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HappyKitten
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2006.08.03 17:09:00 -
[31]
 Originally by: KuranesGrey
what's interesting about Eve isn't the Forum Warriors, it's the market dynamics.
misguided...
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KuranesGrey
Oberon Incorporated
Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2006.09.02 16:41:00 -
[32]
The smacktalker trader has finally been broken. Someone new came into the Domain market about two weeks ago and placed very large buy and sell orders for all +1 implants with a 10-20% spread. Ie: buy 100 at 400,000, sell 100 at 450,000. Bigger orders than the smack talker could clear. The new trader seems quite willing to maintain orders with the smaller profit margin.
In retrospect I should have done this myself. I was trying to narrow the spreads with smaller orders and wider spreads. Basically too greedy. It took a bigger commitment than I made to take over the market.
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Marlenus
Caldari
Ironfleet Towing And Salvage
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Posted - 2006.09.17 09:14:00 -
[33]
He's still at it and still smacking.
In my region, he was buying up all the +1 charismas for a fraction of their mineral value. I started outbidding him; hey, I like free minerals. He's called me an idiot, a moron, dumb, stupid, and all sorts of stuff like that, but his big shtick is that "I don't know how the market works." He's tried dumping into my buy orders once they get up near the mineral value, but when I can turn around and process the implants, sell the minerals, and place *bigger* buy orders, I don't see how he hopes to break me.
It's actually really funny. I kinda like being called an idiot by a guy who keeps giving me free minerals. "I don't think that word means what you think that word means..."
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Scionissis
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Posted - 2006.09.17 11:03:00 -
[34]
Hi. I'll be joining this trade :) - Sounds like a lot of fun!
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Ezoran DuBlaidd
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.09.17 14:21:00 -
[35]
Originally by: KuranesGrey
sock-puppetry.
i like that term!
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Maximum Panic
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Posted - 2006.09.18 17:57:00 -
[36]
This +1 implant article has a funny parallel to real life media coverage on a commodity. Quick buck manipulators will be like those people that are watching CNBC and think now is a good time to buy energy stocks (becaue CNBC ran a report that said it was....).
When you guys graduate to the +3 market give me a call.
I have routinely cleared Jita of +3 implants for "redistribution" to more profitable locales. I am not greedy and my target is just to make 10-15% off the carry. The key of any market is data --> I know the true demand and buy rate of the real life players in many remote regions for +3 implants.
If the manipulators start to buy up like crazy that is when I see the "spike" and unload all my implants (or other goods i stockpile) then wait for the real things to settle. Made billions on the mineral market every time market manipulators come in.....
Market PVP doesn't send you an eve killmail - but that flashing in your wallet sure hurts just as much I bet.
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Scionissis
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Posted - 2006.09.18 21:07:00 -
[37]
^ wow, your ePeen sure is big. I'm impressed.
...anyway. Back to the topic at hand. One of the alts is bugging me and starting to make threats. I'll reduce the spread on all +1 implants to 50k see if he accepts my offer of buying me out of the market. I don't mind a 50k profit per implant. Lets see how long he wants to put up with it. 
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Marlenus
Caldari
Ironfleet Towing And Salvage
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Posted - 2006.09.20 00:31:00 -
[38]
Yeah, threats indeed.
He just told me he was about to get Tycoon, and with all his spare market slots he was going to track down everything I'm buying and selling and make it cost a lot more. And with all the money he made from doing that, he was going to hire people to pod me.
It's *amazing* how much anger and energy he brings to his market efforts!
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Scionissis
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Posted - 2006.09.20 01:59:00 -
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You too huh? He's threatened pretty much the same to me. The most recent line was that he was going to make me hurt, etc etc etc. He also claimed that since I'd made him log in 9 times a day (how sad!) he was making 5 times as much profit and that my buy/sell orders had netted him 350% profit. Meh. I don't care, I'm still making some cash, and now I'm just messing with the orders for spite  .
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OutOfTheBox Cyborg
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Posted - 2006.09.20 11:02:00 -
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yup this guy was buying mem 1's off me at 2 mil a go at one point and selling them at 1.5 in order to teach me a lesson! The guys eve mails became so derranged that I became worried about his well being. I sincerely hope he is getting the help he needs and not just living some isolated life and going more and more mad.
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Marlenus
Caldari
Ironfleet Towing And Salvage
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Posted - 2006.09.21 00:47:00 -
[41]
Yeah, I'm a little worried about his mental health.
He sold me a bunch of implants for less than mineral value (!) and then sent me smackmail about how he'd "slammed them down my throat."
