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Adrie Atticus
The Shadow Plague
The Bastion
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Posted - 2014.08.22 17:07:00 -
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Revis Owen wrote:Cheating in AT = Disqualification from that AT, but no perma-ban.
"Infraction X" in AT = Permaban from AT.
Could someone please fill in "Infraction X" above, which CODE. alliance committed. Obviously, "Infraction X" must be far, far worse than cheating. No-showing, even no-showing without warning, isn't worse than cheating.
If 1) no-showing without warning = AT permaban, then surely:
2) cheating = AT permaban at least, if not EVE permaban.
What was CODE.'s "Infraction X"? Because if we're just talking about "no-show without warning", I'm not seeing correct proportionality in CCP's sanction of that relative to how they sanctioned pure cheating.
Well, if one player breaks a rule, they get penalized depending on the infraction and can at most lead to banning from all future ATs. No idea what a single player would have to do to earn this.
In CODE.'s case, 12 players (including the captain) failed to show up and the captain failed to stay in the Captain's channel at all times. That's 13 infractions and CCP decided that it's good enough to ban CODE. from all future ATs.
...13 infractions.
Just an educated guess. |
virm pasuul
Mine 'N' Refine
Yulai Federation
151
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Posted - 2014.08.22 17:16:00 -
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as a guess I don't think the word educated is appropriate, you are being far too generous
team that cheats surely has just as many members?
your spin was tenuous weak sauce at best and that's me being generous |
Tyrus Tenebros
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
40
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Posted - 2014.08.22 18:33:00 -
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Are people in this thread seriously suggesting an organization with the reputation of CODE. wouldn't simply try to stir things up again similarly? OF COURSE they got permabanned as soon as they showed a propensity to use the AT as a showman stage and not a combat competition.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Character_evidence
or
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habit_evidence
if you'd like to try to imply character evidence not being directly admissible in US courts is somehow relevant to CCP making a game ruling. |
roigon
Calamitous-Intent
Feign Disorder
97
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Posted - 2014.08.22 18:51:00 -
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Regardless of who or what CODE is, CCP has been pretty clear that the AT is special and TQ antics will not be appreciated if it interferes with providing entertaining matches.
The given sanction was listed in the AT rules as the harshest penalty CCP was prepared to dish out. Simply logging off just before your match is probably the biggest middle finger you can give to the AT and it's organisers. Colour me unsurprised that CCP chose to dish out the harshest penalty. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
5799
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Posted - 2014.08.22 18:55:00 -
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Adrie Atticus wrote:Revis Owen wrote:Cheating in AT = Disqualification from that AT, but no perma-ban.
"Infraction X" in AT = Permaban from AT.
Could someone please fill in "Infraction X" above, which CODE. alliance committed. Obviously, "Infraction X" must be far, far worse than cheating. No-showing, even no-showing without warning, isn't worse than cheating.
If 1) no-showing without warning = AT permaban, then surely:
2) cheating = AT permaban at least, if not EVE permaban.
What was CODE.'s "Infraction X"? Because if we're just talking about "no-show without warning", I'm not seeing correct proportionality in CCP's sanction of that relative to how they sanctioned pure cheating. Well, if one player breaks a rule, they get penalized depending on the infraction and can at most lead to banning from all future ATs. No idea what a single player would have to do to earn this. In CODE.'s case, 12 players (including the captain) failed to show up and the captain failed to stay in the Captain's channel at all times. That's 13 infractions and CCP decided that it's good enough to ban CODE. from all future ATs. ...13 infractions. Just an educated guess.
More to the point, not only didn't they show up... they didn't even bother to notify CCP that they could not be there at all.
Of course, once they made a point of flaunting that it was just a big troll on CCP (more accurately at all of us) then CCP is fully correct in using their own discretion in the matter.
Kids, this is why CCP always allows themselves some wriggle room in their wording... so that manipulative players get away with finding a loop hole to exploit. This is also why they are so vocal is demanding CCP give them extremely specific guidelines... because that makes it easier to find and continually exploit those loop holes.
