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Xorus
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Posted - 2006.07.22 14:38:00 -
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Due to some players experiencing problems opening cans, reloading weapons and other tasks TQ has been taken down for a short unscheduled reboot, please keep all comments about this DT here
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QwaarJet
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.22 14:40:00 -
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Nice timing lads.
"Hobbes, she stepped into the Perimter Of Wisdom.Run!" |
hendo001
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.22 14:40:00 -
[3]
any news what caused the problem?
a database error?
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Recruiting Miners, Mission Runners and Haulers
Convo hendo001 in game or join channel Q-T-I
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Laocoon
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.07.22 14:41:00 -
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Umm... like... my ship won't die? (ECM for the loose. Gatecamps with ECM for the loose. etc)
hull = 0%
armor = 0%
shield = 100%
\o/
- Lao
Veto. Corp |
Splagada
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.22 14:41:00 -
[5]
how long till the "this takes longer than expected" message? :D
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Flying funky ships since 2006 |
Tommy TenKreds
Animal Mercantile Executive
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Posted - 2006.07.22 14:42:00 -
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/me attaches electrodes to the server hamsters 
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M Langwaa
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Posted - 2006.07.22 14:44:00 -
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what happens to cans after reboot? been mining for 2and half hours here....
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.22 14:46:00 -
[8]
 Originally by: Laocoon
Umm... like... my ship won't die?
I just took it out with a 300 km uber sniper gankage shot. FEAR ME. 
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Amthrianius
Arcane Technologies
The Five
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Posted - 2006.07.22 14:47:00 -
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reboot didn't fix \o/
gg
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Degarion Soth
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.22 14:48:00 -
[10]
Just got back in after the reboot - still cant fit my ship FYI
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Laocoon
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.07.22 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Laocoon
Umm... like... my ship won't die?
I just took it out with a 300 km uber sniper gankage shot. FEAR ME.
not with T2 railgun ammo, i hope? 
- Lao
Veto. Corp |
Splagada
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.22 14:52:00 -
[12]
cant assemble ship...
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Flying funky ships since 2006 |
Epsillon
Out Of Exile
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Posted - 2006.07.22 14:53:00 -
[13]
Yep, server still on the blink. Can't fit the ship, and ammo is vanishing from my Items.
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KingKenny
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Posted - 2006.07.22 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: Splagada
cant assemble ship...
Can't repackage ship, how about we swop
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Jonas Vance
Orion's Wrath
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Posted - 2006.07.22 14:54:00 -
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Yep, Same here, can't fit ship, can't repackage items. Things I purchased do not show up in my hanger. Also, tried plugging in an implant from the items hanger and that doesn't seem to work either. |
Dilskin
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.22 14:54:00 -
[16]
Reboot the reboot? |
AdamC
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Posted - 2006.07.22 14:55:00 -
[17]
The market is also broke 
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galco II
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.22 14:56:00 -
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Server reboot complete.
Problem still there
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Musahi Myamoto
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Posted - 2006.07.22 14:56:00 -
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Cargo was loaded with precious alloys , go back to station to refine then after instead of having 6K nocxium and 8K Isogen it turned out like 7 and 2 ! My refining skills may suck but come on. haha !
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Kerushi
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.22 14:57:00 -
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another reboot coming
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SoldierOfFortune
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.22 14:57:00 -
[21]
Woo reboot for the reboot :)
"RAWR" is my keyword, and also my second language |
Badgerface
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.22 14:58:00 -
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Edited by: Badgerface on 22/07/2006 14:59:39
Logged back, accepted mission from agent to be greeted with:
"Oh my! My computer just crashed horribly when I was
entering your mission acceptance, and I lost the file on your
mission. I knew I should have installed a backup file system...
Anyhow, the cause of this has been logged on the server along with a nice stack trace explaining what
went wrong, so the proper authorities will undoubtedly repair this mission as soon as possible. Perhaps
you would like another mission in the meantime ?"
 Just seen reboot notification 
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Epsillon
Out Of Exile
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Posted - 2006.07.22 14:59:00 -
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Gah, why do we need to wait 10 minutes for the server shutdown?
Can't you make it like, 30 seconds? I'm twitching already from withdrawal!
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Xelios
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.22 15:04:00 -
[24]
Sucks for the alliance tourney, which was supposed to start already =P
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Mrmuttley
Apocalypse Enterprises
Verisum Family
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Posted - 2006.07.22 15:04:00 -
[25]
Originally by: "market"
2006.07.22 15:01:19 info The Kor-Azor market region has been closed until further notice by the SCC while officials investiage allegations of insider trading. Please try again tomorrow, or refer to another market region for your trading needs.
Oh well lets see how long the next reboot takes 
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I am Dyslexic of Borg.
Your ass will be laminated.
Originally by: Rod Blaine
Eve is not supposed to be fair
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R3dSh1ft
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.07.22 15:05:00 -
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I can't repackage my lewt for sell !! omgzorz..
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2006.07.22 14:48:33 info The Catch market region has been closed until further notice by the SCC while officials investiage allegations of insider trading. Please try again tomorrow, or refer to another market region for your trading needs.
I dont remember co-ordinating any insider trading this week
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EXZODIER
Galactic Shipyards Inc
HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2006.07.22 15:05:00 -
[27]
we need to just sit and wait and DAM as im typeing this server goes down and i was fighting rats - hope im ok
My sig says it all
HMMMMMMMM the end ? i think not |
Phoenix Lord
The Arrow Project
The ARR0W Project
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Posted - 2006.07.22 15:05:00 -
[28]
the counter lied!!! it shut down like 3 mins early :P
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Phoenix Lord
The Arrow Project
The ARR0W Project
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Posted - 2006.07.22 15:06:00 -
[29]
Originally by: EXZODIER
we need to just sit and wait and DAM as im typeing this server goes down and i was fighting rats - hope im ok
My sig says it all
Real smart.. the messages say to get safe and you go ratting lol.
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Amthrianius
Arcane Technologies
The Five
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Posted - 2006.07.22 15:07:00 -
[30]
A lock issue in the database was causing the inventory system to time out on most actions. We are trying to find the cause of the deadlock, and will start up again in a moment
This is a side effect of the upgrade to SQL Server 2005, either an issue in SQL Server 2005 or something in our code not working well with the new SQL server
From Valar last time this exact same thing happened about 2 months ago
Linky
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Arianna 'Deidorian
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Posted - 2006.07.22 15:08:00 -
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Quote:
Due to some players experiencing problems opening cans, reloading weapons and other tasks TQ has been taken down for a short unscheduled reboot, please keep all comments about this DT here
It's a problem? Thought it was a feature.
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Kerushi
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.22 15:08:00 -
[32]
thanks ccp for a window to haul a few bil with indestructable ships 
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HailGail
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Posted - 2006.07.22 15:09:00 -
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I think its a load of crap that the mods delete every single post that has anything to do with the problems that has been happening that are causing the restart.
Even if its someone complaining about loot cans dissapearing or a market bug or whatever, the mods will delete it and direct you to post in "the crash thread"
Normally they would just lock the posts, but obviously CCP dont want their forums full of posts complaining about the problems that are going on, the mods know full well that most people who's thread they delete wont bother to re-type the whole thing in another thread.
Its all just one big cover up to try to make ccp not look so bad, they should just suck it up and accept that they screwed up and now they're paying customers are complaining, NOT try to cover up by deleting as many threads relating to the subject as possible, it makes me sick tbh.
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Sunny Mooninite
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Posted - 2006.07.22 15:09:00 -
[34]
Note to CCP support techs: we know this is because you've been playing Snood on the servers. You've all been sacked.
Also, Frigson McKraken, we know it's you that's been eating others lunches. You've also been sacked.
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HailGail
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Posted - 2006.07.22 15:10:00 -
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I think its a load of crap that the mods delete every single post that has anything to do with the problems that has been happening that are causing the restart.
Even if its someone complaining about loot cans dissapearing or a market bug or whatever, the mods will delete it and direct you to post in "the crash thread"
Normally they would just lock the posts, but obviously CCP dont want their forums full of posts complaining about the problems that are going on, the mods know full well that most people who's thread they delete wont bother to re-type the whole thing in another thread.
Its all just one big cover up to try to make ccp not look so bad, they should just suck it up and accept that they screwed up and now they're paying customers are complaining, NOT try to cover up by deleting as many threads relating to the subject as possible, it makes me sick tbh.
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Yves DeFleur
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Posted - 2006.07.22 15:10:00 -
[36]
I'm going to bed early. A good nights sleep and usually the server is fine when I wake up. I hope for the rest of you that it is fixed before then.
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Naxor
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Posted - 2006.07.22 15:13:00 -
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Is the server back up yet? Can't connect here from eastern US (15:11 GMT).
