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R3A50N Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.08.20 23:28:00 - [61] - Quote goons hating high sec incursions? man that sounds redundant-- they hate high sec in general any buff to any thing high sec will be hated by the nullbears... this isn't 'beatargetforgoons online' or did i read the info on this game wrong?
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 5347	Posted - 2014.08.21 00:32:00 - [62] - Quote R3A50N wrote: goons hating high sec incursions? man that sounds redundant-- they hate high sec in general any buff to any thing high sec will be hated by the nullbears... this isn't 'beatargetforgoons online' or did i read the info on this game wrong? If they really hated highsec incursions they would be running Mom-popping fleets so the incursions could not be turbo-farmed. That would garner more rage than "burning Jita". Yet they don't do that. Makes me wonder who has incursion-running alts grinding away while the mains complain about ISK faucets. Tinfoil, anybody? Bring back DEEEEP Space!
R3A50N Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.08.21 00:40:00 - [63] - Quote oh i know there are MANY people who use high sec alts to grind incursions for their nullsec/pvp/etc needs. i run incursions quite often, not on this character of course, and i hear many stories about things that happen down in the null regions they don't need to pop moms anyway, considering the fact that communities have grown so large and so many that rage happens between them
GreenSeed 1124	Posted - 2014.08.21 01:00:00 - [64] - Quote Goldiiee wrote: No Greenseed, I started out with a 5 Ishtar setup, with assigned drones to get around the jamming, then I went to command ships (Eos) then to a mixed fleet of BS/Cruisers and Logi, then finally a shiny Machs and Nightmares fleet. The spider Ishtar and Eos setups worked pretty good but the rats moved off to 100-140km pretty quick making us have to relocate and reset a couple times. The mixed fleet left the cruiser at a disadvantage, as the few targets that he could maintain range on were dead quick and left him with nothing to do till the next spawn. The Shiny BS fleet. blapped away through each wave but at a loss of one ship at (For the most part) all times due to permajam. the fact that you used assigned sentries on any sort of pve if you had the option of turrets is already too ******** to warrant considering both the results of your testing or you ability to perform them properly.
GreenSeed 1124	Posted - 2014.08.21 01:09:00 - [65] - Quote Ab'del Abu wrote: Goldiiee wrote: As I stated beginner/introductory level WH Should not be making as much as organized group content that requires 100's of community members. There is no beginner/introductory level WH. Wormholes mean -1.0 sec status, no local, cloaky death. C1-C4 wormholes are only different to C5,C6 systems in that they tend to have easier logistics and soloable PVE content. C4 maybe after the patch, and from to looks of it the extra connections ill get balanced out by the new jump mechanics. after living in one for 3 months i left in such a fit of anger that half way though the move, i decided to **** it all and SDed everything i owned. i have lived on hellholes like the wildlands and i have nothing but fond memories of them, but C4s broke me.
Trinkets friend Sudden Buggery 1569	Posted - 2014.08.21 01:23:00 - [66] - Quote Oh man. You are all such a huge bunch of farming neckbeards. Stick to incursion crofting and stop talking about stuff you don't know about, like wormhole income. J's before K's. Sudden Buggery is recruiting w-nerds and w-noobs. Mail your resume in today! http://www.localectomy.blogspot.com.au
Robart Baboli Ferrous Infernum 15	Posted - 2014.08.21 07:21:00 - [67] - Quote Trinkets friend wrote: Oh man. You are all such a huge bunch of farming neckbeards. Stick to incursion crofting and stop talking about stuff you don't know about, like wormhole income. Being one of those "farming neckbeards" (great way to avoid personal attacks, there), i would say the same to all the WHers and null-bears who complain about incursion income. isn't it strange how we can both use that same arguement with equal validity of all the clauses on which it depends: Knowing little to nothing (i ran C3-C4s in drakes before the nerf, so sue me), Farming (wait, you mean that people set up multiple billions in dreads for PVP alone, where they can rarely leave?) Neckbeard (not even touching that one.), and yet according to the arguments which you will put forward here, i am wrong? now imagine this. there are a maximum of 3 highsec incursions. there is a servicable max of 4 HQ fleets. each HQ fleet holds 40 people. this means, that at an ideal time (Ha), a total of 480 people can make that much isk per hour. in those conditions, fleets are lucky to push above 100M averages. will you ever see that sort of crowding, no. we took to diplomacy to handle it. can others, who are better take our ISK, yes. Contests are a part of incursions. the better fleet takes all the isk for that site, and goes on, enabling the top end channels to occasionally hit that magical 200M mark. now, each of your dreads to do a capital escalation, could likely be exchanged one to one with an incursion battleship from that top end fleet. except that instead of needing less than 10, you need a total of 30 of them, of various compositions. not only that, but the sansha, much like sleepers, can take out careless ships. but unlike in WHs, where you can directly blap a suspicious ship as soon as you see it, incursioners must beat them to the prize, in order to secure the loot. then here's another idea. those pilots, typically don't stay long. most people tend to fly about 200M worth, and call that good. your capital escalations are much harder for a bunch of people to rage-pop, and your built in EHP is much higher. also, in general, given the sheer number of WHs, tell me that capital escalations aren't an everyday thing. YOU may not get in on it, but someone, somewhere is. the difference between incursions and that, is that incursioners are nomadic, whereas balance forces your cap fleets to be primarily static. now tell me, various types of players, what is the ISK per hour you usually get, versus the ones you brag about. me, for HQs, it's about 95M ISK/H that i usually get. i brag about that one time where we hit 150, running a backlog of excellent sites.
