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Mazare Mircea
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Posted - 2006.07.23 23:48:00 -
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 Originally by: Sessho Seki
Or better still, there should be an ôIowa Class Cannonö, seeing as the Yamato class 18.1in (460mm) cannons while being the biggest caliber mounted to a battleship, are actually not the most powerful.
That honor, to this day, remains in the sole hands of the Iowa class (and South Dakota class) 16in cannons (406mm).
The reason being is that how big the shell is does not equal its power in any way. The benefit of the 16in cannons is that they fire a shell as heavy as the biggest the Yamato could, and the Iowa class even has shells that are heavier still than those of the Yamato. Beyond that, the Iowa class was not only capable of significantly further range (multiple miles) but also vastly superior accuracy by using ship-borne targeting calculators (very simple computers).
While the YamatoÆs cannons where themselves tremendously capable weapons, they were never the most powerful ship borne cannons, which is ironic considering so many automatically presume them so.
Although you are right, you are comparing the guns of a BS that ended it's carrier in '45 with the guns of a ship that participated in the 1st Gulf War - 1991. You think that 46 years of technological advances wouldn't have left a mark ?
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Sessho Seki
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Posted - 2006.07.24 01:17:00 -
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Originally by: Mazare Mircea
Although you are right, you are comparing the guns of a BS that ended it's carrier in '45 with the guns of a ship that participated in the 1st Gulf War - 1991. You think that 46 years of technological advances wouldn't have left a mark ?
No doubt, which is why in the cold war, there were unofficially developed KT Shells (Incorrectly called “Katies”) for the Iowa class cannons, which by design had a multiple Kilo-Ton (hence the KT) yield from a small nuclear warhead in the shell.
As for the ship(s) themselves, seeing as Japan’s industrial base was overburdened to even make the two Yamato class battleships (Yamato and Musashi), with the third hull being converted to a large carrier rather than being completed as a battleship, Japan was at the limit of their capacity to build and maintain battleships which is why the “Super-Yamato Class” never got past the phase of being a neat idea, where as the only reason the U.S. pulled back from continuing their own next generation of battleship (Montana Class) is because it was quickly realized that the days of the bigger battleship were simply over and the three greatest Axis battleships all were slain or crippled before being killed not by bigger guns but by air-power.
Certainly had the Yamato class not been completely outclassed in every meaningful way by the Iowa class, and by some miracle it hadn’t been destroyed of course and survived the war, it might have been upgraded (also assuming it wouldn’t be taken by the Allies during the occupation). But considering either the Iowa class or the possible Montana class would have been there every step of the way as its immediate counterpart, particularly having nuclear ordinance to fire at it, I’m plenty confident the Yamato would still be hopelessly disadvantaged.
When the enemy ship is faster, better armed, has longer range, is much more accurate, and worse still his weapons do more damage (quite possibly even nuclear), it’s not looking good for the crew of the Yamato.
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Nianfur
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Posted - 2006.07.24 04:20:00 -
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That may be so but I still think the Space Battleship Yamoto would pawn your ASS ;)
Oh and remember that it doubles as a small carrier. Mmm...
So you can have anything but I want the red monster of a ship.
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Sessho Seki
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Posted - 2006.07.24 05:54:00 -
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Originally by: Nianfur
That may be so but I still think the Space Battleship Yamoto would pawn your ASS ;)
Oh and remember that it doubles as a small carrier. Mmm...
So you can have anything but I want the red monster of a ship.
Until the Space Battleship Iowa, or better still Space Battleship Montana, arive 
Then the Yamato gets to be defeated again
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Alexison
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.24 09:02:00 -
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I want a Multi-Beam Frigate or a Super Acolyte.
Would pwn all support. 
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Crellion
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Posted - 2006.07.24 09:31:00 -
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Concept:
Skill reqs
Large (insert appropriate) Specialisation lvl5 BS lvl5 controlled bursts lvl5 surgical strike lvl5 Yamato gunner y lvl1
Yamato / playerbase wet dream gun
Fitting:
10000 grid
400 cpu
requires 6 high slots
rof: 60 secs (down to 45 secs with skills)
damage on structure (aims well): 15,000 hp wrecking 25,000 hp (with max skills)
activation cost: 4000 energy
Special ability of Tier 3 BSs
5% per lvl energy required to fire the Yamato gub and hi slot requirement of Yamato gun (so they can fit two and have enough ebergy to fire them both once)
USES:
Fleer alpha strike (with a lot of micromanagement form FC: " BS 1 fire, BS2 fire, BS3 fir hold your fire he is down, secondary target: BS 3 fire, BS 4 fire etc)
BS going after capital ships (yeah baby  )
Dominix fires one on your ass and then lets the drones loose
IMO it could be balanced
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Jindo Minian
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.24 09:45:00 -
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Yes...