:-(
Nax
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Bull Slater
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.22 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: HailGail
I think its a load of crap that the mods delete every single post that has anything to do with the problems that has been happening that are causing the restart.
Even if its someone complaining about loot cans dissapearing or a market bug or whatever, the mods will delete it and direct you to post in "the crash thread"
Normally they would just lock the posts, but obviously CCP dont want their forums full of posts complaining about the problems that are going on, the mods know full well that most people who's thread they delete wont bother to re-type the whole thing in another thread.
Its all just one big cover up to try to make ccp not look so bad, they should just suck it up and accept that they screwed up and now they're paying customers are complaining, NOT try to cover up by deleting as many threads relating to the subject as possible, it makes me sick tbh.
Most people won't repost in the right thread but you're willing to whine two times within 3 posts? Need a hug?
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Yves DeFleur
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Posted - 2006.07.22 15:14:00 -
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It was up...then down...then up...now down again....
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Zaehlas
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Posted - 2006.07.22 15:15:00 -
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Well, you can post here, and since everyone is being redirected here, it's a huge cover up. No one knows about any problems EVE has.
Shhhhhhh...
Nothing to see here, move along. These are not the database errors you are looking for.
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HailGail
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Posted - 2006.07.22 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: Bull Slater
Originally by: HailGail
I think its a load of crap that the mods delete every single post that has anything to do with the problems that has been happening that are causing the restart.
Even if its someone complaining about loot cans dissapearing or a market bug or whatever, the mods will delete it and direct you to post in "the crash thread"
Normally they would just lock the posts, but obviously CCP dont want their forums full of posts complaining about the problems that are going on, the mods know full well that most people who's thread they delete wont bother to re-type the whole thing in another thread.
Its all just one big cover up to try to make ccp not look so bad, they should just suck it up and accept that they screwed up and now they're paying customers are complaining, NOT try to cover up by deleting as many threads relating to the subject as possible, it makes me sick tbh.
Most people won't repost in the right thread but you're willing to whine two times within 3 posts? Need a hug?
It's the same post, posted twice because these forums are junk.
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Bull Slater
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.22 15:17:00 -
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Ah ok, then I apologise. The hug offer is still open though :D
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HailGail
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Posted - 2006.07.22 15:17:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Zaehlas
Well, you can post here, and since everyone is being redirected here, it's a huge cover up. No one knows about any problems EVE has.
Shhhhhhh...
Nothing to see here, move along. These are not the database errors you are looking for.
There are no Database errors in the EVE system! - The EVE information minister.
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Tammarr
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Posted - 2006.07.22 15:18:00 -
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HailGail... I dont know how to express this but here we go: If its so bad, just hit terminate next time you logon and come to the character selection screen.
/me hands a bucket of lube to the cluster team.
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Arcadia1701
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.22 15:18:00 -
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but OMG valar the SQL god is on holiday, were all doomed, doomed i tell u..
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Talmssar
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.22 15:19:00 -
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I think I let them fix database for long. Time to test next ol game WoW was flop, so I dont think WWII is any better...
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Golerre Evraun
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Posted - 2006.07.22 15:19:00 -
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Edited by: Golerre Evraun on 22/07/2006 15:20:31
all i can say is i hope it's fixed tonight, we've been waiting over a month to take delivery of a freighter that is due to be escrowed today
(edit) talmssar, can i have your stuff?(/edit)
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Gretchen Dawntreader
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.22 15:20:00 -
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Bah, I finished a rogue drone mission, missing convoy or something, but couldn't loot the special delivery item. so I bookmarked everything and the reboot happened.
Going back, there is nothing where my mission used to be. Now it's being rebooted again...I hope I don't fail a mission and take a standing hit with my R&D corp because of this.
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Tammarr
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Posted - 2006.07.22 15:28:00 -
[49]
So... anyone else have the "Full Proxy" message now?
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KingKenny
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Posted - 2006.07.22 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: Gretchen Dawntreader
Bah, I finished a rogue drone mission, missing convoy or something, but couldn't loot the special delivery item. so I bookmarked everything and the reboot happened.
Going back, there is nothing where my mission used to be. Now it's being rebooted again...I hope I don't fail a mission and take a standing hit with my R&D corp because of this.
I think there is a "mission stuck" petition you can file. They will either cancel the mission without loss of standing or give you the special item that your missing. May take an hour or 2 due as a crash normally results in a large petition queue. Good luck.
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nasty bob
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Posted - 2006.07.22 15:31:00 -
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I wonder how long the petitions for todays problems will take to get processed?
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Rekindle
O.R.C. Outrage Compliant
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Posted - 2006.07.22 15:33:00 -
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oh crap the server is messed up and I don't have any tinfoil.
Blame SQL its always a good bet.
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Arngorf
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.22 15:33:00 -
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aarrrrgghh get the server up up up up UP!!! skilltraining allmost done... arggeeee  
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!!
Whine whine whine!!!!
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Crazy LL
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Posted - 2006.07.22 15:39:00 -
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wow thanks for ruining another weekend.
why cant this be done during middle of the day on american TZ for once?
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M Langwaa
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Posted - 2006.07.22 15:39:00 -
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been mining all morning, start to haul, cant loot cans, server reboots, I frantically try and loot my cans as rats attack me, server reboot count down says 2minutes and some odd seconds until reboot and bamm server reboots, anyone with any experience with this know whats gonna happen to my hauler and mine ore cans?
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anotleam
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Posted - 2006.07.22 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: Crazy LL
wow thanks for ruining another weekend.
why cant this be done during middle of the day on american TZ for once?
Maybe cause it's now when the server is not working properly?
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Coen DeTormentor
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.22 15:42:00 -
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Sideeffect from before the reboots:
- Items being bought on the market never appeared in the hangars. All items missing.
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Sli'co Scoser
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.22 15:43:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Crazy LL
wow thanks for ruining another weekend.
why cant this be done during middle of the day on american TZ for once?
It is the middle of the day in US TZs.
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James Snowscoran
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.22 15:44:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Crazy LL
wow thanks for ruining another weekend.
why cant this be done during middle of the day on american TZ for once?
CCP intentionally schedules bug appearances to friday and saturday evenings.
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Tuijabird
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Posted - 2006.07.22 15:45:00 -
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Edited by: Tuijabird on 22/07/2006 15:46:43
to be honest i love this. the tourney has supposed to start. This tourney is for all to enjoy and people to be able to look into the world of eve. I guess they get to look at all the bugs and bullspoey we deal with on regular basis. now thats funny, a promotional televised tourney can't begin because the server is borked.
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Robinete Broadhead
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.22 15:45:00 -
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Originally by: Crazy LL
wow thanks for ruining another weekend.
why cant this be done during middle of the day on american TZ for once?
How about moving the servers over here so we can keep them running??
Yes, I am an ALT in a NOOB Corp.
Forum *snip* Please don not attempt to evade the profanity-filter. - Ivan K
Market Watcher and buyer.
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probablecause
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.22 15:47:00 -
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Am I the only UNIX "fanboi" that's disappointed that CCP uses Windows servers? Although I admit I've never scaled PostgreSQL up to the level of performance that CCP must need... Last time I worked with SQL Server was in 1999 on NT4 and it was a joke. IIS3 on over 500 machines, at any given time 3-5 machines were bluescreened.
And yes, I do run Windows on my desktop to play EvE. Although I'd sure love to have a OSX compatible version of the client. :)
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Zaehlas
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.22 15:49:00 -
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Maybe a bad idea to include a "Starting up" counter when checking server status on the login screen? I can imagine how the server handles 15k + logins in the matter of 3-4 seconds.
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ScatosHoken
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.22 15:50:00 -
[64]
90...40...20...10...5...1...Connect...Proxy Full
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Splagada
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.22 15:50:00 -
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it says online for a few, but "full proxy(0)"
denmark and belgium say the same
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Villiger
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Posted - 2006.07.22 15:52:00 -
[66]
tq has returned to service
reported by Character Villiger | 2006.07.22 15:48:51 | NEW
A hotfix applied to Tranquility today inadvertently screwed up everything again for paying customers and added a bug to the escrow system and a small number of players were able to capitalize on our mistake and personally benefit for their own gain. Tranquility was taken down for several hours in a mass hysteria to correct this issue and to compliment the exploiters on their vigilance.
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Neslo
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.22 15:52:00 -
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So is it technically down if the status is Full Proxy (0) for most of the day? Or is it considered up and running much in the same way an airplane has departed as soon as the gateway is retracted (and therefore if you sit on the tarmaq for 4 hours you are not delayed)?
From Ashes to Ashes... From Dust to Dust....
