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Tkotm Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.19 13:57:00 - [1] Sunday 2 April, incoming message from Myyhera broadcasted on all Minmatar Channels: " The Wings of Maak leave the Ushra'Khan alliance. We are tired of the complete lack of reaction from the Minmatar republic, we are tired of been called terrorists or even worse pirates! We are freedom fighters, we fight for our enslaved brothers, but we cannot achieve our goals without the backing of our government... So until the parliament changes it's point of view and changes this cold war into an open war, we will keep our distances. We will never be able to change anything while we are punished by our authorities when we kill a slaver or stoped by our customs when we try to bring back our freed brothers to their home. " Monday 3 April, Members of The Wings of Maak corporation rally under a new banner 'Maak Inc.'. We want to leave the republic and its incapable bureaucrats behind. We have approached the GA alliance in order to be able to hold our own region//constelation where we would be able to make our own laws. Wesneday 7 Juin, A Matari Mothership vanishes while under Captain Karishal Muritor's command. We are intrigued by the story, especially as the republic's parliament outdoes itself once more as they are unable to explain its disappearance. Meanwhile the Amarr Empire is putting pressure on Concord to find the position of the ship. Saturday 1 July, some will call it a coincidence, the more extravagant will call it the will of god. On the same day that the GA alliance suffers a crushing defeat in the north, questions are finally been answered on the Motherships disapereance: "If you would stand before me and call this state of affairs in which we are held right and true, then I am sure that it is better for me and my men to fight and die without any right than to live in such a lie." - Captain Muritor Is this the sign we have been waiting for? Is the Republic finally waking up? It's a difficult decision but the orders are given: "It is time for us aswell to stop living a lie, The Minmatar Republic wishes to stay blind, so be it. Terrorists? Pirates? Regardless of what Concord thinks, it will be very ill-advised for any Amarr or slaver to travel unprotected or to mine in belts from now on. It is time for us to return home, please start the move to Nakah where our Thukker brothers will be freeing up an office for us. Even though most of our operations will be based around empire, we will bring all the support we can to our brothers and friends Ushra'Khan."
Graelyn Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.19 17:42:00 - [2] Again? Minister of Foreign Affairs - Aegis Militia Fleet Admiral/CEO - The Aeternus Crusade
Dantalus Portos Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.19 18:15:00 - [3] Edited by: Dantalus Portos on 19/07/2006 18:16:40 I would urge my Amarrian brothers to take the resurgence of Maak very seriously. They are misguided, they are terrorists, but their pilots are skilled and they do not fear battle. Their destruction is inevitable but their threats should not be taken lightly. Maak's treachery and wantan ways will only be cleansed by the purifying light of Amarrian lasers. I look forward to the day when Tkotm's corpse is in stasis within my cargo hold. Amarr Victor!
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.19 18:20:00 - [4] We shall see you burn, Terrorists. Deus Vult! PIE Website PIE public channel:'PIE Public'
Karn Mithralia Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.20 00:25:00 - [5] It will be good to fly with you and your brothers again Tkotm. Death to slavers! ----------------------------------------- Now recruiting.
Nooey Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2006.07.20 02:12:00 - [6] Originally by: Dantalus Portos I look forward to the day when Tkotm's corpse is in stasis within my cargo hold. I could provide you with one... ____
Camar Stormriders	Posted - 2006.07.20 02:40:00 - [7] Excellent news indeed, welcome back Tkotm and Maak!
Ricardo ilMagnifico Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.07.20 02:59:00 - [8] Welcome brethren!
zoolkhan Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.20 05:27:00 - [9] Originally by: Graelyn Again? fear? U'K recruit!
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.07.20 05:43:00 - [10] This is great news brothers. I look forward to seeing you on the battlefield and at the bar. Originally by: zoolkhan Originally by: Graelyn Again? fear? >> RECRUITING <<
Leonidas Rex Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.20 11:31:00 - [11] Edited by: Leonidas Rex on 20/07/2006 11:36:54 Your resoning is flawed and your cause is pointless. The minmatarr are not slaves, they have no need for freedom as they are already free in the best way anyone can hope to be. Free to serve the Amarr nation. The Minmatar are volunteers that we Amarr chose to help build a greater futute for the Amarr race, be proud and happy that we have given you a meaning in your otherwise pointless existence, be proud and happy that you have recieved the honor to serve the Amarr in a cause that is far greater than your primative minds can understand. I am not unreasonable, abandon this flawed path you pursue and join your brothers and sisters in humble service of the Amarr nation. When the age of man has passed, who then will tell our stories? Who will look back and wonder? Who will remember those before us? Who will know of the pains, sacrifices and joys we had?
