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Serkis Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.21 23:45:00 - [1] Edited by: Serkis on 21/07/2006 23:49:59 What if there were no pirates, no pvp, no scammers and no orethiefs? Concord wouldn¦t be needed. Everyone would have billions of isk in their wallets. Everyone would just be doing missions and holding hands. Market for named items would crash because of all the npc loot and almost no ship losses. Everyone would be in faction BS¦s. Everyone would have full set of +5 implants in one clone, full crystal set in another clone, snake set in third...etc Every 0.0 system would have outpost in it. Eventually all alliances would merge into one super alliance and everyone in eve would be members of that alliance which would be called Veldspar Alliance. Everyone would get bored too death and quit. So what statement is more true: 1. Carebearing is bad for EvE! 2. Pirating is good for EvE!
xeom Obsidian Sins	Posted - 2006.07.21 23:48:00 - [2] /signed CCP where are our t2 shield power relays? \| Join[..SIN]
Kerushi Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.21 23:48:00 - [3] carebear builds stuffÖ other carebear loses stuffÖ to pirate pirate get ganked by alliance and loses carebear stuffÖ alliance fights alliance and alot of stuffÖ is lost carebear builds new stuffÖ and repeats the cycle
wierchas noobhunter Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.21 23:48:00 - [4] man carebears 4tw they taste good join col ! now
Kerushi Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.21 23:52:00 - [5] btw, carebearing isn`t bad, if it wasn`t for us, u`d have no minerals, 0.0000000438% of current day market and no carebears mining rares for corps/alliances to sell in empire as there is no one to mine or sell to eve is balanced with it, 1 depends on the other, no matter how much each side hates even thinking about it
HunTarr Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.21 23:55:00 - [6] frying carebears is a good way... i use to cut em up in small pieces and bbq them, though want salt with that carebear? --------------Sig------------------------- /me is currently a big EVE Fan. /me has 3 Alts. /me is looking for nice friends. /me just abandoned his computer for a beer.... ... /me is
Spartanicus Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.22 00:00:00 - [7] Are they good dipped in Ranch?
Ras Blumin Atomic Battle Penguins	Posted - 2006.07.22 00:09:00 - [8] Originally by: Serkis 2. Pirating is good for EvE! That one.
St Dragon Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2006.07.22 00:11:00 - [9] And the point of this topic is? ----------------------------------------------- "Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Jean Rostand
Scorpyn Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.22 00:12:00 - [10] Originally by: Serkis So what statement is more true: 1. Carebearing is bad for EvE! 2. Pirating is good for EvE! Statement 1 is false, statement 2 is true.

Brutus Julius	Posted - 2006.07.22 00:18:00 - [11] Originally by: Scorpyn Originally by: Serkis So what statement is more true: 1. Carebearing is bad for EvE! 2. Pirating is good for EvE! Statement 1 is false, statement 2 is true. good call
Wendat Huron Lupus Industries	Posted - 2006.07.22 00:20:00 - [12] You add nothing to the equation, take yourself out.
Shittake RONA Deepspace Process of Elimination	Posted - 2006.07.22 00:33:00 - [13] Why must it be carebearing is bad and pirating is good? Are you unable to understand the fact that a variety of both destroying AND building is required in this game? While I disagree with CCP some of the time, they realize that a variety of professions are required to appeal to the different playstyles in the game. The question is why don't you realize this?
Serkis Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.22 00:34:00 - [14] Originally by: St Dragon And the point of this topic is? I¦ve just seen alot of whining about pirates/scammers/empire gankers and how they are ruining EvE. People have posted silly suggestions about how to "improve" the game to make these professions almost impossible to operate. This topic is meant to show people that pirating and damaging is the roots that make eve what it is. Fantastic game! Of course we need carebears as long as the roots are in place.
Tsual Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.22 00:45:00 - [15] Edited by: Tsual on 22/07/2006 00:45:31 Originally by: Serkis Originally by: St Dragon And the point of this topic is? I¦ve just seen alot of whining about pirates/scammers/empire gankers and how they are ruining EvE. Do what a longterm ninja miner does, ignore them. ******************** Moral is only usefull so far as society demands it from one to accept his presence.
