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Preeeeemo
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.22 16:42:00 -
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downtime is fat when your skill just finished.
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Exioce
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.22 16:42:00 -
[92]
 Originally by: Tristus
Edited by: Tristus on 22/07/2006 16:19:44
Quoting from someone... <it's times like this that makes the decision not to have skill queuing the decision of a dribbling retard. announced outages you can plan for. random server crap, you can't.>
Sorry guy, apparently you are ignorant about how eve work... This is NOT A SERVER, but a CLUSTER !
this means alot of servers working as one unit.
if you want a server, go play wow, you'll understand what "queuing" means :p
Honestly, i'm impressed by CCR work. Now ok, we all want to play, that's a fact. But please be a little more patient, we'll have an ok cluster soon.
When i see: 24K+ players playing on the same "server", i'm really impressed. I think those who have a little computing culture will understand.
Cya ingame and be patient!
you are apparently too ignorant to understand that a skill queue has nothing to do with whether eve runs on a server, a cluster, or via hamster in running wheel.
a skill queue means that you can queue skills, so when one finishes another automatically starts. now that wasn't so hard to understand now, was it?
you might have a little computing culture, but you lack everything else.
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Yukami Kido
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Posted - 2006.07.22 16:43:00 -
[93]
ahhh at least the problems been found now.
server back by 17:30 gmt apparently then we can finally leave this real life junk behind for the world we know and love
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Yolan
Stupid People Always Need Killing
E N I G M A
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Posted - 2006.07.22 16:43:00 -
[94]
The server is still down, CCP this cannot be tolerated any longer and I demand that you give the following compensation to each player.
1 months free play time
A faction fitted carrier
Sacrifice 20 slightly damp monkeys to the god of server regeneration
This must be done immediately or I will be forced to watch TV with my wife and she is watching Hollyoaks!!!!
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Schani Kratnorr
Viziam
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Posted - 2006.07.22 16:43:00 -
[95]
/me comes back from shower... Still no EVE?
I can also see that two intellectually challenged computer-game virgins, have failed to read my sig *sigh*
Anyway. What do you say CCP? how about some old school compensation? how about sticking up for your product, and give the paying customers a day or two as compensation for the weekend outage?
Uhhh, and, anyone not CCP, please read my sig and try to understand it before wasting your time typing something that ultimately reveals how little brain power you have compared to me.
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"I am an expert in not caring. The trick is to stop giving a rat's ass about anyone else and start thinking about what YOU want, what YOU diserve, what the world ows YOU!" - Bender |
Lemoning Lemming
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Posted - 2006.07.22 16:44:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Lorn'Alt
the new message sais it will be up by 17:30, can anyone tell me how that time relates to eastern standard time. Appreciate it thanks.
Personally I'd like to know how it relates to reality first.
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Vikram Bedi
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Posted - 2006.07.22 16:49:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Iyanah
don't want to sound pushy, but is there any info on an updated estimate for the server comming back online. i'm curious to see what eve-tv is like :D
thanks
Iy
70 seconds....
In an attempt to help lighten the server load, I won't be trying to log in until after 75 seconds.
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Dargnon Nazgarial
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Posted - 2006.07.22 16:51:00 -
[98]
Thats very wise indeed.
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Yukami Kido
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Posted - 2006.07.22 16:51:00 -
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son of a ***** full proxy again.
really got my hopes up that countdown.
damn it oh well im sure theyre doing thier best.
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Naxor
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Posted - 2006.07.22 16:51:00 -
[100]
Folks lets stop bashing the devs / sysadmins. I'm sure they're hard at work fixing this. I'm further willing to bet that a few of them got paged to come into the office on a nice sunny weekend afternoon.
Sorry to read in this thread that they use MS servers, but perhaps at some point they'll consider migrating now that Linux has some more robust database technology. In either case, it's par for the course guys. Ok, stepping off my soapbox now. ;-)
Nax
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Jason Marshall
Hammer Of Light
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Posted - 2006.07.22 16:51:00 -
[101]
i had a startup timer....but now its back to proxy 0  STOP LEADING ME ON CCP
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Jedek
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Posted - 2006.07.22 16:52:00 -
[102]
Correct me if im wrong Eastern is GMT -5 hours (according to my clock) but in eve its GMT - 4
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Kommander Kool
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.22 16:53:00 -
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*BANG* Server ... says... that is OK, gonna connect now.
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nahtoh
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.22 16:53:00 -
[104]
logging in now
Lets see how it works...I'm in 
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"I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self |
dia ginjo
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Posted - 2006.07.22 16:54:00 -
[105]
it's up!