Tavor Jeager Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.20 12:06:00 - [12] I do not know what worse Amarrian the possibility you may actually belive the rubbish you speak or that you would expect us too. My people will be free even if I have to walk over the shatterd corpses of every single one of you slaver scum to do so. To Maak welcome I look forward to flying with you.
Mebrithiel Ju'wien Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.20 12:39:00 - [13] Originally by: Nooey Originally by: Dantalus Portos I look forward to the day when Tkotm's corpse is in stasis within my cargo hold. I could provide you with one... I'll take 3! Oh, and any Amarr you got there? Seriously, when did you start bartering corpses away? Even we don't do that! We give the good corpses to our allies as presents.
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.20 12:41:00 - [14] Quote: Is this the sign we have been waiting for? Is the Republic finally waking up? Please bear in mind in all these conversations that Karishal Muritor is acting on his own, without the sanction of his superior officers or his government. However noble his motives, currently he is a deserter on board of a stolen ship. Moreover, he has refused all efforts of contact from those who would seek a diplomatic solution. This hardly sounds like the go sign from our government to me. Peace in a pod - Liberty Network Gradient is hiring
Rodj Blake Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.20 13:12:00 - [15] Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon Quote: Is this the sign we have been waiting for? Is the Republic finally waking up? Please bear in mind in all these conversations that Karishal Muritor is acting on his own, without the sanction of his superior officers or his government. However noble his motives, currently he is a deserter on board of a stolen ship. Unless the Minmatar leadership is looking for plausible deniability Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.20 13:18:00 - [16] Quote: Unless the Minmatar leadership is looking for plausible deniability Certainly anything seems possible for a paranoid mind, or one looking for an excuse for war. It would not surprise me the least to learn that there are Amarr factions who would like nothing better than to blame the deeds of individual criminals on the Matari in general. Every nation has their warmongers. Peace in a pod - Liberty Network Gradient is hiring
Khaldorn Murino Kinda'Shujaa Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.07.20 13:36:00 - [17] Edited by: Khaldorn Murino on 20/07/2006 13:36:31 Glad to see you back lads. Im sure Puls4r owes me a few beers and I will take delivery of them at Unity station. :) - Rise.
Tkotm Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.20 13:49:00 - [18] Captain Karishal Muritor a deserter ? The deserters are all those with minmatars blood in their veins and who can sleep the night without doing anything for all our brothers and sisters who are still enslaved. Karishal Muritor is a Hero, an exemple and he can be sure he can count on all of us.
Rodj Blake Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.20 13:54:00 - [19] Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon Quote: Unless the Minmatar leadership is looking for plausible deniability Certainly anything seems possible for a paranoid mind, or one looking for an excuse for war. It would not surprise me the least to learn that there are Amarr factions who would like nothing better than to blame the deeds of individual criminals on the Matari in general. Every nation has their warmongers. The Minmatar Republic trained Muritor. They promoted him. They equipped him. Either their vetting procedures failed to pick up on the fact that he's an unbalanced warmonger, or he's acting with their consent. Bearing in mind that their efforts to track him down seem somewhat lacking, the second possibility cannot be ruled out. Either way, the Republic bears at least some of the responsibility for his actions. Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.20 13:58:00 - [20] Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 20/07/2006 14:12:48 Quote: Karishal Muritor is a Hero, an exemple and he can be sure he can count on all of us. Muritor left the fleet he was serving in, without leave, taking with him ships and personnel he had no authorization to take. He has refused to negotiate about it, and has refused to return. You can argue to the end of time that he did this out of good motives, you can call him a hero, and you can agree with him, but nothing you say cannot change the fact that those acts were acts of betrayal and theft. And betrayal and theft rarely "wakes anyone up" in the sense that you speak of here, calling the betrayed to arms on the traitor's side. Edited to add: Amarr, why don't you stay out of it? As is, this is a Matari internal matter. Peace in a pod - Liberty Network Gradient is hiring
Derran Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.20 14:44:00 - [21] Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon Every nation has their warmongers. And blind idealists.