Pride NL Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.07.22 00:57:00 - [16] Its a vicious circle. PVP'rs needs bears, yet bears need PVP'rs.
Eloc Peptabysmal Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.22 01:05:00 - [17] I congratulate the OP on making the best textbook example of a strawman yet known to mankind. Fo'****zo.
Stephar Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.22 01:50:00 - [18] Loot = grass Carebears = herbivores Pirates = carnivores Carebears eat grass, pirates eat carebears. If all the carebears get eaten, the pirates will have nothing to eat... unless they become carebears themselves and start eating grass. Moo.
LWMaverick	Posted - 2006.07.22 02:01:00 - [19] Poverty
Hydrian Alante Galactic Fighter Syndicate Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.07.22 02:54:00 - [20] You don¦t need carebears to build stuff. You don¦t need carebears to do some mining. So let¦s bbq them.

Jarnisso Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.22 03:40:00 - [21] Edited by: Jarnisso on 22/07/2006 03:41:59 vs Sigh...
Nikolai Nuvolari Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.22 03:48:00 - [22] Carebears feed pirates, pirates give KD something to chase. Therefore, carebears are good. ------------------ Originally by: kieron Buy ISK for RL cash here! Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Tamira Delores	Posted - 2006.07.22 13:29:00 - [23] this sounds just like the classic old stupid argument.. what came first.. the egg or the hen... both arguments are stupid... being a pirate or a carebear is stupid.. just play the game... and quit whining...
Plutoinum Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.22 13:54:00 - [24] If EVE had been like that from the beginning, I would have left long time ago after getting bored. I wouldn't be complaining, because it would be on my 'just another boring game that I've tried list'
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.22 14:02:00 - [25] Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 22/07/2006 14:02:33 Forever day, forever night? Yucks. Life is balanced. We have predators and we have preys. Nothing to see here, move along. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Miss Anthropy Fluffy Carebears	Posted - 2006.07.22 14:29:00 - [26] Originally by: Serkis Edited by: Serkis on 21/07/2006 23:49:59 What if there were no pirates, no pvp, no scammers and no orethiefs? Concord wouldn¦t be needed. Everyone would have billions of isk in their wallets. Everyone would just be doing missions and holding hands. Everyone would be in faction BS¦s. Everyone would have full set of +5 implants in one clone, full crystal set in another clone, snake set in third...etc Every 0.0 system would have outpost in it. Eventually all alliances would merge into one super alliance and everyone in eve would be members of that alliance which would be called Veldspar Alliance. You've just described EVE Utopia!!! To prove it, I deleted the two negative comments from your text, and left the 7 positive comments. Interesting eh? ----------------------------------------------- "I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully." ùGeorge W. Bush, Saginaw, Mich., Sept. 29, 2000
Lord Frost Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.22 14:34:00 - [27] Edited by: Lord Frost on 22/07/2006 14:34:25 On the contrary my friend...there is a fine line between the term "pirate" and what it really refers to. I believe pirates are good for Eve, however, if your daily ritual consists of ganking, griefing, and sniping... then you are no pirate my friend... perhaps a lame one at best. Carebears... or what I rather call, "genuine good people in the community"... are the fabric of Eve... so rant all you rant about pirates, but until a pirate is actually a "pirate", you need to stfu. Look at it this way... Eve could go on without pirates... Eve could NOT continue without your "carebears". Topic done. End of story.
Trebor Locke Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.22 14:37:00 - [28] I'm sorry. You do like getting your ships dirt cheap right? Or how about your alliance? I'm sure there is an industrial corp in there because without one you wont have ships, supplies, or very much to maintain a POS or anything else much larger than a BS. With out us miners, traders, producers, you would still be in your pod my good friend
Aodha Khan Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.22 15:28:00 - [29] Carebears and pirates are good for Eve. What's not good for Eve is the snipers on both sides of the argument saying one or the other isn't good for Eve. So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak.
