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Andski
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Posted - 2014.08.19 04:02:00 -
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Quote:Blink provides no extra ISK or bonus Blink credit for buying through the link. Instead, we make it easy to sell your PLEX and get your ISK quickly, no matter where you are-- no Jita alt required. This is a service, in keeping with CCP's new guidelines that ETC affiliate link rewards should be service-oriented.
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1. 1.Blink messaging: "Buy your Eve Time Codes through SOMER Blink and we'll buy your PLEX from you! No need to spend time flying to Jita to sell-- we guarantee we'll give you the best price!"
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GÇóPlayers who want more ISK value from their PLEX than they could get selling it by themselves will be encouraged to spend money on PLEX, since they are guaranteed the best price in the Eve universe
if you cannot see how this ambiguous wording was clearly intended to deceive the reader I have no words Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10911
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Posted - 2014.08.19 04:14:00 -
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Ohkewl wrote:So all Somer has to do is: 1. everyone buying plex through their site also needs to write an article (lets say min 3 max 20 words) 2. Somer buys these articles for isk and puts them on a websit 3. Markeedragon has a banner on the site and pays Somer for the advertising.
There you go, a legitemate newsite.
except that's not what TMC or other news sites do at all
keep grinding that axe though Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.19 04:20:00 -
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Cherry Yeyo wrote:The real question is: why is Somer emailing "Lisa" who is clearly a sales executive about this, and not a Senior GM or something..
Lisa is with CCP legal, not with sales Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10911
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Posted - 2014.08.19 05:09:00 -
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Ohkewl wrote:Minus the plex buying, it is what they do, buy articles for isk, get money from adds. TMC or Evenews24 doesnt buy just any article from anyone either. except for the articles that they don't pay ISK for (every article not related to EVE, articles written by writers who don't want ISK compensation or don't have EVE accounts)
they also don't buy just any article from anyone either because, well, they don't want crappy articles from illiterates Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.19 08:42:00 -
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Arkady Romanov wrote:Having said that; we'd all be a helluvah lot less testy if we weren't addressing the issue of RMT and/or favortism in relation to the same organisation not even 18 months after the first incident.
It hasn't even been a year. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.19 08:51:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Dude, As much as I agree with what you are saying and would love Somer to get permanently banned and every single isk in any wallet he has access to removed if CCP have legally agreed this with him then they might not be able to do anything.
I have have always said nothing CCP does surprises me anymore.. boy was I wrong lol
CCP would be immensely stupid to make any legally binding agreements with any of their players beyond the EULA.
When an MMO developer regards any individual player as a "business partner" rather than a customer, they're effectively sending the rest of their playerbase down **** creek. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.19 10:01:00 -
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Dilligafmofo wrote:How many eve players are there?
CCP now into 2nd day of investigations to pander to 50 -60 butthurt whiners on this subject.
Ya'll need to get a life.
Who is getting hurt here? how many have and continue to benefit from Somer's donations and sponsorship?
Band waggon jumpers the lot of you
1) Most players don't post on the forums but that's not a good reason to ignore the forums
2) 85 unique authors in this thread, 106 in the last, probably a whole lot more in last year's somergate threads. This isn't a small number of "butthurt whiners", sorry
3) Whether it affects any individual in this thread or not is irrelevant. There are a lot of things that scarcely affect you that you dislike and would protest.
4) Blink is not a charity, it is a for-profit enterprise in and out of game. Shocking, I know. Donations and sponsorship are solely for the sake of publicity. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.19 11:49:00 -
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Dilligafmofo wrote:Equality? in Eve? are you real?
Server shut downs to save fleets? The Goon string puller mittani is making more RL cash from his website advertisements than I bet Somer ever could.
And yet people scream equality - are you awake? can you even smell those roses?
Even if Mittens was pulling millions from his website every year (he's not, and if he was, he wouldn't be paying hobbyist writers with ISK, but professional writers with RL $$) it wouldn't be a problem because there are no "pay RL money, get ISK from us in return" transactions involved. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.19 12:48:00 -
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Maeltstome wrote:It's off-topic, but why wouldn't he pay them with isk? It's cheaper and has less legal ramifications for him: Essentially they are doing the work voluntarily (from a legal perspective). The instant he pays RL cash he becomes an employer.