He sure showed me...
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Scionissis
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Posted - 2006.09.21 01:46:00 -
[42]
All he has to do is pay me 50m isk and I'll leave the market to him. How fair is that? ;)
Anyway, does anyone have a good spreadsheet with the cost in minerals for most/all T1 items? It would be good to know what is a 'bargain' for refining alone!
I think i'll keep messing with him. A few orders a day, here and there should make him smile, and hey, as the guy said, I'm helping him make more profit!
Perhaps he's been visiting the underpants gnomes:
Step 1: Buy implants
Step 2: Sell for less than bought
Step 3: ????
PROFIT!!11oneone!!
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Angry Sheep
Amarr
Aur0ra
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Posted - 2006.10.06 10:30:00 -
[43]
This thread and another has made me laugh so much, I always found trade to me more ruthles that pirating.
This trader has broken the number one rule, and by shouting about it all, made us aware of the money to be made.
Looks like a new business venture for "Angry Enterprises"
w00t w00t here I come...
It's a Dog eat Dog World out there and I'm wearing Milky Bone underwear
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F'nog
Amarr
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.15 02:42:00 -
[44]
Any other news on this? I'm wondering if PP has done anything else amusing lately?
Originally by: DB Preacher
The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when backdoor bandit is in local.
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Zelma Moonlight
Trader's Academy
Daikoku Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.15 11:19:00 -
[45]
I got this friendly mail today:
Quote:
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I will pod you. then I will pod you again , then i will pod you again. I hope your caring alot of items when I do it.
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you are "playing" in "my" market" I will pod you everytime I see you bid against me.
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As I have started buying and selling +1 implants in my starter station, I suspect this is the angry player mentioned here.
Personally, I think a trader who is so angry about a three week old competitor must be in a very weak position.
For a few 10.000s isk profit, I will do a lot of extra jumps. Somehow I don't see how any older player could compete with that.
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Scionissis
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Posted - 2006.10.16 01:32:00 -
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He's still doing it. And now and then me or an alt like to mess with him a bit. I've made good money off the guy :)
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2006.10.20 00:46:00 -
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I don't care if the margin is 300%, if it's 300% of 100-200k like it is in the system I'm in then it's a complete waste of time.
I can make 1-50 mil per item with a 5-20% margin or I can make 200k at a 300% margin. Lets see... do I care about the ISK or the margin...
I guess for people with piddles for money it's nice... but otherwise I don't get it. Plus I don't notice any of these implants being over 300k in my region... not even close to the 1+ mil stated in this thread.
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SonOfAGhost
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2006.10.20 04:50:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Shadarle
Plus I don't notice any of these implants being over 300k in my region... not even close to the 1+ mil stated in this thread.
Please specify the region and how many are on the market, I'll bring my hauler.
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Futuri
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Posted - 2006.10.20 14:23:00 -
[49]
Edited by: Futuri on 20/10/2006 14:23:55
I wonder if the guy makes any money at all, filling your competitor's orders is never good for the bottom line :P
he does it again
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Motivated Prophet
Zerodot Schools
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Posted - 2006.11.09 01:21:00 -
[50]
Edited by: Motivated Prophet on 09/11/2006 01:21:58
Trin is one of his alts:
Originally by: "EVEMails"
2006.11.08 05:35
you are truelly slow. look at when you were outbid, it was before you sent this. so you lied again. becuase im not outbid. can we say SLOW. get back on that short
bus!
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2006.11.08 05:33
Perhaps you missed the part about not caring.
BTW, you're outbid. Stop typing EVEMails and start playing the market, kid.
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2006.11.08 05:28
that might take awhile becuase your clearly slow. you know 4 of my characters. how about the other 20?
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2006.11.08 05:27
Meh. I let you know when I begin to care.
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2006.11.08 05:18
read the boards and "bios" there are many more. i wont give you the names becuase , well your a moron. ready to deal yet?
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2006.11.08 05:15
You can't be everywhere with Paper Pusher, Goldie Maker, Trinitey, Day Dreamer....
<3
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2006.11.08 05:05
omg your not only slow your a moron to boot. IM everywhere. JITA is the CHEAPEST for you to BUY at. Id be Losing ISK here is I wasnt supporting it from other
regions.
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2006.11.08 05:03
I pay your prices? Try again. I pay my prices. Jack Jita around all you like; I'm everywhere. :)
And the IQ is probably not a good topic to bring up. You'll lose that battle, and it's not one I enjoy winning.
