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Jur Tissant
Unreal Darkness
181
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Posted - 2014.08.21 23:26:00 -
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It makes it fun to talk about spaceship battles when you can report damages greater than a person's salary.
However, I don't really consider ISK all that valuable. I am willing to sacrifice 800mil ISK to save me fifteen bucks, even if all that amounts to is a few gallons of gas. I aim to have fun when I play EVE so I don't "work" for the ISK the same way I work for dollars. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11099
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Posted - 2014.08.21 23:52:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: can see the upside to your point, but the downside is that following such news comes a lot of handwringing about "gilded ages" and "rich white guys playing games". I'm expecting a headline "20 titans destroyed, women and minorities impacted the most".
So in addition to the bad reputation of the game for the other reasons, comes this equally bad impression that we are all rich playboys with money to burn for our jollies while children starve to death in that gap between our mansion and the 5 car garage.
It does not take much effort to see how easily and how stupidly "the masses" (say it fast and what does it sound like?) misinterpret the "ISK destroyed = $$ spent" metric. It becomes yet one more thing I had to explain more than once and such one more reason why I don't tell anybody I play this game any more.
The Cyclone is my favorite ship. I have a Cyclone in RL (a Mercury Cyclone GT - very rare) and I look forlornly at the EvE sticker I bought 5 years ago with the intent to put it in the back window of the car.
if you're concerned about what fat idiots put into the comments sections of articles on fox news or other mainstream news sites i don't know what to tell you Twitter: @EVEAndski
"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -á-á - Abrazzar |
Gallowmere Rorschach
Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation
722
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Posted - 2014.08.22 00:21:00 -
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Jur Tissant wrote:It makes it fun to talk about spaceship battles when you can report damages greater than a person's salary.
However, I don't really consider ISK all that valuable. I am willing to sacrifice 800mil ISK to save me fifteen bucks, even if all that amounts to is a few gallons of gas. I aim to have fun when I play EVE so I don't "work" for the ISK the same way I work for dollars. Then you must reeeaaally hate your job. I'll gladly spend two extra hours at work per week to never have to look at Eve PVE again. |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
1565
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Posted - 2014.08.22 01:35:00 -
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Jenni LaCroix wrote:
Actually, I am using my brain but I believe you simply are too ignorant to understand other people's opinions, thus that can be seen in your first reply where you basically state that all that don't think like you are daydreaming.
So right now, I am choosing out of my free time to write you a reply. It is done out of free will in my free time and to me this has absolutely no value. There is no codex of human behavior anywhere that states that each time I do something that it is out of my free will, that I must apply work time multiplied by my work value.
But I believe that people like you even think that each time they take a dump, that the turd is actually worth real life money, due to like you mentioned, taking a crap time (work) is multiplied by whatever you consider your work value is. Heh, I am sure the turds you drop that have the size of a banana must be worth gold to you.
There is NO such thing as free time... you can never ever get it back its gone spent. IT was NOT free. You spent the possibilities that your life had for that ime.
NOthign is free. ANyone that do not grasp taht is a poor fool. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Grog Aftermath
Need more grog
40
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Posted - 2014.08.22 02:19:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:Jenni LaCroix wrote:
Actually, I am using my brain but I believe you simply are too ignorant to understand other people's opinions, thus that can be seen in your first reply where you basically state that all that don't think like you are daydreaming.
So right now, I am choosing out of my free time to write you a reply. It is done out of free will in my free time and to me this has absolutely no value. There is no codex of human behavior anywhere that states that each time I do something that it is out of my free will, that I must apply work time multiplied by my work value.
But I believe that people like you even think that each time they take a dump, that the turd is actually worth real life money, due to like you mentioned, taking a crap time (work) is multiplied by whatever you consider your work value is. Heh, I am sure the turds you drop that have the size of a banana must be worth gold to you.
There is NO such thing as free time... you can never ever get it back its gone spent. IT was NOT free. You spent the possibilities that your life had for that ime. NOthign is free. ANyone that do not grasp taht is a poor fool.
I have plenty of free time, technically it's all free, didn't have to pay for it.