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JForce
The Arrow Project
The ARR0W Project
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Posted - 2006.07.22 15:53:00 -
[68]
This sucks mucho grande ass
JForce
The Arrow Project
N.W.A Reprezent
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Neslo
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.22 15:54:00 -
[69]
Edited by: Neslo on 22/07/2006 15:55:44
Originally by: Villiger
tq has returned to service
reported by Character Villiger | 2006.07.22 15:48:51 | NEW
A hotfix applied to Tranquility today inadvertently screwed up everything again for paying customers and added a bug to the escrow system and a small number of players were able to capitalize on our mistake and personally benefit for their own gain. Tranquility was taken down for several hours in a mass hysteria to correct this issue and to compliment the exploiters on their vigilance.
Read more +
That was yesterday m8...
EDIT:
Corret time and date for that post:
tq has returned to service
reported by GM Grimmi | 2006.07.20 15:48:51
From Ashes to Ashes... From Dust to Dust....
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Ewnton Haute
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Posted - 2006.07.22 15:57:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Sli'co Scoser
Originally by: Crazy LL
wow thanks for ruining another weekend.
why cant this be done during middle of the day on american TZ for once?
It is the middle of the day in US TZs.
And on the West Coast in the USA, it is morning - time when I am always on so please don't feel like you are the only ones that suffer.
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Sentinel Eeex
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.22 15:57:00 -
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I've scheduled 2 hours for EVE, twice this week (besides the 'when I get time to play it' time), and both times were downtimes. Escrow exploit thingie, and now this.
Could you, please, make your server crash in US afternoon timezone for a change?
Thank you :(
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Robinete Broadhead
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.22 15:58:00 -
[72]
tq problems, server down
reported by GM Arkanon | 2006.07.22 15:16:53 | NEW
Dear players.
Shortly after 14:00 today, we started getting reports of various ingame problems. Symptoms included trades not being completed, refined minerals not appearing in player hangars, destroyed ships not disappearing from space, GMs crying hysterically... Erm, that last bit was not visible ingame, actually.
We initially thought this was due to a botched start up and therefore went for a server reboot. That did not fix the problem, so we had to take the server back down and the issue is now being investigated further by our server team. The server will be started up as soon as possible. No further information is available at this time.
We sincerely apologize for the inconvenience this has caused. .............................
Yes, I am an ALT in a NOOB Corp.
Forum *snip* Please don not attempt to evade the profanity-filter. - Ivan K
Market Watcher and buyer.
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Double TaP
The Establishment
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Posted - 2006.07.22 15:59:00 -
[73]
guess its time to play some bf2
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Mtthias Clemi
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.22 16:00:00 -
[74]
Edited by: Mtthias Clemi on 22/07/2006 16:02:25
Whip those hamsters back into shape!
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Ewnton Haute
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Posted - 2006.07.22 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Sentinel Eeex
I've scheduled 2 hours for EVE, twice this week (besides the 'when I get time to play it' time), and both times were downtimes. Escrow exploit thingie, and now this.
Could you, please, make your server crash in US afternoon timezone for a change?
Thank you :(
Take a look at your timezone map buddy - West Coast USA it is 9am, East Coast USA it is 12pm.
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Exioce
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.22 16:03:00 -
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Edited by: Exioce on 22/07/2006 16:04:26
it's times like this that makes the decision not to have skill queuing the decision of a dribbling retard. announced outages you can plan for. random server crap, you can't.
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Villiger
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Posted - 2006.07.22 16:03:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Neslo
Edited by: Neslo on 22/07/2006 15:55:44
Originally by: Villiger
tq has returned to service
reported by Character Villiger | 2006.07.22 15:48:51 | NEW
A hotfix applied to Tranquility today inadvertently screwed up everything again for paying customers and added a bug to the escrow system and a small number of players were able to capitalize on our mistake and personally benefit for their own gain. Tranquility was taken down for several hours in a mass hysteria to correct this issue and to compliment the exploiters on their vigilance.
Read more +
That was yesterday m8...
EDIT:
Corret time and date for that post:
tq has returned to service
reported by GM Grimmi | 2006.07.20 15:48:51
It was a little bit of levity to pass the time not a CNN headline news bulletinà
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R3dSh1ft
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.07.22 16:04:00 -
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Its hardly a regular thing now, granted back in the day there were problems, but since RMR patch things have been quite outstanding for me, lag is infrequent, downtimes are generally only 30 minutes long (sometimes shorter) and have thoroughly enjoyed the last 3 months playing tbh!
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Broggo Yimmix
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2006.07.22 16:05:00 -
[79]
Oh no... I'm gonna have to take my milky skin into the sun now. eeee***kk.
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Sentinel Eeex
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.22 16:06:00 -
[80]
It would be nice to actually create a sticky forum where people could post their 'happy messages', when EVE is working and they're having loads of fun :)
As it's now, we only get to whine when something is wrong, but kudos to CCP are lost in sea of other topics, hehe.
Good luck w/ server problems, I hope to get to play it later tonight.
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M Langwaa
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Posted - 2006.07.22 16:07:00 -
[81]
Originally by: M Langwaa
been mining all morning, start to haul, cant loot cans, server reboots, I frantically try and loot my cans as rats attack me, server reboot count down says 2minutes and some odd seconds until reboot and bamm server reboots, anyone with any experience with this know whats gonna happen to my hauler and mine ore cans?
Anyone give me a heads uup on this???
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Price Watcher
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Posted - 2006.07.22 16:07:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Exioce
Edited by: Exioce on 22/07/2006 16:04:26
it's times like this that makes the decision not to have skill queuing the decision of a dribbling retard. announced outages you can plan for. random server crap, you can't.
Quoted For Truth!
One lousey little skill in que. Is that so much to ask?
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Sentinel Eeex
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.22 16:08:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Ewnton Haute
Originally by: Sentinel Eeex
I've scheduled 2 hours for EVE, twice this week (besides the 'when I get time to play it' time), and both times were downtimes. Escrow exploit thingie, and now this.
Could you, please, make your server crash in US afternoon timezone for a change?
Thank you :(
Take a look at your timezone map buddy - West Coast USA it is 9am, East Coast USA it is 12pm.
And how is it "afternoon"? It's 6PM here, don't tell me it's 6PM in the USA as well.
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Face Lifter
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Posted - 2006.07.22 16:10:00 -
[84]
ah, can we like get 5 minutes of up time to change skills? then you can continue fixing the server
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Callisto Augustus
Astrogeology Institute
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Posted - 2006.07.22 16:12:00 -
[85]
Edited by: Callisto Augustus on 22/07/2006 16:13:47
Originally by: M Langwaa
Originally by: M Langwaa
been mining all morning, start to haul, cant loot cans, server reboots, I frantically try and loot my cans as rats attack me, server reboot count down says 2minutes and some odd seconds until reboot and bamm server reboots, anyone with any experience with this know whats gonna happen to my hauler and mine ore cans?
Anyone give me a heads uup on this???
Unfortunately, your cans will most likely be gone when the server returns.
AGIN is recruiting!
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Lemoning Lemming
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Posted - 2006.07.22 16:15:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Price Watcher
Originally by: Exioce
Edited by: Exioce on 22/07/2006 16:04:26
it's times like this that makes the decision not to have skill queuing the decision of a dribbling retard. announced outages you can plan for. random server crap, you can't.
Quoted For Truth!
One lousey little skill in que. Is that so much to ask?
Agree 100% it would reduce the downside of appalling issues like this.
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Deja Thoris
Contraband Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.07.22 16:16:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Sentinel Eeex
Originally by: Ewnton Haute
Originally by: Sentinel Eeex
I've scheduled 2 hours for EVE, twice this week (besides the 'when I get time to play it' time), and both times were downtimes. Escrow exploit thingie, and now this.
Could you, please, make your server crash in US afternoon timezone for a change?
Thank you :(
Take a look at your timezone map buddy - West Coast USA it is 9am, East Coast USA it is 12pm.
And how is it "afternoon"? It's 6PM here, don't tell me it's 6PM in the USA as well.
12pm is afternoon on planet earth
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Grover Uzumaki
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Posted - 2006.07.22 16:17:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Broggo Yimmix
Oh no... I'm gonna have to take my milky skin into the sun now. eeee***kk.
With temperatures ranging from 100 to 115 outside I think I'll sit inside and wait for the server to reset.
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Weeman Lemming
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Posted - 2006.07.22 16:17:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Lemoning Lemming
Originally by: Price Watcher
Originally by: Exioce
Edited by: Exioce on 22/07/2006 16:04:26
it's times like this that makes the decision not to have skill queuing the decision of a dribbling retard. announced outages you can plan for. random server crap, you can't.
Quoted For Truth!
One lousey little skill in que. Is that so much to ask?
Agree 100% it would reduce the downside of appalling issues like this.
Mos def... and it's not like we aren't paying for the game even if we do not log in for a month.