Again, this is if TMC was pulling ludicrous ad revenue, which it's not. If it was, he'd easily be able to pay a full-time staff writer or two and deal with the legal requirements involved. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.19 12:50:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:Chera Frane wrote:I think that you are wrong in this. Most of the player base probably don't give a damn about what is going on with CCP and Somerblink. It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths.
just gonna drop that in my sig Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.19 14:18:00 -
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Talvorian Dex wrote:The question at hand is really whether Somer is breaking any rules by choosing to pay above market rate for PLEX in order to win that referral commission. Also, are they able to pay out straight isk, or is the bonus exclusively in blink deposit credit?
Take the PLEX out of the equation. If I give you ISK (or any other reward that could potentially be exchanged for in-game value) in exchange for buying something through an Amazon affiliate link that I provide you, we are both, without question, in violation of the rules.
The entire thing with the PLEX/ETC just convolutes it, but it doesn't make it any less shady. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10923
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Posted - 2014.08.19 14:28:00 -
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Also that e-mail chain is just disturbing. A player (Somerset Mahm is, first and foremost, a player) communicates with a CCP exec as if they are business partners. He may generate lots of ETC sales for CCP, but I don't see why that should open the door for regular personal communication with high-level management. Players who get scammed might also buy timecodes/PLEX to recover their losses, but I don't imagine that scammers have much direct communication with CCP execs.
I don't presume to make it my business how CCP interacts with its customers in any case, but regardless, that stinks to high heaven. Unless of course it was the result of a simple chain of escalation, or the VP of Sales basically is Sales Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.19 14:32:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:On and Falcon... How come you can't quote until the end of time and I can't?!?! WANT MOAR QUOTES!
He should check his moderator privilege Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.19 15:16:00 -
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Green Gambit wrote:Rain6637 wrote:Man, if only gambling was integrated with the game and players didn't need third party sites for it. CCP won't do that, as there are specific laws/regulations/taxes/etc that cover gambling in most places in the world. As you can convert real money into credits to gamble, CCPs business is running a MMORPG - not an online casino. Now third parties, like Somer Blink, who are encouraging people to buy credits to gamble, and actually running online casinos are responsible for making sure that they conform with laws/regulations/taxes/etc covering running an online casino.
I doubt they conform to the regulations for online casinos. I also doubt that those regulations have applied to them because there hasn't been a direct link between making a purchase and getting credits since their previous GTC bonus was shut down. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.19 15:21:00 -
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Edward Harris wrote:That is such an easy way out, isn't it Falcon? So apparently this was authorized by a VP position in CCP, but you simply refuse to man up and admit a mistake.
This tells me that if I personally were to communicate anything towards CCP and get an "OK, go ahead" from you, there is no way to know for sure if your internal communication will pass the information around. For me, this is the absolute worst that can happen, since I no longer have any trust whatsoever in anything CCP says.
If anything, this was a huge mistake on CCPs side and it should be seen as such, instead of the usual witchhunt you are actively promoting.
If CCP tell you "yes, you're allowed to do x" one day and change their minds later, it's well within their rights to do so. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.19 15:47:00 -
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Telerus Malix wrote:I simply do not understand the implications of this, Why is it of any concern to what somber blink does for promotions?
Because when it violates the rules that us mere mortals play by, it is of concern.
Telerus Malix wrote:people aren't being scammed
You don't know that.
Telerus Malix wrote:CCP couldn't stop it if they wanted to.
Yes they could. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.19 16:24:00 -
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Caius Sivaris wrote:You may not take it seriously, but as soon as RL money is involved, the taxman does. And he takes a dim view of loopholes used to run an unregulated (read, untaxed) operation.
