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Klyith GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 109	Posted - 2014.08.19 17:34:00 - [1] - Quote One thing that's been brought up a number of times in this thread is the whole paying ISK for content on themittani.com (or EN24 but TMC gets more attention). Whether you want to define that as RMT or not is up to you. The important thing is that CCP says that practice --paying ISK for Eve-related content monetized by ads or such-- is officially allowed, and anyone can do it. I can start Klyith's Eve News dotcom and pay people isk for articles just like Mittani does. Someone from BNI could create Brave Newsbies and do the same. Mr. Pirhana could do Dinsdale's CCP Weather News (tagline: "where the sky is always falling!") and assuming he could find anyone to write articles, exchange isk for revenue. It's a level playing field. The issue with Somer is that historically they were not treated equally. Somer has a isk-for-referrals program that operated for quite some time before people caused a ruckus last year, and CCP only stopped when other people started imitating it. I suspect that everyone in eve could create their own advertising-monetized Eve news & opinions websites and CCP would be fine with it. ;)
Klyith GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 111	Posted - 2014.08.19 17:46:00 - [2] - Quote Lyron-Baktos wrote: I find it very telling that a VP of Sales would be in personal contact with a simple reseller. Nah, sales is always easy to reach. That's what they do, communicate and sell the game. CCP allows resellers to run some types of limited promotions. For example, buy a ETC code from Reseller X and get a bonus code for a skinned Catalyst (look at all the Catalyst variants in the game, many of those are from that type of promotion). I assume their sales department is who handles those types of promotions. Somer wording his PLEX buyback system as a "promotion" in the same vein as those normal events is what got him the official ok he was looking to cover his ass. It's pretty obviously in bad faith if you know the game, but as some CSM people have pointed out the sales and legal teams probably don't have a deep understanding of the game.
Klyith GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 111	Posted - 2014.08.20 01:35:00 - [3] - Quote Sniper Smith wrote: Tippia wrote: Sniper Smith wrote: So what Blink was doing was wrong, But Eve Time Code can give you a Free PLEX for every $250 spent.. "New Promo - Your business counts! Starting May 9th 2014, After every $250 spent you will recieve 1 free PLEX" Standard customer loyalty program (if a bit on the miserly side GÇö isn't GÇ£buy 10 get 1 for freeGÇ¥ the standard? ) with no in-game component. So there's no comparison there. How is that any better than what Blink was doing? Buy a bunch from our reseller get some isk free.. If what Blink is doing is RMT, then so it this. Geez it's like people can't keep straight in-game versus out-of-game. Eve Time Code's promotion is not contracting you an extra plex in-game purchased from an isk slush fund. They're giving you another plex from the out-of-game supply. The ETCs they sell are codes they buy from CCP. The isk Somer was padding onto plex "convenience sales" was in-game isk. RMT requires moving in-game stuff for out-of-game money. Other than the way that all PLEX / ISK transactions are RMT of course.
Klyith GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 112	Posted - 2014.08.20 01:43:00 - [4] - Quote Yang Aurilen wrote: gawrshmapooo wrote: Addiction is realGäó EVE is Real. CCP said so Features & Ideas Discussion: Add "the shakes" to pilots who take boosters if they don't keep snorting more pills. And every few minutes you talk in local without your control, asking other pilots for just a few isk to get one more hit man, I'll get cleaned up starting tomorrow I swear.
Klyith GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 114	Posted - 2014.08.20 01:46:00 - [5] - Quote Sniper Smith wrote: Anyone that doesn't see PLEX as ISK needs their head examined. Until such time as PLEX can't be sold at Jita, it's just a bulk amount of ISK. Ok in that case anyone who has ever bought or sold a PLEX from any source, in game or out of game, is guilty of RMTing. Ban everyone, issue sorted. Next?
