Is that unique to burner missions?

Because from what i've experienced on TQ, that doesn't seem to be the case with standard level 4 missions.

I think every other mission restricted to "frigate type vessels" allow destroyers. These do not. I assume that is by design?

Ran two of these, the Succubus and the Worm.

A+ for PVP practice
D (or low C if you get a faction drop) for being a useful way to make money.

I've spent most of my Eve pvp career in frig gangs and 1v1s, and these are an excellent way to simulate that. Genuinely tough solo fights. Slightly disappointed at the heavy use of the kiting meta, do none of them brawl?

If people are running them solo, you might want to consider extending the amount of time given for the bonus reward. I found these tough by myself and I have plenty of experience fighting in that kind of scenario.
I can imagine that a player who spends the majority of their time running lvl4s in their battleship is going to have a really difficult time of these if they run them solo.

Also slightly disappointed about the near necessity of a pirate frig or assault frig to run these. Have you considered adding lower level Burner missions for lower sp players to practice pvp in t1 and navy frigates?

The pvp side of me loves these. The side of me that likes money is underwhelmed.

Dear CCP Fozzie,

First, forgive my noobiness on that matter, but I have some questions witch I cannot find a solid answer.

1 GÇô Appears to me that new type of mission have a clear objective to approximate the pve part to the pvp part of the game, and which the conception I ask for a way to be possible for the play get a specific agent that only give burner missions. That way the player will have more ways to try to approximate the pvp part of the game, because he will have more missions to do. You already said that the reward part of the burner mission will be similar to ordinary level four missions, and giving that consideration I do not see any impediment of an exclusive burner mission agent, seems nobody will be rich doing only that kind of mission. Again, forgive me if you have another argument, please clarify that point.

2 GÇô Again, in the way to approximate the pve to pvp, I ask if will be necessary to fit the warp disruptor -¼-¼/ warp scramble modules. This is because in pvp that module seems to be a necessary one, because without it the enemy player will get away. However, the current npc AI do not warp way when in danger of being exploded. So, I ask for a new type of AI for the burner npc, which warp off if not scrambled / disrupted. I do not say warp off grid, but warp to 100km or some distance to be necessary for the play to again, tackle it.
In advanced, thank you for your consideration.

Castelo

These are good!

I got the Worm one and I'm having a hard time coming up with a ship/fit to take it down.

I've made like 7 attempts in various ships.

Don't tell me, I can figure this out.

Fun.

This blood raiders burner is the bane of my existence.

do any of them even have real scrams? no other rats in the game have real scrams afaik.

This missions are super waste of time.
We killed 15 burners, guess what, EMPTY WRECKS

All of the burners are WAY overpowered, can't be soloed, they can't be killed even with 2 players in group, you need at least 3 players.

Rewards are NONE, nothing drops.

I'll be skiping those missions, even level 1 missions are better to do and have better rewards.

The Guristas Burner ingores my scram on him once he switches to my drones.

Also one question I had, the Blood rat, he nuets, are those nuets overpowered/oversized for what would be possible to fit on a frig (eh-hem *cough* sansha incursion frigs) or are they infact small sized nuets?

I really dislike the idea of messing with the difficulty (except perhaps the rep power on the blood one as previously stated). Myself and others in the thread have proven that they are consistently beatable with t2 fit ships, without fancy implants or links.

If CCP does add more in the future, there's opportunity to add lower difficulty ones or missions tailored around larger ships, the current ones are in a good place where they are right now. Only thing I don't like is that I basically wont be able to do these missions since I have absolutely no interest running l4 missions and they are not available in any other avenue. However, I do understand that it would not make sense to add a new agent type when there are only 5 missions available. Maybe make the structure inside the mission deadspace scannable with combat probes to allow organized players to blitz the missions if they prepare (lowsec/nullsec only)?

Also another point of feedback, I assume the racial structure inside the mission does not drop any loot? They have a massive amount of HP and I wasted quite a bit of time killing a couple to see if they dropped anything. Should probably significantly reduce the HP or just make them invulnerable to avoid player confusion and frustration.

Were any of those successful ships Minmatar?

Please confirm that this is the case. Because last i looked, there was no deadspace fit for most of these frigates that will do the kind of dps that we are seeing them do, all while having a ridiculous tank. And how many different full implant sets are each of these guys sporting...or are you doing each particular stat individually..."well if he had max armor fit, his tank would be this...plus if he had max dps fit, his dmg would be this...plus if he was max nano-fit, his speed and orbit would be this.." ?

As to the 'atleast two different ships'....does it happen to be the same two ships for all the missions? And most players consider T2 rigs as not-cheap to fit, and don't regularly fit them to throw-away ships.

Was blood burner changed after the downtime?

It seems to have gained max range on its guns.

Also it seems to be passive tanked now.

Not worth it really.
Check rewards that you get from this mission.

These missions need to pay similar to Dread Pirate Scarlette since they require a lot of talent to complete. People will lose ships, so when they do complete them, the reward should be good. Also they are probably going to have a very low offer rate. My ideal income is 10,000 LP, 3 mill mission and bonus reward, and the rat should have a 10-20 mill bounty. And that's even well below the pay of Scarlette of roughly 50-60 million.

I gotta say, the pay for these missions are absolute crap... 600k isk (including time reward that is incredibly short) and around 1400 lp for the sansha one? This is in 0.0 btw.

Went in with a friend, me in an Astero and friend in an Ishkur, both active tanked to survive EM/thermal (npc was shooting lasers). He survived at 2% structure, npc was going 600m/s even with 3 webs on him, could track drones extremly easy and 2-shot them (astero drones....) and just all around rediculeous... And yet, the rewards are so ****, even when you risk a ship this expensive...

So we just agreed that from now on, we're just skipping these missions. EVE is supposed to be about risk/reward, and in this case it seems that the devs extremly misjudged the amount of risk involved, and the fact that this is a lvl 4 mission.

At least make it pay like a normal lvl 4, you only get them at random intervals so even if you "crack the code" you can't farm them.

You should find that once the rewards settle it will definitely be a better isk per hour than a normal level

So... A Guristas agent just gave me a mission to kill a Guristas burner. Can you at least fix this, please? :P

Are the normal missions still removed from the mission pool on sisi?