Anyone know why they didn't turn up?

Can the ban be extended to include the all the individual pilots in the CODE. team?

Looking forward to reading what insane spin the minerbumping blog will come up with to brush this off.

Can the ban be extended to include the all the individual pilots in the CODE. team?

Somehow I have a feeling this won't bother CODE. too much.

Greetings everyone!

Keeping everything crystal clear, I wanted to open a topic on this subject.

CODE. did not show up for their scheduled match against Red vs. Blue nor did they make any attempt to inform the tournament organizers of their status. We have decided to interpret their actions as a sign of resignation from the tournament. As such they have been disqualified from Alliance Tournament XII and CODE. will not be able to enter future Alliance Tournaments.

Circle-Of-Two will thus get a bye in their scheduled match against CODE. on Sunday the 24th and all subsequent matches that day will happen 20 minutes earlier than initially scheduled.

Please keep discussions about this topic in this thread.

Thanks!

Greetings everyone!

Keeping everything crystal clear, I wanted to open a topic on this subject.

CODE. did not show up for their scheduled match against Red vs. Blue nor did they make any attempt to inform the tournament organizers of their status. We have decided to interpret their actions as a sign of resignation from the tournament. As such they have been disqualified from Alliance Tournament XII and CODE. will not be able to enter future Alliance Tournaments.

Circle-Of-Two will thus get a bye in their scheduled match against CODE. on Sunday the 24th and all subsequent matches that day will happen 20 minutes earlier than initially scheduled.

Please keep discussions about this topic in this thread.

Thanks!

A banning from all future tournaments is pretty harsh.

Let give them another opportunity.....

To the Bonus Round!!!

We'll start it off with them singing Baby One more Time... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-u5WLJ9Yk4

Perma-ban is pretty harsh. Wouldn't 1-2 years be more fitting? Or possibly ban the players rather than the alliance? I'll respect your decision but I think it will be unfair on future players that may want to compete.

CCP Tears - Best Tears

Do you want to buy a mining permit to ensure your safety in high sec?

Can we replace CODE with BRAVE and let us fight CO2 instead?

Circle-Of-Two will thus get a bye in their scheduled match against CODE. on Sunday the 24th and all subsequent matches that day will happen 20 minutes earlier than initially scheduled.

Can we replace CODE with BRAVE and let us fight CO2 instead?

will not be able to enter future Alliance Tournaments.

LOL

First, they have made a rookie killing contest from which everybody laughs at

now they chicken-run from AT.....

Way to go CODE. ...

Such laughtable reputation is bad even in harsh EVE

So CODE. is getting not only banned, but permabanned from the tournament for forfeiting a single match, something that literally dozens of teams have done before with no penalty?

http://www.minerbumping.com/2014/08/codedot-tournament-team-makes-history.html

Seems disproportionate, no?

The butthurt, it's glorious.

Best part of this is the inability of CODE. to understand what the difference is between "tell CCP 30 mins before start that we forfeit" and "log off at match start without a word".

Somehow I have a feeling this won't bother CODE. too much.

Cheating: DQ, show up next year

No-show: Permaban

Proof that even CCP fears our power.

So does this mean you're changing your name to "CCP Upset"?

CCP Tears - Best Tears

Do you want to buy a mining permit to ensure your safety in high sec?

The butthurt, it's glorious.

The AT is a serious E-Sport Event. It is not a Kindergarden play for some Wannabees and their delusions. Even without being paid something this is reason enough to throw them out of this AT. Considering what they tried to pull in the forums and on their blog, expanding it to a permabann is logical. Since there is Sponsorship. there is serious Buisiness.

The AT is a serious E-Sport Event. It is not a Kindergarden play for some Wannabees and their delusions. Even without being paid something this is reason enough to throw them out of this AT. Considering what they tried to pull in the forums and on their blog, expanding it to a permabann is logical. Since there is Sponsorship. there is serious Buisiness.

But it seems that most of the tears here are of the regular run-of-the-mill anti-New Order variety, flowing as the result of a rather unremarkable forfeit among many in the history of the Alliance Tournament.

TLDR:

ran off the same way a lowly AFK miner would.

But it seems that most of the tears here are of the regular run-of-the-mill anti-New Order variety

(you remember, if someone can shoot back like in the AT you run and hide proof )

How can you ran off if you are not there?

Ooh, hi Nicolai o/ o/ o/ o/

We could totally take this to the subreddit and light a drama cyno!!

You know how much fun I have with this type of topic

b) they are victims of CCP "violating their rights unfairly".

You're dumb..

No-show: Permaban

Proof that even CCP fears our power.

