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Sibyyl
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Posted - 2014.08.18 03:50:00 -
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Carmen Electra wrote:As always, the devil is in the details. This is not cut-and-dried RMT. (Give me $20, I trade you 1b isk in-game). It is indirect and obfuscated. Is there anything stopping others from using this same scheme? Amazon sells plexes. All they need to do is implement a buy-back program, and they'd be doing the same thing as Somer.
Carm, I think it's pretty cut and dried.
Quote:19.4 Dollars per 1 Billion ISK
I don't know how much more of a blatant EULA violation we can get here..
GOB the Magician wrote:too big to fail!
This is exactly it.
CCP's policy on RMT is business driven (essentially like all EULA policies). If Somer's visibility is bringing cash to CCP's table, this would be a reason why an exception is made.
There are "haves" and "have-nots" in EVE, just like with anything else.
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Sibyyl
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Posted - 2014.08.18 05:41:00 -
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Carmen Electra wrote:Sib, I think the anti-RMT crusaders are being a bit sensationalistic by throwing out exchange rates like $19 per 1B. I'll admit I'm playing devil's advocate here. I don't personally know enough about the issue to take a stance on it. I'm certainly not qualified to argue the effect RMT has on the game on a macro scale.
However, I do personally see a difference between earning affiliate dollars by incentivizing your visitors to buy products using your referral links and selling 1b ISK on eBay for $20.
Hi Carm,
The math is included in the Reddit link and the poster mentions that their estimate is conservative ($0.875 per PLEX referral). Do you think this is an exaggerated amount?
You're saying you "see a difference", but can you tell me what the difference is exactly? Somer is paying 45m ISK and he gets $0.875 as a result. Scale that to 1b ISK and he's getting $19.
What exactly is the difference between Somer's RMT, and the RMT some sap who gets banned is doing?
I see no fundamental difference, except that Somer's volume may be considered a nice windfall for CCP's PLEX sales.
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Sibyyl
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Posted - 2014.08.18 06:28:00 -
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Carmen Electra wrote:The difference is that one way you sell ISK for RM. The other way you use ISK to get RM. It may seem like a petty/trivial distinction but it woudn't be the first time the "how" matters just as much if not more than the end result.
EDIT:
To be more clear (or maybe just more verbose). Somer is earning money like many other for-profit websites. Ads and/or affiliate/referral links. That is legitimately earned RM. How they incentivize people to click those links is a separate matter (or at least I think that's a reasonable way to look at it)
So I can incentivize someone to PayPal me $19 by sending them 1b ISK in game?
With my example, CCP will have lost** the exact same amount of money, and the exact same amount of ISK will have changed hands.
The difference would be the amount of money CCP would get to pocket.. about 17 PLEX worth (780m divided by 45m).
Should Jeff Bezos start incentivizing people with ISK to buy PLEX from Amazon?
Is what you're saying is that it's OK for referral partners to RMT?
**read: money from enduser that would normally go into CCP's pocket snatched by someone else
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.18 06:39:00 -
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I think what Carm is saying is:
When somebody pays ISK and gets RL money in return, this is RL money being taken away from CCP (since it would otherwise be used to purchase PLEX
When Somer pays ISK and gets RL money in return, this RL money is a sanctioned way to earn a percentage of a PLEX sale. In effect, the alleged RMTer (Somer, in this case) has "rendered unto Caesar" in the form of a referral contract
The small (45m or $0.875.. whatever you want to call it) RMT loss is insignificant to CCP, considering that they make a full PLEX sale in return.
That's my understanding anyway..
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