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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
4083
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Posted - 2014.08.22 18:57:00 -
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loyalanon wrote:CCP Gargant wrote:Greetings everyone!
Keeping everything crystal clear, I wanted to open a topic on this subject.
CODE. did not show up for their scheduled match against Red vs. Blue nor did they make any attempt to inform the tournament organizers of their status. We have decided to interpret their actions as a sign of resignation from the tournament. As such they have been disqualified from Alliance Tournament XII and CODE. will not be able to enter future Alliance Tournaments.
Circle-Of-Two will thus get a bye in their scheduled match against CODE. on Sunday the 24th and all subsequent matches that day will happen 20 minutes earlier than initially scheduled.
Please keep discussions about this topic in this thread.
Thanks! So Serious question and I would appreciate a response CCP Gargant. If Goonswarm, or any other (i was about to say null sec) Alliance did not show up for Alliance Tournament for "whatever" reason (considering you 100% do not know CodeDots reason) would they too be eligible for a permanent ban from future alliance tournaments? And what is the reasoning behind Codes ban compared too other teams in the past who have forfeited in previous alliance tournaments. inb4 random npc alts posting tears/comebacks "but your code" Serious question for "CCP" Gargant. and inb4 no response from CCP because xxx reason and (I deal with xxx petitions daily F### you code)
I'm pretty sure it is your attitude toward the tourney that warranted the harsher response.
GÖª Did you communicate your inability to field a team to CCP prior to the match?
GÖª Did you apologize to CCP about your lack of communication, or did you simply brag that your callous disregard for playing in the tourney with the blog post "they will always remember the CODEdot team. They have achieved immortality."
Seriously, you (CODE.) have openly stated you haven't put any effort into the tournament, that you are ill prepared, and that CODE. is at the heart of drama everywhere they play. Our AT Organizers have spent many unpaid hours organizing the tourney, accommodating the thousands of players involved, and setting up a highly publicized event for the players of this game. When your alliance has made it abundantly clear that the only reason they are participating in the AT is to cause drama and stir up ****, do you really think it is inappropriate for CCP to simply say "Be gone from the tournament"?
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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
15
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Posted - 2014.08.22 19:14:00 -
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roigon wrote:Regardless of who or what CODE is, CCP has been pretty clear that the AT is special and TQ antics will not be appreciated if it interferes with providing entertaining matches.
The given sanction was listed in the AT rules as the harshest penalty CCP was prepared to dish out. Simply logging off just before your match is probably the biggest middle finger you can give to the AT and it's organisers. Colour me unsurprised that CCP chose to dish out the harshest penalty.
It still seems a little disproportionate to me. If actual cheating (i.e. match fixing) was not met with a permanent ban in previous years, why such a harsh penalty for simply not showing up? Something plenty of teams have done before in the past with no penalty other than forfeiting that match. Also a permaban penalizes a whole alliance forever for something that is the fault of one (the team captain) or a few individuals.
By all means kick them out of the tournament (although forfeiture of the the match plus the public derision for bowing out seems punishment enough to me), but it appears to me that CODE. is being singled out with a permaban for reasons other than just not taking the field. It is of course CCP's right to do so, but what it isn't is fair or consistent enforcement of the rules. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
5800
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Posted - 2014.08.22 19:22:00 -
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Black Pedro wrote:roigon wrote:Regardless of who or what CODE is, CCP has been pretty clear that the AT is special and TQ antics will not be appreciated if it interferes with providing entertaining matches.