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Iyanah
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.22 16:18:00 -
[90]
don't want to sound pushy, but is there any info on an updated estimate for the server comming back online. i'm curious to see what eve-tv is like :D
thanks
Iy
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Preeeeemo
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.22 16:42:00 -
[91]
downtime is fat when your skill just finished.
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Exioce
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.22 16:42:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Tristus
Edited by: Tristus on 22/07/2006 16:19:44
Quoting from someone... <it's times like this that makes the decision not to have skill queuing the decision of a dribbling retard. announced outages you can plan for. random server crap, you can't.>
Sorry guy, apparently you are ignorant about how eve work... This is NOT A SERVER, but a CLUSTER !
this means alot of servers working as one unit.
if you want a server, go play wow, you'll understand what "queuing" means :p
Honestly, i'm impressed by CCR work. Now ok, we all want to play, that's a fact. But please be a little more patient, we'll have an ok cluster soon.
When i see: 24K+ players playing on the same "server", i'm really impressed. I think those who have a little computing culture will understand.
Cya ingame and be patient!
you are apparently too ignorant to understand that a skill queue has nothing to do with whether eve runs on a server, a cluster, or via hamster in running wheel.
a skill queue means that you can queue skills, so when one finishes another automatically starts. now that wasn't so hard to understand now, was it?
you might have a little computing culture, but you lack everything else.
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Yukami Kido
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Posted - 2006.07.22 16:43:00 -
[93]
ahhh at least the problems been found now.
server back by 17:30 gmt apparently then we can finally leave this real life junk behind for the world we know and love
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Yolan
Stupid People Always Need Killing
E N I G M A
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Posted - 2006.07.22 16:43:00 -
[94]
The server is still down, CCP this cannot be tolerated any longer and I demand that you give the following compensation to each player.
1 months free play time
A faction fitted carrier
Sacrifice 20 slightly damp monkeys to the god of server regeneration
This must be done immediately or I will be forced to watch TV with my wife and she is watching Hollyoaks!!!!
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Schani Kratnorr
Viziam
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Posted - 2006.07.22 16:43:00 -
[95]
/me comes back from shower... Still no EVE?
I can also see that two intellectually challenged computer-game virgins, have failed to read my sig *sigh*
Anyway. What do you say CCP? how about some old school compensation? how about sticking up for your product, and give the paying customers a day or two as compensation for the weekend outage?
Uhhh, and, anyone not CCP, please read my sig and try to understand it before wasting your time typing something that ultimately reveals how little brain power you have compared to me.
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Lemoning Lemming
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Posted - 2006.07.22 16:44:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Lorn'Alt
the new message sais it will be up by 17:30, can anyone tell me how that time relates to eastern standard time. Appreciate it thanks.
Personally I'd like to know how it relates to reality first.
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Vikram Bedi
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Posted - 2006.07.22 16:49:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Iyanah
don't want to sound pushy, but is there any info on an updated estimate for the server comming back online. i'm curious to see what eve-tv is like :D
thanks
Iy
70 seconds....
In an attempt to help lighten the server load, I won't be trying to log in until after 75 seconds.
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Dargnon Nazgarial
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Posted - 2006.07.22 16:51:00 -
[98]
Thats very wise indeed.
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Yukami Kido
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Posted - 2006.07.22 16:51:00 -
[99]
son of a ***** full proxy again.
really got my hopes up that countdown.
damn it oh well im sure theyre doing thier best.
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Naxor
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Posted - 2006.07.22 16:51:00 -
[100]
Folks lets stop bashing the devs / sysadmins. I'm sure they're hard at work fixing this. I'm further willing to bet that a few of them got paged to come into the office on a nice sunny weekend afternoon.
Sorry to read in this thread that they use MS servers, but perhaps at some point they'll consider migrating now that Linux has some more robust database technology. In either case, it's par for the course guys. Ok, stepping off my soapbox now. ;-)
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Jason Marshall
Hammer Of Light
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Posted - 2006.07.22 16:51:00 -
[101]
i had a startup timer....but now its back to proxy 0  STOP LEADING ME ON CCP
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Jedek
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Posted - 2006.07.22 16:52:00 -
[102]
Correct me if im wrong Eastern is GMT -5 hours (according to my clock) but in eve its GMT - 4
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Kommander Kool
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.22 16:53:00 -
[103]
*BANG* Server ... says... that is OK, gonna connect now.
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nahtoh
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.22 16:53:00 -
[104]
logging in now
Lets see how it works...I'm in
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Posted - 2006.07.22 16:54:00 -
[105]
it's up!
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Shiboline M'Ress
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Posted - 2006.07.22 16:54:00 -
[106]
ok, so is the cluster back online or not... the only thing I get is ''Full Proxy (0)'' which I have no idea what it ...
Haveing returned to the EVEverse just a few days ago..... I WANT IT BAAAAAAAAAAACK 
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Barbicane
The Gun Club
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Posted - 2006.07.22 16:54:00 -
[107]
Heh, I'm in! |
Yukami Kido
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Posted - 2006.07.22 16:56:00 -
[108]
WOO HOO games back now taking bets on the number of reinburment petitions flooding ccp.
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Niding
Polaris Project
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Posted - 2006.07.22 16:57:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Yolan
The server is still down, CCP this cannot be tolerated any longer and I demand that you give the following compensation to each player.
1 months free play time
A faction fitted carrier
Sacrifice 20 slightly damp monkeys to the god of server regeneration
This must be done immediately or I will be forced to watch TV with my wife and she is watching Hollyoaks!!!!
Quality post!
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DrAtomic
Polytope
Ghosts of Retribution
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Posted - 2006.07.22 16:58:00 -
[110]
Originally by: J Frost
Originally by: probablecause
Am I the only UNIX "fanboi" that's disappointed that CCP uses Windows servers? Although I admit I've never scaled PostgreSQL up to the level of performance that CCP must need... Last time I worked with SQL Server was in 1999 on NT4 and it was a joke. IIS3 on over 500 machines, at any given time 3-5 machines were bluescreened.
And yes, I do run Windows on my desktop to play EvE. Although I'd sure love to have a OSX compatible version of the client. :)
No, u r not. In fact, u should know that CCP is a slave of M$ from ASP they use.
I'm wondering why the CCP team won't take the experience while they've encoutered this problem before. Don't they use standard SQL grammar?
If M$ doesn't work, then they should not use it. Go PostgreSQL or even MySQL can handle 20k ppl online + 1k/s queries.
M$ just sucks. I'm personally with the side of GNU. ^^
Lol sure. That is the problem with you *Nix fanbois you are not basing your choice of OS for a best one fits scenario but only on heh i like this so it must be good.
Sometimes *nix is the best choice sometimes Windows is the best choice. You donot know what criteria they had when selecting their platform. If you donot choose Windows for certain solutions over *nix then you cannot even talk. And if you are such a *nix fanboi go play DAOC which has its entire serverfarm running on *nix.
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Chi Prime
Millennium
E.R.A
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Posted - 2006.07.22 17:03:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Drusus Avantar
Originally by: Lorn'Alt
the new message sais it will be up by 17:30, can anyone tell me how that time relates to eastern standard time. Appreciate it thanks.
As all the times CCP gives are ment to be in GMT you can go to www.time.org and check yourself ;)
Or Time Service Dept, US Naval Observatory if you're pedantic.
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Schani Kratnorr
Viziam
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Posted - 2006.07.22 17:04:00 -
[112]
I see a lot of wasteful lines of writing in this thread.
I see people coming up with what can be described as a "defence" of CCP - a misguided defence at best. CCP is a professional company, they do not need spotty nerds defending them (that's what their devs are for?)
Then there are the tech-enabled orks - people who rabble on and on about how EVE runs, what it runs on, and how it's designed, even though they have never, ever seen any of the code, or indeed visited CCP offices or the place where the hardware is placed.
This all boils down to the facts...
- EVE is unavailable
- The customers need to be informed
If you place a question like "how long? ETA please", you should expect an answer, you are after all paying for a service, and paying quite a lot in fact.
Any customer replying to a question directed at official CCP staff/vulonteers, should consider just how irellevant his opinions are.
Your misguided defence serves only to clutter the discussion, and direct attention away from the purpose - to inform customers and answer their questions as best as possible.
I repeat - hey CCP, how about one or two free days as compensation for the outages during this weekend?
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Valar
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Posted - 2006.07.22 17:10:00 -
[113]
The server is up now.
A little post mortem like I always do when something happens
I just returned from a two week vacation in the UK, visiting friends near London.
Before I left I made sure the database was in order and that it should stay that way till I came back.... and it did.
I came back to Iceland on thursday afternoon but was still technicly on vacation till monday. But the database server just couldn't wait. It just enjoys my company too much.