Aran Cole Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.20 17:52:00 - [22] Originally by: zoolkhan Originally by: Graelyn Again? fear? Fear? Not so much. I just hope that the pilot known as BABARR has rejoined. I have a personal score to settle with him and I have learned much since our first meetings. _______________________
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.20 23:45:00 - [23] Considering that he is talking of directly attacking the Amarr Empire with his 'stolen' ships. I dont think its an internal Matari issue anymore. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Vera Nosfyu Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.21 02:15:00 - [24] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Considering that he is talking of directly attacking the Amarr Empire with his 'stolen' ships. I dont think its an internal Matari issue anymore. And what do you suppose to do about it? Retaliate and attack the Republic? By all means, please. I would like nothing more than if you forced the hands of the slackers, cowards, and idealists who would otherwise keep themselves at arms length. ----------------------------------------------------------- "Violence solves all problems, no man, no problem." --Josef Stalin
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.07.21 07:43:00 - [25] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon Quote: Unless the Minmatar leadership is looking for plausible deniability Certainly anything seems possible for a paranoid mind, or one looking for an excuse for war. It would not surprise me the least to learn that there are Amarr factions who would like nothing better than to blame the deeds of individual criminals on the Matari in general. Every nation has their warmongers. The Minmatar Republic trained Muritor. They promoted him. They equipped him. Either their vetting procedures failed to pick up on the fact that he's an unbalanced warmonger, or he's acting with their consent. Bearing in mind that their efforts to track him down seem somewhat lacking, the second possibility cannot be ruled out. Either way, the Republic bears at least some of the responsibility for his actions. Declare war on everyone, especially innocents. Amarr diplomacy is so predictable. Your rationale, and I hesitate to use the term when describing your blatherings, is flawed. Then again it could be argued your entire "culture" is flawed but I'll save that for another day. I live in Providence and when hunting terrorists, slavers and pirates in neighbouring regions I can't help but notice the Empire has a Sansha problem. When will you be declaring war on the Caldari State? Sansha Kuvakei was a Caldari, they trained him, they must be responsible for his actions. Perhaps you should ally with anyone who ever fell prey to the Guristas, after all Fatal and The Rabbit were both Caldari Navy officers before becoming outlaws. Perhaps everyone should hold what is left of the Amarr Empire responsible for every atrocity comitted by the Blood Raiders? They are an offshoot of the Empire that were declared outlaw by one of your Emperors if I recall. By your twisted idea of logic the Amarr Empire is, at least in part, responsible for the attack on Mabnen. >> RECRUITING <<
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.21 08:37:00 - [26] Originally by: Derran Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon Every nation has their warmongers. And blind idealists. And diplomats, loyalists, heros, anarchists, pirates, thieves, and traitors. Yes. Thrace argues my point, which I cannot say I like too much under current circumstances, but I must admit he still does it well. Peace in a pod - Liberty Network Gradient is hiring
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.21 08:37:00 - [27] Originally by: Derran Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon Every nation has their warmongers. And blind idealists. And diplomats, loyalists, heros, anarchists, pirates, thieves, and traitors. Your point? Thrace gave you my argument, which I cannot say I like too much under current circumstances, but I must admit he still does it well. Peace in a pod - Liberty Network Gradient is hiring
Rodj Blake Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.21 10:26:00 - [28] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 21/07/2006 10:33:49 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 21/07/2006 10:32:57 Originally by: Telemicus Thrace Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon Quote: Unless the Minmatar leadership is looking for plausible deniability Certainly anything seems possible for a paranoid mind, or one looking for an excuse for war. It would not surprise me the least to learn that there are Amarr factions who would like nothing better than to blame the deeds of individual criminals on the Matari in general. Every nation has their warmongers. The Minmatar Republic trained Muritor. They promoted him. They equipped him. Either their vetting procedures failed to pick up on the fact that he's an unbalanced warmonger, or he's acting with their consent. Bearing in mind that their efforts to track him down seem somewhat lacking, the second possibility cannot be ruled out. Either way, the Republic bears at least some of the responsibility for his actions. Declare war on everyone, especially innocents. Amarr diplomacy is so predictable. Your rationale, and I hesitate to use the term when describing your blatherings, is flawed. Then again it could be argued your entire "culture" is flawed but I'll save that for another day. I live in Providence and when hunting terrorists, slavers and pirates in neighbouring regions I can't help but notice the Empire has a Sansha problem. When will you be declaring war on the Caldari