The given sanction was listed in the AT rules as the harshest penalty CCP was prepared to dish out. Simply logging off just before your match is probably the biggest middle finger you can give to the AT and it's organisers. Colour me unsurprised that CCP chose to dish out the harshest penalty. It still seems a little disproportionate to me. If actual cheating (i.e. match fixing) was not met with a permanent ban in previous years, why such a harsh penalty for simply not showing up? Something plenty of teams have done before in the past with no penalty other than forfeiting that match. Also a permaban penalizes a whole alliance forever for something that is the fault of one (the team captain) or a few individuals. By all means kick them out of the tournament (although forfeiture of the the match plus the public derision for bowing out seems punishment enough to me), but it appears to me that CODE. is being singled out with a permaban for reasons other than just not taking the field. It is of course CCP's right to do so, but what it isn't is fair or consistent enforcement of the rules.
Sure it is.
Players that specifically go out of their way to disrupt the entire tournament receive a harsher penalty than those caught cheating for personal gain.
It doesn't get much more clear cut than that, as one is much, much more disruptive to the tournament than the other.
And... to put it bluntly... I don't really much care if the crap on my shoe gets upset when I scrape it off.
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roigon
Calamitous-Intent
Feign Disorder
98
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Posted - 2014.08.22 19:22:00 -
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The hydra outbreak match you reference failed to be entertaining. If it had been entertaining nothing would probably have happened. But for a finals match is was simply too blatant too ignore.
Also do mind that a big part of the reason we now have double elimination instead of the points system is because the points system played match fixing and deals into hand. (among various other things obviously)
Slightly tounge-in-cheek. CODE failed to entertain. |
Legetus Shmoof Metallii
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Mordus Angels
17
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Posted - 2014.08.22 19:34:00 -
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The fact they do this and flaunt it to the playerbase as if they are something incredible is kinda insulting. I've gone up against the incredible hoard of the CFC a dozen times, losing some and winning some (Good fights all around), and the only thing I have to say is 'gf' in local. Sometimes us in MOA get utterly obliterated and yet STILL we put that 'gf' in local, and the CFC pilots do the same. Here, outside of the sandbox, in the AT, they mock the players, they mock CCP, they boast and brag and post in such an arrogant manner, that it's just insulting in a way (inb4 I take the game 2 srs). I wanted to see them destroyed, but after all that's happened and even beyond the laugh I've gotten out of it, I still get the feeling of "Seriously? They did that?". Whenever I see loyalanon or that DJ guy talk about it or James harp on and on and on, I get a kick of joy but also I get insulted. The ban they get is deserved. They didn't do it for the goodfights, they did it to cause trouble, whether planned or not. This is what they deserve. While CFC drops fleets from cyno domis in 5ZXX in search of goodfights, these guys give the middle finger to the entire playerbase and CCP. Good job guys, good job. While you're busy saving highsec, see if you can save your gosh darned reputation |
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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
5338
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Posted - 2014.08.22 19:36:00 -
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Really, serious question here guys. We here at CODEdawt just don't "get it" when it comes to social interaction. Please tell us why we fail at communication when clearly we know how to post in the forums and write blogs.
Oh also, we don't care because tears and things.
But seriously, take us seriously.
Guys?
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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
15
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Posted - 2014.08.22 19:40:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:
Sure it is.
Players that specifically go out of their way to disrupt the entire tournament receive a harsher penalty than those caught cheating for personal gain.
It doesn't get much more clear cut than that, as one is much, much more disruptive to the tournament than the other.
And... to put it bluntly... I don't really much care if the crap on my shoe gets upset when I scrape it off.
Really, watching matches where the outcome has been predetermined by the participants is entertaining?
And I still don't see how failing to show up for a match (something that has been common in previous years) disrupts the tournament to any serious extent - if a team doesn't show by the deadline just declare them as forfeiting and move on.
And your last sentence is to my point. If you don't like CODE. and don't want them to participate just be intellectually honest with yourself and admit that, rather than framing their actions as some sort of exceptional slight to the tournament that merits an unprecedented punishment. They have done nothing that hasn't been done dozens of times before and is objectively less serious than the transgressions of other major alliances in previous years. |
Mira Robinson
109
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Posted - 2014.08.22 19:54:00 -
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So an alliance that is primarily known for their attention-whoring and generation of tears now generates their own tears over their consequences.