Tajic Kaundur Dropbears Anonymous Brave Collective 57	Posted - 2014.08.21 07:59:00 - [68] - Quote Robart Baboli wrote: -things- you realize an incursion runner can run literally hundreds of sites in a day while even me, living in a c6, will run probably 30 sites a week at absolute most, right there are not infinite sites in a wormhole
goldiiee Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies 1173	Posted - 2014.08.21 11:28:00 - [69] - Quote Tajic Kaundur wrote: Robart Baboli wrote: -things- you realize an incursion runner can run literally hundreds of sites in a day while even me, living in a c6, will run probably 30 sites a week at absolute most, right there are not infinite sites in a wormhole You mean 96 sites a day in 24 hours of 15 minutes per site, no bio breaks no stopping to eat and only if 40 other people are willing to run continuously. Exaggerating everything is never a good idea. Edit; Oops 94 total sites forgot about the 30 minute mandatory down time. Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Jack Miton Isogen 5 3688	Posted - 2014.08.21 14:32:00 - [70] - Quote You incursion runners are so entirely clueless about anything that isnt incursions (and is a lot of cases, incursions too) that it's actually mind boggling. Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ Down the Pipe:-á http://downthepipe-wh.com/
Frostys Virpio The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 1202	Posted - 2014.08.21 14:41:00 - [71] - Quote Goldiiee wrote: Tajic Kaundur wrote: Robart Baboli wrote: -things- you realize an incursion runner can run literally hundreds of sites in a day while even me, living in a c6, will run probably 30 sites a week at absolute most, right there are not infinite sites in a wormhole You mean 96 sites a day in 24 hours of 15 minutes per site, no bio breaks no stopping to eat and only if 40 other people are willing to run continuously. Exaggerating everything is never a good idea. Edit; Oops 94 total sites forgot about the 30 minute mandatory down time. You can do so much more if you manage to run 5 fleet of 39 to cover all spawn while your toon bunny hop from one fleet to the other just to cash in the payout.
Rek Seven Probe Patrol Ixtab. 1752	Posted - 2014.08.21 15:48:00 - [72] - Quote So do the Sansha pay CONCORD off so that they are free to snatch civilians off planets? It would be better if all CONCORD actions were prevented during incursions, then CCP could triple the payouts for all i care. Right now, the risk vs. reward is shockingly unbalanced. +1
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of Eden 0	Posted - 2014.08.21 15:53:00 - [73] - Quote It's amazing how virtually every incursion thread here is flooded by incessant whining from the nullsec and WH folks about isk/hour and risk/reward delusions. If highsec incursions are really such a cut above everything else, then drop what you are doing and come run them. Somehow, despite incursions apparently being the easiest and quickest isk/hour in Eve, fleets are often operating at below optimal numbers, if at all. Instead, what I think is actually going on here, is that that the nullsec folks who spend 80% of their day engaging in mind-numbing afk ratting in a carrier in sov null, and the wormhole folks who spend all day farming sites in C4-C6 holes somehow feel entitled to financial prosperity, and spam the forums in an attempt to shut down and kind of enjoyable and rewarding activities in highsec, so that everyone needs to join them in the current boredom of nullsec and wormholes. How about doing what you enjoy, and not spending all of your time trying to nerf things that other people enjoy?