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Shiboline M'Ress
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Posted - 2006.07.22 16:54:00 -
[106]
ok, so is the cluster back online or not... the only thing I get is ''Full Proxy (0)'' which I have no idea what it ...
Haveing returned to the EVEverse just a few days ago..... I WANT IT BAAAAAAAAAAACK 
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Barbicane
The Gun Club
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Posted - 2006.07.22 16:54:00 -
[107]
Heh, I'm in! |
Yukami Kido
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Posted - 2006.07.22 16:56:00 -
[108]
WOO HOO games back now taking bets on the number of reinburment petitions flooding ccp.
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Niding
Polaris Project
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Posted - 2006.07.22 16:57:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Yolan
The server is still down, CCP this cannot be tolerated any longer and I demand that you give the following compensation to each player.
1 months free play time
A faction fitted carrier
Sacrifice 20 slightly damp monkeys to the god of server regeneration
This must be done immediately or I will be forced to watch TV with my wife and she is watching Hollyoaks!!!!
Quality post!
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DrAtomic
Polytope
Ghosts of Retribution
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Posted - 2006.07.22 16:58:00 -
[110]
Originally by: J Frost
Originally by: probablecause
Am I the only UNIX "fanboi" that's disappointed that CCP uses Windows servers? Although I admit I've never scaled PostgreSQL up to the level of performance that CCP must need... Last time I worked with SQL Server was in 1999 on NT4 and it was a joke. IIS3 on over 500 machines, at any given time 3-5 machines were bluescreened.
And yes, I do run Windows on my desktop to play EvE. Although I'd sure love to have a OSX compatible version of the client. :)
No, u r not. In fact, u should know that CCP is a slave of M$ from ASP they use.
I'm wondering why the CCP team won't take the experience while they've encoutered this problem before. Don't they use standard SQL grammar?
If M$ doesn't work, then they should not use it. Go PostgreSQL or even MySQL can handle 20k ppl online + 1k/s queries.
M$ just sucks. I'm personally with the side of GNU. ^^
Lol sure. That is the problem with you *Nix fanbois you are not basing your choice of OS for a best one fits scenario but only on heh i like this so it must be good.
Sometimes *nix is the best choice sometimes Windows is the best choice. You donot know what criteria they had when selecting their platform. If you donot choose Windows for certain solutions over *nix then you cannot even talk. And if you are such a *nix fanboi go play DAOC which has its entire serverfarm running on *nix.
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Chi Prime
Millennium
E.R.A
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Posted - 2006.07.22 17:03:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Drusus Avantar
Originally by: Lorn'Alt
the new message sais it will be up by 17:30, can anyone tell me how that time relates to eastern standard time. Appreciate it thanks.
As all the times CCP gives are ment to be in GMT you can go to www.time.org and check yourself ;)
Or Time Service Dept, US Naval Observatory if you're pedantic.
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Schani Kratnorr
Viziam
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Posted - 2006.07.22 17:04:00 -
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I see a lot of wasteful lines of writing in this thread.
I see people coming up with what can be described as a "defence" of CCP - a misguided defence at best. CCP is a professional company, they do not need spotty nerds defending them (that's what their devs are for?)
Then there are the tech-enabled orks - people who rabble on and on about how EVE runs, what it runs on, and how it's designed, even though they have never, ever seen any of the code, or indeed visited CCP offices or the place where the hardware is placed.
This all boils down to the facts...
- EVE is unavailable
- The customers need to be informed
If you place a question like "how long? ETA please", you should expect an answer, you are after all paying for a service, and paying quite a lot in fact.
Any customer replying to a question directed at official CCP staff/vulonteers, should consider just how irellevant his opinions are.
Your misguided defence serves only to clutter the discussion, and direct attention away from the purpose - to inform customers and answer their questions as best as possible.
I repeat - hey CCP, how about one or two free days as compensation for the outages during this weekend?
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"I am an expert in not caring. The trick is to stop giving a rat's ass about anyone else and start thinking about what YOU want, what YOU diserve, what the world ows YOU!" - Bender |
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Valar
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Posted - 2006.07.22 17:10:00 -
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The server is up now.
A little post mortem like I always do when something happens 
I just returned from a two week vacation in the UK, visiting friends near London.
Before I left I made sure the database was in order and that it should stay that way till I came back.... and it did.
I came back to Iceland on thursday afternoon but was still technicly on vacation till monday. But the database server just couldn't wait. It just enjoys my company too much.