This is why I don't like the way you handle PR, loyal. Appearances are everything! As Knights of the New Order we must be paragons of virtue to show the way to the lost masses of EVE!

Openly trolling CCP is just rude!

You should join the tear train to.

Failtrolling.

The only tears are code tears.

All others are at least entertained, amused or openly laughing seeing you guys struggle to appear cool.

But you can not look cool with a clowns hat on, standing in deep *****, still trying to troll others.

Maybe you should read the rest of the article.

"As a matter of fact, many teams have forfeited by failing to show up for the Alliance Tournament. Like, a lot. It has been happening literally since day one. After the first day of the very first Alliance Tournament, all the way back in 2005, CCP announced:"

Still posting on an alt. lol.

Can you provide proof of code tears?

I did, I even read all the links. None of them state that the teams forfeited in anything else than verbal means before their matches instead of ragelogging when someone took your toys away.

Next?

CCP Tears - Best Tears

Do you want to buy a mining permit to ensure your safety in high sec?

The alliance gets the initial entry fee/deposit back I would assume since we are no longer allowed to participate within said tournament. Most lottos/drawings/bingo/what-have-yous that end with the results being null & void return the initial ante to the players involved.

I'm here, and very much posting on my main

BTW, CODE is getting so much love on Reddit right now. I just thought you should know.

Seriously, what an embarrassing waste of everyone's time - except for the part where your team's temper tantrum has just led to some wonderful laughs.

I like to congratulate our team for their excellent performance in the tournament. The amount of tears generated for doing absolutely nothing is probably another broken record. Certainly the tears/effort metric is off the scale here and since this is the only metric that matters in the endgame I can say with confidence that we walk away as the winners form this.

Still waiting on the part where code has cared about being permabanned because of CCP tears?

I dont thnk CODE cares, I also dont think CCP cares, they still make money, infact you are probably helping them make money with news of the game and all its shiney possibilities being spread to potential new players.
You just got banned because they can and more controversy = more people talking about it, cant be a bad thing.
Actually the fact you keep going on about CCP tears makes me think this is really important to you, and the more you go on about how everyone crys over the things you do the more it sounds like it matters to you - witch is funny as its usually the CODE people making fun of other for taking things too seriously.

Still I tend to support the CODE just for the LOLs, especialy after reading some of the comments on minnerbumping from people who really dont like the CODE.

Greetings everyone!

Keeping everything crystal clear, I wanted to open a topic on this subject.

CODE. did not show up for their scheduled match against Red vs. Blue nor did they make any attempt to inform the tournament organizers of their status. We have decided to interpret their actions as a sign of resignation from the tournament. As such they have been disqualified from Alliance Tournament XII and CODE. will not be able to enter future Alliance Tournaments.

Circle-Of-Two will thus get a bye in their scheduled match against CODE. on Sunday the 24th and all subsequent matches that day will happen 20 minutes earlier than initially scheduled.

Please keep discussions about this topic in this thread.

Thanks!

Cheating: DQ, show up next year

No-show: Permaban

Proof that even CCP fears our power.

What was CODE.'s "Infraction X"? Because if we're just talking about "no-show without warning", I'm not seeing correct proportionality in CCP's sanction of that relative to how they sanctioned pure cheating.

Greetings everyone!

Keeping everything crystal clear, I wanted to open a topic on this subject.

CODE. did not show up for their scheduled match against Red vs. Blue nor did they make any attempt to inform the tournament organizers of their status. We have decided to interpret their actions as a sign of resignation from the tournament. As such they have been disqualified from Alliance Tournament XII and CODE. will not be able to enter future Alliance Tournaments.

Circle-Of-Two will thus get a bye in their scheduled match against CODE. on Sunday the 24th and all subsequent matches that day will happen 20 minutes earlier than initially scheduled.

Please keep discussions about this topic in this thread.

Thanks!

Cheating in AT = Disqualification from that AT, but no perma-ban.
"Infraction X" in AT = Permaban from AT.

Could someone please fill in "Infraction X" above, which CODE. alliance committed. Obviously, "Infraction X" must be far, far worse than cheating. No-showing, even no-showing without warning, isn't worse than cheating.

If 1) no-showing without warning = AT permaban, then surely:
2) cheating = AT permaban at least, if not EVE permaban.

What was CODE.'s "Infraction X"? Because if we're just talking about "no-show without warning", I'm not seeing correct proportionality in CCP's sanction of that relative to how they sanctioned pure cheating.

So Serious question and I would appreciate a response CCP Gargant.