Robart Baboli Ferrous Infernum 15	Posted - 2014.08.21 15:58:00 - [74] - Quote Frostys Virpio wrote: Goldiiee wrote: Tajic Kaundur wrote: Robart Baboli wrote: -things- you realize an incursion runner can run literally hundreds of sites in a day while even me, living in a c6, will run probably 30 sites a week at absolute most, right there are not infinite sites in a wormhole You mean 96 sites a day in 24 hours of 15 minutes per site, no bio breaks no stopping to eat and only if 40 other people are willing to run continuously. Exaggerating everything is never a good idea. Edit; Oops 94 total sites forgot about the 30 minute mandatory down time. You can do so much more if you manage to run 5 fleet of 39 to cover all spawn while your toon bunny hop from one fleet to the other just to cash in the payout. right. and which community will let you do this? or actually, which ones, since no community has fielded more than two fleets for an extended period as far as i know. you also have those PI farms, which i'm not sure on the profit on, and so won't speculate as to a level of income, and they aren't entirely passive, as setting them up is a *****, as would be exporting the produce, given the logistics, and you have to keep them updated. but all of that, once you have them set up, can be done from a POS, until it's time to go collect it all, and sell it. will the change affect high-sec in general? no. will it affect incursions? yes. it makes it quicker for incursions to respawn. it does nothing to affect the isk per hour in spawned incursions. it does not raise the cap of total incursions. in all honesty, no additional people will be able to farm or run incursions because of this. most of the time, we are careful with our timers as it is, and so there are one-two incursions up. sometimes it happens that there aren't incursions. but by and large, the communities manage it better than that.
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 7729	Posted - 2014.08.21 17:17:00 - [75] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: It's amazing how virtually every incursion thread here is flooded by incessant whining from the nullsec and WH folks about isk/hour and risk/reward delusions. If highsec incursions are really such a cut above everything else, then drop what you are doing and come run them. Somehow, despite incursions apparently being the easiest and quickest isk/hour in Eve, fleets are often operating at below optimal numbers, if at all. This is a lie, the 3 communities i've flown with recently (TVP, Warp to me and ISN) either had formal wait lists going or had you sit there waticng chat like a hawk for a line to pop up so you could get in fleet. And lol and the dumb "if it's so good come and do it". If it's so good that everyone is better off dropping what they are doing to come do it, that should tell you something. Quote: Instead, what I think is actually going on here, is that that the nullsec folks who spend 80% of their day engaging in mind-numbing afk ratting in a carrier in sov null, and the wormhole folks who spend all day farming sites in C4-C6 holes somehow feel entitled to financial prosperity, and spam the forums in an attempt to shut down and kind of enjoyable and rewarding activities in highsec, so that everyone needs to join them in the current boredom of nullsec and wormholes. How about doing what you enjoy, and not spending all of your time trying to nerf things that other people enjoy? And another lie (or plain ignorance). Null sec people (exception, renters who don't know better) aren't spending 80% of their day doin mind numbing null sec/WH stuff. They are spending that time in High Sec incursion community chats waiting for a LINE so they can X up . OR they are farming the hell out of missions (it's not just incursions that are a problem). Who needs Null sec pve or even NPC LP stores when you can go to a area such as this one that has no less than 10 lvl 4 agents within 5 jumps of it? You know what i do? I roll those agents till I get a nice 'farm' set up . At one point I had 3 instances of Angel Extravaganza within 2 jumps of Lustrevik that I farmed for 6 days. Who the F needs a Sanctum when you can just do this over and over every day in total safety and for better isk? And that's the point, High Sec space makes the rest of EVE PVE 'optional', but only if you like pain....
Domanique Altares Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 3075	Posted - 2014.08.21 17:20:00 - [76] - Quote I hate to have to admit this, but Dinsdale was right. CCP has finally nerfed hisec. No more will poverty run rampant in hisec; never again shall a down on his luck PVEer be left with nothing to do. All of the sadness has been nerfed from hisec. "i advice you to go spit on the back of someone else because you are fall on the wrong horse." - Meio Rayliegh
Frostys Virpio The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 1204	Posted - 2014.08.21 18:06:00 - [77] - Quote Rek Seven wrote: So do the Sansha pay CONCORD off so that they are free to snatch civilians off planets? It would be better if all CONCORD actions were prevented during incursions, then CCP could triple the payouts for all i care. Right now, the risk vs. reward is shockingly unbalanced. Lorewise, CONCORD is asking capsulers to help them stop the invasion so they can still keep force to maintain the usual security level in the system. The capsulers are literally making sure CONCORD don't get overworked dealing with Sansha so they can keep the regular law enforcement up and running.