In short, CODE. has become self-sustaining. The end is neigh.
But seriously, this is equivalent to a child getting caught breaking a rule, getting punishment, and throwing a tantrum screaming "But Jimmy was doing it too!"
Is the punishment just? Fair? That's open to debate, but if you're whining about how just or fair it was in a game like Eve, then please, reconsider your choice of game.
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Revis Owen
26
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Posted - 2014.08.22 20:26:00 -
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Rayo Atra wrote:infraction X = annoying CCP id guess.
Possible, but not proportional. If you're saying CCP doesn't have to be proportional in it's reaction to infractions, I disagree.
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Mira Robinson
111
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Posted - 2014.08.22 20:29:00 -
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Revis Owen wrote:Rayo Atra wrote:infraction X = annoying CCP id guess. Possible, but not proportional. If you're saying CCP doesn't have to be proportional in it's reaction to infractions, I disagree.
You can disagree all you like. Their game.
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Revis Owen
26
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Posted - 2014.08.22 20:42:00 -
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TharOkha wrote:CODE. shoot newbies and calls it "fair contest" CCP perma-bans CODE from AT and calls it fair verdict. This is EVE dude, harsh, cold universe, full of injustice, treason and without any honor 
So, your theory is CCP's philosophy agrees with CODE.'s: it's a cold, harsh universe--HTFU or go to Hello Kitty. I would be totally down with that, but some CCP actions directly contradict that theory. Try again.
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Revis Owen
26
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Posted - 2014.08.22 20:51:00 -
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Destination SkillQueue wrote:Cheating . . . warrants a slap . . . a team which chooses to just bail without a justified reason or notification . . . is pretty much the worst case scenario
Totally disagree. Cheating is a worse offense than bailing.
But aside from that mere difference of opinion, let's look at historical facts. CODE. has been the only ones to "bail without a justified reason or notification"? No, they haven't. What sanction did others get? AT permaban? No, they didn't. Address that.
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Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
1063
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Posted - 2014.08.22 20:58:00 -
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loyalanon wrote:
So Serious question and I would appreciate a response CCP Gargant.
If Goonswarm, or any other (i was about to say null sec) Alliance did not show up for Alliance Tournament for "whatever" reason (considering you 100% do not know CodeDots reason) would they too be eligible for a permanent ban from future alliance tournaments? And what is the reasoning behind Codes ban compared too other teams in the past who have forfeited in previous alliance tournaments.
inb4 random npc alts posting tears/comebacks "but your code"
Serious question for "CCP" Gargant.
and inb4 no response from CCP because xxx reason and (I deal with xxx petitions daily F### you code)
Don't you know? Asking a question like this constitutes an 'attack' on a CCP DEV and/or ISD Volunteer?
And attacking a CCP employee = permaban.
I suppose that is what happens when you allow certain Vladimir Putin-supporters to moderate a forum....
The real answer to your question? The permaban was handed down because it was CODE. - not because there was any actual precedent in past tournaments. Ero1 witchhunt anyone?
Just read Gargant's post carefully. He was clearly quite upset and emotional. Dispensing punishment while in an emotional state leads to uneven and hysterical application of rules.
It wasn't about what CODE. did, it was about how you made CCP Gargant feel - and that is all that really matters.
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lt anglehe
Perkone
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.08.22 21:04:00 -
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Anal Canal wrote:The alliance gets the initial entry fee/deposit back I would assume since we are no longer allowed to participate within said tournament. Most lottos/drawings/bingo/what-have-yous that end with the results being null & void return the initial ante to the players involved.
I would suggest the best thing CODE. can do right now is not **** off CCP any further unless you like the idea of Doomheim, IE shut the hell up and keep your heads down. |
lt anglehe
Perkone
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.08.22 21:06:00 -
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Revis Owen wrote:TharOkha wrote:CODE. shoot newbies and calls it "fair contest" CCP perma-bans CODE from AT and calls it fair verdict. This is EVE dude, harsh, cold universe, full of injustice, treason and without any honor So, your theory is CCP's philosophy agrees with CODE.'s: it's a cold, harsh universe--HTFU or go to Hello Kitty. I would be totally down with that, but some CCP actions directly contradict that theory. Try again.