The server problems were because we ran out of free itemIDs. I'm not going to explain how our itemID system works, I've done so in the past, but for technical reasons and performance reasons the itemID column is of datatype int, not bigint, so the table is limited to max int number of items at any given time.
For some reason, the itemIDs ran out way before expected(based on past experience) and that caused the server to stop being able to produce new items. As soon as I had located the issue I started deleting items that are kept in "junkyards" and we now have enough free itemIDs for at least a couple of days, and I will spend the downtimes in the next few days deleting from more junkyards.
People might ask why we don't automate deleting from junkyards. The answer is simple. The transaction log file is on the RAMSAN, the RAMSAN is only 64gb and deleting from junkyards often fills it up. Moving the transaction log from the SSD is not an option because that would make this take too much time. We have plans to fix this however because this *is* a big problem and an administrative headache but of course it takes time.
I apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused and hope that I'll get to keep my head when EVE TV and the tournament teams get a hold of me.
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Valar
Database admin - Server operations team
CCP Games
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Trell Asaker
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.22 17:10:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Sentinel Eeex
It would be nice to actually create a sticky forum where people could post their 'happy messages', when EVE is working and they're having loads of fun :)
Actually... If you read the forums almost all messages excluding this forum are about a game that works. People are comparing experiences, changing ideas - having fun. =) |
Schani Kratnorr
Viziam
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Posted - 2006.07.22 17:14:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Valar
The server is up now.
A little post mortem like I always do when something happens
I just returned from a two week vacation in the UK, visiting friends near London.
Before I left I made sure the database was in order and that it should stay that way till I came back.... and it did.
I came back to Iceland on thursday afternoon but was still technicly on vacation till monday. But the database server just couldn't wait. It just enjoys my company too much.
The server problems were because we ran out of free itemIDs. I'm not going to explain how our itemID system works, I've done so in the past, but for technical reasons and performance reasons the itemID column is of datatype int, not bigint, so the table is limited to max int number of items at any given time.
For some reason, the itemIDs ran out way before expected(based on past experience) and that caused the server to stop being able to produce new items. As soon as I had located the issue I started deleting items that are kept in "junkyards" and we now have enough free itemIDs for at least a couple of days, and I will spend the downtimes in the next few days deleting from more junkyards.
People might ask why we don't automate deleting from junkyards. The answer is simple. The transaction log file is on the RAMSAN, the RAMSAN is only 64gb and deleting from junkyards often fills it up. Moving the transaction log from the SSD is not an option because that would make this take too much time. We have plans to fix this however because this *is* a big problem and an administrative headache but of course it takes time.
I apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused and hope that I'll get to keep my head when EVE TV and the tournament teams get a hold of me.
How about a day or two as compensation, like the old days?
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"I am an expert in not caring. The trick is to stop giving a rat's ass about anyone else and start thinking about what YOU want, what YOU diserve, what the world ows YOU!" - Bender |
Nihn Lemai
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Posted - 2006.07.22 17:15:00 -
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Yey for official statements! Thanks Valar.
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Kerushi
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.22 17:17:00 -
[117]
just start the tournament and ur forgiven 
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J Frost
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Posted - 2006.07.22 17:17:00 -
[118]
Originally by: DrAtomic
Originally by: J Frost
Originally by: probablecause
Am I the only UNIX "fanboi" that's disappointed that CCP uses Windows servers? Although I admit I've never scaled PostgreSQL up to the level of performance that CCP must need... Last time I worked with SQL Server was in 1999 on NT4 and it was a joke. IIS3 on over 500 machines, at any given time 3-5 machines were bluescreened.
And yes, I do run Windows on my desktop to play EvE. Although I'd sure love to have a OSX compatible version of the client. :)
No, u r not. In fact, u should know that CCP is a slave of M$ from ASP they use.
I'm wondering why the CCP team won't take the experience while they've encoutered this problem before. Don't they use standard SQL grammar?
If M$ doesn't work, then they should not use it. Go PostgreSQL or even MySQL can handle 20k ppl online + 1k/s queries.
M$ just sucks. I'm personally with the side of GNU. ^^
Lol sure. That is the problem with you *Nix fanbois you are not basing your choice of OS for a best one fits scenario but only on heh i like this so it must be good.
Sometimes *nix is the best choice sometimes Windows is the best choice. You donot know what criteria they had when selecting their platform. If you donot choose Windows for certain solutions over *nix then you cannot even talk. And if you are such a *nix fanboi go play DAOC which has its entire serverfarm running on *nix.