If Goonswarm, or any other (i was about to say null sec) Alliance did not show up for Alliance Tournament for "whatever" reason (considering you 100% do not know CodeDots reason) would they too be eligible for a permanent ban from future alliance tournaments? And what is the reasoning behind Codes ban compared too other teams in the past who have forfeited in previous alliance tournaments.

inb4 random npc alts posting tears/comebacks "but your code"

Serious question for "CCP" Gargant.

and inb4 no response from CCP because xxx reason and (I deal with xxx petitions daily F### you code)

Should have buffed the tank on ORE Ships as a bigger F You.

Cheating in AT = Disqualification from that AT, but no perma-ban.
"Infraction X" in AT = Permaban from AT.

Could someone please fill in "Infraction X" above, which CODE. alliance committed. Obviously, "Infraction X" must be far, far worse than cheating. No-showing, even no-showing without warning, isn't worse than cheating.

If 1) no-showing without warning = AT permaban, then surely:
2) cheating = AT permaban at least, if not EVE permaban.

What was CODE.'s "Infraction X"? Because if we're just talking about "no-show without warning", I'm not seeing correct proportionality in CCP's sanction of that relative to how they sanctioned pure cheating.

Well, if one player breaks a rule, they get penalized depending on the infraction and can at most lead to banning from all future ATs. No idea what a single player would have to do to earn this.

In CODE.'s case, 12 players (including the captain) failed to show up and the captain failed to stay in the Captain's channel at all times. That's 13 infractions and CCP decided that it's good enough to ban CODE. from all future ATs.

...13 infractions.

Just an educated guess.

So Serious question and I would appreciate a response CCP Gargant.

If Goonswarm, or any other (i was about to say null sec) Alliance did not show up for Alliance Tournament for "whatever" reason (considering you 100% do not know CodeDots reason) would they too be eligible for a permanent ban from future alliance tournaments? And what is the reasoning behind Codes ban compared too other teams in the past who have forfeited in previous alliance tournaments.

inb4 random npc alts posting tears/comebacks "but your code"

Serious question for "CCP" Gargant.

and inb4 no response from CCP because xxx reason and (I deal with xxx petitions daily F### you code)

Regardless of who or what CODE is, CCP has been pretty clear that the AT is special and TQ antics will not be appreciated if it interferes with providing entertaining matches.

The given sanction was listed in the AT rules as the harshest penalty CCP was prepared to dish out. Simply logging off just before your match is probably the biggest middle finger you can give to the AT and it's organisers. Colour me unsurprised that CCP chose to dish out the harshest penalty.

It still seems a little disproportionate to me. If actual cheating (i.e. match fixing) was not met with a permanent ban in previous years, why such a harsh penalty for simply not showing up? Something plenty of teams have done before in the past with no penalty other than forfeiting that match. Also a permaban penalizes a whole alliance forever for something that is the fault of one (the team captain) or a few individuals.

By all means kick them out of the tournament (although forfeiture of the the match plus the public derision for bowing out seems punishment enough to me), but it appears to me that CODE. is being singled out with a permaban for reasons other than just not taking the field. It is of course CCP's right to do so, but what it isn't is fair or consistent enforcement of the rules.

Sure it is.
Players that specifically go out of their way to disrupt the entire tournament receive a harsher penalty than those caught cheating for personal gain.

It doesn't get much more clear cut than that, as one is much, much more disruptive to the tournament than the other.

And... to put it bluntly... I don't really much care if the crap on my shoe gets upset when I scrape it off.

infraction X = annoying CCP id guess.

Possible, but not proportional. If you're saying CCP doesn't have to be proportional in it's reaction to infractions, I disagree.

CODE. shoot newbies and calls it "fair contest"

CCP perma-bans CODE from AT and calls it fair verdict.

This is EVE dude, harsh, cold universe, full of injustice, treason and without any honor

Cheating . . . warrants a slap . . . a team which chooses to just bail without a justified reason or notification . . . is pretty much the worst case scenario

So Serious question and I would appreciate a response CCP Gargant.

If Goonswarm, or any other (i was about to say null sec) Alliance did not show up for Alliance Tournament for "whatever" reason (considering you 100% do not know CodeDots reason) would they too be eligible for a permanent ban from future alliance tournaments? And what is the reasoning behind Codes ban compared too other teams in the past who have forfeited in previous alliance tournaments.

inb4 random npc alts posting tears/comebacks "but your code"

Serious question for "CCP" Gargant.

and inb4 no response from CCP because xxx reason and (I deal with xxx petitions daily F### you code)

The alliance gets the initial entry fee/deposit back I would assume since we are no longer allowed to participate within said tournament. Most lottos/drawings/bingo/what-have-yous that end with the results being null & void return the initial ante to the players involved.

