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Kremlyn Aldard
The Visceral Realists
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Posted - 2014.08.21 19:12:00 -
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I'm really struggling to log on at the moment.
I've played on and off for almost a year, tried out a few things, lived in high/low/null, joined a few corps, created my own corp so on and so on....
....but i'm beginning to feel Eve's biggest strength - the sandbox principle - is also its biggest weakness. I'm supposed to create my own content - but I keep asking, to what end? I'm not the sort of person who can derive fun by mindlessly killing. It seems rather pointless to kill for isk. Everything I consider - and I've been chewing this over for a few weeks - seems to fly headlong into a cul-de-sac.
I imagine in the early days when there was much space to conquer it was exciting - a little like playing civilisation or similar. But just like the real world, huge power blocs form leading to static cold wars. This was my general impression of living in null. And if you do go and live in null, the sandbox ethos is thrown out of the window - a concentration camp with brutalist commandants seems a better description of nulllife.
But, it is not my intention to slur Eve. It is the most incredible online experience I have ever plugged. Its got under my skin. I only have to see a screenshot - like the one on my desktop - and I'm itching to play. But....I now find myself logging on for half an hour and thinking...hmm, apart from staring at the pretty visuals I really can't think of anything to do...and I log out and do something else.
Exploration used to be my biggest enterprise, but hacking the same sites over and over for a few isk...well, it soon gets you down.
So - forgive the wall of text - how do you vets do it? What keeps you playing? I'm really considering unsubbing at the end of the month; if anyone can inspire me otherwise I'd be grateful. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
6038
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Posted - 2014.08.21 19:15:00 -
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Taking a break from the game for a month or longer works wonders. Everything will (probably) still be here when you get back.
Life > EVE
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Leoric Firesword
Dark Fusion Industries
55
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Posted - 2014.08.21 19:19:00 -
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Goals and the right group of people.
If it weren't for goals I've made for myself I'd have already quit. If it weren't for the great group of people I fly with, I'd have never reached some of those goals and would have quit.
I create my own content without ever knowing that I've created it until after it's done and over with. |
Drago Shouna
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
77
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Posted - 2014.08.21 19:19:00 -
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Play a different game running alongside this, I do. That way instead of just thinking about EvE you spread your mind over different things.
This game sucks you in and is hard to shake loose, I appreciate that.
Get a few fb games or something to take your mind in a different direction, it works. |
Kremlyn Aldard
The Visceral Realists
4
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Posted - 2014.08.21 19:34:00 -
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Yup - I need a goal. Not sure what though.
There was much talk about colonisation in a previous patch. I wouldn't mind building a home somewhere, an asteroid colony or something. Something that takes time to build...and then, of course, to defend. That would keep me hooked. I don't really understand why we have to live in static stations.
But, anyway, enough dreaming. Thanks for your suggestions : ) |
DaReaper
Net 7
The Last Brigade
840
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Posted - 2014.08.21 20:39:00 -
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Eve is a lot like real life, which is one of its issues. Eve is not much a game, its more like a second life. Casual and progress in eve don't mesh up well.
Like real life you need to figure out what you enjoy about eve and focus on that.
I'll use me for exsample:
I came to eve in march of 2004 after the announcement that Earth and Beyond was closing. EnB was the only mmo I found that I did not mind the grind. So an old guild mate invided me and my two irl friends, also in his guild, to eve.
I tried it and was bored like crazy after the first week. Missions felt like 'run around kill **** with sticks get xp' types of games and I hated that. My old guild friend went 'well if pve is not your thing, try mining' so I said 'ok if this sucks i'll leave' I tried mining and fell madly in love with it. My focus for most of my first year in eve was mining.
In 04 I made a corp with my buddies that died, then we joined ASCN, I was a huge miner, so that's what my focus was. About 2005, I got into the idea of being a ceo so I made my own corp. This changed my focus and I got my second wind for a few months. Then I got into being an eve radio DJ, that gave me another boost.
in 2006, I was starting to wane a bit, my corp had moved to Derelik and we were part of the then DJTF (Derelik Joint Task Force) it was an anti pirate group trying to clear out PRats in Derelik. This was when I learned bounty hunting.. mm sucks.