The server problems were because we ran out of free itemIDs. I'm not going to explain how our itemID system works, I've done so in the past, but for technical reasons and performance reasons the itemID column is of datatype int, not bigint, so the table is limited to max int number of items at any given time.
For some reason, the itemIDs ran out way before expected(based on past experience) and that caused the server to stop being able to produce new items. As soon as I had located the issue I started deleting items that are kept in "junkyards" and we now have enough free itemIDs for at least a couple of days, and I will spend the downtimes in the next few days deleting from more junkyards.
People might ask why we don't automate deleting from junkyards. The answer is simple. The transaction log file is on the RAMSAN, the RAMSAN is only 64gb and deleting from junkyards often fills it up. Moving the transaction log from the SSD is not an option because that would make this take too much time. We have plans to fix this however because this *is* a big problem and an administrative headache but of course it takes time.
I apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused and hope that I'll get to keep my head when EVE TV and the tournament teams get a hold of me.
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Valar
Database admin - Server operations team
CCP Games
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Trell Asaker
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.22 17:10:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Sentinel Eeex
It would be nice to actually create a sticky forum where people could post their 'happy messages', when EVE is working and they're having loads of fun :)
Actually... If you read the forums almost all messages excluding this forum are about a game that works. People are comparing experiences, changing ideas - having fun. =) |
Schani Kratnorr
Viziam
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Posted - 2006.07.22 17:14:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Valar
The server is up now.
A little post mortem like I always do when something happens
I just returned from a two week vacation in the UK, visiting friends near London.
Before I left I made sure the database was in order and that it should stay that way till I came back.... and it did.
I came back to Iceland on thursday afternoon but was still technicly on vacation till monday. But the database server just couldn't wait. It just enjoys my company too much.
The server problems were because we ran out of free itemIDs. I'm not going to explain how our itemID system works, I've done so in the past, but for technical reasons and performance reasons the itemID column is of datatype int, not bigint, so the table is limited to max int number of items at any given time.
For some reason, the itemIDs ran out way before expected(based on past experience) and that caused the server to stop being able to produce new items. As soon as I had located the issue I started deleting items that are kept in "junkyards" and we now have enough free itemIDs for at least a couple of days, and I will spend the downtimes in the next few days deleting from more junkyards.
People might ask why we don't automate deleting from junkyards. The answer is simple. The transaction log file is on the RAMSAN, the RAMSAN is only 64gb and deleting from junkyards often fills it up. Moving the transaction log from the SSD is not an option because that would make this take too much time. We have plans to fix this however because this *is* a big problem and an administrative headache but of course it takes time.
I apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused and hope that I'll get to keep my head when EVE TV and the tournament teams get a hold of me.
How about a day or two as compensation, like the old days?
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Nihn Lemai
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Posted - 2006.07.22 17:15:00 -
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Yey for official statements! Thanks Valar.
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Kerushi
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.22 17:17:00 -
[117]
just start the tournament and ur forgiven 
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J Frost
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Posted - 2006.07.22 17:17:00 -
[118]
Originally by: DrAtomic
Originally by: J Frost
Originally by: probablecause
Am I the only UNIX "fanboi" that's disappointed that CCP uses Windows servers? Although I admit I've never scaled PostgreSQL up to the level of performance that CCP must need... Last time I worked with SQL Server was in 1999 on NT4 and it was a joke. IIS3 on over 500 machines, at any given time 3-5 machines were bluescreened.
And yes, I do run Windows on my desktop to play EvE. Although I'd sure love to have a OSX compatible version of the client. :)
No, u r not. In fact, u should know that CCP is a slave of M$ from ASP they use.
I'm wondering why the CCP team won't take the experience while they've encoutered this problem before. Don't they use standard SQL grammar?
If M$ doesn't work, then they should not use it. Go PostgreSQL or even MySQL can handle 20k ppl online + 1k/s queries.
M$ just sucks. I'm personally with the side of GNU. ^^
Lol sure. That is the problem with you *Nix fanbois you are not basing your choice of OS for a best one fits scenario but only on heh i like this so it must be good.
Sometimes *nix is the best choice sometimes Windows is the best choice. You donot know what criteria they had when selecting their platform. If you donot choose Windows for certain solutions over *nix then you cannot even talk. And if you are such a *nix fanboi go play DAOC which has its entire serverfarm running on *nix.
One thing that i really would like to metion: making choices of what system and server softwares to use ACCORDING to the circumstances you've got, would be a BASIC thing that a programmer should consider. I am a *nix fanboi, but i did NOT say that PostgreSQL would work out the exactly same compare with M$ SQL.
Another thing i would really like to say, is, i can really give my UNDERSTANDING to the lovely dev team, but i don't feel sorry to be COMPLAINING. Simple reason: the cluster SHOULD work well, but it's broken. Fixing the cluster is WHAT THE DEV TEAM IS PAYED TO DO. I won't appreciate CCP for fixing the server, and don't even try to make me feeling guilty about complaining.
I do love EVE and CCP, but I don't like people to support CCP without thinking. Explaining won't make customers feel any better in any case, cuz what the customers are looking for is not some words from the service provider. Not to mention, i'm not asking for anything EXTRA, i'm just asking what i am DESERVED.
I applogize if my word hurts anybody, but i just don't want to listen to those explaining. Don't explain, do what u should do.
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Odaroff
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Posted - 2006.07.22 17:18:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Tristus
Sorry guy, apparently you are ignorant about how eve work... This is NOT A SERVER, but a CLUSTER !
And apparently you are ignorant of common MMO parlance, where the word server is used interchangeably with the word cluster.
Originally by: Tristus
Honestly, i'm impressed by CCR work. Now ok, we all want to play, that's a fact. But please be a little more patient, we'll have an ok cluster soon.
When i see: 24K+ players playing on the same "server", i'm really impressed. I think those who have a little computing culture will understand.
I was impressed by what CCP was doing years ago. I am no longer impressed. By now, there should be no need to take the server down every single day. A built-in 95.8333% uptime in a mission-critical system (and the EVE servers are by definition mission-critical for CCP, as their product and source of income is the game itself) is inexcusable, no matter what the technological hurdles.
Originally by: Kaylana Syi
you and everyone like you are pretty much idiots
Such an intelligent way to begin an argument. Are we supposed to take childish, opinionated insults as the foundation for an educated opinion?
Originally by: Kaylana Syi
It all comes down to profitability, ease of use, and development time. EVE's original cluster was made from IBM dual xeon clusters. This is left for 2 options, AIX and Windows Server 2000. Their was NO stable Linux Database Server at the time so the only 2 options for database server software was SQL Server 2000, DB2 and Oracle.
You obviously do not know the state of the database market, then or now, and on top of that don't know how to count to three. Again, are we supposed to give credibility to your arguments when they are about as solid as tapioca?
Originally by: Kaylana Syi
If you knew anything about DB2 and Oracle they aren't exacly speed deamons over TCP/IP and require more administration. So... to be a successful company they chose the mid size cluster ready server software that looked best to development time AND the money man (which was a Viacom company.)
So pardon me if I think that you simply just don't understand how to run a company and think you have no practical application of your geekdom.
And you do? Sorry, but your lack of credible arguments and reliance on childish insults relegate your entire post to file 13, as a waste of everyone's reading time.
Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Originally by: Deja Thoris
12pm is afternoon on planet earth
Wrong, twice over.
News for you, afternoon begins at precisely 12pm, or 12:00 military time. But even if you were right, what is the point of your post?
Originally by: Iorya Dragon
I want you to point me to the other mmorpgs that have 25000 players online, not 2000, not 4000, mkay?
Nobody gives a flying squirrel, people just want to play the game, and things like this are what relegate EVE to a fairly insignificant market share, because players get fed up and quit. At the very least, if they can't remove the daily downtime, they can allow us to queue up a skill to start training after the current one ends, or default to training the next level of the same skill.
Originally by: Imhotep Khem
Perhaps Python was not the best choice?
Do you have a better recommendation? Personally I hate all scripting languages, but compiled software doesn't lend itself as well to online, real-time systems (although there are arguments as to why it is better); however, Python is a popular, powerful scripting language easily adequate to this purpose, though no more or less capable than many others. In any case, making a statement like that without providing one shred of anything to back it up makes it completely valueless.
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Maximillian Pele
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Posted - 2006.07.22 17:31:00 -
[120]
I think we need to all send CCP some server Viagra - as they keep having performance issues and can't keep it up.
And for god's sake let's get rid of the tens of thousands of secured cans anchored in every conceivable location. It is obvious that many are not being used. When you warp into a remote asteroid belt with roids the size of planets, it is obvious that the 100+ cans surrounding it aren't being used.
Simply state that a can that is not used for x number of days breaks its anchor and is lost. Might free up space on the data base.