So, your theory is CCP's philosophy agrees with CODE.'s: it's a cold, harsh universe--HTFU or go to Hello Kitty. I would be totally down with that, but some CCP actions directly contradict that theory. Try again.

I would suggest the best thing CODE. can do right now is not **** off CCP any further unless you like the idea of Doomheim, IE shut the hell up and keep your heads down.

Personally I would expand it to perma bans for the team captain and alliance leader, send the message, In Mother Iceland CCP fucks you

CCP has the right to do whatever they want but when one group is harshly punished for something and others are not it strikes me as pretty unfair.

CODE. shoot newbies and calls it "fair contest"

CCP perma-bans CODE from AT and calls it fair verdict.

This is EVE dude, harsh, cold universe, full of injustice, treason and without any honor

Sure it is.
Players that specifically go out of their way to disrupt the entire tournament receive a harsher penalty than those caught cheating for personal gain.

It doesn't get much more clear cut than that, as one is much, much more disruptive to the tournament than the other.

And... to put it bluntly... I don't really much care if the crap on my shoe gets upset when I scrape it off.

Really, watching matches where the outcome has been predetermined by the participants is entertaining?

And I still don't see how failing to show up for a match (something that has been common in previous years) disrupts the tournament to any serious extent - if a team doesn't show by the deadline just declare them as forfeiting and move on.

And your last sentence is to my point. If you don't like CODE. and don't want them to participate just be intellectually honest with yourself and admit that, rather than framing their actions as some sort of exceptional slight to the tournament that merits an unprecedented punishment. They have done nothing that hasn't been done dozens of times before and is objectively less serious than the transgressions of other major alliances in previous years.

Possible, but not proportional. If you're saying CCP doesn't have to be proportional in it's reaction to infractions, I disagree.

Just because you have attention does not mean you have respect.

No, watching a predetermined match is not entertaining. That is why tournament rules have become more strict and will result in a Ban now. However trying to profit from fixing a match is a bit less encompassing than trying to disrupt the entire tournament schedule.

In the past when a team could not field a full team or otherwise participate in their assigned match, they at least communicated it in advance of the match. Code failed to make this good will gesture and brag that it was intentional.

And lastly, my misguided friend, I heartily approve of Code and their particular play style as an integral part of the EVE environment. They play their part and play it well.
However when they stoop to disrupting an event specifically removed from the EVE universe proper as a form of pure competition for the enjoyment of the entire player base it shows complete contempt for the game, the development team, and the player base as a whole (including you and I).

It puts things on a whole different level, and is somewhat akin to kicking your chess opponent in the groin (obvious chess boxing jokes aside for the moment). Its at that moment leaving behind simply having an obnoxious play style that is perfectly valid, and crossing the line into actively trying (and ultimately failing) to be destructive to the game and player base itself.

I am quite comfortable standing by my earlier analogy.

No, watching a predetermined match is not entertaining. That is why tournament rules have become more strict and will result in a Ban now. However trying to profit from fixing a match is a bit less encompassing than trying to disrupt the entire tournament schedule.

In the past when a team could not field a full team or otherwise participate in their assigned match, they at least communicated it in advance of the match. Code failed to make this good will gesture and brag that it was intentional.

And lastly, my misguided friend, I heartily approve of Code and their particular play style as an integral part of the EVE environment. They play their part and play it well.
However when they stoop to disrupting an event specifically removed from the EVE universe proper as a form of pure competition for the enjoyment of the entire player base it shows complete contempt for the game, the development team, and the player base as a whole (including you and I).

It puts things on a whole different level, and is somewhat akin to kicking your chess opponent in the groin (obvious chess boxing jokes aside for the moment). Its at that moment leaving behind simply having an obnoxious play style that is perfectly valid, and crossing the line into actively trying (and ultimately failing) to be destructive to the game and player base itself.

I am quite comfortable standing by my earlier analogy.

careful, questioning a ruling constitutes an attack on CCP which we certainly don't want

If we are going with chess analogies, I would put forth that you don't always have to forfeit a match by kicking your opponent, or the officials, in the nuts. You can forfeit by informing the organizers that you are not willing to play, or alternatively ,by not making it to the chess match on time because you slept in, got lost on the way to the venue, or you decided your time is better spent in your hotel room with a hooker. Each of these show varying levels of disrespect for the tournament organizers, but usually (aside from the nut-kicking) would typically just result in you forfeiting that match in a tournament, not a permaban.