Serkis Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.22 15:43:00 - [30] lol, i cant belive some of the replies and and assumptions im getting to a post that is 95% joke and 5% "virtual" reality check. I just want to make one thing clear, I am not a pirate like some of you seem to assume, I¦m a hardcore carebear. I make weapons of mass destruction and ships. Without pirates, wars and mindless ganking I would probably be unemployed. So, please by all means stop being a carebear and start pirating, meanwhile I¦ll be counting isk¦s

Metatronic	Posted - 2006.07.22 15:47:00 - [31] Originally by: Stephar Loot = grass Carebears = herbivores Pirates = carnivores Actually... Loot = Grass Carebears = Omnivores with vegetarian inclinations Pirates = Omnivores with carnivorous inclinations
Krulla Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.22 15:51:00 - [32] Originally by: Serkis 1. Carebearing is bad for EvE! 2. Pirating is good for EvE! 1. Is false, 2. is Correct. Without Carebears, pirates wouldn't have a lot of targets besides the other pirates, and wouldn't have any ships to fly around in; without the pirates, teh carebears wouldn't have much to do except ***** level 4s and accumulate billions of isk. The game needs both. Pirates and Carebears need each other, they just don't realize it most of the time.
Carfax Pink Fur Trading Company	Posted - 2006.07.22 15:51:00 - [33] Edited by: Carfax on 22/07/2006 15:51:31 duplicate post, stupid forum lag ======================================== 10 million isk to the first pilot to bring me the announcers frozen corpse ========================================
Carfax Pink Fur Trading Company	Posted - 2006.07.22 15:51:00 - [34] Customers are good for ccp as they pay them money Carebears are good for ccp as they customers. No carebears means less customers. No carebears means no targets for war deccing empire based pirate corps which means less of them so even less customers paying money for ccp. CCP like money ======================================== 10 million isk to the first pilot to bring me the announcers frozen corpse ========================================
Arkanor Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.22 15:53:00 - [35] Originally by: Hydrian Alante You don¦t need carebears to build stuff. You don¦t need carebears to do some mining. So let¦s bbq them. Who else would sit in hisec and mine tons of trit? Balance the Gun/Missile skilltrees! Originally by: kieron rabble, Rabble, RABBLE,
Akorin Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.22 15:58:00 - [36] It's been a few months so here goes another vain attempt at bringing common sense to the forums.. We need everyone in EVE.. Without the "carebears" there would be no ships for you to fly, without the "pirates" low sec the game would get boring real quick. Besides "pirate" and "carebear" are generalizations that only apply to a small percentage of the real eve community.. The reason they get so much attention is that, similar to real life, it's the same small percentage that spams up the forums with bogus topics like this
Gah'khaz Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.22 16:00:00 - [37] Edited by: Gah''khaz on 22/07/2006 16:02:09 lag and double post ftl
Gah'khaz Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.22 16:01:00 - [38] Originally by: Metatronic Originally by: Stephar Loot = grass Carebears = herbivores Pirates = carnivores Actually... Loot = Grass Carebears = Omnivores with vegetarian inclinations Pirates = Omnivores with carnivorous inclinations ok ok so the omniwhures and the carbispores all feast on each other, but tell, who smokes all that grass in the end??+
Doctor Eevil	Posted - 2006.07.22 16:12:00 - [39] Cant we all just get along? or Give peace a chance :D
Kale Furey	Posted - 2006.07.22 16:41:00 - [40] Here's my take. Carebears = side of the player base that helps others, manufactures, etc. All that good stuff. Generally, the players who have everyone's best interests at heart. Pirates = the scum on the bottom of the gene pool, who show their true colors in the game and basically show the worst side of humanity. Are basically the anti-progress, who would see humanity fall apart before giving up their ill-gotten gains. Take a wild guess as to which side I sympathize with...

Nidhoggur	Posted - 2006.07.22 16:46:00 - [41] Originally by: Kale Furey Carebears = side of the player base that helps others, manufactures, etc. All that good stuff. Generally, the players who have everyone's best interests at heart. You mean the people who buy up all the market and put it back up at a higher price? And the people who increase their prices as much as is completely possible while just undercutting the other carebears on the market? (Usually by 0.1 isk ) I'm not sure I agree with your descriptions.