Anyway I had a small boost then we talked of making an alliance. So we did. a month after we formed BoS I got married and took a month break from eve (cross country honeymoon)
When I came back alliance was in shamples so I took control and did that for about 2 years.
2008 I was getting tired of eve, after my alliance died, was struggling to want to play, then I heard about Apocarytpo and wormholes and that made me start focusing on working to get the skills to do wormholes.
2009 I was one of the first wormhole corps, and thing were ok. We then made my current alliance, and through a series of randomness, we got an offer from Vanguard. to live in Outter Ring.
2009 (towards the end, might be earily 10) Dominion hit, and one of my directors took space. So I went with it.
I would up running 30 pos' alone, I was stressed and getting annoyed, I was also running an alliance, and my wife was preggers.
End of 2010 I lost my first and only nyx a month after having it, my alliance got scamed for 25b and we got steam rolled. I took a break of a year for the birth of my son.
2011 towards the end, I got a message that an old alliance was reforming, IAC so I get exicited and did that. Then that got mother balled and I came back to net 7.
I've been dicking around since 2012.
My point is, like real life, you need to find what you love in eve and do that. As you do that you will meet new people and get new oppertuities. Which then open new stuff to try. In my 10.5 years here, I have only really had burn out once. I has lull periods where I ide not knowing what to do, but usually i'll see or hear something that will spark me to move.
If you are bored, then you need to take a min and figure out what you like doing, whatever that is, and focus on that.
for me it was:
mining which lead to ceo which lead to alliance leadership which lead to wars for sov which lead to wormholes which lead to rebuilding.
All it takes s oen thing you enjoy, and play the game as a game then you will see that things will come your way and make you go 'huh.. I'd like to try that...' and before you know it you are on year 10 going 'damn I been here a while'
In a room full of dumb blondes, EvE is the smart red head on the other side of the room.-á Lots of men like dumb blondes, and not everyone will like the smart red head, but she doesn;t need to change to be a dumb blonde.-á She is perfect how she is.-á Thats EvE vs other mmo's.-á You either like the red head, or you don't. |
Altirius Saldiaro
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
91
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Posted - 2014.08.21 22:26:00 -
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OP, have you tried wormhole life yet? Thats the most fun I've ever had in EvE, aside from the pre-nerf incursion days when isk/hr made it fun and competitive. W-Space life is fun. |
Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
939
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Posted - 2014.08.21 23:37:00 -
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Just like RL if i get bored i get into trouble.
Unlike RL trouble in EvE is usually pretty good fun.
Find your place on the slider between boredom and terror.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
Muce Rayvn
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.08.22 00:18:00 -
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I have been away from EVE for many years, I found the main thing keeping me playing was my corp, good bunch of people. I'm back and looking for new adventure and hoping to find a new group of people. As other's have said, people and goals. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
20302
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Posted - 2014.08.22 01:29:00 -
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Kremlyn Aldard wrote:Yup - I need a goal. Not sure what though.
There was much talk about colonisation in a previous patch. I wouldn't mind building a home somewhere, an asteroid colony or something. Something that takes time to build...and then, of course, to defend. That would keep me hooked. I don't really understand why we have to live in static stations.
But, anyway, enough dreaming. Thanks for your suggestions : ) Wormholes.
Nil mortifi sine lucre. |
Paynus Maiassus
Capital Munitions
87
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Posted - 2014.08.22 01:41:00 -
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Kremlyn Aldard wrote:I'm really struggling to log on at the moment.
I've played on and off for almost a year, tried out a few things, lived in high/low/null, joined a few corps, created my own corp so on and so on....
....but i'm beginning to feel Eve's biggest strength - the sandbox principle - is also its biggest weakness. I'm supposed to create my own content - but I keep asking, to what end? I'm not the sort of person who can derive fun by mindlessly killing. It seems rather pointless to kill for isk. Everything I consider - and I've been chewing this over for a few weeks - seems to fly headlong into a cul-de-sac.
I imagine in the early days when there was much space to conquer it was exciting - a little like playing civilisation or similar. But just like the real world, huge power blocs form leading to static cold wars. This was my general impression of living in null. And if you do go and live in null, the sandbox ethos is thrown out of the window - a concentration camp with brutalist commandants seems a better description of nulllife.