markee dragon withholds affiliate payments past $600 in a year if he doesn't have a W-9 on file, and at the end of the year he sends affiliates making more than $600 from the program a 1099-MISC
stop looking for things that simply aren't the case Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.19 16:38:00 -
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100k USD isn't going to buy you a datacenter bro Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.19 16:46:00 -
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I was responding to this:
Ace Boogi wrote:The wording on blink last time and this time around is hilarious, he makes it sound like the affiliate money is only to help pay for server costs, implying that he actually uses his own money maintaining the site and that the ETC sales only help out a bit. However, how I remember it someone calculated he had made over 100K USD off this as of the last scandal in 2013, and that was a very conservative figure. I also recall mention of business locations, data centers, etc., being purchased - someone on the forums here had done research into the real-life Somer, including looking at public records, and while I cannot verify the veracity of those claims, they were pretty damning if indeed true.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10937
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Posted - 2014.08.19 16:49:00 -
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they're limited in the information they can release right now Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:26:00 -
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POS Trader wrote:Unless CCP stops ALL referral money, a business transaction, then this situation is unavoidable. SOMER does not directly exchange ISK -> $$$. What happens is he's incentivizing purchasing of PLEX through his referral program by paying more ISK for the PLEX than market price in Jita. This way he's losing ISK, and supposedly gaining *some* additional revenue. How much additional revenue? That's up to debate.
buy this rock for $200 and i'll buy a piece of trit from you for 15 billion isk
that way i'm losing money this can't possibly be against the rules right Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:47:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:He's a major contributor to events large and small. From fanfest to EVE Vegas. Of course the marketing dept would be very familiar with him.]
tell us more about somer blink being a charity Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:52:00 -
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Edward Harris wrote:Andski wrote:
tell us more about somer blink being a charity
He makes a profit, so he must be a criminal. Burn the witch! Reading this forum makes one lose all hope in humanity..
if he wants to make a fat profit in isk that's all fine
if he wants to turn his fat profits into real money that's not fine Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:57:00 -
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Edward Harris wrote:A discussion is much better and easier to hold if you stick to your previous argument and try to make a point, instead of throwing in one non-related argument after another.. Think about what you want to say first, then discuss. This just makes you look like someone who enjoys throwing tomatoes at ppl.
a discussion is also a lot better when you don't try to put words in my mouth Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.20 03:15:00 -
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Sentient Blade wrote:Let's be realistic, regardless of what the CCP verdict was on this case, SOMER was never going to be allowed to survive. The community demanded their pound of flesh, and that's what they got. Although some won't be happy until people have been burnt at the stake.
People who played his lotteries would have continued to do so. Somer would have had to come up with a different way of monetizing his site, and even if it makes millions it's fine as long as it doesn't involve anything that remotely resembles a conversion of ISK to real money. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.20 03:27:00 -
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Rroff wrote:I understand the basics of it I just don't have enough (factual) information to know/care if what somer is doing is "legal", meanwhile some of the biggest sources of anti-somer sentiment are easier to break down the motives behind what they are doing which are more often that not regardless of whether somer should or shouldn't be operating (EDIT: or in regard to post above methods of operating) far from orientating in any real concerns as to whether what somer is doing is wrong or not.
If you're trying to figure out the "motive" you'll only be sorely disappointed. EVE players don't like it when another player presumes to be above the rules. The outrage was entirely justified IMO. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.20 03:30:00 -
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Cherry Yeyo wrote:Andski wrote:People who played his lotteries would have continued to do so. Somer would have had to come up with a different way of monetizing his site, and even if it makes millions it's fine as long as it doesn't involve anything that remotely resembles a conversion of ISK to real money. At only 1000-2000 users per day this would never happen, they only thing he had to monetize was gobs of isk
I'm not suggesting it would make millions, I'm saying that it doesn't matter how successful he is at monetizing his site as long as it doesn't hint of RMT. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.20 04:11:00 -
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an upside is that idiots won't whisper "promo" on fleet comms every 10 minutes Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10957
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Posted - 2014.08.20 04:20:00 -
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the whisperers in CFC comms are usually from FCON too Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10959
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Posted - 2014.08.20 05:12:00 -
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Thatt Guy wrote:So since Somer can't use Eve to print RL money anymore, he closes up shop.
This should tell you all you need to know. He never cared for the community, or the players or Eve, just blinded by the almighty dollar.
To Somer: Take your ball and go home then, may the IRS bless you with an audit.
I agree that SOMER closing shop is highly indicative that he only pursued RL profits, but I doubt the guy is dumb enough to evade taxes in the US. The Iron Bank (sorry, IRS) will have its due. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10965
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Posted - 2014.08.20 05:37:00 -
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Ace Boogi wrote:*redacted*
No need to beat around the bush. Call it what it is. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10965
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Posted - 2014.08.20 05:37:00 -
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Rain6637 wrote:SOMER's games are consistent in generating more ISK than he puts into them.
people in this thread have pointed out SOMER is not a charity... so outside of the closed loop of SOMER games that simply generate more ISK, what do you suppose he should do with his ISK besides finding reasons to give it away and promoting his site and [CCP's revenue via] PLEX in the process?
if you don't think of something, the ISK would only accumulate.
even if SOMER became an ETC reseller, that still leaves the question of what to do with that ISK outside the closed loop of SOMER games.