Indeed it is, that's why CCP never takes direct action against CODE. griefing in high sec. Your tears however are delicious, please continue defending your buttmunch buddies.
Personally I would expand it to perma bans for the team captain and alliance leader, send the message, In Mother Iceland CCP fucks you
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Mira Robinson
112
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Posted - 2014.08.22 21:08:00 -
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lt anglehe wrote:Anal Canal wrote:The alliance gets the initial entry fee/deposit back I would assume since we are no longer allowed to participate within said tournament. Most lottos/drawings/bingo/what-have-yous that end with the results being null & void return the initial ante to the players involved. I would suggest the best thing CODE. can do right now is not **** off CCP any further unless you like the idea of Doomheim, IE shut the hell up and keep your heads down.
I don't think they are capable of that. They like the attention too much.
And unless they come forward with the actual reason they did not fight, CCP should treat it as an intentional trolling of the Alliance Tournament, and so their permaban from it is completely justified.
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John E Normus
New Order Logistics
CODE.
178
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Posted - 2014.08.22 22:10:00 -
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I agree with CCP on this one.
Those CODE. guys just fly around and kill everything they want and no one even tries to stop them in-game. I mean killing empty freighters and skiffs just doesn't seem sporting at all ffs. WHY DIDN'T WE SEE THEIR AT STRATEGY COMING!?! QQ At every point in their exsistence they've chosen the troll path. WHY ARE THEY ALLOWED TO LOGIN AND HAVE FUN!?!
They even roleplay in local... *gags* It's about time something was done!!!!
+1 CCP
For 4 weekends a year we will all know where CODE. won't be!
#codegotrekt
#runaway
#whackingemptyfreightersisbullying
#thisiswhatwinningagainstcodefeelslike
#finally
#lol
#incursionrunnersarenext
#tanksareforlosers
#hulkminerandproud
#eveoforumsuperstar
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Christopher AET
hirr
Northern Coalition.
784
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Posted - 2014.08.22 22:56:00 -
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Absolutely appropriate the response from CCP. Puts a real conclusion to it without being draconian.
I drain ducks of their moisture for sustenance. |
Revis Owen
26
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Posted - 2014.08.22 23:41:00 -
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lt anglehe wrote:Personally I would expand it to perma bans for the team captain and alliance leader, send the message, In Mother Iceland CCP fucks you
I don't imagine that happening. However, your rage is yummy . . . keep it up! :)
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Weapons Hot
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2014.08.22 23:59:00 -
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Anyone who realizes that EVE is a game played with thousands of other people who matter just as much as themselves would have responded to the lifetime Alliance Tournament ban with some humility and the acknowledgement that they did not handle the situation well.
Instead, we have more immature antics and blame assignment all in an effort to deflect criticism while impugning the character of the very same people that have already afforded them countless hours of entertainment in their sandbox. They demand to be treated equal, yet they have done absolutely nothing, *anywhere*, to indicate that they believe anyone else is their equal. Not even lip service.
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JTClone Ares
Grand Army of the Republic
6
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Posted - 2014.08.23 00:15:00 -
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Eve online is a very harsh place code. You guys decided to join the AT. Then someone had paid you guys to not even show up. This is your response from CCP. Suck it up. some of us at the AG community have sucked it up on our ends. Now lets see if you can handle your own stupidity.
What CCP did was right and what code did was wrong. The AT is for entertainment reasons that does help promote the game. Many of use so called carebears did in fact want to see you code at the AT and lose ships. Would have been nice if you guys had shown up in your many other ships you guys have trained for. Been cool if you guys showed up in brutix or frigates. You guys decided to not show any entertainment making CCP look bad in the process. Its called communication.