People choose to place a monetary value on their time, it's just something people do. I don't look at it that way though, I take a far more casual approach.
Same with virtual items, people choose to place a value on them even though there really isn't one. Doubt there will ever be a time where a company can claim virtual items as financial assets in regard to their company. Something with 0 value can't be a financial asset.
In an mmo say like WoW where someone buys a mount from the shop. They're not purchasing the mount they're purchasing the ability/license to use it. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
4260
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Posted - 2014.08.22 03:52:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote: You ruined your portrait.
If you wanna keep this, at least find lighting that makes it look less ******.
Thanks.
:(( |
Jenni LaCroix
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2014.08.22 13:47:00 -
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So let's say CCP is Mother nature and it allows you to buy flowers or pick them up for free. Mother nature decides suddenly that flowers can be bought with RL money in the local and only mother nature owned flower market for real money, but you are only allowed to buy flowers and not sell them. You can never sell any flowers anywhere because they belong to mother nature. However, you are also allowed to pick your own flowers for free, as much as you like. So I put my red riding hood on and go pick myself some flowers and proudly exhibit them in my garden. Suddenly some people come and trample on the flowers, and those people now laugh their arses off that I lost the equivalent of let's say, inventing, 1000 $. They laugh their arses off like there is no tomorrow, they are so excited that I lost 1000$ because of them. Not understanding what they laugh about, I take out my 12 gauge and before I can aim, they already covered 10 miles fleeing, while I just go and pick some flowers again , in my free spare time, out of my own free will. Let's say this repeats itself every single day. So it is safe to say (according to many replies), that I am at a horrible loss, I will most probably end up living under a bridge soon at this rate, because the people that come trample my flowers that I get for no cost, they believe I am actually losing physical money, but apparently what they do not understand is, that since what they are doing, to them that time they use to do this is worth real money, than they are losing money themselves, because they keep destroying something that I've got unlimited supplies of, as long as mother nature exists. |
Audovacar
Least Fixed Point
0
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Posted - 2014.08.22 14:18:00 -
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Jenni LaCroix wrote: ... CCP ... allows you to buy flowers or pick them up for free.
... my flowers that I get for no cost This is where you're getting confused and where all the "time = money" arguments are aimed.
You are thinking that anything which you don't have to pay dollars, pounds, euros or some other RL currency for has no cost.
The "time = money" guys understand that cost is a more general thing. One example of a cost that is not monetary is time. Other examples of costs might be things like your health or social status.
Now the point of saying "time = money" is that costs in one sphere can be converted to costs in another sphere. If you want to put up a fence you can either build it yourself (costs you time, might cost your health if you're not careful) or you can pay someone with money. Making a decision between these two options relies upon an internal "exchange rate" between these different kinds of cost. (You probably won't pin down a numerical value but you might say things like "it will take me 8 hours to put up my fence?? not worth it!")
In EVE you can buy PLEX for RL money and sell for isk. This pins down the relevant "exchange rate". As many others have said, you can't legally get back the monetary value of isk or in-game assets, but it provides a useful standard to compare the various costs and/or benefits of actions and choices in EVE. |
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
689
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Posted - 2014.08.22 14:20:00 -
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Effect One wrote:Although you briefly touch upon it, I think you seriously underestimate the personal worth players of any persistent world attach to 'their' in game possessions...... spent some amount of time attaining......People naturally attach worth to things they own or perceive to own, regardless of how they obtained said items . Going to pick and choose what I think is relevant, but EVE needs to do away with the clone upgrading (include insurance payout, to further the isk sink) and "being immortal", period...ship blows up, no more pod, (your mind is updated every time you visit a station to stay within lore reason that you didn't completely die..autosave feature like in RL how you always loose something except for the last few minutes), and only the latest copy remains....you will loose some skill points every time.
Why?
Make it harsher, put into the perspective what its like to actually loose something important...which will then put the value of your monthly subscription tied into the game / 30 days trained time = time well spent. Cause now you have a real harsh world, where its not what you lose flying but what you lost in the experience of the moment you went boom
edit: typo |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
5798
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Posted - 2014.08.22 17:59:00 -
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Indisputable time = money 101 revelations aside, this is simply a semantics troll.