Yours,
MP
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2006.11.08 04:59
and all that belittling is going to get you a better price. in fact. id go as far as to GIVE you all the +1 implants youll ever want if your IQ was more than mine.
If your to Ignorant to understand my meaning becuase I misspelled a word then get back on that SHORT bus and go back to school.
your prices keep going UUUUUUUUUPPPPPPPPPPPPPP!
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2006.11.08 04:54
It's spelled "throw" and "laughable".
Also, there's this thing called a "shift" key. It makes letters B-I-G. Readability ftw.
At any rate, as I said, I'll just stick to ripping you off with alts whenever I need another batch.
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2006.11.08 04:52
im fine in the kiddie +1 market. its Mine. Im ok with that. your the 1 coming to the kiddie market and trying to through a laugable 12 billion isk around like its
something.
If you had that much you would just buy them. you are clearly clueless.
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2006.11.08 04:46
Stop trying to be Taiwanese National. You're not half the man he is.
Go play in the tech2 market with the big boys. Or keep to your kiddie pool of +1's. Whatever.
I'll just keep ripping you off with alts. :-D
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2006.11.08 04:45
lets rock MORON. now you get NOTHING and like it. I have 16 times your ISK and 100 times the inventory.
Im not the newb here. Get back on your SHORT bus and go back to school , take youer meds and try to learn something
And, yeah, he's still at it. I especially liked when he tried to blackmail me:
Originally by: "EVEMails"
2006.11.09 01:03
Ill meet you in the middle. 1.6m a set and I wont show this letter to your investers. lol
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2006.11.09 00:55
Sorry, I buy at 1.4 and no higher.
Unless, of course, I'm outbidding you. Then I have no qualms--the sky's the limit.
<3,
MP
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2006.11.09 00:51
I just sold 500 sets to 1 of my good customers at 1.75m a set. id match that price on sets to you with the condition you pull your bids of course.
this is a time sensitive offer and must be accepted immediatly , becuase as you see , prices just seem to be skyrocketing
(continued)
Edit: incorrect QUOTE tags.
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Motivated Prophet
Zerodot Schools
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Posted - 2006.11.09 01:24:00 -
[51]
And then, with his uber skills, managed to both raise and lower the price in the same EVEMail after I responded:
Originally by: "EVEMails"
2006.11.09 01:09
it took 9 months to be able to pay what I pay for them. why should your punk mouth entitle you to a share of that? are you truelly that slow, ive made more isk per
unit since you placed your bids. having your rediculous bids is working in my favor.
1.7 and thats my last offer. you hold steady ill just keep raising the prices. ill go 1 better. ill go 1.5 RIGHT NOW and if you pass on then I promise it will cost you
20% more per day
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2006.11.09 01:05
Son,
I'll go post this letter on eve-o right now if it'd make you feel better.
If my investors think I'd spend a penny in the same way I talk one when I'm negotiating a deal, then they wouldn't have given me their isk in the first place.
1.6 is not acceptable. 1.4 is. I know what you pay for your implants. 1.4 or there is no offer.
Is there really that much money to be made in +1's? I mean, Jesus, this guy apparently has nothing better to do than outbid me by 0.01 isk and send me half-intelligible EVEMails. I don't know whether to petition him for harrassment or quote him on OMGRawr.
At any rate, long story short, he's still at it, lol.
MP
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Futuri
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.09 04:56:00 -
[52]
Priceless...
By the way, good luck with your skillbook venture, nice idea, I wish I had some spare cash to invest 
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Kesslan Osefice
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Posted - 2006.11.09 05:47:00 -
[53]
Been reading the threads about this guy and it's funny as hell. Makes me wonder how many other people are out there like him? I mean I run a small production corp atm, but this maket trading stuff where you get all sorts of silly threats seems much more fun. 
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Futuri
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.09 05:52:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Kesslan Osefice
Been reading the threads about this guy and it's funny as hell. Makes me wonder how many other people are out there like him? I mean I run a small production corp atm, but this maket trading stuff where you get all sorts of silly threats seems much more fun.
It's not that much fun actually, that guy is unique, thats why all the excitement :p
Sometimes you do get involved in a bid war but I usually don't even bother to figure out whom I'm fighting, it takes time and time = ISK, hehe.
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Kesslan Osefice
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Posted - 2006.11.09 07:41:00 -
[55]
Aww, what a pitty. And here I thought all you die hard market traders really lived it up and had secret wars with one another the rest of the EVE World never gets to see ala Shadowrun!