I can't think of anything that makes more sense than what he's done... can you?
"having a lot of ISK entitles you to sell it for real money" ~ rain6637 Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10967
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Posted - 2014.08.20 05:50:00 -
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Tear Jar wrote:The issue isn't the ad revenue. The issue is that you can trade isk for RL labor and services. This lets you make profit off of the labor that you otherwise would have had to pay for.
CCP has already set a clear precedent for this kind of thing and it's explicitly allowed. People offer teamspeak hosting, web hosting, coding, and other services for ISK, and you can engage in this thing if you want to, as long as it's EVE related.
Tear Jar wrote:Imagine that I ran a software company and had a ton of isk. Based on the current rules, I could totally pay people isk to write code for me, which I then sell on the market. Mittani does that, but instead pays people isk for writing and webhosting.
This is a ridiculous edge case and you'd probably be in violation of the law if you did this, as you don't have the right to redistribute software that you buy. Additionally, TMC pays for their own web hosting in RL $$, and the articles they pay ISK for are all related to CCP IP, conforming to guidelines CCP handed down to them after last year's Somergate. The difference is that they haven't tried to weasel their way around it by deceiving CCP. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10967
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Posted - 2014.08.20 05:52:00 -
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Ohkewl wrote:huh, and The Mittani isnt?? Didnt he quit his RL job so he could focus more on his RMT empire? He lives from his RMT, while paying his employees with ISK.
Submit your evidence to [email protected] Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10967
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Posted - 2014.08.20 05:55:00 -
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Ohkewl wrote:And why do you think those advertisers pay money for those adds, because people click them, and buy stuff from those companies. Maybe you and i dont click them, but some people do. Are you seriously suggesting that companies would pay for advertising, if they didnt make any money off it? Wouldn't that be absurd?
Are you offered any ISK incentives for buying from their advertisers? Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10973
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Posted - 2014.08.20 06:14:00 -
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Klyith wrote:Isn't S.M. a German though? Are german tax collectors better or worse than the IRS?
I'm fairly sure that he's American, but even if he's not, evading taxes in any developed country is a bad idea. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10974
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Posted - 2014.08.20 06:21:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:But seriously, content is now removed from the game. What will take its place?
Some other gambling site will take its place within a week. Hopefully one that doesn't have RL gain as its primary goal. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10977
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Posted - 2014.08.20 06:36:00 -
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Ohkewl wrote:You say you represent the players but that is a lie. You might represent the 50 or so loudmouths here, but there are far more players that use the blink website, and you sure arent representing them. You just showed how valuable the CSM is.
see the last two lines of my sig Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10977
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Posted - 2014.08.20 06:42:00 -
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Ohkewl wrote:yes i'm sure anyone playing blink really wanted to stop Somer.
CCP didn't force Somer to shut Blink down. Neither did the CSM and neither did the posters in this thread. Somer shut blink down because he can no longer make RL money from it the way he wants to. If you're upset about no longer being able to play ****** blinks, cry to Somer, not the people who protested his presumption that he is above the rules. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10977
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Posted - 2014.08.20 06:45:00 -
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It'd be pretty stupid for CCP to punish people who played on that site, given CCP's past tacit endorsements of SOMERblink. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10982
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Posted - 2014.08.20 07:08:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Oddly enough, it would help mittens if CCP were to take a really close look at his operation.
I am one who finds, 'The Ego' as I think of him, rather pompous and tedious, but I do believe he runs a clean operation.
Clear the air and all that class of thing.
Yeah, if you run a major alliance it's a really good idea to keep your nose clean. CCP loves making an example out of highly visible players to demonstrate that nobody is above the rules. I doubt he implemented his compensation/revenue model without running it by CCP thoroughly enough to clear all doubt. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10982
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Posted - 2014.08.20 07:10:00 -
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Fracoix wrote:Enjoy the hit to PLEX sales......