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Wild Rho
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.24 09:54:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Foulis
And, as usual, minmatar will be the critters. Poke them enough and they explode.
Much like minmatar ships then
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ChalSto
The Scope
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Posted - 2006.07.24 10:18:00 -
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Originally by: Shreven Bulks
Wave Motion Gun For the win! Knew I wasn't the only one thinking it. EvE is sorely lacking one. :) It could be a T2 anti-capship weapon that is heavily dependant on sig radius. Vs. cap ships they would be the prefered weapon, but could potentially one-shot a T1 BS if the blast was properly aimed (e.g. lots of target painting), but utterly useless vs. anything smaller. To balance, perhaps grant the victim ship a temporary reduction in effective sig radius, and target loss (ECM Burst)for the attackers due to...er...the massive interferce from the blast. Lower DPS vs. BS-sized targets than a standard gank setup, but the ultimate alpha-strike?
Would be nice to see what the devs would come up with...I imagine each race would have it's own flavor of super gun. Caldari would be easy: A super-charged, high-speed Citadel Torp. :D Maybe a shot-gun-like effect from a multi-barrel howizter that uses a hundred Fusion L. per volley?
I want to see the caldari-whinage, if ccp introduce something like that. "OMG.....everyone warps of from our doom-missile!!!ONEONE BOOOST!!!!" 
oh......and dominix would be the IWIN-Button..........Yamato-gun, webber, scrambler, mwd, capbooster, multispec, heavy-tank, drones  .
Me? I¦m just another guy in Local......but better u pay attention..... |
Khatred
Lacuna Viators
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Posted - 2006.07.24 11:30:00 -
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To polish the ideea a bit (not that is likely to see it in game but meh).
Basicaly it's the same thing as in Starcraft. A big cannon that takes a while to load until it fires and has a cooldown (cap recharging here). Damage wise? Like 6 x 1400mm all wrecking hits. Time until it fires? Like 10-15 seconds so that basicaly everything that can be one shooted can warp if they spot the gun loading.
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hellwarrior
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.24 11:39:00 -
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What about tracking? just sounds like a smartbomb that charges up?
also to the person who posted 15k aims well 25km wrecking.
aims well is calculated from the dmg, also unless it was a turret gun, which it appears not to be, it would not have different levels of damage.
also, if its a large gun spec V, that means t2 dmg mods and or missile dmg mods would effect it enlarging the wrecking...
its a cute thought.
its absolutely stupid to implement, sorry khatred, even with your isk, you can't have everything.
btw first place it would be used? JITA.
hilarious to say the least.
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Ixian001a
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.24 12:45:00 -
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It should need a full (95%) cap to fire, and then really gimp the recharge rate of the cap, because energy is needed for it to cool down.
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Boonaki
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.24 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: Rafein
I just want my frigs with a Suicide module. Does like double the HP of the ship in damage to all ships in the area.
A Jihadarifter?
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Breaky Uzumaki
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Posted - 2006.07.24 15:32:00 -
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Sounds great but you'd only be able to build one at a POS with a science facility and the physics addon...
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Syr'ia
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Posted - 2006.08.06 13:11:00 -
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Decent:Freespace was such a bad game :( I dunno why it's such a cult favorite even after all this time
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Mr Peanut
The New Empire
R i s e
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Posted - 2006.08.06 14:05:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Boonaki
Originally by: Rafein
I just want my frigs with a Suicide module. Does like double the HP of the ship in damage to all ships in the area.
A Jihadarifter?
How about a smartbomb module that was so powerful that it would destroy the ship that used it? It still wouldn't be powerful enough to kill a ship in one hit, though, and sig radius would play a factor in its damage.