State? Sansha Kuvakei was a Caldari, they trained him, they must be responsible for his actions. Perhaps you should ally with anyone who ever fell prey to the Guristas, after all Fatal and The Rabbit were both Caldari Navy officers before becoming outlaws. Perhaps everyone should hold what is left of the Amarr Empire responsible for every atrocity comitted by the Blood Raiders? They are an offshoot of the Empire that were declared outlaw by one of your Emperors if I recall. By your twisted idea of logic the Amarr Empire is, at least in part, responsible for the attack on Mabnen. As ever, you take things completely out of context in an attempt to score cheap political points. The Guristas and Sanshas have shown themselves to be as much of a risk to the Caldari State as to the Amarr Empire. Muritor has not threatened the Republic. The Blood Raiders have been hounded and harrassed by Imperial forces since they were declared heretics. Muritor has so far been allowed to go about his business without any interference from the Republic. If you bother to read my earlier comments, you will notice that I do not claim that Muritor is working for the Republic, merely that he may be. Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.21 11:11:00 - [29] Quote: Muritor has not threatened the Republic. Not directly. However, his theft is a blow, and the havoc he can cause to international relatinships is a very real threat. I assure you, too, that loyal forces are in motion to seek a solution that will be favourable to as many parties as possible, and that those forces are not working with Muritor as long as he remains an outlaw. Yet, we will also do our best to avoid violence between the Matari as long as is at all possible. Peace in a pod - Liberty Network Gradient is hiring
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.21 11:30:00 - [30] Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 21/07/2006 11:29:52 Quote: After he stole Republic assets and was made an outlaw the Repblic has engaged in a man hunt. If this refers to the operations I am aware of, calling it "manhunt" is nothing but propaganda. Which I suppose is enough said on a public forum. Peace in a pod - Liberty Network Gradient is hiring
Rodj Blake Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.21 11:44:00 - [31] Originally by: Telemicus Thrace As ever you raise irrelevant details in a pathetic attempt to draw attention away from the clear and simple point I made. You claimed that the Republic hold responsibility for Muritor because he trained there. I simply pointed out how stupid your comments were. I raised irrelevant details? Correct me if I'm wrong, but it was you who started talking about Blood Raiders, Sanshas and Guristas. Quote: After he stole Republic assets and was made an outlaw the Repblic has engaged in a man hunt. I'd call that interference, if PIE Inc can do any better please show us. I'll give you a clue though, he probably ain't flying an unarmed hoarder so you pilots may be a touch outclassed. I'm sure that this manhunt will prove to be a fruitless one. Whether that's due to the normal Republic incompetence or something more sinister remains to be seen. I can also assure you that we are capable of destroying far more than unarmed hoarders. Should you choose to fly one though, you should know that you will be shown no mercy. Quote: Is that the shrinking of Amarrian glands I can hear? arguing a minor point of grammar so you don't make an explicit accusation? Why so afraid? "he may be working for the Republic"? well in that case I may be the Amarrian Emperor in disguise, your god may have been created by the Fedo who are just playing dumb and have a good laugh at your expense. If you want to start throwing accusations around and rattling that little sabre of yours do it properly. Only a closed mind rules out the possible. Only an insane mind rules in the impossible. In this thread you have so far shown your mind to be both closed and insane. Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori
Rocius Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.07.21 12:58:00 - [32] Originally by: Vera Nosfyu And what do you suppose to do about it? Retaliate and attack the Republic? By all means, please. I would like nothing more than if you forced the hands of the slackers, cowards, and idealists who would otherwise keep themselves at arms length. What gives YOU the right to decide what is in the best interst of the Republic. You have long since abandonded it to fend for itself. While you are out doing your own thing, those of us that want to see the Republic built up, for what is no doubt an inevitable war are here, at home, working to see she is ready for it. So if you wish to be on the fringes, living on your own, so be it, but do not even begin to claim anything otherwise. If your not working for the GOOD of the Republic, then you are working against it. I see loyalists called cowards and slackers very often, and frankly it irrates the hell out of me. Personaly, I find that the courage and conviction displayed by those that strive to make things better at HOME, far greater than the cowardice I see in many, that stand from afar and cast stones. Rocius CEO, Gradient
Camar Stormriders	Posted - 2006.07.21 14:52:00 - [33] What would give YOU the same right mr. Rocius? And claiming an SRS pilot has abonded the republic is just ignorant. We have stated on several occasions where our loyalty lies. Both do we act, but in different ways, but should we claim Gradient has abonded the republic? Have we EVER done that? And perhaps Vera's words were aimed to those inside the republic goverment who only cares about their own personal power and wealth? So why do you feel targeted by the terms "Slacker/Coward"?