People who buy PLEX aren't going to stop buying it because a 40-50m incentive from a website is no longer there. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Posted - 2014.08.20 07:11:00 -
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Jebus hChrist wrote:Well looks like the goons got what they wanted as always gg ccp. Love that everyone forgot how many Plex Blink had given to the last plex for good giving good pr for ccp and all of us. No mention of the support given to Eve Uni and RvB and all the others that blink helped out.
another forum alt who thinks that somer blink is a charity and who also attributes everything he dislikes to grrgoons
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Posted - 2014.08.20 07:29:00 -
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Here's a rough timeline of events:
- Somerset Mahm proposes a PLEX referral incentive model to CCP for approval. It is approved and he later implements a referral incentive, creating a buyback program for PLEX purchased through his referral link at above market prices.
- Somebody discovered that SOMERblink has created a new incentive to buy PLEX via their referral link. This was posted to Reddit, discussed there and it made its way to the forums.
- The discussions about this catch the attention of the CSM, and it makes its way to the desk of CCP Falcon, CCP's community coordinator, who mentions that he was surprised by this and unaware.
- SOMERblink is asked to put this promotion on hold for the meantime. They do so, and publish private correspondence with CCP's VP of Sales, along with the document they presented to her proposing their new incentive model.
- Players who read this document realize that the proposal was undoubtedly written with the intention of deceiving the reader into believing that there would be the incentive was not based on ISK or assets.
- CCP's conclusion is that the incentive implemented by SOMER was not what they approved. In response, SOMERblink shuts down indefinitely and refunds outstanding deposits.
So who acted in bad faith? CCP, by approving an ambiguously worded proposal and then deciding that what was implemented was not what they approved, or Somer, by writing an ambiguously worded proposal, deceiving CCP and essentially implementing a similar referral incentive to what CCP previously made him discontinue? Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Posted - 2014.08.20 07:31:00 -
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Fracoix wrote:People like me who bought PLEX to blink will I expect i wasn't alone in doing this....
Thankfully, the National Council on Problem Gambling has a 24-hour confidential support hotline you can call.
Get help here: http://www.ncpgambling.org/ Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Posted - 2014.08.20 07:40:00 -
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Derrick Miles wrote:If that was a joke, it was in poor taste. If it wasn't, I don't think spending money on gambling alone constitutes an addiction to gambling.
Honestly, when you've lost enough ISK on Blink that you go full sunk cost and buy PLEX to replenish your losses and continue gambling, I think you have a problem.
As far as poor taste jokes go this is pretty benign anyway Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Posted - 2014.08.20 08:02:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Except that they had authorisation from CCP. See, RMT results in a permaban IF it can be shown to be RMT AND it's not authorised by CCP. If you're going to throw out the blanket statement "RMT is punishable by permaban" then anyone who's ever bought PLEX and sold it for isk is in line for a permaban. Because that's RMT. It's trading real money for in-game money. The only difference is, CCP allows it.
Sorry, but what CCP approved had nothing to do with what Somer implemented:
CCP Falcon wrote:In the same respect however, we believe that the promotion that caused this issue was not representative of the original proposal that was brought to CCP.
Remiel Pollard wrote:The REAL difference here, of course, isn't that CCP approved Somer's promo, it's that it was Somer. Again, this whole debacle has just been another "Grr Somer", brought to you by people just looking to make mountains out of molehills.
I don't care about Somer one way or the other, but if you were a victim of an unsubstantiated witchhunt, it'd probably be easier for you to just disappear, don't you agree?
Packing up Somer COULD be a sign of guilt. It could also be a sign of exactly what he says it is: he's sick of the bullshit. I would be too. In any case, assuming one way or the other definitively is an assumption, the same kind of assumption that lead to this manufactured outrage to begin with, and a sign that EVE's player-base isn't as bright as most of us believe.
First: if anybody in EVE RMTs as brazenly as Somer did, they will face the same "witch hunt" once somebody exposes it.
Second: Somer brought this on himself by giving CCP a horribly ambiguous proposal to sign off on and then going entirely against the spirit and the letter of the guidelines CCP set forth for PLEX referral incentives. Stop painting him as a victim.