But, it is not my intention to slur Eve. It is the most incredible online experience I have ever plugged. Its got under my skin. I only have to see a screenshot - like the one on my desktop - and I'm itching to play. But....I now find myself logging on for half an hour and thinking...hmm, apart from staring at the pretty visuals I really can't think of anything to do...and I log out and do something else.
Exploration used to be my biggest enterprise, but hacking the same sites over and over for a few isk...well, it soon gets you down.
So - forgive the wall of text - how do you vets do it? What keeps you playing? I'm really considering unsubbing at the end of the month; if anyone can inspire me otherwise I'd be grateful.
I recommend making an attempt to join Goonswarm. Their sky is always blue. Then, after they **** you over, you'll have someone to hate. Instant raison d'+¬tre. Join N3 or Battlement and slake your bloodlust.
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Ocih
Space Mermaids
Somethin Awfull Forums
712
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Posted - 2014.08.22 04:30:00 -
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You could waste a fair amount of time building a 'back up plan'. Find a backwater system with a level 3 security agent, draw up a list of assets you would always want your character to have access to and begin stocking up. Get the level 3 agent to where you can run missions. A level 3 is light content, you won't need too much to run them. A safe house of sorts. I have a few. They have PvP assets, PvE assets and some industrial. Nest eggs for the day things might fly off the rails all together. |
Pok Nibin
Filial Pariahs
402
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Posted - 2014.08.22 07:57:00 -
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Yeah, we aren't joking when we say it's the game we love to hate...or hate to love...?
Dont fight it; Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs; You know you want to. |
metalravenous
S0utherN Comfort
DARKNESS.
12
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Posted - 2014.08.22 08:00:00 -
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i didnt read anything and im just going to suggest you biomass and save yourself anymore pain |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
12729
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Posted - 2014.08.22 08:42:00 -
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Was going to say that your struggle to log on most likely were due to the attacks preventing us from logging on...
But really, take a two week break and come back with a refreshed sense of wanting to log on. Does wonders.
/c
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Tao Dolcino
Jolly Jumpers Squad
341
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Posted - 2014.08.22 10:13:00 -
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Kremlyn Aldard wrote:Yup - I need a goal. Not sure what though.
There was much talk about colonisation in a previous patch. I wouldn't mind building a home somewhere, an asteroid colony or something. Something that takes time to build...and then, of course, to defend. That would keep me hooked. I don't really understand why we have to live in static stations.
But, anyway, enough dreaming. Thanks for your suggestions : )
Sounds like Wormspace would be a thing for you : you have a station yes, but your neighbours always change. There's no sovereignty system, so no big blob. The most important will be for you to find the right group : active and motivated but also relaxed and nice people to share the adventure.
In the other hand, Maybe something more concrete would make you more happy, life a real life hobby, something creative maybe, something you could share with people too. Have a check at the associative/cultural life where you live. You could be surprised.
Favoritism is good - CCP 2013 |
Solecist Project
Mew Age Outpaws
7352
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Posted - 2014.08.22 11:19:00 -
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Content is reated through interaction with others,
not just by killing people.
Go outside and approach a random person and start talking.
BAM, content created.
The fact that you don't realise this obvious thing tells something about you.
http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - CODE, RvB, the AT, and what DJEntropy said .... :)
The Mew Age Calender is in need of models! Plus payment!
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4908292#post4908292 |
Felicity Love
Imperium Galactic Navy
2110
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Posted - 2014.08.22 12:29:00 -
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"Bunnies and Rainbows" answer: My kids... they are always an inspiration.
"Official EVE related answer" : Every drunken, stoned and/or intoxicated idiot in the game that has ever punched in a purchase amount with way too many zeroes, in my favour.
"EVE is dying." -- The Four Forum Trolls of the Apocalypse.-á-á ( Pick four, any four. They all smell. -á)
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
376
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Posted - 2014.08.22 12:29:00 -
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As above. Engage some of the newbros in dialogue, with or without blasterfire... their choice. Sometimes helping out others who are quite a bit more lost than you can help you find your own direction.
Sometimes you can just start up a chat with them and things go from there. Sometimes you have to rattle their cage a bit before they'll respond to you. Either way you may end up discovering new aspects of the game you haven't tried yet that revitalize it for you.