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.21 15:18:00 - [34] Hearing you say you are loyal, and seeing you act against the laws and international treaties our Republic has signed, seeking to bring down a conflict that would drown us - which do you think speak louder, actions or words, Camar? Peace in a pod - Liberty Network Gradient is hiring
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.07.21 15:42:00 - [35] Edited by: Telemicus Thrace on 21/07/2006 15:43:44 Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Telemicus Thrace As ever you raise irrelevant details in a pathetic attempt to draw attention away from the clear and simple point I made. You claimed that the Republic hold responsibility for Muritor because he trained there. I simply pointed out how stupid your comments were. I raised irrelevant details? Correct me if I'm wrong, but it was you who started talking about Blood Raiders, Sanshas and Guristas. Yes, perfect examples of why it is rediculous for you to hold a state responsible for actions commited by groups that state regards as outlaws simply because those outlaws were once members of that state. If you still can't understand that simple point I'm just going to have to write you off as a retard. Originally by: Rodj Blake Quote: Is that the shrinking of Amarrian glands I can hear? arguing a minor point of grammar so you don't make an explicit accusation? Why so afraid? "he may be working for the Republic"? well in that case I may be the Amarrian Emperor in disguise, your god may have been created by the Fedo who are just playing dumb and have a good laugh at your expense. If you want to start throwing accusations around and rattling that little sabre of yours do it properly. Only a closed mind rules out the possible. Only an insane mind rules in the impossible. In this thread you have so far shown your mind to be both closed and insane. Insane and closed minded. Wow. You really do talk a lot of krud don't you. >> RECRUITING <<
Rocius Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.07.21 16:34:00 - [36] Edited by: Rocius on 21/07/2006 16:34:42 Originally by: Camar What would give YOU the same right mr. Rocius? And claiming an SRS pilot has abonded the republic is just ignorant. We have stated on several occasions where our loyalty lies. Both do we act, but in different ways, but should we claim Gradient has abonded the republic? Have we EVER done that? And perhaps Vera's words were aimed to those inside the republic goverment who only cares about their own personal power and wealth? So why do you feel targeted by the terms "Slacker/Coward"? Well, Camar to be honest, the basic fact that I have stayed home, and worked tirelessly for nothing other than to see the infrastructure of the Repubic strengthened is a good start. Of course, not running around dropping tactical nukes on civilian populations in a vain attempt to agress the situation beyond control kinda work in my favor a bit as well I would think. Trying to incite a full scale war Camar, does nothing but harm to the Republic. You know damn well that the Amarr Empire is a vast powerful nation. For the Republic to take that on, is something that will take carefull and dedicated planning, not running around like a rabid slaver hound attacking anything that moves. It is of no regard to me where Vera's words were pointed, as she painted the entire Republic with a broad stroke, she attacks all that are loyal to it. There is problems inside the Government, that is something that I have personaly NEVER spoken against. With politics, comes corruption. I would think that be a universal law, its in their basic nature. There are a great many changes that I would like to see happen within The Republic, but I stay, with a steadfast dedication to the principle of the Republic. It is far easier to stand at a distance and ridicule things, it takes much more courage to stand up and work to change them properly. I hope that the day comes, that many of these petty differences can be put behind us. I do not like standing on opposite sides from my brethren like this, it saddens me greatly to do so. But so strong is my belief, that The Republic is our one greatest hope of seeing our enslaved kin one day set free, that I will indeed do what it takes to see it done. Rocius CEO, Gradient
