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codepic Mithril Inc Antigo Dominion	Posted - 2006.07.22 13:40:00 - [1] SOrry if this has been posted already but here we go: Corporate Bookmarks These days every member of the corporation needs to manage their own set of bookmarks. If we want every member to have certain bookmarks, it uses a lot of time to copy those and make sure everyone got them.. Also, it leads to a lot of unnecessary database entries for bookmarks. CEO & Directors could maintain a set of bookmarks. Each shared bookmark folder would have permissions & roles. So we could determine whos got the permissions to view which bookmarks. Example: Ceo creates a new corporate bookmark folder He gives every corp member the permission to view (not edit) the bookmarks He gives directors the permission to edit the bookmarks too He drags a regional G2G set into the folder BOOM: Every member has the gate to gate set visible in their people and places Now, if we find out one of the bookmarks bein offset, a director edits/replaces the bookmark Also, the database server will only need to maintain one set of the bookmarks even though the corporation would have 200 members... No lag, no hassle, everyone got the bookmarks etc...
codepic Mithril Inc Antigo Dominion	Posted - 2006.07.23 08:09:00 - [2] Also, if a safespot is busted, it'd be easy to centrally delete the safespot and create a new. Adding to corporate security. Also, a corporation which is good in security, could cycle the safespots every now and then adding further to the safespot security...
codepic Mithril Inc Antigo Dominion	Posted - 2006.07.24 07:55:00 - [3] Well mostly I got this idea when wondering why on earth the bookmark system is designed to force people to make so much copies while in general software & database design tries to avoid copies. EVERYBODY hates copying. I believe also CCP hates the copies they got in the database, plus of course the whinage from people when they need to copy bookmarks. All of this would stop with centrally managed repository. Lag, duplicate entries in DB, whinage and wasted time.
codepic Mithril Inc Antigo Dominion	Posted - 2006.07.30 10:25:00 - [4] Originally by: K Shara Bad points.... the gate camping nubs will moan that eveyone has instas now and they cant kill poeple from 200km away any more Is that a bad point? Hehe, seriously... In our corporation EVERYONE has instas even without corporate bookmarks. It's just the tedious task of copying and making sure everyone got them... MAYBE CCP would like to add a new contract at some point that a bookmark dealer could allow people to SUBSCRIBE for sets of bookmarks. Personal, Corporate & Alliance subscriptions would be priced differently and this would also make sure we get rid of crappy incomplete BM sets & escrow scams...
codepic Mithril Inc Antigo Dominion	Posted - 2006.08.04 14:04:00 - [5] Originally by: Mr Xofar What about non player corp's? Are Players who choose to not join a player corp to be required to rely on their own BM making? This could maybe be addressed by a new type of "Contract" when Kali comes so that BM providers could create contracts for people to subscribe for sets of bookmarks as suggested above. You could subscribe as a person/corporation/alliance.
codepic Mithril Inc Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.24 12:07:00 - [6] Could this also become a tactical thing... Like in many military/space games, there's a mission briefing and coordinates given, uploaded to your ships computer. Say, a covops pilot (who is a director) can make bookmarks 5 minutes before an OP, shares them and all pilots in the corp has this "Mission Data Uploaded"... Also, if an SS is blown in the middle of the OP for example with probes, it can be easily removed from every pilot to avoid them warping to it...
codepic Mithril Inc Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.26 18:29:00 - [7] Originally by: TheBelgarion /agreed Corp BM should be non-copyable tho ( only for the CEO) so u cant make any copied of the BM and give it or even SELL it to someone else .. I think the access should be role-based (read/write/copy/delete) so a director who participates in the bookmark management, can backup the bookmarks prior to deletion or editing...
codepic Mithril Inc Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.31 15:40:00 - [8] Hehe, actually, who knows the BMs could reside in the corp hangar in a sec can... This would allow role access management and avoid ppl (esp. spies) yanking out the BMs from the containers Our People & Places would just show BMs from the cans in corp hangar within the region we currently are in. Which would get us rid of loading by default BMs from other regions... => less loading & lag The can name could be the corporate BM folder name. Never thought of it this way really. Depends a lot on how eve is coded but it might be a working idea.... Ofc, you'd need always travel to your office to manage the bookmarks but I doubt it'd be that big deal... P.S. Baleorg, don't I know you?
codepic Mithril Inc Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.31 16:07:00 - [9] Hehe, now I know, you're from CAS =)
codepic Mithril Inc Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.01 03:39:00 - [10] Yes, people in NPC or noob-corps wouldn't get this...
codepic Mithril Inc Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.01 13:56:00 - [11] During our last move, our ceo spent a week copying BMs for our directors & allied corp directors... Wasted time I'd say as ceos have a lot more duties than that...
codepic Mithril Inc Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.05 08:42:00 - [12] Originally by: Jessica May I don't see why a 2 tier system of 'people who can have BMs' and 'people who can't have BMs' should exist. Ofc, noob corp players can have BOOKMARKS. But who would handle Corporate Bookmarks as there's no CEO/Directors??? In Noob corp, everyone needs to maintain their own set. Or if in Kali there would be a new contract type "Bookmark Subscription", people in noob corps could subscribe to bookmark sets from a bookmark provider. But again, everyone would need to do this in person. As opposed to player corps where the whole corp could subscribe as corp and all pilots in corp would get the bookmarks... Noob corp is already a 2-tier system. You cannot be war decced, you got loads of restrictions, you can't shoot each other, etc... etc... Originally by: Jessica May If poeple want to stay in a Noob corp then it's a perfectly ledgitimate form of game play. But this idea is try force them to play the game the way someone else wants them too. The solution has to be equal for ALL players no matter what game play they wish to play. Yes, it's perfectly legitimate for you to stay in a noob corp. But then again, you'll loose half of what eve is about. It's all your choice to make but don't demand equality of you want to stick with an unequal corp. If you want to keep integrity for yourself, you're gonna pay for it.
codepic Mithril Inc Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.05 14:38:00 - [13] Originally by: Jessica May I think the WHOLE idea of corp BM isn't workable. Based on what? Corp Bookmarks have several significant POSITIVE effects It removes the need of copying, keeping track of, sharing the bookmarks that are essential to corporate operations to simply copying & configuring one set and sending evemail to corp to acknowledge players there is such a new set available It decreases the total amount of bookmark entries in the database to a fraction from what it is today... Because every member don't need their own copy, this leads to less lag & server load It increases the security of corporation bookmarks by making it impossible for a spy to snag the corp safespots and run. Still allowing every trusted member to use them So it addresses SEVERAL current problems in the player corps. Why would we need to deny this from player corps just in case some noob/npc corp members might whine??? Following the same logic, we should remove corp hangars too? ESPECIALLY, when further developed this could be useful for noob/npc corp players... When bookmarks could be instantiated & shared, it'd only need a new contract type (bookmark subscription). This is not much change to corp bookmarks as it ALREADY is players subscribing to sets of bookmarks through their corporation... Noob/noc corp players could this way subscribe to bookmark sets from bookmark providers. Paying a small monthly/yearly fee for the sets as opposed to paying a big one time fee for one copy which YOU have to keep up to date Now, keep in mind that the future will bring us a new contract system. And every pilot will have their contract history. Say, you become a bookmark service provider and people subscribe to your bookmarks. YOU as a provider will need to keep the bookmarks updated and working....
codepic Mithril Inc Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.06 18:24:00 - [14] Agree... I don't think personal bookmarks even could be removed as how otherwise anyone could come up with a set to share? I mean it HAS TO be pilot making those bookmarks first before sharing for the corporation...

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