Krulla Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.22 16:47:00 - [42] Originally by: Kale Furey Here's my take. Carebears = side of the player base that helps others, manufactures, etc. All that good stuff. Generally, the players who have everyone's best interests at heart. Pirates = the scum on the bottom of the gene pool, who show their true colors in the game and basically show the worst side of humanity. Are basically the anti-progress, who would see humanity fall apart before giving up their ill-gotten gains. Take a wild guess as to which side I sympathize with... Two kind of people in this game amuse me. 1) The carebear that thinks all pirates are demons made flesh, evil incarnate who are out to do nothing more in this life or another than to cause good, honest people as much pain, sorrow, grief and misery as possible. 2) The pirate that thinks all Carebears are lazy morons, good for nothing except whining on forums, whoring level 4, and baically ruining the game. You sir, amuse me.
CT BadIronTree Gallente	Posted - 2006.07.22 16:49:00 - [43] I am a fat jussy Carebear and I am proud of it :P Bistot ftw veld for the noobs only Lord Zap have poded me when i was testing the new shutles back then... ============================================ Colossus Technologies The first and oldest corp in eve! BadIronTree Head of Production CSM Chat Log September 25, 2003: Fuhry> Some things we simply cannot test, and therefore we just put it on Tranq. cross our fingers and then get into panic mode. --------------------------------------- playing (or beta testing)since Sat, 2 Nov 2002 16:06 (beta 5) ---------------------------------------
Kale Furey	Posted - 2006.07.22 17:05:00 - [44] Originally by: Krulla Originally by: Kale Furey Here's my take. Carebears = side of the player base that helps others, manufactures, etc. All that good stuff. Generally, the players who have everyone's best interests at heart. Pirates = the scum on the bottom of the gene pool, who show their true colors in the game and basically show the worst side of humanity. Are basically the anti-progress, who would see humanity fall apart before giving up their ill-gotten gains. Take a wild guess as to which side I sympathize with... Two kind of people in this game amuse me. 1) The carebear that thinks all pirates are demons made flesh, evil incarnate who are out to do nothing more in this life or another than to cause good, honest people as much pain, sorrow, grief and misery as possible. 2) The pirate that thinks all Carebears are lazy morons, good for nothing except whining on forums, whoring level 4, and baically ruining the game. You sir, amuse me. Normally I don't generalize in such a manner, but most, if not all pirates I've met haven't given me any reason to believe otherwise.
Richard Blade	Posted - 2006.07.23 19:10:00 - [45] i can see your point to a degree aboutthat prob wit everone havin everthing could be easily fixed by makin the rats stronger. that way market would still be fine as many more ppl would be dyin .
Brastagi Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.23 19:28:00 - [46] Where does anti-pirate falls into? --------- In memory of Ghossen
Samirol Ore Mongers	Posted - 2006.07.23 19:46:00 - [47] Edited by: Samirol on 23/07/2006 19:48:05 Originally by: Brastagi Where does anti-pirate falls into? pirates with a cause Originally by: Kale Furey Originally by: Krulla Originally by: Kale Furey Here's my take. Carebears = side of the player base that helps others, manufactures, etc. All that good stuff. Generally, the players who have everyone's best interests at heart. Pirates = the scum on the bottom of the gene pool, who show their true colors in the game and basically show the worst side of humanity. Are basically the anti-progress, who would see humanity fall apart before giving up their ill-gotten gains. Take a wild guess as to which side I sympathize with... Two kind of people in this game amuse me. 1) The carebear that thinks all pirates are demons made flesh, evil incarnate who are out to do nothing more in this life or another than to cause good, honest people as much pain, sorrow, grief and misery as possible. 2) The pirate that thinks all Carebears are lazy morons, good for nothing except whining on forums, whoring level 4, and baically ruining the game. You sir, amuse me. Normally I don't generalize in such a manner, but most, if not all pirates I've met haven't given me any reason to believe otherwise. come on, even the market has pvp, instead of undercutting everyone else, reselling cap recharger IIs, we blow up ships and either a) return them to the market or b) fit them on our ships which will eventually be destroyed or returned to the market.
BurnHard	Posted - 2006.07.23 21:12:00 - [48] The OP is an idiot and a troll who cannot spell Thieves and doesn't fully understand the richness or complexity of the game he is playing.
Serkis Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.23 22:38:00 - [49] Originally by: BurnHard The OP is an idiot and a troll who cannot spell Thieves and doesn't fully understand the richness or complexity of the game he is playing. Thank you for adding nothing to the topic except a personal attack. You obviosly have no idea what you are talking about, now go back into your little hole mr. spellchecking troll.