Tomahawk Bliss	Posted - 2006.07.21 17:40:00 - [37] Originally by: Camar Divide et impera
Camar Stormriders	Posted - 2006.07.21 17:57:00 - [38] There is one very big difference though Tomahawk, SRS will not declare war on Gradient for their views or for whatever they wishes to call us. We know what we do, where we stand and Gradient holds no power or sway what so ever over that. They wish to bring change their way, we in our way. WE could not stay idle while amarrians trespassed into (and still do) minmatar space kidnapping and killing our brethren. What I do not understand is why they speak against those who take up arms against those slavers while they themselves help the infrastructure. How would it be possible to build all that and try and create a peaceful future when your neighbour constanly burns down what you build and kill your children? SRS is still based inside republic space and are contributing in every way we can think of. Is it not true that the republic sends military-intrusions into amarr space as well? A treaty or written rule would be words and minmatar navy ships inside amarr space action. So yes, actions do speak louder then words.
Aran Cole Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.21 18:38:00 - [39] Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss Originally by: Camar Divide et impera _______________________
Al Haquis Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.21 20:24:00 - [40] HELLO CAN PEOPLE W**K OFF , Some where else with this silly polictical disucssion. Only think that actually matter is that, I Have A Hard On For The Wings of Maak You kill them good guys. With Love from Al Haquis ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Council Member, Tahiri Warrior Masuat'aa Forums
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.07.22 05:12:00 - [41] Originally by: Al Haquis HELLO CAN PEOPLE W**K OFF , Some where else with this silly polictical disucssion. Only think that actually matter is that, I Have A Hard On For The Wings of Maak You kill them good guys. With Love from Al Haquis HAhahahahaaar!! Well said. You are right. Fly fast and strike hard brothers >> RECRUITING <<
Sherisha Janeer	Posted - 2006.07.23 01:27:00 - [42] For all our differences, the Amarr races have a tendacny to agree on one major point. We are supierior in everyway to the Minimitar. What we also agree on, though our techniques may differ, is that eventually you are destined for one destiny alone, to serve us. Your very failure to see eye to eye only emphasises this one truth. You can't even agree on who is loyal to their people or who is loyal to their nation. We Amarrians see people and nation as one in the whole, service and deferance are on eand the same, that is why we maintain the upper hand, and always will.
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.07.23 02:08:00 - [43] Originally by: Sherisha Janeer ...We are supierior in everyway to the Minimitar... This makes me laugh every time I see it. Originally by: Sherisha Janeer ...We Amarrians see people and nation as one in the whole... The Khanid Kingdom is made up of Amarrians yet is seperate from the Empire. The Blood Raiders are an Amarrian cult yet they are not part of your nation. The Verisum Family are Amarrians, do you still consider them part of the Empire? There are plenty of Amarrians who seek reform within the Empire and an end to slavery. They will kill you just as surly as I will. Are they part of your Empire still? Of course these are simple facts, presented simply. A cretin like you won't be able to grasp them. I'm sure we can expect another clueless and nonsense response from some fanatical moron who will atempt to refute these facts and also tell us the Eve Gate is made from cream cheese. Save it, we are not interested in your gibberings here. As Al so succinctly put it take the **** elsewhere. >> RECRUITING <<
zenofmoo Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.23 05:02:00 - [44] So I think the solution to this bit of news is quite simple, either the Minmatar Republic can take care of this threat to The Amarr Empire, or we will be forced to dispatch this threat ourselves. I'm not entirely sure why this is even a discussion. By the Republics own admission these are traitirs and deserters, WHO should dispatch them should matter not.