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J Frost
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Posted - 2006.07.22 17:37:00 -
[121]
Originally by: Kaylana Syi
Edited by: Kaylana Syi on 22/07/2006 17:27:41
Originally by: J Frost
Originally by: probablecause
Am I the only UNIX "fanboi" that's disappointed that CCP uses Windows servers? Although I admit I've never scaled PostgreSQL up to the level of performance that CCP must need... Last time I worked with SQL Server was in 1999 on NT4 and it was a joke. IIS3 on over 500 machines, at any given time 3-5 machines were bluescreened.
And yes, I do run Windows on my desktop to play EvE. Although I'd sure love to have a OSX compatible version of the client. :)
No, u r not. In fact, u should know that CCP is a slave of M$ from ASP they use.
I'm wondering why the CCP team won't take the experience while they've encoutered this problem before. Don't they use standard SQL grammar?
If M$ doesn't work, then they should not use it. Go PostgreSQL or even MySQL can handle 20k ppl online + 1k/s queries.
M$ just sucks. I'm personally with the side of GNU. ^^
When EVE was being developed PostgreSQL and MySQL were nowhere near stable enough, scalabler enough, Officially Supported enough by their makers ( which PostgreSQL still doesn't have, not options with their hardware package AND the big ringer in that they didn't have a featureset/toolset capable of administration any where near SQL Server.
I am hear all week if you want to get a clue.
Thank u for telling me that PostgreSQL is a open sourced and community contributed software which started developing since 15 years ago by . However, i don't think you've got my point, or i didn't make myself clear. My point is pretty simple: If one software does not work properly, then either fix it, or try another one more suitable.
OK, that's enough of technical argument. I'm outta here and back to TQ for some fun. Honestly, i do love EVE. That's it.
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Kaylana Syi
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.22 17:39:00 -
[122]
Originally by: Odaroff
10 buckets of rabble
Hmm...
Me... database administrator, developer and programmer.
You... some guy who says because I insulted someone insulting the devs credibility that I must be rubbish. Not to mention the fact that you have no credible rebuttle to what I said other than you think I was wrong. Let's see...
Out of the box Database Systems that were budgetary considerations :
Microsoft SQL Server
Oracle
IBM DB2
Let's see, IBM DB2 has pitiful TCP/IP performance which is FACT. Oracle requires extensive administration considerations, isn't as fast as MS SQL over TCP/IP, and weren't as stable on Microsoft Operating systems at the time compared to their Unix products.
Linux servers were no where being cluster ready in the document design goal I assume CCP had, which would involve maximum uptime, vendor support, kernel and programming toolkits that were being developed to obsolete the current products and, my favorite, the fact that PostgreSQL and Mysql were no where near stable, feature rich and scalable to have a MMOG such as EVE.
So... where is your point again? Oh... I made someone's epeen hurt. Does he sanna hug... maybe you should ask him since you wanna discredit anyone with factual arguments to his stupid post?
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Originally by: J Frost
Originally by: Kaylana Syi
Edited by: Kaylana Syi on 22/07/2006 17:27:41
Originally by: J Frost
Originally by: probablecause
Am I the only UNIX "fanboi" that's disappointed that CCP uses Windows servers? Although I admit I've never scaled PostgreSQL up to the level of performance that CCP must need... Last time I worked with SQL Server was in 1999 on NT4 and it was a joke. IIS3 on over 500 machines, at any given time 3-5 machines were bluescreened.
And yes, I do run Windows on my desktop to play EvE. Although I'd sure love to have a OSX compatible version of the client. :)
No, u r not. In fact, u should know that CCP is a slave of M$ from ASP they use.
I'm wondering why the CCP team won't take the experience while they've encoutered this problem before. Don't they use standard SQL grammar?
If M$ doesn't work, then they should not use it. Go PostgreSQL or even MySQL can handle 20k ppl online + 1k/s queries.
M$ just sucks. I'm personally with the side of GNU. ^^
When EVE was being developed PostgreSQL and MySQL were nowhere near stable enough, scalabler enough, Officially Supported enough by their makers ( which PostgreSQL still doesn't have, not options with their hardware package AND the big ringer in that they didn't have a featureset/toolset capable of administration any where near SQL Server.
I am hear all week if you want to get a clue.
Thank u for telling me that PostgreSQL is a open sourced and community contributed software which started developing since 15 years ago by . However, i don't think you've got my point, or i didn't make myself clear. My point is pretty simple: If one software does not work properly, then either fix it, or try another one more suitable.
OK, that's enough of technical argument. I'm outta here and back to TQ for some fun. Honestly, i do love EVE. That's it.
Official developer support is nice and dandy but you miss the whole point of VENDOR SUPPORT. You know... the things companies determine in their support model? Stackless python is one thing... the container for your entire game and customers is another. But you have fun thinking people pay Microsoft liscenses because they feel locked in and not that other more lucrative products just aren't conducive to the companies projected business model.
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Originally by: Schani Kratnorr
Uhhh, and, anyone not CCP, please read my sig and try to understand it before wasting your time typing something that ultimately reveals how little brain power you have compared to me.
Read your sig, as requested. Though if I may ask, why have you gone to such great lengths to shout about the sig to all, but not spell checked it?
Now who is the idiot?
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Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.22 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: Valar
As soon as I had located the issue I started deleting items that are kept in "junkyards" and we now have enough free itemIDs for at least a couple of days, and I will spend the downtimes in the next few days deleting from more junkyards.
What exactly does this mean? Are you deleting items from the game that the GM's will just have to go back and recreate when people find them missing? Is it just me or does that seem self defeating?
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Posted - 2006.07.22 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: Par'Gellen
Originally by: Valar
As soon as I had located the issue I started deleting items that are kept in "junkyards" and we now have enough free itemIDs for at least a couple of days, and I will spend the downtimes in the next few days deleting from more junkyards.
What exactly does this mean? Are you deleting items from the game that the GM's will just have to go back and recreate when people find them missing? Is it just me or does that seem self defeating?
I deleted from old junkyards, not current ones
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Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.22 18:52:00 -
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Originally by: Valar
I deleted from old junkyards, not current ones
Ok... I guess I don't know what you mean when you say "junkyard"... Can you explain?
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Posted - 2006.07.22 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Par'Gellen
Originally by: Valar
I deleted from old junkyards, not current ones
Ok... I guess I don't know what you mean when you say "junkyard"... Can you explain?
When items are destroyed they go to junkyard locations. There is a junkyard for every week, and we generally keep 2 weeks of non-singleton junkyards and 4-6 weeks of singleton junkyards. When GMs reimburse, they restore items from the junkyard locations to the player hangar instead of having to respawn everything thats lost.
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Posted - 2006.07.22 19:16:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Kaylana Syi
Originally by: Odaroff
10 buckets of rabble
Oracle requires extensive administration considerations, isn't as fast as MS SQL over TCP/IP, and weren't as stable on Microsoft Operating systems at the time compared to their Unix products.
It's horse for courses, a Data Layer on unix, running Oracle with middle and presentation on windows is fairly standard.
I do Oracle & SQL server, but I generally put the high transaction mission critical on Oracle/UNIX and the teir 2 services on MS.
I guess that's the nub, changing technology is a huge project, costs money and requires time.
A commodity based linux Oracle RAC would be a possibility. Also, although simpler to administer, using the same foundation OS throughout the technology stack isn't always the best way forward. Administring 10g2 with Grid and ASM is much easier now.
The cost is usually the problem, although Oracle pricing is much less of a black art now.
So I've got 20 p570s if you want to try it out :)
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Posted - 2006.07.22 20:00:00 -
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CCP are sort of locked intoa specific program once its been chosen i guess they work with what they have (the amount of reprogramming needed to upgrade or change) has already been staged to be quite a bit when i started this game was about 450MB of program now up to 550MB for kali (shes a growing and with it i guess database isssues as well)
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Posted - 2006.07.22 20:23:00 -
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Originally by: Kaylana Syi
Linux servers were no where being cluster ready in the document design goal I assume CCP had, which would involve maximum uptime, vendor support, kernel and programming toolkits that were being developed to obsolete the current products and, my favorite, the fact that PostgreSQL and Mysql were no where near stable, feature rich and scalable to have a MMOG such as EVE.
The choice of using window or linux as a platform for clusternodes is not much of a debate at all imo. Both from a technical and a financial perspective the choice is not that hard and usually pretty obvious.
Warning, rant...
The support card is wildly overrated btw. With most closed source software support you are trapped. No choices but the vendor to deal with. Open source levels the playing field for everyone in the support marketplace and will get you better support for your money then closed source support can ever offer you.
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Encina Technologies
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Valar - thanks for saving the day.
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Umbra Congregatio
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Thanks to Valar for your unfaltering dedication to the world we love: Eve-Online.