One thing that i really would like to metion: making choices of what system and server softwares to use ACCORDING to the circumstances you've got, would be a BASIC thing that a programmer should consider. I am a *nix fanboi, but i did NOT say that PostgreSQL would work out the exactly same compare with M$ SQL.
Another thing i would really like to say, is, i can really give my UNDERSTANDING to the lovely dev team, but i don't feel sorry to be COMPLAINING. Simple reason: the cluster SHOULD work well, but it's broken. Fixing the cluster is WHAT THE DEV TEAM IS PAYED TO DO. I won't appreciate CCP for fixing the server, and don't even try to make me feeling guilty about complaining.
I do love EVE and CCP, but I don't like people to support CCP without thinking. Explaining won't make customers feel any better in any case, cuz what the customers are looking for is not some words from the service provider. Not to mention, i'm not asking for anything EXTRA, i'm just asking what i am DESERVED.
I applogize if my word hurts anybody, but i just don't want to listen to those explaining. Don't explain, do what u should do.
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Odaroff
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Posted - 2006.07.22 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Tristus
Sorry guy, apparently you are ignorant about how eve work... This is NOT A SERVER, but a CLUSTER !
And apparently you are ignorant of common MMO parlance, where the word server is used interchangeably with the word cluster.
Originally by: Tristus
Honestly, i'm impressed by CCR work. Now ok, we all want to play, that's a fact. But please be a little more patient, we'll have an ok cluster soon.
When i see: 24K+ players playing on the same "server", i'm really impressed. I think those who have a little computing culture will understand.
I was impressed by what CCP was doing years ago. I am no longer impressed. By now, there should be no need to take the server down every single day. A built-in 95.8333% uptime in a mission-critical system (and the EVE servers are by definition mission-critical for CCP, as their product and source of income is the game itself) is inexcusable, no matter what the technological hurdles.
Originally by: Kaylana Syi
you and everyone like you are pretty much idiots
Such an intelligent way to begin an argument. Are we supposed to take childish, opinionated insults as the foundation for an educated opinion?
Originally by: Kaylana Syi
It all comes down to profitability, ease of use, and development time. EVE's original cluster was made from IBM dual xeon clusters. This is left for 2 options, AIX and Windows Server 2000. Their was NO stable Linux Database Server at the time so the only 2 options for database server software was SQL Server 2000, DB2 and Oracle.
You obviously do not know the state of the database market, then or now, and on top of that don't know how to count to three. Again, are we supposed to give credibility to your arguments when they are about as solid as tapioca?
Originally by: Kaylana Syi
If you knew anything about DB2 and Oracle they aren't exacly speed deamons over TCP/IP and require more administration. So... to be a successful company they chose the mid size cluster ready server software that looked best to development time AND the money man (which was a Viacom company.)
So pardon me if I think that you simply just don't understand how to run a company and think you have no practical application of your geekdom.
And you do? Sorry, but your lack of credible arguments and reliance on childish insults relegate your entire post to file 13, as a waste of everyone's reading time.
Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Originally by: Deja Thoris
12pm is afternoon on planet earth
Wrong, twice over.
News for you, afternoon begins at precisely 12pm, or 12:00 military time. But even if you were right, what is the point of your post?
Originally by: Iorya Dragon
I want you to point me to the other mmorpgs that have 25000 players online, not 2000, not 4000, mkay?
Nobody gives a flying squirrel, people just want to play the game, and things like this are what relegate EVE to a fairly insignificant market share, because players get fed up and quit. At the very least, if they can't remove the daily downtime, they can allow us to queue up a skill to start training after the current one ends, or default to training the next level of the same skill.
Originally by: Imhotep Khem
Perhaps Python was not the best choice?
Do you have a better recommendation? Personally I hate all scripting languages, but compiled software doesn't lend itself as well to online, real-time systems (although there are arguments as to why it is better); however, Python is a popular, powerful scripting language easily adequate to this purpose, though no more or less capable than many others. In any case, making a statement like that without providing one shred of anything to back it up makes it completely valueless.
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Maximillian Pele
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Posted - 2006.07.22 17:31:00 -
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I think we need to all send CCP some server Viagra - as they keep having performance issues and can't keep it up.
And for god's sake let's get rid of the tens of thousands of secured cans anchored in every conceivable location. It is obvious that many are not being used. When you warp into a remote asteroid belt with roids the size of planets, it is obvious that the 100+ cans surrounding it aren't being used.
Simply state that a can that is not used for x number of days breaks its anchor and is lost. Might free up space on the data base.
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