Rodj Blake Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.23 09:13:00 - [45] Originally by: Telemicus Thrace Originally by: Sherisha Janeer ...We Amarrians see people and nation as one in the whole... The Khanid Kingdom is made up of Amarrians yet is seperate from the Empire. The Blood Raiders are an Amarrian cult yet they are not part of your nation. The Verisum Family are Amarrians, do you still consider them part of the Empire? There are plenty of Amarrians who seek reform within the Empire and an end to slavery. They will kill you just as surly as I will. Are they part of your Empire still? Of course these are simple facts, presented simply. A cretin like you won't be able to grasp them. I'm sure we can expect another clueless and nonsense response from some fanatical moron who will atempt to refute these facts and also tell us the Eve Gate is made from cream cheese. Save it, we are not interested in your gibberings here. As Al so succinctly put it take the **** elsewhere. I refer you to your earlier statement, where you agree with Al Haquis that this is not the place for political discussion. Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.07.23 09:41:00 - [46] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Telemicus Thrace Originally by: Sherisha Janeer ...We Amarrians see people and nation as one in the whole... The Khanid Kingdom is made up of Amarrians yet is seperate from the Empire. The Blood Raiders are an Amarrian cult yet they are not part of your nation. The Verisum Family are Amarrians, do you still consider them part of the Empire? There are plenty of Amarrians who seek reform within the Empire and an end to slavery. They will kill you just as surly as I will. Are they part of your Empire still? Of course these are simple facts, presented simply. A cretin like you won't be able to grasp them. I'm sure we can expect another clueless and nonsense response from some fanatical moron who will atempt to refute these facts and also tell us the Eve Gate is made from cream cheese. Save it, we are not interested in your gibberings here. As Al so succinctly put it take the **** elsewhere. I refer you to your earlier statement, where you agree with Al Haquis that this is not the place for political discussion. Did you make it all the way to my last sentance or did I use too many long words for you again? >> RECRUITING <<
Sherisha Janeer	Posted - 2006.07.23 10:00:00 - [47] Originally by: Telemicus Thrace The Khanid Kingdom is made up of Amarrians yet is seperate from the Empire. The Blood Raiders are an Amarrian cult yet they are not part of your nation. The Verisum Family are Amarrians, do you still consider them part of the Empire? There are plenty of Amarrians who seek reform within the Empire and an end to slavery. They will kill you just as surly as I will. Are they part of your Empire still? Of course these are simple facts, presented simply. A cretin like you won't be able to grasp them. I'm sure we can expect another clueless and nonsense response from some fanatical moron who will atempt to refute these facts and also tell us the Eve Gate is made from cream cheese. Save it, we are not interested in your gibberings here. As Al so succinctly put it take the **** elsewhere. All society has it's elements and levels of herasy. As Khanid I know all to well the stigma of heretic, and yet none can deny the Khanid's dedication to old Amarrian ideals and traditions. The small pockets who seek "reformation" are soon swayed to our way ofthinking after a Minimatr animal has killed their mother's, father's, brothers and sisters. Many Khanid still serve the Empire, those most loyal to the interests of the Kingdom do seek better relations with the Empire and heal old wounds. Our family disagreements should not be confused with the ancient tribal bloodfueds your race was so accustoned too when we arrived and bought peace to your barbaric system. Your republic, for what it is, is but a tiny step in the right direction for a civilised culture. But you still have much to learn before you can achieve the enlightenment of true civilisation. You are still a fractured nation, biting at each other's heals. YOu cannot accept one leader out of many chiefs, and you have more "traitors" to your whatever ideals your mongrol race decide are prevelant to the moment at hand.
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.23 10:42:00 - [48] Quote: The small pockets who seek "reformation" are soon swayed to our way of thinking after a Minmatar animal has killed their mothers, fathers, brothers and sisters. There are Matari factions who do not endorse attacks on civilian populations. In addition, you have to understand that this hatred towards your people in those who do stems from similiar and worse barbarian actions against ours. The reformation you speak of is your best chance of avoiding the incidents you fear. Fighting those among you who seek a peaceful solution and supporting those who do not serves only to provoke more bloodshed. Peace in a pod - Liberty Network Gradient is hiring
Sherisha Janeer	Posted - 2006.07.23 11:08:00 - [49] Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon There are Matari factions who do not endorse attacks on civilian populations. In addition, you have to understand that this hatred towards your people in those who do stems from similiar and worse barbarian actions against ours. The reformation you speak of is your best chance of avoiding the incidents you fear. Fighting those among you who seek a peaceful solution and supporting those who do not serves only to provoke more bloodshed. The Amatar and their so called "enlightend" ilk are well known to the Khanid, though personally I see them as little more than well trained cattle. Favoured slaves who have learned their place well. As for the more "peaceful" amongst you, I recognise this well too. It is better to submit to the dragon, than spit in his face. Your efforts at "peace" will not go unnoticed. Indeed, from time to time you are rewarded for your wisdom. As for reformation. One cannot change what has worked so well millenia before your people even discovered how to set sail on seas. Our empire became great because of it.
