The actual buff comes from the decrease from when an incursion is finished and a new one spawns. That's welcome news in a situation where one ticked off group can kill all the high sec incursions for a weekend.

That's being changed, from a 24-48hr respawn time to around 12h. So wont be a weekend of no incursions.

The actual buff comes from the decrease from when an incursion is finished and a new one spawns. That's welcome news in a situation where one ticked off group can kill all the high sec incursions for a weekend.

That's being changed, from a 24-48hr respawn time to around 12h. So wont be a weekend of no incursions.

Given the antagonism I witness between some of the Incursion communities, it will simply mean more Mom's popped.
The only overall uptime we will gain is the time it takes to get the bar 100%. Then the asshats will immediately move in.

Given the antagonism I witness between some of the Incursion communities, it will simply mean more Mom's popped.
The only overall uptime we will gain is the time it takes to get the bar 100%. Then the asshats will immediately move in.

Null Bears and WH Rats are big whiners; If the addition of content that generates less than a 'lvl3 grind' with 25 billion in equipment, or the streamlining of content that has been in effect for years, is so terribad for Null or WH then don't come crying to the forums. I advise them to get in an Incursion fleet.

We can help you make a little ISK. That is if you can follow instructions, bring a properly fitted ship, not get ganked in site or in transit and not go full ****** on comms.

Or is it all to do about nothing?

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I think its more the fact you can make more ISK per hour (which is all that the 23/7 runners care for) in the relative safety of hisec, than you can in a C1-C3 hole. That is very very broken.

If you're going to accuse someome of crying, at least understand why they're saying what they are, lest you make yourself look like an insufferable moron.

As I made considerably more ISK in less time with less stress in a WH than I do on a normal day running Incursions. If you want a beginner/introductory level WH to make more ISK than a community of 100s of players running Incursion content then you are the one looking for CCP to make you some unbalanced gameplay and not the victim here. This reminds me of the poor father with three daughters, all of them wailing away about how the other daughter got more, bigger, better yada yada yada. When in reality they are all getting the same damn thing.

I figured I am an excellent candidate to speak to the Insufferable Morons that have no clue or no desire to visit the facts about Incursions, ISK, RvR or anything else not directly linked to them getting a buff be it undeserved or not. So find a different chew-doll to grind on, your arguments are hollow and over-discussed in a thousand threads already. It's not easy, it's not risk free, it's not something any moron can do, and it's not breaking the damn game; but these diverting comments in forum threads just might.

The scout changes are harmless. The NCN wall changes and mothership respawn changes are bad for the game, and will encourage people to leave null/low/WH space to grind highsec incursions instead.

Isn't this change to Incursions everywhere? Those aren't just a high sec thing. Wormholers are even getting something this release (though not from this change).

You haven't been to the wormhole subforum recently have you

To answer your point though, yes changes are to all Incursions. But you won't find the majority of the Incursion community taking all their shinies into a Nullsec Incursion. Too risky for that stuff... (Go on Goldiiee, prove me wrong. Make up some bullshit about how you risk your billion ISK ships where you can be freely shot at... I dare you... )

It's more the case that, except for the odd incursion that spawns very deep in sovereign null (nowhere near a contested border), the ISK per hour of using a blinged, PVP-incapable highsec incursion boat in a highsec incursion system far exceeds the ISK per hour of using a ship that's easily replaced in nullsec or lowsec incursions.

If, for instance, eleven Goonswarm pilots want to run incursions, it simply makes economic sense for them to jump on highsec alts and use blinged boats, rather than running sites in a lowsec incursion, unless their sole purpose is to provoke a fight.

If, for instance, eleven Goonswarm pilots want to run incursions, it simply makes economic sense for them to jump on highsec alts and use blinged boats, rather than running sites in a lowsec incursion, unless their sole purpose is to provoke a fight.

Last time I asked about this subject, it was mentioned that they just try to headshot the incursion as quickly as possible to just get it out of their space, they don't actually use it since it's an overall detriment.

maaaagic missile....