I'm sure that a lot of people who were upset about this have it rooted in previous issues they've had with Somer, like losing everything on Blink, but believe it or not, a lot of us simply don't like it when people who are players first and foremost presume to be above the rules out of some sense of entitlement. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Posted - 2014.08.20 08:27:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:That would be fine, provided the crowd didn't kill you first based on circumstantial assumption, bias, and the fact that they just never liked you to begin with.
these underlying motives simply don't exist Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Posted - 2014.08.20 08:46:00 -
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Brahan Seer wrote:Coming from the most toxic corp in the game, your corp has run off more players than a thousand RMT's would ever have done
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Posted - 2014.08.20 09:09:00 -
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K1ng Splurge wrote:I love how everyone is demanding justice!!!
Justice to you idiots would be Somer being banned, in turn banning every user who took part in Somerblink for bonus rewards and or "the new plex system" basically crippling eve online because 50% of users in eve played blink at some point.
No it wouldn't, because CCP has tacitly endorsed SOMERblink enough times in the past that those who took part in that would assume that it's alright. But Somerset Mahm and potentially his staff (at least his attack dog Andrev) should face the appropriate punishments. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Posted - 2014.08.20 09:15:00 -
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K1ng Splurge wrote:But how is that fair towards Somer? I thought CCP was fair and just in their pursuit in RMT?
Surely banning somer or the punishment should be equal to those who took part?
You basically saying, its ok if we all beat someone to death but only he who actually lays the final blow counts for punishment?
"the people who took part in this by taking advantage of the bonus shouldn't be banned because it'd be unfair but here's why they should be banned to make it fair" Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Posted - 2014.08.20 09:34:00 -
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111010110 wrote:The gist of it is that Somer & Markee gamed CCP, preying on known weaknesses (which in many ways are also part of CCP's strengths). The other crux of it is that CCP stumbled over some innate internal organisation / behaviour which developed at CCP after the age that ended roughly around the time of CCP Kieron's goodbye.
I honestly don't think Markee was involved in this beyond his partnership with Somer.
It seems that MD wanted Somer to provide written permission from CCP to carry on with this program, as I strongly doubt he'd risk his reseller status to keep on a single lucrative affiliate. CCP gave the go-ahead, MD then gave the go-ahead, and Somer implemented the thing. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Posted - 2014.08.20 09:38:00 -
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Also, it's not mob justice. CCP leaves a thread open for angry posters to be angry in and reduce moderator workload while the grownups at CCP talk. I doubt a single post in this thread was even considered in those discussions. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Posted - 2014.08.20 10:02:00 -
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Alliance leaders do a lot of good by creating content for hundreds or thousands of players, yet nobody whiteknighted them when they've RMTed. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Posted - 2014.08.20 10:07:00 -
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Brahan Seer wrote:So do what was done last time. Just don't have the plex service. maybe ding the somer corp wallet for the isk and be done with it. Would that not be the fairest corse of action without hurting the community that plays somer?
How would that be the fairest course of action? If you sell ISK for $$, you get a permanent ban. If I sell ISK for $$, I get a permanent ban. Why should they be more lenient with Somer, who have burned all their goodwill by 1) increasing the bonus to 1b blink credits last time CCP told them to stop, 2) publishing their correspondence with a CCP VP and 3) making hostile accusations against CCP when it was Somer that acted in bad faith? Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Posted - 2014.08.20 10:13:00 -
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Brahan Seer wrote:I just think banning somer having blink be dead does more harm to more people than good.
It doesn't matter because somebody (or several somebodies) will step in to fill the hole. And, if they're hopefully not solely motivated by making RL $$ like Somer, the community will be better off for it. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Posted - 2014.08.20 10:16:00 -
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Myriad Blaze wrote:I didn't miss that line about "no extra ISK". And if you take this one sentence out of the context of the proposal I would agree that it sounds like saying one thing but doing another. But this line isn't stand alone. And if you reread the proposal you should realize that it means "no extra ISK in addition to the price paid for the PLEX".
The problem with the proposal is that it doesn't state how the price for PLEX is set. It just says that Somer will give the "best price anywhere in EVE". With this wording Somer could offer 10 Bn per PLEX and still would be within the boundaries of the proposal. Maybe it's just me, but I think this is most obvious and both sides - CCP and Somer - should have avoided leaving this open.