Klyith GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 116	Posted - 2014.08.20 06:10:00 - [6] - Quote I love all the people saying this is a giant conspiracy by people who hated Somer Blink. It must be a pretty sucky conspiracy since we couldn't lift a damn finger against it for months and months between the last time this happened and now. You'd think a real conspiracy could've faked up some evidence to use against someone before they went and incriminated themselves. The funniest thing about the whole Somer Story is that the person most directly responsible for his downfall was his biggest fan, CCP Navigator. If he hadn't given them those Ishukone Watch Scorpions and crazy prize ships, people wouldn't have had so much reason to look closely at the original referral kickbacks. Better yet if Somer had the cunning to turn them down for more modest returns. He could have kept operating under the radar for probably years and years. Ah, the best laid plans of mice and men... Andski wrote: I agree that SOMER closing shop is highly indicative that he only pursued RL profits, but I doubt the guy is dumb enough to evade taxes in the US. The Iron Bank (sorry, IRS) will have its due. Isn't S.M. a German though? Are german tax collectors better or worse than the IRS?
Klyith GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 117	Posted - 2014.08.20 06:27:00 - [7] - Quote Ohkewl wrote: All that is irrelevant, all that matters is that he pays his employees with isk, and makes real profits from their labor. It doesnt matter if there are also articles that arent payed with ISK, or that he wrote himself, it matters that there are. And CCP authorizes that trade of ISK for content, for TMC and anyone else that wants to run a eve focused website. If you want to join in you can start the Ohkewl Eve Website and join in the big profits yourself. It's a level playing field. If you think CCP allowing people to pay writers or other content makers in isk is RMT and shouldn't be allowed, you can make that case. But don't expect to get very far. It's very much in CCP's interest to have lots of eve media, news, and such providing free advertising for them. (FYI if you think mittani or anyone else in the games journalism field is making fat stacks of cash you're either deluded or have a job flipping burgers. Websites about video games make pennies. I'm sure he could go back to being a lawyer and make more in a month than TMC makes in a year. But being a lawyer isn't as fun as being an ~eve personality~.)
Klyith GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 118	Posted - 2014.08.20 07:47:00 - [8] - Quote Ohkewl wrote: A wild guess, some people are allowed to RMT from CCP, and others arent. Oh my god. Some people are allowed to follow the rules. Some other people are forbidden from breaking the rules. THIS INJUSTICE WILL NOT STAND! Jebus hChrist wrote: Well looks like the goons got what they wanted as always gg ccp. In future threads, can you please refrain from calling the winning side "the goons"? When all the reasonable and intelligent people are arguing one side, and all the stupid and shortsighted ones are on the other side, I assure you that it's only a coincidence that all the goons posting in the discussion are in the first group. There are plenty of reasonable and intelligent non-goons as well and I feel this tendency devalues their input.
Klyith GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 119	Posted - 2014.08.20 08:18:00 - [9] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: I don't care about Somer one way or the other, but if you were a victim of an unsubstantiated witchhunt, it'd probably be easier for you to just disappear, don't you agree? Nah. If I was the victim of a witchhunt, I'd probably stand firm to my convictions in the belief that all the evidence would vindicate me. On the other hand if I was a dedicated witch practitioner, and I'd been documenting all my witching on a public website, and I'd mailed a letter to the authorities lying about said witchcraft by trying to confuse it with harmless neopagan rituals, and I was the witchiest witch ever while holding an early copy of The Witcher 3... Then I might want to just disappear when the witchhunt shows up with the stake and bonfire.
Klyith GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 119	Posted - 2014.08.20 08:35:00 - [10] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: That would be fine, provided the crowd didn't kill you first based on circumstantial assumption, bias, and the fact that they just never liked you to begin with. So who's been killed? There may be an angry mob, but I don't see a Cotton Mather in charge. Just the good folks at CCP who said "hold on, we're going to do our own investigation and we'll get back to you when we've considered the evidence. Thanks to the CSM who brought this to our attention." Also it said on Somer Blink's website the price he was paying for referral plexes and the steps to getting your referral code validated (so that Somer knew you'd indirectly given him money). That's hardly circumstantial. That's a sacrificed goat and a pentagram drawn in human blood. Now if you want to see a real witchhunt, we could talk about the Erotica1 thing. In that case the defendant was pretty much Satan himself, but it was still a stampede of outrage and cynical publicity ploys.

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