And to the rest of the team who managed to get everything back in order :)
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Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.22 22:55:00 -
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Edited by: The Slayer on 22/07/2006 22:55:59
Originally by: Amthrianius
A lock issue in the database was causing the inventory system to time out on most actions. We are trying to find the cause of the deadlock, and will start up again in a moment
This is a side effect of the upgrade to SQL Server 2005, either an issue in SQL Server 2005 or something in our code not working well with the new SQL server
From Valar last time this exact same thing happened about 2 months ago
Linky
I sincerely apologise for quoting someone from the first page, and I know this joke has probably been made, but for the briefest of moments I thought you were a dev posting with the wrong account, lol.
Also :
Quote:
When items are destroyed they go to junkyard locations. There is a junkyard for every week, and we generally keep 2 weeks of non-singleton junkyards and 4-6 weeks of singleton junkyards. When GMs reimburse, they restore items from the junkyard locations to the player hangar instead of having to respawn everything thats lost.
WTB bookmark to junkyard location.
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Nubs.
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Posted - 2006.07.22 23:13:00 -
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Quick question but why doesn't CCP credit accounts for time missed when this happens? Blizzard has been very good about giving 1 or 2 day extensions due to server outages.
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Octavian Vanguard
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Posted - 2006.07.23 00:52:00 -
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What is hilairious is all these nerds who've obviously set up mysql on debian once and now think themselves qualified to preach about multi-tiered distributed systems.
Please kids, I think only one or two of you have an adequate notion of the scale and frontier CCP are working at. In particular, any other RDBMS and server platform you could use would give you a similar level of problems and design restrictions. Be astounded & grateful Eve works at all, and with so few hiccoughs.
/sm
p.s. lol at the guy who thinks mysql could handle eve's DB requirements.
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Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.23 01:18:00 -
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Originally by: Waz Hawat
Quick question but why doesn't CCP credit accounts for time missed when this happens? Blizzard has been very good about giving 1 or 2 day extensions due to server outages.
Because of offline skill training.
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Originally by: Waz Hawat
Quick question but why doesn't CCP credit accounts for time missed when this happens? Blizzard has been very good about giving 1 or 2 day extensions due to server outages.
they have in the past, and do when it is deem necessary. it doubtful that they make these decision on the fly over weekend though. would imagine that the big 'wigs' (ie oveur's pink one and who know what heilmar wear!!!) sit down and discuss, then have some poor monkey run #s...
needless to say - there will probably be a meeting for all those guy about this on monday... poor sods...
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Posted - 2006.07.23 02:49:00 -
[139]
and whoever said mySQL - LOL, do you even know what a true relational database IS?
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Posted - 2006.07.23 02:54:00 -
[140]
Edited by: Captain Stephanie on 23/07/2006 02:54:30
Originally by: Sovy Kurosei
Originally by: Waz Hawat
Quick question but why doesn't CCP credit accounts for time missed when this happens? Blizzard has been very good about giving 1 or 2 day extensions due to server outages.
Because of offline skill training.
Poor excuse when your skill is completed during downtime and you can't logon to train a new one.
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Posted - 2006.07.23 03:51:00 -
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Originally by: Maximillian Pele
And for god's sake let's get rid of the tens of thousands of secured cans anchored in every conceivable location. It is obvious that many are not being used. When you warp into a remote asteroid belt with roids the size of planets, it is obvious that the 100+ cans surrounding it aren't being used.
Simply state that a can that is not used for x number of days breaks its anchor and is lost. Might free up space on the data base.
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Posted - 2006.07.23 06:11:00 -
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Originally by: Shiraz Merlot
What is hilarious is all these nerds who've obviously set up mysql on debian once and now think themselves qualified to preach about multi-tiered distributed systems.
Please kids, I think only one or two of you have an adequate notion of the scale and frontier CCP are working at. In particular, any other RDBMS and server platform you could use would give you a similar level of problems and design restrictions. Be astounded & grateful Eve works at all, and with so few hiccoughs.
/sm
p.s. lol at the guy who thinks mysql could handle eve's DB requirements.
Full acknowledged !
Imho CCP does a superbe job with eve. Most of the people here (including me) don't have the slightest idea from what kind of a system we're talking about.
But also I do not fully understand why they can't use bigInts for the itemID (Performance?!) and have to go the fussily way described by Valar a few threads above to solve their problems.
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Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.23 06:12:00 -
[143]
Originally by: Valar
When items are destroyed they go to junkyard locations. There is a junkyard for every week, and we generally keep 2 weeks of non-singleton junkyards and 4-6 weeks of singleton junkyards. When GMs reimburse, they restore items from the junkyard locations to the player hangar instead of having to respawn everything thats lost.
Save some 'itemID'?:
Fastest solution, but effecting way of playing immense
- remove ALL BMs... ;-)
Long Term (not so much affecting the game play)
- remove 'old' anchored secured cans (x month unused -> un-anchor/un-protected -> 1 month -> destroy; maybe depending on security level of system: high sec -> short intervals)
- auto-combine all stacks in all station if leaving the station (before add feature for escrow: split stacks)
Some more...
- new Hardware (larger RAMSAN-Disk) (http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=339168&page=3#89)
- 64 Bits for 'itemID'... with all side-effects
But you are in trouble...
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Archon Industries
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Posted - 2006.07.23 06:22:00 -
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Edited by: Bismarck vonDresden on 23/07/2006 06:23:05
You can argue as much as you want about which databases technology is better to use, CCP should have used etc etc...
The problem that caused this dive is due to the limitation of INT. ANY database using INT as the data definition would have function as designed - once the server ran out of integer values, there would have been problems.
Now, as anyone who has ever worked with absolutely immense databases (a few million records is still tiny) would know that changing types for these things isn't neccessarily as easy as an ALTER TABLE command :-)
So, lay off the technology choices and recognize the fault for what it actually is - a tiny little oversight that's come to bite CCP in the ass long before they expected it and that isn't easy to fix simply because of the mind blowing amount of data EVE serves YOU.
So take a chill pill and all hail CCP.
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Posted - 2006.07.23 06:39:00 -
[145]
I blame Bookmarks tbh... so many bookmarks!
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Miss Overlord
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Posted - 2006.07.23 08:05:00 -
[146]
mmm well looks ot be fixed now.
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Posted - 2006.07.23 12:51:00 -
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Originally by: Shiraz Merlot
What is hilairious is all these nerds who've obviously set up mysql on debian once and now think themselves qualified to preach about multi-tiered distributed systems.
Please kids, I think only one or two of you have an adequate notion of the scale and frontier CCP are working at. In particular, any other RDBMS and server platform you could use would give you a similar level of problems and design restrictions. Be astounded & grateful Eve works at all, and with so few hiccoughs.
/sm
p.s. lol at the guy who thinks mysql could handle eve's DB requirements.
Most of the new people that does it dont have a clue, i can
agree on that, but you think that works on people that have
been working with Debian for 10 years and have it as professional ?
For me you just became a Clown, a big one...
Regarding that running eve's db on mysql, is that something you have
tried - or its just rabble ?
Its quite simple, they run MS DB, to convert it takes time, money
and can be a real pain - nothing that the CCP want or the players
so there is a little chanse they ever will go from MS SQL to anything else. But running such on Mysql cluster with memory based tables.. would be nice )
This is not a contest what os is best etc, but i dont really
like when people say Linux is a kids OS, they just show much
they REALLY know... nothing.
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Slacker Industries
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2006.07.23 13:40:00 -
[148]
Originally by: Captain Stephanie
Edited by: Captain Stephanie on 23/07/2006 02:54:30
Originally by: Sovy Kurosei
Originally by: Waz Hawat
Quick question but why doesn't CCP credit accounts for time missed when this happens? Blizzard has been very good about giving 1 or 2 day extensions due to server outages.
Because of offline skill training.
Poor excuse when your skill is completed during downtime and you can't logon to train a new one.
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Posted - 2006.07.23 13:54:00 -
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Here I am back from vacation... I see the latest News article says TQ is up, but I can't connect. Is it down, or is my system still on vacation?
No emergency here... I have a learning skill training with over a week to go.
Thanks.
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Posted - 2006.07.23 15:11:00 -
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Edited by: TTIGER on 23/07/2006 15:12:57
I'm hoping this can be a step to stop junk loots from missions and rats.A lot of junks from missions and rats and if they dont destroyed/reprocessed will eat your item id pool quickly again.I have alot junk waiting for reprocessing beacause i have low refining skills ,i guess there are alot like me
Can't you add value of basic junks to rats bounty and need less item ids?Basicly remove not named loot except ammo from drops and add their value to rat bounty or mission.You can stop giving junk for mission bonuses too, 60-70 cargo scanners are or freighter cans not good bonus
With this junks you are creating unnecessary load to server simply some ppl collect some dont cans from missions.if they dont collect you store data for an hour or more if they are collected your id pool in danger
you can ask to community what can be removed but im sure noone wants a civilian shield booster from a lvl 3 mission
I tried to write what im thinking and english is not my native ,if there is something not clear excuesme
Originally by: Valar
The server is up now.