A much un-needed buff, IMO. If you don't want someone to kill the mothership kill them, instead.

A wardec takes 24 hours to go into affect. You cannot stop somebody from popping a mom.

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As a goon from SomethingAwful I hope they do not buff high sec because noobs dont need money, they should go to 0.0 because of risk vs reward

Did you just stealth suggest that...mmmh... maybe sec status of an incursion system should be temporarily lowered? Maybe even further for each day that it's running?

That would cause TOOO much issues. And would really cause playhers to elave game. People that just log in and undock intheir msot precious ship to then discover the system is now 0.4. And they have everything they own on that station...

They will simply not play during that weekend... result soon they stop playing the game.

Or imagine niarja becomes a low sec.. splitting high sec in 2...

As a goon from SomethingAwful I hope they do not buff high sec because noobs dont need money, they should go to 0.0 because of risk vs reward

I think incursions should spawn in locations all over the map, they should be lowsec and also null, it would create more risk to warrant the high isk involved in incursions and create content while adding a bit more gameplay to low and nullsec, not to mention creating more economy to the market from tge loss of expensive ships and pods

If you can make more ISK in a single C1 or C2 hole in a day than in an incursion, then I bow down to your almighty glory because this is something that even the wormhole CSM member corbexx is trying to show to CCP. As for more risk in a hisec incursion through PvP, yes, you are completely right, of course, what was I thinking ... (that's sarcasm in case you were wondering, I don't see your incursion fleet getting rolled onto and dropped on by T3's and HIC's ... ... Yet ... )

The facts and figures talk for themselves in that the most ISK per hour (other than capital escalations is in hisec incursions). And also something CCP Fozzie during the Wormhole townhall meeting said he would def need to look into. (granted that will be soon (tm) but still the case)

Sometimes I read something and can't tell if it's trolling or if the poster is actually that clueless lol.

As a goon from SomethingAwful I hope they do not buff high sec because noobs dont need money, they should go to 0.0 because of risk vs reward

Here you go, for the Nul sec groups they will now be able to bring 50% more toons into a site and still get paid the same per toon. Nul sec VG ship limit brought up to 15.


CCP Rise
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4931846#post4931846

That's not CCP Rise lol.

And that's just a cosmetic change really, it doesn't really help anything as no one does null sec incursions for isk, they are either left to wither and die in a constellation no one cares about or they are super blitzed (50 man fleets in VGs) to get the damn annoying things out of your space. The randomness is a factor plays a part as well, no one is gonna invade someone else space with even 15 cheapish ships to do some PVE when they can just rat (SOV null) or mission (NPC Null) at home.

CCP should take incursions out of null (they are nothing more than annoyances and navigational hazards) and buff low sec incursions to the point where people want to do them and/or fight over them.

You seem to keep jumping to conclusions and basing your argument off incompatible fact.

beginner/introductory level WH

Having tried these on SISI, I can't imagine anyone thinking these are a lucrative ISK faucet, took nearly 15 minutes to run a scout site for a 3.5mil pay-out with a full-on shiny 5 ship fleet.

Edit; Oh, First! (Following the crowds example)

Really, so the fact that a friend of mine runs nothing but incursions day in and day out, essentially farming them and getting so much ISK it's coming out of his eyeballs, is me jumping to conclusions. Ah okay then my mistake, he must be totally wrong when he looks at his wallet.

You mean the lower claas holes where the majority of wormhole PvP takes place right? Or are you going to harp on about how a wormhole is 100% safe?

I won't argue with you anymore, I get more sense out of an orange. Good day.

So since your friend is ridding the coattails of everyone that set it up, keeps it going and manages all the behind the scene stuff, you are now an expert in Incursion ISK and Incursion Logistics. Yeah keep talking to your orange, at least with it you have a similar IQ to converse with.

And yes you want to shut down a WH and keep it safe for farming it can be done, it is done with teams of less than the minimum required for a VG fleet. If you applied the same amount of effort and thought to a WH roam/farm operation as we do to an Incursion operation you could have relative safety and unlimited ISK. But you lack the foresight, the willingness to put forth the effort, and after this conversation I am left without a doubt that you lack the intelligence.