The player that says:
"I lost a ship that was worth $1000" is entirely correct as you don't have to own something personally for it to have a monetary value, nor do you personally need to have the ability to sell it for it to have a monetary value.
The player that says:
"I just lost $1000 when that ship blew up" may or may not be correct, depending on whether he actually PAID $1000 for that ship originally (as he is out both the $1000 and the item that money purchased).
Slight difference in wording, big difference in meaning and factuality.
Bouncing back and forth between the two wordings and intentions, while clever in it's own way, doesn't really help your case. If you like EVE Online and War Thunder content stop by my YouTube channel.-á
Ranger 1 Presents https://www.youtube.com/user/Ranger1Presents |
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Celthric Kanerian
Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation
56
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Posted - 2014.08.22 18:15:00 -
[101] - Quote
ISK = Islandic Kroner, similar to DKK, SEK, and NOK |
Greenmachine Sale
Cobalt Operations
34
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Posted - 2014.08.22 19:21:00 -
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXWflVTL5Bw&list=UUYzQdJMrjzeTUEWvRzq2Q0Q
isk is money |
Shanur
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2014.08.22 19:35:00 -
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Greenmachine Sale wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXWflVTL5Bw&list=UUYzQdJMrjzeTUEWvRzq2Q0Q
isk is money
Hey! That guy did a Let's play Battlezone!
Now there's a game that should get on GoG!
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Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
1402
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Posted - 2014.08.22 19:47:00 -
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ISK should be used like bitcoins, and replaced regular currencies.
ISK would rule the world. The Tears Must Flow |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3575
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Posted - 2014.08.22 21:10:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:[img]http://i.imgur.com/ZQTNjaB.jpg[/img] I pay for everything with ISK every day I loved your recent post about SomerBlink, and how you repeatedly reminded us how useful CSM9 were in dealing with that issue. Glad to see the CSM is finally doing something useful that actually made a difference to how CCP + Legal team would have dealt with the situation if they didn't exist.
Oh god. |
Spurty
V0LTA Triumvirate.
1382
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Posted - 2014.08.23 12:28:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:[img]http://i.imgur.com/ZQTNjaB.jpg[/img] I pay for everything with ISK every day
Woah, far out! Iceland money has a Balchinian (the alien with ********* on his chin from men in black) on it! *signature is not allowed on the EVE Online forums* |
Ninteen Seventy-Nine
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
50
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Posted - 2014.08.23 14:20:00 -
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If game currency didn't have a real life money value
we wouldn't need to worry so much about RMT "The unending paradox is that we do learn through pain." |
Adamai
Stargate Chivalry
15
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Posted - 2014.08.23 17:15:00 -
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well the subscription alone puts a value on it !! the fact that 14.99 is 30 days! then they added plex! which through supply and demand has risen ridiculously and turned your 30 days time into an in game commodity.. now your 30 days is the cost of a plex and that cost is represented by fluctuating in game prices and right now its around 800 million isk for a 30 day time code. so anything that take a full 30 days to make is worth in retrospect 800+ million isk so if your making **** and your spending 30 days to make **** and you are not earning more than 800 million isk every 30 days then crafting really isn't for you. and that's how isk has a real world money value. the value is the cost of a plex at the time of purchase. so for every 800 mill right now is -ú13.99 in cash. now factor in that the builders want to make a profit.. which depends on the markets margins.. i don't know enough right now to give accurate information but its enough to get a general idea of how the cookie crumbles. and how people are able to put a real money value on items in eve. i remember when plex was just over 300 mill isk lol. so im going to go buy and sell some plex on the market while its exspencive as hell.
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Grog Aftermath
Need more grog
42
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Posted - 2014.08.23 18:38:00 -
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Adamai wrote:well the subscription alone puts a value on it !! the fact that 14.99 is 30 days!
Subscription doesn't put a value on in-game items, it only puts a value on the license.
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