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Ohkewl
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Posted - 2014.08.19 02:00:00 -
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Sugar Kyle wrote:CCP Falcon and CCP Leeloo have been very open to our questions and the questions that we have brought forward from the community starting from last night. I've recently been asked about accounts used for businesses and what account usage qualifies as a business reference this part of the EULA: Quote:"Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities. Business entities and anyone who is acting for or on behalf of a business or for business purposes may not establish an Account, access the System or play EVE. Accessing the System or using the Game for commercial, business or income-seeking purposes is strictly prohibited."
Does this mean guys like TheMittani are in trouble too? That guy pays his freelance writers in isk and pretty much lives of the money generated by the site he places the articles on. If that's not a business idk what is. |
Ohkewl
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Posted - 2014.08.19 02:56:00 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Except for Chribba's brief remarks, I see that most web hosts are strangely quiet on this. And for good reason. If the more mouth frothing anger management deficient among you get your way and CCP decides you are right that any income is RMT, say goodbye to your kill boards, news sites, blogs, market sites and character sheets. Anything that relies on click-throughs and affiliates to cover hosting costs. Be careful what you wish for, people. You might just get it. Mr Epeen  Read up more on Somer's setup. There's no question that this is RMT ISK selling in disguise. Which is very different to the (officially tolerated) RMT ISK buying in disguise cycle seen in killboard hostings of "I create EVE-based RL services, possibly costing RL money and trade them to you for in-game ISK". CCP's stated policies are very different toward RMT sellers and RMT buyers.
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Ohkewl
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Posted - 2014.08.19 04:12:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Ohkewl wrote:That guy pays his freelance writers in isk Which is allowedOhkewl wrote:and pretty much lives of the money generated by the site he places the articles on. If that's not a business idk what is. That money comes from ad revenue. Are you seriously suggesting that EVE websites not be allowed to run ads? Because that's absurd.
So all Somer has to do is:
1. everyone buying plex through their site also needs to write an article (lets say min 3 max 20 words)
2. Somer buys these articles for isk and puts them on a websit
3. Markeedragon has a banner on the site and pays Somer for the advertising.
There you go, a legitemate newsite.
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Ohkewl
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Posted - 2014.08.19 04:42:00 -
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S'Way wrote:A game only holds it's integrity if all are playing by the same rules - whatever the result is of any investigation there needs to be no doubt that everyone is doing so.
Given previous incidents (which don't need to be mentioned), I hope there's as much transparancy as possible once the investigation is over so players can have confidence in it.
Exactly, so get rid of all the third party plex sellers, and get rid of all the ppl selling services for isk. |
Ohkewl
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Posted - 2014.08.19 04:48:00 -
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Andski wrote:Ohkewl wrote:So all Somer has to do is:
1. everyone buying plex through their site also needs to write an article (lets say min 3 max 20 words)
2. Somer buys these articles for isk and puts them on a websit
3. Markeedragon has a banner on the site and pays Somer for the advertising.
There you go, a legitemate newsite.
except that's not what TMC or other news sites do at all on the other hand, if TMC offered you ISK for buying yourself a game through their amazon affiliate program, that would most certainly be clear-cut RMT
Minus the plex buying, it is what they do, buy articles for isk, get money from adds.
TMC or Evenews24 doesnt buy just any article from anyone either. |
Ohkewl
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Posted - 2014.08.20 05:44:00 -
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Andski wrote:Thatt Guy wrote:So since Somer can't use Eve to print RL money anymore, he closes up shop.
This should tell you all you need to know. He never cared for the community, or the players or Eve, just blinded by the almighty dollar.
To Somer:
Take your ball and go home then, may the IRS bless you with an audit. I agree that SOMER closing shop is highly indicative that he only pursued RL profits, but I doubt the guy is dumb enough to evade taxes in the US. The Iron Bank (sorry, IRS) will have its due.
huh, and The Mittani isnt?? Didnt he quit his RL job so he could focus more on his RMT empire? He lives from his RMT, while paying his employees with ISK. |
Ohkewl
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Posted - 2014.08.20 05:51:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Ohkewl wrote:That guy pays his freelance writers in isk Which is allowedOhkewl wrote:and pretty much lives of the money generated by the site he places the articles on. If that's not a business idk what is. That money comes from ad revenue. Are you seriously suggesting that EVE websites not be allowed to run ads? Because that's absurd.
And why do you think those advertisers pay money for those adds, because people click them, and buy stuff from those companies. Maybe you and i dont click them, but some people do.