You are comparing apples and oranges, and angry none of them taste like an avocado, get a grip.

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You are not supposed to farm them you douche nozzle.

I can tell you were born yesterday, but I didn't know it was last night. repeating it over and over doesn't seem to get through.

Apples
Oranges

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Have a nice day,

I'm confused

Nice to know you can't field a proper counter argument. Point proven.
Also, Apples and Oranges do have similarities y'know. They are both fruit and both grown on trees. (In case you didn't know).
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Gotta admit douchenozzle is pretty good...

As I stated beginner/introductory level WH Should not be making as much as organized group content that requires 100's of community members.

goons hating high sec incursions? man that sounds redundant-- they hate high sec in general any buff to any thing high sec will be hated by the nullbears... this isn't 'beatargetforgoons online' or did i read the info on this game wrong?

No Greenseed, I started out with a 5 Ishtar setup, with assigned drones to get around the jamming, then I went to command ships (Eos) then to a mixed fleet of BS/Cruisers and Logi, then finally a shiny Machs and Nightmares fleet.

The spider Ishtar and Eos setups worked pretty good but the rats moved off to 100-140km pretty quick making us have to relocate and reset a couple times.

The mixed fleet left the cruiser at a disadvantage, as the few targets that he could maintain range on were dead quick and left him with nothing to do till the next spawn.

The Shiny BS fleet. blapped away through each wave but at a loss of one ship at (For the most part) all times due to permajam.

There is no beginner/introductory level WH. Wormholes mean -1.0 sec status, no local, cloaky death. C1-C4 wormholes are only different to C5,C6 systems in that they tend to have easier logistics and soloable PVE content.

Oh man. You are all such a huge bunch of farming neckbeards. Stick to incursion crofting and stop talking about stuff you don't know about, like wormhole income.

-things-

you realize an incursion runner can run literally hundreds of sites in a day while even me, living in a c6, will run probably 30 sites a week at absolute most, right

there are not infinite sites in a wormhole

You mean 96 sites a day in 24 hours of 15 minutes per site, no bio breaks no stopping to eat and only if 40 other people are willing to run continuously. Exaggerating everything is never a good idea.


Edit; Oops 94 total sites forgot about the 30 minute mandatory down time.

You can do so much more if you manage to run 5 fleet of 39 to cover all spawn while your toon bunny hop from one fleet to the other just to cash in the payout.

It's amazing how virtually every incursion thread here is flooded by incessant whining from the nullsec and WH folks about isk/hour and risk/reward delusions. If highsec incursions are really such a cut above everything else, then drop what you are doing and come run them. Somehow, despite incursions apparently being the easiest and quickest isk/hour in Eve, fleets are often operating at below optimal numbers, if at all.

Instead, what I think is actually going on here, is that that the nullsec folks who spend 80% of their day engaging in mind-numbing afk ratting in a carrier in sov null, and the wormhole folks who spend all day farming sites in C4-C6 holes somehow feel entitled to financial prosperity, and spam the forums in an attempt to shut down and kind of enjoyable and rewarding activities in highsec, so that everyone needs to join them in the current boredom of nullsec and wormholes. How about doing what you enjoy, and not spending all of your time trying to nerf things that other people enjoy?

So do the Sansha pay CONCORD off so that they are free to snatch civilians off planets?

It would be better if all CONCORD actions were prevented during incursions, then CCP could triple the payouts for all i care. Right now, the risk vs. reward is shockingly unbalanced.

You can definitely make more isk afk ratting in a carrier in deep goon sov than you can running missions.

AFK ratting in a carrier? Okay dude...

Scout sites 3.5 mil.......?

Or is it all to do about nothing?



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The actual buff comes from the decrease from when an incursion is finished and a new one spawns. That's welcome news in a situation where one ticked off group can kill all the high sec incursions for a weekend.