Yes you do deserve what you got and be happy they didn't ban you all from eve for life. Now that would be harsh. Code be glad that did not happen. Just be glad because of your ignorance you only got banned from ever doing the AT again. Not only did you not follow the rules because you wanted to fly a black ops freighter (loyal) and had demanded things to do in the At against RvB.
Read the rules, Listen to CCP, and remember this is a game. Meant for entertainment, fun, and meeting other players around the world an competing against them.
Code you are allowed to say your own opinions. But you are to take your own responsibilities instead of blaming everything against RvB and CCP.
Stop being butthurt and crying about the punishment you got from CCP. Its called grow up and move forward.
Next time don't take a bribe when your own pride, face, respect, and honor is on the side. Ever again. |
Tear Jar
Emolgranlan Code Enforcement Branch
113
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Posted - 2014.08.23 00:30:00 -
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8 EyedSpy wrote:Coffee Rocks wrote:b) they are victims of CCP "violating their rights unfairly". CCP has the right to do whatever they want but when one group is harshly punished for something and others are not it strikes me as pretty unfair.
Yeah, I think there is something else going on that CCP isn't telling us. The only reason I can think of is that CCP just doesn't like CODE and looks for excuses to punish us. I hope that isn't the case and there is some other reason for a permaban. |
Tear Jar
Emolgranlan Code Enforcement Branch
113
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Posted - 2014.08.23 00:33:00 -
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TharOkha wrote:Revis Owen wrote:
What was CODE.'s "Infraction X"? Because if we're just talking about "no-show without warning", I'm not seeing correct proportionality in CCP's sanction of that relative to how they sanctioned pure cheating.
CODE. shoot newbies and calls it "fair contest" CCP perma-bans CODE from AT and calls it fair verdict. This is EVE dude, harsh, cold universe, full of injustice, treason and without any honor
CCP should probably follow different rules than players . |
Tear Jar
Emolgranlan Code Enforcement Branch
113
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Posted - 2014.08.23 00:36:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Black Pedro wrote:roigon wrote:Regardless of who or what CODE is, CCP has been pretty clear that the AT is special and TQ antics will not be appreciated if it interferes with providing entertaining matches.
The given sanction was listed in the AT rules as the harshest penalty CCP was prepared to dish out. Simply logging off just before your match is probably the biggest middle finger you can give to the AT and it's organisers. Colour me unsurprised that CCP chose to dish out the harshest penalty. It still seems a little disproportionate to me. If actual cheating (i.e. match fixing) was not met with a permanent ban in previous years, why such a harsh penalty for simply not showing up? Something plenty of teams have done before in the past with no penalty other than forfeiting that match. Also a permaban penalizes a whole alliance forever for something that is the fault of one (the team captain) or a few individuals. By all means kick them out of the tournament (although forfeiture of the the match plus the public derision for bowing out seems punishment enough to me), but it appears to me that CODE. is being singled out with a permaban for reasons other than just not taking the field. It is of course CCP's right to do so, but what it isn't is fair or consistent enforcement of the rules. Sure it is. Players that specifically go out of their way to disrupt the entire tournament receive a harsher penalty than those caught cheating for personal gain. It doesn't get much more clear cut than that, as one is much, much more disruptive to the tournament than the other. And... to put it bluntly... I don't really much care if the crap on my shoe gets upset when I scrape it off.
How do you know that Code did it specifically to disrupt the tournament? THat is nowhere in the stated reason given by CCP.
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John E Normus
New Order Logistics
CODE.
183
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Posted - 2014.08.23 02:32:00 -
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On behalf of CODE. (the premiere 1337peeveepee alliance in eve) I would like to offer a real and honest explanation of what CODE. is.
I'm not going to type a bunch of words here, I'm going to link something. I would appreciate if you guise would listen to the words and maybe, just maybe you'll come to understand how much we love eve online (a spaceship game) and how we look forward to a brighter future for all eve players.
The New Order of Highsec is Love
Thank you, see you in space.
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