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of Eden 2	Posted - 2014.08.21 18:40:00 - [78] - Quote "This is a lie, the 3 communities i've flown with recently (TVP, Warp to me and ISN) either had formal wait lists going or had you sit there waticng chat like a hawk for a line to pop up so you could get in fleet." During peak contest timezones they are waitlists, during quiet times these fleets shut down or operate below capacity. There is hardly a rush of Eve players from all other professions to incursion running. "And lol and the dumb "if it's so good come and do it". If it's so good that everyone is better off dropping what they are doing to come do it, that should tell you something." Yes, if 80% of people in Eve were suddenly running incursions, then I would be concerned....since it's a tiny minority it seems that the facts cut against your line of reasoning. "And another lie (or plain ignorance). Null sec people (exception, renters who don't know better) aren't spending 80% of their day doin mind numbing null sec/WH stuff. They are spending that time in High Sec incursion community chats waiting for a LINE so they can X up ." Oh really? So when we see 30,000 players on the server and 300 running incursions (1% of the total!), in your mind that shows everyone abandoning all other parts of Eve to come run incursions. Fascinating! "OR they are farming the hell out of missions (it's not just incursions that are a problem). Who needs Null sec pve or even NPC LP stores when you can go to a area such as this one that has no less than 10 lvl 4 agents within 5 jumps of it? You know what i do? I roll those agents till I get a nice 'farm' set up . At one point I had 3 instances of Angel Extravaganza within 2 jumps of Lustrevik that I farmed for 6 days. Who the F needs a Sanctum when you can just do this over and over every day in total safety and for better isk?" People run missions for content, lame as it may seem....they don't see anything else exciting to do in Eve. You can definitely make more isk afk ratting in a carrier in deep goon sov than you can running missions. "And that's the point, High Sec space makes the rest of EVE PVE 'optional', but only if you like pain..." And yet the majority of the player base still goes to low/null. Maybe if you share your insights with them we can just shut down the CFC and N3/PL and everyone can come back to make it rich in Empire.

ISD Ezwal ISD Community Communications Liaisons 1979	Posted - 2014.08.21 18:49:00 - [79] - Quote Thread temporarily locked for some cleaning. ISD Ezwal Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department

Seraph Essael Devils Diciples League of Infamy 811	Posted - 2014.08.22 03:04:00 - [80] - Quote Nevermind, cba to argue. Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person."
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 11272	Posted - 2014.08.22 03:20:00 - [81] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: You can definitely make more isk afk ratting in a carrier in deep goon sov than you can running missions. AFK ratting in a carrier? Okay dude... Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Seraph Essael Devils Diciples League of Infamy 811	Posted - 2014.08.22 03:45:00 - [82] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: You can definitely make more isk afk ratting in a carrier in deep goon sov than you can running missions. AFK ratting in a carrier? Okay dude... It's not even worth arguing dude, they will just have all the valid argument points you make removed. Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person."
Mina Sebiestar Mactabilis Simplex Cursus 719	Posted - 2014.08.22 03:56:00 - [83] - Quote Tennej wrote: Scout sites 3.5 mil.......? Or is it all to do about nothing? Discuss Scout no Assault yes Buff not really Both vg and ass are steping stone to hq where the isk and lp is. Additionaly with 50% of doable sites I think assault system will be small for 2 fleets, but doable at least. Also to disprove 24/7 waitlist argument...lol It is a lie most communities have their prime time and single hq fleet,after that I usualy log in to see an fc scrambling for hour's to get a vg fleet rolling. So theres that. http://i.imgur.com/1N37t.jpg http://i.imgur.com/KTjFEt6.jpg I dont always fly stabber but when i do...
Coffee Rocks Thrall Nation Brave Collective 300	Posted - 2014.08.22 09:55:00 - [84] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: The actual buff comes from the decrease from when an incursion is finished and a new one spawns. That's welcome news in a situation where one ticked off group can kill all the high sec incursions for a weekend. Dis. http://www.thecoffeerocks.com Twitter: @thecoffeerocks \|-áSteam: CoffeeRocks-á https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=327221

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