I guess our different view points arise from what I said before - parts of the community view the failure to show as blatant disrespect akin to kicking CCP in the nuts because of CODE.'s general attitude and that they don't take the game as seriously as them (AKA a form of butthurt). But really, they did nothing that many other teams have done in previous years - failing to show just makes them look bad to some and doesn't really disrupt the tournament despite what some claim here. And in fact their transgression was much less than others who were left unpunished with a permanent ban. The heavy-handed permaban and the general hysterical response from the community (not from you friend, your response has been measured and at least rational from your point of view) just reinforces that CODE.'s antics have gotten to many, and this is a win for the Code.

I don't imagine that happening. However, your rage is yummy . . . keep it up! :)

Yeah, I think there is something else going on that CCP isn't telling us. The only reason I can think of is that CCP just doesn't like CODE and looks for excuses to punish us. I hope that isn't the case and there is some other reason for a permaban.

All I have to say is that if the use of "tears" and "rage" have been redefined to what people are declaring in this thread, then the definition of "tears" and "rage" have been greatly expanded beyond any meaning.

Code knows they are a joke....and they are trying really hard to defend themselves!

If they did not care, why are they spending so much time pouring over this thread and reposting quotes and so vehemently defending a reputation they supposedly do not care about?

Go ahead CODE. and quote this on a reply and tell us again how you do not care, your pretentious tears amuse us all.

We don't care :)

Cheating in AT = Disqualification from that AT, but no perma-ban.
"Infraction X" in AT = Permaban from AT.

Could someone please fill in "Infraction X" above, which CODE. alliance committed. Obviously, "Infraction X" must be far, far worse than cheating. No-showing, even no-showing without warning, isn't worse than cheating.

If 1) no-showing without warning = AT permaban, then surely:
2) cheating = AT permaban at least, if not EVE permaban.

What was CODE.'s "Infraction X"? Because if we're just talking about "no-show without warning", I'm not seeing correct proportionality in CCP's sanction of that relative to how they sanctioned pure cheating.

Infraction X is deliberately screwing around with CCP and messing with their tournament. Notice I say "deliberately" - because it is pretty obvious that loyalanon decided to say "screw CCP" and just pull a no-show instead of withdrawing. The failure of you guys to respond in any way to CCP's inquiry was just your way of flipping them off -

so they decided to flip you all off instead with a permaban from the AT.

I'd say that is the opinion over at CCP, and it is their opinion that counts since - contrary to the opinion of James 315 - it is their game and not yours.

Really, watching matches where the outcome has been predetermined by the participants is entertaining?

And I still don't see how failing to show up for a match (something that has been common in previous years) disrupts the tournament to any serious extent - if a team doesn't show by the deadline just declare them as forfeiting and move on.

And your last sentence is to my point. If you don't like CODE. and don't want them to participate just be intellectually honest with yourself and admit that, rather than framing their actions as some sort of exceptional slight to the tournament that merits an unprecedented punishment. They have done nothing that hasn't been done dozens of times before and is objectively less serious than the transgressions of other major alliances in previous years.

What, pay and take away a fight from us? RvB fights... Individual members may have bet on the match, but that was born from our confidence in handling CODE. in the fight.

Loyalanon has assured me, both over chat and on teamspeak, that the only reason Code didn't show up is because RvB was afraid to face them, and paid them 200 billion to no show.

We don't care :)

CCP Tears - Best Tears

Do you want to buy a mining permit to ensure your safety in high sec?

So Serious question and I would appreciate a response CCP Gargant.

I but the attempt for damage control and hilariously claiming that community is in tears over this

But... RVB paid CODE. 200bil to throw the fight. No? It has to be true, some CODE. guy was who earnestly believed it was going on and on about it in local. Big money! I never knew those RVB guys were that organized, cohesive, and corrupted.

Below is an Exert from leaked CODE of CONDUCT Standard Operating Proceedure Manual - Page 6

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[4] High Sec Gate Camp Modus Operandi continued

(c) How to perform a precision kill

C oordination is key; count clearly 'One, two, three, shoot'
O ptimise opportunity; web, scramble, throw kitchen sink
D eliver a coordinated deluge of hurt
E fficiently salvage opponent wreck and yours once Concorded

(d) Failure is not an option, in the event of failure

C lose down local chat, you don't want to know
O pen comms with target advising it was only a 'training run'
D on't accept 'I thought you said shoot on three.' This cost you the kill
E liminate that/those pilot/s from CODE, preferably after shooting them and salvaging their wreck/s

'Live by the CODE, don't die by it'

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But... RVB paid CODE. 200bil to throw the fight. No? It has to be true, some CODE. guy was who earnestly believed it was going on and on about it in local. Big money! I never knew those RVB guys were that organized, cohesive, and corrupted.

LOL ... RVB is an alliance which principles are set in the basis of eternal war... why would they fear a bunch of noob gankers?