Exactly, the proposal is so full of traps and clever wording that a careful reading by somebody familiar with the way EVE works would have inevitably led to it being binned. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Posted - 2014.08.20 10:40:00 -
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Baneken wrote:My initial stance which still stands to this issue (and gambling in general not just for EVE) however is that no betting or gambling should be allowed (in EVE or otherwise) but that's because my mother happens to be a gambling addict in RL and still visit her therapy group on regular basis.
This is a ridiculous rule to even try to enforce. How is CCP going to stop two people from agreeing to give each other ISK if one team or another wins a football match? It's not even the point of this thread. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Posted - 2014.08.20 10:46:00 -
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Baneken wrote:Yes, I know quite well it cannot be enforced, shouldn't stop me from wishing it was true, now doesn't it ?
I wish I had wings and could soar over the rest of the plebs but that's not going to happen so it's pointless to bring up Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Posted - 2014.08.20 11:44:00 -
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Derrick Miles wrote:While RMT is bad, I'm not sure it rates on the scale of wife-beating and stealing pensions.
It's not as bad as those things, but donating any amount of PLEX to PLEX for GOOD doesn't put you above the rules. As Stannis of the House Baratheon the First of His Name, the One True King of the Andals, the Rhoynar and the First Men, Lord of the Seven Kingdoms and Protector of the Realm says, a good act does not wash out the bad, nor the bad the good. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Posted - 2014.08.20 13:32:00 -
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yo Outamon wrote:Erm what about all the people who won't get a potential return on all the isk invested to gain 100s of tokens for there mini bonks and blasts is that part of the sensible closure??? Could have waited till the end of the party now people invested tones for nothing ...
CCP didn't tell Somer to close down, Somer did that on their own. Blame them. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Posted - 2014.08.20 14:02:00 -
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Kaoraku Shayiskhun wrote:Somer offered a promotion, that he would buy your ingame plex, if you buy timecode from him. This code is full legal, since he is an official reseller. This is an out of game code. When Somer buys the plex from you it could be come from this code, or from another plex, but all of the plexes are come from out of the game. At the start of the promotion plex was 788M, he offered a 800M buy for it. There was nothing written about if it will be rising, if plex's price will be rising. And he offered to buy plex from you, not give you ingame plex (for real money).
Because in exchange for you buying a PLEX code from Markee Dragon with Somer's referral code, he'll buy the PLEX from you at above market rates. So basically, you give him money (through a middleman) and he gives you ISK (by buying a PLEX at a higher price) Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Posted - 2014.08.20 14:32:00 -
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Is "stakeholders" CCP jargon for "relevant people in CCP" or something? Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Posted - 2014.08.20 14:55:00 -
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Rroff wrote:Was not accusing CCP of a witch hunt - I am however aware that certain of the more vocal efforts to have Somer taken down are motivated by something far far from altruistic (even if Somer is in the wrong which in itself I don't have my head around to make a call on).
so tell me more about these ~ulterior motives~ Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Posted - 2014.08.20 15:16:00 -
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"Stakeholders are essentially any person or group of people who have an interest in your product that arenGÇÖt directly involved with its creation. Basically, anyone who isnGÇÖt a product owner, scrum master or team member is a stakeholder in your product and potentially a useful source for feedback."
http://thescrumblog.blogspot.cz/2011/04/stakeholders-and-feedback-in-scrum.html
huh, forgot about scrum Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Posted - 2014.08.20 15:27:00 -
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Man you've really been showcasing mod abilities in this thread: endless quotes per post, images, oh boy Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Posted - 2014.08.20 15:55:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Andski wrote:Man you've really been showcasing mod abilities in this thread: endless quotes per post, images, oh boy It's almost as if there is real forum software buried under here. They just haven't unchecked the [Sucks] box in the config section for us regular users. edit: the IRONY
Is there even any good ASP.NET forum software? Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Posted - 2014.08.20 17:27:00 -
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dexington wrote:The images are linked from external sites, i hope they never enable that feature for monkey class users, but i guess it would be fun to datamine ip/browser info and try and match it to users to detects alts and other fun stuff.
If that's the primary concern they can simply require images posted on the forums to be hosted on imgur, tinypic, eve-files etc. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Posted - 2014.08.20 17:46:00 -
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Goonspiracy Twitter: @EVEAndski
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