With a universe that has so many options to possibly pursue, it's easy to get overwhelmed by the directions you can take... and find yourself just spinning in circles. |
Rayo Atra
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
62
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Posted - 2014.08.22 13:49:00 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:As above. Engage some of the newbros in dialogue, with or without blasterfire... their choice. Sometimes helping out others who are quite a bit more lost than you can help you find your own direction.
Sometimes you can just start up a chat with them and things go from there. Sometimes you have to rattle their cage a bit before they'll respond to you. Either way you may end up discovering new aspects of the game you haven't tried yet that revitalize it for you.
With a universe that has so many options to possibly pursue, it's easy to get overwhelmed by the directions you can take... and find yourself just spinning in circles.
This works well for me. Find some eager freshys, and lead them down a hole, or run some DED's, or get some frigs and bother FW people. You'll end-up cracking up, and oozing content.
Tell you what I do like though: A killer. A dyed-in-the-wool killer. Cold-blooded, clean, methodical and thorough.
-Jean-Baptiste Emanuel Zorg
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Shari Evan
New Republic
The Initiative.
15
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Posted - 2014.08.22 13:54:00 -
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I started to go to a group of amateur dramatics (is that the right word? :P) and a couple of days later - poof, playing eve was fun once again  |
Tyrendian Biohazard
Ubiquitous Hurt
Exodus.
333
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Posted - 2014.08.22 13:55:00 -
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Kremlyn Aldard wrote:Stuff
I personally log in for the people and the fights, but I'm the kind of person that just enjoys PvP and doesn't need a reason for it.
It almost sounds like wormholes might be of interest to you, as others have said. You can do the exploration, you'll have your own territory (at least system control), different neighbors. There are even some politics, temporary alliances, etc, that happen if you get involved.
My twitch stream to help new players:
http://www.twitch.tv/biohazrd51
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Kremlyn Aldard
The Visceral Realists
5
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Posted - 2014.08.22 14:29:00 -
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wow, thanks for all your replies, much appreciated : )
It seems the general concensus is to try out living in a wormhole and to build a home there.
i'm going to give this a go and see how i get on.
Are there any wormhole alliances I could join with my solo corp? one's that won't nick all my stuff? :D
To the guy who wrote out his eve-bio - thanks for putting in the time to write this. I can see that it has taken you time to find your niche, and that this changes depending on your circumstances. I think one of the mistakes i've made is solo-corping. I thought it would be a good idea to fly solo, not be hassled by overlords. But it has also detached me from local politics/wars and so on.
Well, I'll give wormhole living a try : ) |
Captain Soju
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
25
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Posted - 2014.08.22 14:51:00 -
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I like DaReaper's points.
I've had a rather rocky start.
Started off in 2007 with a rather silly desire to fly very large ships in very low SP, something which resulted in losing ships and becoming frustrated. I had played on and off over the years and gotten scammed a few times which was a huge downer to me.
Evenually, i sold all my characters for isk and started fresh very recently intending to experience the game as it's meant to be. Now, though i have a reason: Revenge
- I recently joined Brave newbies
- By the 26th when Hyperion hits i will be able to fly a stealth bomber for the first time.; Planning to train heavily into SB's.
Time to make those Scammers pay. That's my motivation.
An eternal newbie's guide to the world of Eve Online - http://captainsoju.blogspot.co.uk/ |
Cara Forelli
Green Skull LLC
541
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Posted - 2014.08.22 15:05:00 -
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If you want to move into a wormhole I highly suggest you find a corp/alliance that has some experience in that area and join them. It's a very different way of life, but it can be very fun with the right people.
Another suggestion - try some solo pvp. Head to FW space in a cheap frigate and find some fights. Don't just kill people "mindlessly". Kill people to see what you are capable of on your own. I find it much more fulfilling than beating people by numbers - it requires more thought and planning; tactics and fittings are actually important. Flying t1 frigs also gives you the chance to set challenges for yourself. Take on faction and assault frigates and see if you can come out on top. There's nothing more fun than gloating over a Daredevil KM you secured in a Breacher, because it means something.
www.ensignyooch.wordpress.com
New player with questions? Just want to chat? Join my public channel in game:-áHouse Forelli |
Grim Hood
Meatshield Bastards
The Bastards.