Rodj Blake Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.23 12:48:00 - [50] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 23/07/2006 12:51:20 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 23/07/2006 12:50:26 Originally by: Telemicus Thrace Did you make it all the way to my last sentance or did I use too many long words for you again? Making political statements with a "this is not the place for politics" caveat does not make you a clever debater. It makes you a hypocrite. Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.07.24 03:00:00 - [51] Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 23/07/2006 12:51:20 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 23/07/2006 12:50:26 Originally by: Telemicus Thrace Did you make it all the way to my last sentance or did I use too many long words for you again? Making political statements with a "this is not the place for politics" caveat does not make you a clever debater. It makes you a hypocrite. You and your lackys should make another thread for your drivel then. Posting it here then calling anyone who responds to it a hypocrite is weak. >> RECRUITING <<
Rodj Blake Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.24 07:25:00 - [52] Originally by: Telemicus Thrace Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 23/07/2006 12:51:20 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 23/07/2006 12:50:26 Originally by: Telemicus Thrace Did you make it all the way to my last sentance or did I use too many long words for you again? Making political statements with a "this is not the place for politics" caveat does not make you a clever debater. It makes you a hypocrite. You and your lackys should make another thread for your drivel then. Posting it here then calling anyone who responds to it a hypocrite is weak. I don't know who these lackeys that you're referring to are. I initially came to this thread to respond to comments here regarding the degenerate Minmatar Muritor and his self-styled defiants. Should I make a new thread every time I want to respond to something? I will, however, not be posting any more new information to this thread, because I think that I've said all that needs to be said. Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.07.24 09:49:00 - [53] Originally by: Rodj Blake .. Should I make a new thread every time I want to respond to something?.. Oh yeah, thats what I said. I wasn't just referring to this thread at all. Perhaps you should refrain from posting at all until you gain some basic comprehension skills. >> RECRUITING <<
Rodj Blake Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.24 10:25:00 - [54] Originally by: Telemicus Thrace Originally by: Rodj Blake .. Should I make a new thread every time I want to respond to something?.. Oh yeah, thats what I said. I wasn't just referring to this thread at all. Perhaps you should refrain from posting at all until you gain some basic comprehension skills. I refer you to my previous statement: Originally by: me I will, however, not be posting any more new information to this thread, because I think that I've said all that needs to be said. Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori
Tharrn Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.24 10:43:00 - [55] Each and every post of Telemicus seems to be absolutely devoid of content. Read one skillbook of 'Smacktalking for beginners' too much, haven't we? Welcome back to the fight, Maak. Interestint to see some 'Freedom Fighters' in Empire again. Now recruiting!
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.07.25 02:40:00 - [56] Originally by: Tharrn Each and every post of Telemicus seems to be absolutely devoid of content. Read one skillbook of 'Smacktalking for beginners' too much, haven't we? .. Really?, you have ignored all the perfectly valid points I have made and you and your bretheren have resorted instead to calling me a hypocrite and now smack talker. How classy. Your minions made political remarks which I felt compelled to respond to. My responses to you cannot refute or challenge so you resort to misquotes and insults. You and your kind routinely avoid any real debate or argument and constantly go for the cheap shot. Even now you insist or insulting me here leaving me the option to respond and be called a hypocrite again or to let this insult ride. A wise man once said "Never argue with fools, they will only drag you down to their level." I should have heeded his advice. Every time I try to speak to one of you filth it always degenerates to this. I will henceforce try to restrict myself to communicating with you via heavy artillery. I'll have to rely on other Matari to get an intelligent debate. >> RECRUITING <<

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