The server problems were because we ran out of free itemIDs. I'm not going to explain how our itemID system works, I've done so in the past, but for technical reasons and performance reasons the itemID column is of datatype int, not bigint, so the table is limited to max int number of items at any given time.
For some reason, the itemIDs ran out way before expected(based on past experience) and that caused the server to stop being able to produce new items.
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Edited by: Dr Slaughter on 23/07/2006 20:25:38
omg I actually forgot why I stopped reading eve-o. This thread just reminded me. 
mssql and ccp's architecture seem perfectly fit for purpose to me. They just need to brush up on some of the house keeping. Which Valar said they're planning on doing.
What I would really like to see is a joint CCP / MCS {microsoft consulting services for those who don't know} white paper detailing the deployment. At least, those interested, would then actually have some hard facts to talk about. Perhaps some of the posters in this thread could then take the arguments onto slashdot instead.
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Posted - 2006.07.24 00:38:00 -
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So when are people gonna get their stuff back that they bought off of market but never received the item in their hangar??
im missing a vagabond and muninn i bought and ive petitioned and still had no response
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Posted - 2006.07.24 00:53:00 -
[153]
Originally by: Maximillian Pele
I think we need to all send CCP some server Viagra - as they keep having performance issues and can't keep it up.
And for god's sake let's get rid of the tens of thousands of secured cans anchored in every conceivable location. It is obvious that many are not being used. When you warp into a remote asteroid belt with roids the size of planets, it is obvious that the 100+ cans surrounding it aren't being used.
Simply state that a can that is not used for x number of days breaks its anchor and is lost. Might free up space on the data base.
But then we lose out on corp logos such as
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Black Omega Security
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Posted - 2006.07.24 12:53:00 -
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After seeing valar on EVE TV... I think we know the REAL reason why the server went down.
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Posted - 2006.07.24 13:32:00 -
[155]
Originally by: Valar
The server problems were because we ran out of free itemIDs. I'm not going to explain how our itemID system works, I've done so in the past, but for technical reasons and performance reasons the itemID column is of datatype int, not bigint, so the table is limited to max int number of items at any given time.
So let me get this straight: you can keep track of max 4,294,967,296 items at a time, on a system with over 120,000 user accounts (and growing). That means if each user keeps 35,792 items in their hangars all over the galaxy, the server will implode.
Did I miss anything? Otherwise: how long till asset rationing? Tell me now so I can get an eraly start on liquidating my collection of every standard and named T1 item in the game.
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Vortex.
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Posted - 2006.07.24 17:17:00 -
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I doubt they need to keep track of every item continuously. Just the ones you recently accessed directly.
Those that were here will remember all the hoopla when the new database servers arrived. I think IBM manages more than just the hardware.
In any event, I do not recall the database failing yet. And this again is not a database failure just as I suggested in my post earlier. Its a CCP failure to manage their database. Perhaps items need to auto-empty from the junkyard when the level of items gets critical. Yea that is obvious and Im sure it will be done when CCP gets the time to implement it. Or while its not implemented I would have extected an error message detailing exactly the problem. How can you not do this for a manual situation? For now this reflects bad on CCP. Not necessarily bad on Eve.
I did not say Python was a bad choice. I said maybe Python was a bad choice. Thats for CCP to decide. Whats clear is CCP has a bad product development process. And I believe a loose language like Pyton needs a stronger process.
I first recognized this when I saw how the actual stats listed for a piece of equipment is just text and has nothing to do with what the game uses for calculations. They can never keep these two in synch. That was an insane design decision.
If CCP were public they would take routine beatings.
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Posted - 2006.07.25 05:00:00 -
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I am still rather new to EVE, and to MMO's for that matter. However, I do come from a development and system administration background. I do not know the reasons CCP decided to develop EVE on a MS Windows based system, but I trust they had some good ones.
I do know from developing on and administering both UNIX and Windows servers some of the problems and benefits of each. Basically, the Windows development environment especially in the graphics area is easier and has more potential than basic UNIX. Windows also has many other development tools readily available, not to mention the massive install base and numerous developers. However, I know from a mission critical aspect, you do not trust MS Windows. For any mission critical systems, UNIX is the preferred choice. Updates are able to be made to applications and other OS systems without taking down the entire system. Process control is much stronger. User administration is much more rich. And garbage collection in the form of memory leaks and variable overruns are able to be dealt with via the OS through the use of scripts.
A fact from my system admin days is that we would have to reboot the Windows servers at least once a week. We usually put a process on the system to reboot in the middle of the night when no-one was at the office. I see CCP is doing this as well. Luckily for me it is at the time I am in bed.
(T)Hank(s)
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Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.25 06:44:00 -
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Although Valar already mentioned there being some obscure technical reason for picking int instead of bigint for item ids, it leaves me wondering if someone at CCP pulled a Bill Gates in the early stages of EVE. ("640kb ought to be enough for anyone", remember?)
In some earlier thread, Valar explained that
Quote:
We can't change the itemID column to bigint because that would increase the size of the items table at least 3 times and all its indexes by at least two and we can't use negative numbers because of how the inventory system is implemented.
It would seem that CCP has put the negative numbers to some "alternative" use then, since it would ofcourse be a piece of cake to turn the bigint into an unsigned bigint. Still, that would only mean doubling the size of the itemid space and that's going to run out fast too.
Adding some sort of custom binary type would allow for specific tuning of the table sizes, but kills all functionality the server has on integers. No solution there.
So, the bottomline is we need to spend more dollars and euro's on EVE, so CCP can afford more high speed storage and can just flip the int itemid to a bigint and be done with it.
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Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.25 18:56:00 -
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I'm rather shocked at this big a snafu.
Has ringings of Y2K all over again.
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Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.26 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: The Slayer
WTB bookmark to junkyard location.
Check in Deltole :p
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Posted - 2006.07.28 06:34:00 -
[161]
Originally by: Traxman
Most of the new people that does it dont have a clue, i canagree on that, but you think that works on people that have been working with Debian for 10 years and have it as professional ?
For me you just became a Clown, a big one...
Regarding that running eve's db on mysql, is that something you have tried - or its just rabble ?
Okay, since you asked. I run - actually my operations team do the running, I'm the system architect now - over 200 Debian servers, with complex applications, serving seven-figure userbases, with over 12TB of storage of varying kinds, including mysql and Oracle databases. Hope that establishes my credentials for you.
And with all that experience, no - I don't think mysql would be up to the task. It's a toy database, and Linux is Unix lite. It's a good fit for certain applications, including mine. Tbh I think Eve could run on Linux - after all, it's basically a big Python app - but mysql? No.
If I was going to pick out the ideal database for Eve, I would direct you to Objectivity/DB.
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Posted - 2006.07.29 23:00:00 -
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I've got the same question after filing a petition a week ago. Is it going to take much longer for all requests stemming from this particular problem to be looked at ?
JP
Originally by: canned
So when are people gonna get their stuff back that they bought off of market but never received the item in their hangar??
im missing a vagabond and muninn i bought and ive petitioned and still had no response
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Posted - 2006.08.03 18:47:00 -
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hi there,
i'm just curious: are u still processing petitions from that crash? if so, how many petitions are still left?
thx in advance for that info
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Dr Slaughter
ISS Navy Task Force
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.08.12 11:56:00 -
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Originally by: Grismar
Although Valar already mentioned there being some obscure technical reason for picking int instead of bigint for item ids, it leaves me wondering if someone at CCP pulled a Bill Gates in the early stages of EVE. ("640kb ought to be enough for anyone", remember?)
In some earlier thread, Valar explained that
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We can't change the itemID column to bigint because that would increase the size of the items table at least 3 times and all its indexes by at least two and we can't use negative numbers because of how the inventory system is implemented.
It would seem that CCP has put the negative numbers to some "alternative" use then, since it would ofcourse be a piece of cake to turn the bigint into an unsigned bigint. Still, that would only mean doubling the size of the itemid space and that's going to run out fast too.
Adding some sort of custom binary type would allow for specific tuning of the table sizes, but kills all functionality the server has on integers. No solution there.
So, the bottomline is we need to spend more dollars and euro's on EVE, so CCP can afford more high speed storage and can just flip the int itemid to a bigint and be done with it.
Greetings.
They must be looking at how they're going to solve this on the China cluster. I can't help but think they're going to have to do a major re-write of various bits of the architecture to accomodate the issues of scale they're going to run into. $'s for hardware are only going to take it so far. Hopefully a re-write will make it prior to item rationing for us!
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