104
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Posted - 2014.08.22 17:19:00 -
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Go bait highsec missioners into attacking you. Tears are always enjoyable.
Grim Progression - From Zero to Anti-hero
The Grim Point of View
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Desimus Maximus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
74
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Posted - 2014.08.22 22:18:00 -
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Well, unless you are willing and/or want to be a scrub nobody who slaves away to make a small handful rich, null is out of the question unless you have a 20,000 member active renter coalition at your fingertips.
Low is dead thx to 23.5/7 gatecamps in any space that is worth a $#!t
And in highsec you really can't go anywhere w/o a pack of losers with no better skill or ability to do anything other than gank industrial ships..
So in the end, the sandbox is overflowing with people wanting to make your game feel like a chore and CCP has facilitated it all the way. Welcome to reality. |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
7399
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Posted - 2014.08.22 22:24:00 -
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I am a slow learner so it takes me forever to get something in EVE. I log in to try these things and it keeps me self entertained.. it's worked for 6+ months now.
I also log in for the people I've come to interface with.. they are more interesting than the lot of shallow people who walk around in my RL.
~ we're flying high, we're watching the world pass us by ~
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Chopper Rollins
Lantean Empire
944
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Posted - 2014.08.23 01:00:00 -
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Desimus Maximus wrote:Well, unless you are willing and/or want to be a scrub nobody who slaves away to make a small handful rich, null is out of the question unless you have a 20,000 member active renter coalition at your fingertips.
Low is dead thx to 23.5/7 gatecamps in any space that is worth a $#!t
And in highsec you really can't go anywhere w/o a pack of losers with no better skill or ability to do anything other than gank industrial ships..
So in the end, the sandbox is overflowing with people wanting to make your game feel like a chore and CCP has facilitated it all the way. Welcome to reality.
Null, like anything, can be fun with the right company. I grew to really enjoy PVE broken up by home def fleets.
Low is some of the best fun i've had, the idea it's dead due to permacamps is just not true. You either died to a camp and got buttherted or just repeating something some highsec barnacle said.
I did missions and mining in hisec for about 2 years and never got ganked, do pay attention to your environment, they despise their prey because they can really only catch people making bad choices and not taking basic precautions.
You sound like a masochist if you call your whine post a picture of reality.
Reality is something you can make.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
Tear Jar
Emolgranlan Code Enforcement Branch
113
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Posted - 2014.08.23 01:11:00 -
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Kremlyn Aldard wrote:I'm really struggling to log on at the moment.
I've played on and off for almost a year, tried out a few things, lived in high/low/null, joined a few corps, created my own corp so on and so on....
....but i'm beginning to feel Eve's biggest strength - the sandbox principle - is also its biggest weakness. I'm supposed to create my own content - but I keep asking, to what end? I'm not the sort of person who can derive fun by mindlessly killing. It seems rather pointless to kill for isk. Everything I consider - and I've been chewing this over for a few weeks - seems to fly headlong into a cul-de-sac.
I imagine in the early days when there was much space to conquer it was exciting - a little like playing civilisation or similar. But just like the real world, huge power blocs form leading to static cold wars. This was my general impression of living in null. And if you do go and live in null, the sandbox ethos is thrown out of the window - a concentration camp with brutalist commandants seems a better description of nulllife.
But, it is not my intention to slur Eve. It is the most incredible online experience I have ever plugged. Its got under my skin. I only have to see a screenshot - like the one on my desktop - and I'm itching to play. But....I now find myself logging on for half an hour and thinking...hmm, apart from staring at the pretty visuals I really can't think of anything to do...and I log out and do something else.
Exploration used to be my biggest enterprise, but hacking the same sites over and over for a few isk...well, it soon gets you down.
So - forgive the wall of text - how do you vets do it? What keeps you playing? I'm really considering unsubbing at the end of the month; if anyone can inspire me otherwise I'd be grateful.
As a member of the New Order I have faith that my actions improve high sec. Making a difference can be very rewarding and gives me a clear goal in Eve.
I can see clear progress in my goals with every mining permit I sell and every illegal miner I stop. If you want to learn more see the link below.
http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html |
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