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Scott McClellan
Forum Posters Anonymous
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Posted - 2006.08.06 15:24:00 -
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Edited by: Scott McClellan on 06/08/2006 15:25:02
I never played starcraft so the only Yamato I know of is the IJN battleship 
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Cetshwayo
Fortunis Novum
Black Flag Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.06 16:06:00 -
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There used to be a Smartbomb-esque suicide module listed on the market but not seeded obviously. It was called Hellraiser? Hellfire? Hellsomething.
It did like -6k structure damage on using ship but something like 3k or 4k damage to the surrounding targets. Not quite enough to kill a BS or even a BC...but put a couple on a few frigs and go to town!
Shame they were never seeded although I can see reasons why.
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Vilhelm Heckenberg
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Posted - 2006.08.06 23:53:00 -
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I dunno, I kinda think the first poster was talking about the old 1970s anime "Starblazers"; which featured a rebuilt Yamato with a mother-huge spinal cannon (think the super turbo-laser on the Death Star)
OTOH, he could also be a naval history buff as well.
Originally by: Sessho Seki
Or better still, there should be an ôIowa Class Cannonö, seeing as the Yamato class 18.1in (460mm) cannons while being the biggest caliber mounted to a battleship, are actually not the most powerful.
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john musacha
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Posted - 2006.08.07 02:16:00 -
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Originally by: Altrex Stoppel
Now that would be a badass gang module...cloak yourself and all targetted gang mates within 10km...would make a hell of a surprise to see a whole fleet uncloak...
There is something like that already in the game. Everyone logs out by a gate and waits for the call to login and start ganking.
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Maya Rkell
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2006.08.07 02:53:00 -
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Originally by: Khatred
How's that for one of the possible T2 battleships (if ever)?
That's "Wave Motion Cannon", Infidel!
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Bluestealth
Minmatar
Alcatraz Inc.
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2006.08.07 03:57:00 -
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What about Sajuuk?... its just slightly overpowered, can take down frigs and cruisers like flys, jump anywhere in a system, take down any capital ships 1 vs 1, however it cant tank multiple BS/Capitals for long... :) I forgot to mention that it can jump out and back in on a whim too... giving it time to regenerate.
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Sli'co Scoser
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2006.08.07 05:07:00 -
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Originally by: Cetshwayo
There used to be a Smartbomb-esque suicide module listed on the market but not seeded obviously. It was called Hellraiser? Hellfire? Hellsomething.
It did like -6k structure damage on using ship but something like 3k or 4k damage to the surrounding targets. Not quite enough to kill a BS or even a BC...but put a couple on a few frigs and go to town!
Shame they were never seeded although I can see reasons why.
Goonswarm everywhere are salivating at the prospect of suicide frigates.
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Sessho Seki
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Posted - 2006.08.07 09:13:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Sli'co Scoser
Originally by: Cetshwayo
There used to be a Smartbomb-esque suicide module listed on the market but not seeded obviously. It was called Hellraiser? Hellfire? Hellsomething.
It did like -6k structure damage on using ship but something like 3k or 4k damage to the surrounding targets. Not quite enough to kill a BS or even a BC...but put a couple on a few frigs and go to town!
Shame they were never seeded although I can see reasons why.
Goonswarm everywhere are salivating at the prospect of suicide frigates.
they are called Kestrels, but only the most uber-1337 can train up to Caldari Frigate lv3 and hang out in 1.0 space to jump a badger carrying its precious veldspar to market
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Auron Shadowbane
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Posted - 2006.08.07 20:30:00 -
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now you guys know, what CCP's designers dreamed of while makeing the concept arts and modell for the typhoon.
implement it but make it only fit in special bs (like the typhoon and one new bs for every other race!).
doing this you can make those ships mentioned another ship class (t2 battleships). something like "Lancer Battleships" and allow them to use a convops cloaking device for perfect ganking.
thanks :P
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Steppa
Gallente
Sturmgrenadier Inc
R i s e
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Posted - 2006.08.07 20:34:00 -
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I dont understand what would be so hard to balance about it. It would be a spinal mount, meaning the whole ship would have to align on the target and stay aligned...meaning smaller ships could not be hit unless they were nearly stationary. It would be unbelievably damaging and have a clock like the titan, but not require the 80 billion investment. It would be in the dreadnaught class, but not able to siege.
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