Tsual Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.23 22:55:00 - [50] Edited by: Tsual on 23/07/2006 22:55:22 Originally by: Serkis Originally by: BurnHard The OP is an idiot and a troll who cannot spell Thieves and doesn't fully understand the richness or complexity of the game he is playing. Thank you for adding nothing to the topic except a personal attack. You obviosly have no idea what you are talking about, now go back into your little hole mr. spellchecking troll. Welcome to the eve-boards, where whiners, flamers, fanboys, trolls, alts and spelling-**s run a rampant verbal grief fest. Well except the moderators, because you can't say anything about the moderators as they are the moderators (and as they own T3H B4NN5T1CK*). hides* ******************** Moral is only usefull so far as society demands it from one to accept his presence.

BurnHard	Posted - 2006.07.23 23:26:00 - [51] Originally by: Serkis Originally by: BurnHard The OP is an idiot and a troll who cannot spell Thieves and doesn't fully understand the richness or complexity of the game he is playing. Thank you for adding nothing to the topic except a personal attack. You obviosly have no idea what you are talking about, now go back into your little hole mr. spellchecking troll. I don't need a spell checker because I've had an education. I've played Eve since Beta so I can safely say I do know what I'm talking about. The topic is a blatant troll. I won't even bother to state why I think your OP is ridiculous, because it doesn't deserve it. Now please go back to your gate camp and rethink your life.
Serkis Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.23 23:43:00 - [52] Originally by: BurnHard Originally by: Serkis Originally by: BurnHard The OP is an idiot and a troll who cannot spell Thieves and doesn't fully understand the richness or complexity of the game he is playing. Thank you for adding nothing to the topic except a personal attack. You obviosly have no idea what you are talking about, now go back into your little hole mr. spellchecking troll. I don't need a spell checker because I've had an education. I've played Eve since Beta so I can safely say I do know what I'm talking about. The topic is a blatant troll. I won't even bother to state why I think your OP is ridiculous, because it doesn't deserve it. Now please go back to your gate camp and rethink your life. If you would have used your education and actually read through the discussion, you would know the op was a joke (most sane people, however, knew it right away) posted in general discussion, you would also know that Im a carebear and usually don¦t gatecamp. And you should read this too: Internet troll From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia In Internet terminology, a troll is someone who comes into an established community such as an online discussion forum, and posts inflammatory, rude, repetitive or offensive messages designed intentionally to annoy and antagonize the existing members or disrupt the flow of discussion, including the personal attack of calling others trolls.
Inquisitor Vates Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.23 23:48:00 - [53] EvE needs both types of players. EvE needs as many types of different players as it can get its sweaty fingers on. The more the merrier. The absolute freedom to do whatever you damn well please in regards to agression against other players and the enviroment is the ONE feature that sets this game apart from every other MMORPG on the market, all of which have cowed to the dreaded trammel. If you're tired of getting ganked, grow a brain. Travel with friends, take indirect routes, or make yourself strong enough to cope. It is darwinism in action, so either evolve, or go play Oblivion. "Always operate from a posistion of strength." ~Alexander the Great "Always maneuver in such a way as to leave the most options available." ~Gaius Julius Caesar "Always have more than one plan,
Jezeret	Posted - 2006.07.24 04:11:00 - [54] I suppose I'd be considered a Carebear, as I spend most of my time in Kingdom space atm, earning money so I can afford to go lo-sec. That said, if I do get popped in lo-sec, that's the risk/profit margin coming into play. I can make a lot more money out there when I go, but I can lose a lot more money out there if I don't go prepared. At the moment, despite having 13mill skill points, I've never PvP'd and would, I don't doubt, get my fender handed to me on a plate the first few times, but you pays your money, you takes your chances. Experience is a great teacher, and after a few failures, I'll start learning the tricks and countering them. I think that is what Eve is all about, learning from your mistakes and adapting to the environment you are working in :)
Alaric Rurk	Posted - 2006.07.24 04:29:00 - [55] Pirates are parasites upon the backs of "carebear" activities like mining, ship-building and ISK making. Without the host, the parasite cannot exist.


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