Mr. Johnson: There is a particular... thorn in the side of my employer. Your target is a simple Subway eatery establishment manager by day. But by night he is known as Margin Trader007.
Runners: And what's the pay?
Mr. Johnson: My employer is willing to pay you 300M ISK to.... deal with this particular thorn. His trading savy has become too much of a threat, and he must be elimited. A bonus of 50M a clone head has also been authorized. We are also willing to buy what ever +1 implants can be found in the wreckage of his ships.
Runners: Well, I guess that sounds pretty good. Anything else?
Mr. Johnson: Yes, this conversation never happend, and no one else is to ever know why Mr Margin Trader007 has been targeted. If so much of a peep comes out to the rest of the EVE World, you will be.... dealt with. Such things... would destroy EVE as it is now known to be. You wouldnt want that now would you?
Runners: Cetainly not Mr. Johnson, we accept. Any other available data on the target would of course be apperciated.
Mr. Johnson slides over an EVEMail containing the pertinent advance, and the Runner's wallets blink. "Here is a small advance in.... good faith that this job will be done properly."
Runner1: Rock on! We can sooo get some new T2 guns with these!
Runner2: Wewt! New T2 capcharger for me!
Runner3: LOL!!11 I'm OMGWTFBBQPWN that d0O|) so f@st!!!!!111
Runner4: Heh.. I just put in a buy order for 10,000 bottles of spirits and exotic dancers to celebrate!
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Stoick Furious
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Posted - 2006.11.09 15:04:00 -
[56]
You guys should leave him and his +1 implant market fixing alone. It sounds like he's saving up for a brain.
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SencneS
Amarr
Keepers of the Holy Bagel
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Posted - 2006.11.09 17:56:00 -
[57]
Be thankful it's just +1 implants.
In my early beginnings I had a great thing going with Vitoc. about a month after I started I was able to buy 6000 units at 7500ea and sell it at 12000ea I was making a fortune.
Then someone who I was "undercutting" threatened me, it turned into a price war, profits on both sides where low. Then a third party came in. The guy I was undercutting paid some Pirate like 25million to kill this 3rd guy. However the pirate he paid was known to me which I had already paid my "right to trade" fee in the system. So they wouldn't take the contract on me, but they said if he offers more they would.
I was even debating to put a contract on the guy that threatened me. I was going to go as high as 50mil for his corpse and the kill mail.
The moral is, people with money that you interfere with will do anything they can to make you stop.  Be thankful you're talking about 20% spread instead of a 75% on large quality of items.
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Futuri
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.09 21:30:00 -
[58]
Originally by: SencneS
Be thankful it's just +1 implants.
In my early beginnings I had a great thing going with Vitoc. about a month after I started I was able to buy 6000 units at 7500ea and sell it at 12000ea I was making a fortune.
Then someone who I was "undercutting" threatened me, it turned into a price war, profits on both sides where low. Then a third party came in. The guy I was undercutting paid some Pirate like 25million to kill this 3rd guy. However the pirate he paid was known to me which I had already paid my "right to trade" fee in the system. So they wouldn't take the contract on me, but they said if he offers more they would.
I was even debating to put a contract on the guy that threatened me. I was going to go as high as 50mil for his corpse and the kill mail.
The moral is, people with money that you interfere with will do anything they can to make you stop. Be thankful you're talking about 20% spread instead of a 75% on large quality of items.
How can killing someone prevent him from trading? If someone really ****ed me off in a price war I would just place a huge buy order at 3% spread and resume normal operation in a week or so when the guy gave up. Yes it would kill the profit for that week but you would not be losing any money and such an order would not take much time to maintain...
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Motivated Prophet
Zerodot Schools
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Posted - 2006.11.09 23:42:00 -
[59]
Well, he made the mistake of showing me his stockpiles (nice e-peen!). He has about a billion isk-worth of each implant in Jita. So if you want to take his lunch money, it's a bit of an investment. You could probably focus on just one implant type and do well, though. All his characters are in noobcorps, so he can't hold corp orders; you might also do well putting up multiple buy orders for the same thing and manipulating them to lock him out for the duration of the 5-minute order-change timer.
Frankly, I'd really like for someone to break the guy, but I just don't have the finances (okay, fine, I DO, but my shareholders would NOT be amused, lol) to do it. Spreads in Jita are holding at 50-100%, which is just ridiculous.
Who wants to step up to the plate and take this guy down?
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Futuri
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.10 00:36:00 -
[60]
Hmm if he's only at 1 billion I might do that. I just tied myself up in another feist tho so it might take a week before I have the funds :P
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