Are you seriously suggesting that companies would pay for advertising, if they didnt make any money off it? Wouldn't that be absurd? |
Ohkewl
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Posted - 2014.08.20 06:12:00 -
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Hendrick Tallardar wrote:Ohkewl wrote:Andski wrote:Ohkewl wrote:So all Somer has to do is:
1. everyone buying plex through their site also needs to write an article (lets say min 3 max 20 words)
2. Somer buys these articles for isk and puts them on a websit
3. Markeedragon has a banner on the site and pays Somer for the advertising.
There you go, a legitemate newsite.
except that's not what TMC or other news sites do at all on the other hand, if TMC offered you ISK for buying yourself a game through their amazon affiliate program, that would most certainly be clear-cut RMT Minus the plex buying, it is what they do, buy articles for isk, get money from adds. TMC or Evenews24 doesnt buy just any article from anyone either. As a former writer for TMC, that's not how they behave/operate at all. They pay the contributor in ISK only for EVE "Universe" articles (EVE Online, DUST 514, EVE Valkyrie etc.) this policy also includes videos and streaming fleets/large fights. They don't just pay a writer for a non-EVE article with EVE's in-game money as that is against CCP's policy which was previously linked to you. Any coverage not pertaining to EVE is compensated in a different fashion and has no ISK or PLEX or GTC involved whatsoever. This could be, for example, using the site's role as a news outlet to obtain press pass keys for a game they intend to cover, which has been done, and so forth. That behavior has no bearing on their role in providing EVE coverage as that is a separate policy/rules of operation they are required to follow. As for "doesnt buy just any article from anyone either" that's due to, in TMC's case, quality control and preference for not having poorly written and grammatically incorrect pieces thrown out there.
All that is irrelevant, all that matters is that he pays his employees with isk, and makes real profits from their labor. It doesnt matter if there are also articles that arent payed with ISK, or that he wrote himself, it matters that there are. |
Ohkewl
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Posted - 2014.08.20 06:33:00 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:KaRa DaVuT wrote:
I just want to hear from the real people, the people who involved that to explain what really happened. From The decision makers. Not from the people that just learned this 24 hour ago.
There are people out there really know whats happenning in CCP. I want them to go out public and explain to me that, why some pople are treated differently than the others in this game when it comes to EULA? As legally both me and somer are subcribers. So both are bound to the EULA rules.
Fair enough. But just to point out one small detail. Falcon IS the Community Dev. It is his task to talk to you and get the information needed. I and the rest of the CSM were elected to represent the players, not CCP. We have been doing that, this past day and will continue to do so. Yes, we have our NDA and yes, that gets irritating. I am going through this thread looking for new details, new ideas or requests. But some see it as trolling or whatever. Look to out website and see how many of us have written things in the past 36 hours about this. Talk to the people who you think best represent you on the CSM (whether you voted or not). Keep posting here, I will keep reading. m
You say you represent the players but that is a lie. You might represent the 50 or so loudmouths here, but there are far more players that use the blink website, and you sure arent representing them.
You just showed how valuable the CSM is.
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Ohkewl
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2014.08.20 06:41:00 -
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Andski wrote:Ohkewl wrote:You say you represent the players but that is a lie. You might represent the 50 or so loudmouths here, but there are far more players that use the blink website, and you sure arent representing them.
You just showed how valuable the CSM is. see the last two lines of my sig
yes i'm sure anyone playing blink really wanted to stop Somer. |
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Ohkewl
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Posted - 2014.08.20 06:47:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Ohkewl wrote:You say you represent the players but that is a lie. You might represent the 50 or so loudmouths here, but there are far more players that use the blink website, and you sure arent representing them.
You just showed how valuable the CSM is. The only reason Blink is down is that Somer threw a hissy and turned it off when his RMT scheme came to light. How does Somer's hissy become the CSM's fault, exactly?
The only one who really knows why is Somer.
A wild guess, some people are allowed to RMT from CCP, and others arent. |
Ohkewl
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Posted - 2014.08.20 07:13:00 -
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Derrick Miles wrote:Ohkewl wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Ohkewl wrote:You say you represent the players but that is a lie. You might represent the 50 or so loudmouths here, but there are far more players that use the blink website, and you sure arent representing them.
You just showed how valuable the CSM is. The only reason Blink is down is that Somer threw a hissy and turned it off when his RMT scheme came to light. How does Somer's hissy become the CSM's fault, exactly? The only one who really knows why is Somer. A wild guess, some people are allowed to RMT from CCP, and others arent. Sounds pretty wild to me, I'm pretty sure CCP doesn't allow RMT in any form. Unless you're redefining the term.
RMT= converting ISK to real money.
That's what Somer, Evenews24 and TMC are doing, they jump thru some hoops to get there, but the end result is the same. |
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