship and laughs you can have... I think their the closed minded ones. Izo Azlion.* --- Veto.
Dufas Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.20 11:15:00 - [24] Its a hobby ... enjoy it POWER GAMERS UNITE!!!!! __________
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.20 11:19:00 - [25] Is this real life? What is real life? Are you sure we are all not living in a simulated world? Are you very certain real life is real life? May be the rabbit hole has no depth. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Gariuys Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.20 11:20:00 - [26] Whatever works for you. Addiction only becomes a problem when it's either destructive to your own health/well being or those of those around you. Avoid that, and what's the problem? And Dangerous, if you're happy with that, can deal with that. I don't really see the problem. Although I wouldn't go that far. Must say though, that I used to be a serious gamer, but ever since I've had a girl, gaming has taken the backseat big time. I'd rather spend 10 minutes with her then game 10 hours... best addiction breaking there is. Women. ( unless it's smoking geez talk about a hard addiction to break )
Marshy 3rd	Posted - 2006.07.20 11:21:00 - [27] http://www.olganon.org/About/about.html just found this link on that bbc site lol what ever next goverment gonna ban online gaming:) http://www.xtreme-eve.co.uk
Gariuys Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.20 11:27:00 - [28] Originally by: Marshy 3rd http://www.olganon.org/About/about.html just found this link on that bbc site lol what ever next goverment gonna ban online gaming:) Hmmm while I can understand a site like that, I find the religious link a bit strange to be honest... there's more ways to beat bad habits then becoming a Amarrian.
flaetriu	Posted - 2006.07.20 12:09:00 - [29] hi , being a new comer to eve (just over 3 month old character), i have to say this game is enjoyable to play and to interact with fellow gamers but no way for it to be called addictive. i have a full time job (uk armed forces), lovely gf and do the other things in life like sports (ice hockey) and even war gamming (gw). Yes i do spend several evenings and some of the weekend playing eve maybe 4, 5 or 6 hours at a time. A plus for this has to be i am not spending as much money as i would if i was going out all the time. i can save money and look forward to having holidays and buying a house eventually.
K'reemy G'udness Delicious	Posted - 2006.07.20 13:40:00 - [30] Originally by: Sad Wifey "The sad truth is my husband spent 11 hours today playing his Warcraft game. He did not interact with our sweet tiny baby because there were important quests waiting online." I'm feeding my daughter as I read this. What is Delicious?



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